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Space Tycoon
04-10-2007, 11:25 PM
I am like this close to becoming a Catholic. If John Paul II could help deflate the Soviet Empire, perhaps Benedict will be instrumental in bringing down the neocons...

Text of Pope Benedict's Easter Speech (http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2007/04/08/ap3592209.html)

How many wounds, how much suffering there is in the world! Natural calamities and human tragedies that cause innumerable victims and enormous material destruction are not lacking. My thoughts go to recent events in Madagascar, in the Solomon Islands, in Latin America and in other regions of the world. I am thinking of the scourge of hunger, of incurable diseases, of terrorism and kidnapping of people, of the thousand faces of violence, which some people attempt to justify in the name of religion, of contempt for life, of the violation of human rights and the exploitation of persons. I look with apprehension at the conditions prevailing in several regions of Africa. In Darfur and in the neighboring countries there is a catastrophic, and sadly to say underestimated, humanitarian situation. In Kinshasa in the Democratic Republic of the Congo the violence and looting of the past weeks raises fears for the future of the Congolese democratic process and the reconstruction of the country. In Somalia the renewed fighting has driven away the prospect of peace and worsened a regional crisis, especially with regard to the displacement of populations and the traffic of arms. Zimbabwe is in the grip of a grievous crisis and for this reason the Bishops of that country in a recent document indicated prayer and a shared commitment for the common good as the only way forward.

Likewise the population of East Timor stands in need of reconciliation and peace as it prepares to hold important elections. Elsewhere, too, peace is sorely needed: in Sri Lanka only a negotiated solution can put an end to the conflict that causes so much bloodshed; Afghanistan is marked by growing unrest and instability; in the Middle East, besides some signs of hope in the dialogue between Israel and the Palestinian authority, nothing positive comes from Iraq, torn apart by continual slaughter as the civil population flees. In Lebanon the paralysis of the country's political institutions threatens the role that the country is called to play in the Middle East and puts its future seriously in jeopardy. Finally, I cannot forget the difficulties faced daily by the Christian communities and the exodus of Christians from that blessed Land which is the cradle of our faith.... (continued)


Plus a little commentary (http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=10799)from Justin Raimondo:

There is more than a little irony in the evolution of Benedict XVI, widely reviled in the liberal media for all the usual "tolerant" reasons, into the de facto spiritual leader of a global antiwar movement. Surely this baffles the type of trendy, airheaded Left Coast liberal who pores over the Huffington Post and sees the Catholic Church and all its works as somewhere between Halliburton and the Carlyle Group in the hierarchy of bad guys. After all, how could someone who opposes abortion, not to mention the ordination of woman priests, possibly be anything other than malevolent? It's odd that this crowd, which has pretensions to "spirituality," would be so disdainful of religion per se, yet their dogmatic anticlericalism displays an ignorance of history as well as a woeful inattention to recent events. The Catholic Church hierarchy has stood like a rock against the war hysteria that has been sweeping over the West since 9/11. Pope John Paul II opposed the invasion of Iraq and explicitly denounced the Novakian schismatic heresy that revises or denies Catholic just-war theory and would turn the Church into an instrument of Washington's "benevolent global hegemony."

In the heartless, pagan world of the would-be empire-builders who have seized control of the American government and made it the center of evil in the world, power is measured in purely politico-military terms. By these standards, the Pope is utterly powerless, and his pronouncements have no more effect than a nonbinding congressional resolution, perhaps less. (continued)





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DarkJedi
04-10-2007, 11:29 PM
My older sister was just baptized and confirmed on Easter Sunday after a year of classes and studies.

A year ago, my mother went through the same thing and I guess she was the one who convinced my sister to do it.

My mothers side has been Baptist for two generations but my mother never caught onto it and my father was the same. We never went to church but of recent years, mom turned into a catholic. She doesn't judge me for not doing the church thing, she's still cool old mom though.

Space Tycoon
04-10-2007, 11:49 PM
Really. Well when I say this close, I mean that deep down I am too much of a skeptic to ever fully commit to a religion. For awhile I briefly flirted with the idea of converting to Islam.

But again, the skepticism. Which is why, for the moment at least, I go by the term "agnostic."

However, I do like the moral teaching of the Catholic Church, as well as their ethical slant on political issues.







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kah
04-11-2007, 05:52 AM
Yeah, the moral teachings are nice, but the hypocrisy of the teachers tends to get to you after a while.

Bark
04-11-2007, 06:23 AM
I can't wake up early on Sunday. It never takes.

Space Tycoon
04-11-2007, 06:23 AM
Yeah, the moral teachings are nice, but the hypocrisy of the teachers tends to get to you after a while.

Hypocrisy is always rotten, but I'm yet to see it from this Pope.






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kah
04-11-2007, 06:27 AM
This pope may not be a hypocrite, but his moral teachings are pretty archaic, even for Catholics.

Space Tycoon
04-11-2007, 06:32 AM
There's no reason an organized religion has to follow the trends and popular causes of the day. If one does not agree, one should stay out of it, as I have chosen to.

For my part I consider Pope Benedict to be a great ally in the opposition to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. He is a great intellectual, commands hundreds of millions of followers and has used his position to speak truth to power.

I see him as Christianity's version of the Dalai Lama.






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kah
04-11-2007, 06:37 AM
I think that's a stretch.

rappites
04-11-2007, 06:50 AM
When I heard that he was going back to the old day rules and told the "people" no more condoms.

My first thought was . . .rise in AIDS and population.


I do not get it.

Space Tycoon
04-11-2007, 07:11 AM
I think that's a stretch.

Well, you can think whatever you want, but I would defy you to find me a Christian leader with more prominence who has taken stronger stances for justice and peace.







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kah
04-11-2007, 07:22 AM
I just think comparing Benedict and the Dalai Lama is going too far. Benedict is an ok kind of guy, but the DL is an enlightened leader.

Meh. What do I care? I think organized religions are nothing but overgrown cults anyway.

rappites
04-11-2007, 07:30 AM
Meh. What do I care? I think organized religions are nothing but overgrown cults anyway.

I second that one.

Space Tycoon
04-11-2007, 07:36 AM
I think organized religions are nothing but overgrown cults anyway.

Kinda like messageboards. :anismirk:






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rappites
04-11-2007, 07:49 AM
Yes, I pray to the message boards.

neglet
04-11-2007, 09:45 AM
I can't wake up early on Sunday. It never takes.

Then, Bark, you can join me as a fellow worshipper in the church of St. Mattress. We celebrate the Sabbath by prostrating ourselves on our mattress, all morning if need be.:D

kah
04-11-2007, 10:30 AM
Is coffee supplied while prostrating at your church?

neglet
04-11-2007, 11:05 AM
Not during services, but after, sure.

kah
04-11-2007, 11:09 AM
I'd need an iv drip to join your church. If that's not offered, then I think I'll pass.

Bark
04-11-2007, 11:35 AM
Then, Bark, you can join me as a fellow worshipper in the church of St. Mattress. We celebrate the Sabbath by prostrating ourselves on our mattress, all morning if need be.:D

Inviting me to your bed? I accept! :D

neglet
04-11-2007, 11:44 AM
Inviting me to your bed? I accept! :D

That's only because I know you're really a giant cat.

But the Pope isn't. The true pope is a bunny, I saw it on "South Park." There! We're back on topic!

rappites
04-11-2007, 12:32 PM
Does he purr?

Al-Dog
04-11-2007, 01:13 PM
Depends on where you stroke him.

rappites
04-11-2007, 02:00 PM
Tee Hee. . .you said stroke.

Space Tycoon
04-11-2007, 02:43 PM
Well, I'm sure glad I started this thread.... :rolleyes:







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Al-Dog
04-11-2007, 02:47 PM
It sure went down hill fast.


OK back on track.
I just think comparing Benedict and the Dalai Lama is going too far. Benedict is an ok kind of guy, but the DL is an enlightened leader.

Meh. What do I care? I think organized religions are nothing but overgrown cults anyway.Why is the Dalai Lama an enlightened leader and the Pope only an ok guy?

Space Tycoon
04-11-2007, 03:04 PM
I was gonna ask that myself.... :headscratch:







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rappites
04-11-2007, 03:57 PM
Well, I'm sure glad I started this thread.... :rolleyes:







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They usually do. Spring is upon us. Time for us to get our freak on.



I personally think the pope has more power than the other guy. A lot more people listen to him and follow what he is saying. :eek:

Al-Dog
04-11-2007, 04:50 PM
I was gonna ask that myself.... :headscratch:







.Do you think the Dali Lama is considered more enlightened because he has cooler clothes?

Space Tycoon
04-11-2007, 05:05 PM
It's the shades, no doubt. :anismirk:







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neglet
04-12-2007, 06:26 AM
Do you think the Dali Lama is considered more enlightened because he has cooler clothes?

I dunno, the Pope rocks that red hat and shoes pretty hard.

kah
04-12-2007, 06:43 AM
I just don't really hold a lot of reverance for the papal office. John Paul was a great man, but Benedict isn't anything yet. Being pope doesn't make him anything more than a man with a funny hat, assloads of money, and the power to tell a billion people what he thinks is right or wrong. He is still just a man who was elected into office, and only time will show what he does with that power.

I think the DL transcends that, and becomes more than a man. If you believe in reincarnation, then the DL is the DL, reincarnated for hundreds of years, working his way towards enlightenment. Besides all that, his main tenets (http://www.dalailama.com/page.2.htm) are pretty great.

Scotia
04-12-2007, 07:40 AM
I don't see the distinction you're tring to make here. Both men seem principled and devoted and any comparison looks apt to me. Really, I wonder why the DL is so highly regarded since he was born into his postion, unlike Benedict, who spent years doing whatever it is future popes do (become a grunt priest, put in long days, read a lot?).

It just seems unfair that the DL gets a pass for "doing God's work" yet the pope has to prove himself, despite having already spent a lifetime within the catholic church.

Bark
04-12-2007, 09:19 AM
I just don't really hold a lot of reverance for the papal office. John Paul was a great man, but Benedict isn't anything yet. Being pope doesn't make him anything more than a man with a funny hat, assloads of money, and the power to tell a billion people what he thinks is right or wrong. He is still just a man who was elected into office, and only time will show what he does with that power.

I think the DL transcends that, and becomes more than a man. If you believe in reincarnation, then the DL is the DL, reincarnated for hundreds of years, working his way towards enlightenment. Besides all that, his main tenets (http://www.dalailama.com/page.2.htm) are pretty great.

If that's the case, why should we listen to the DL? If he can't get his act together over all these lifetimes, then he's a slacker. No McFly has ever amounted to anything in the history of Hill Valley! Oops. Sorry about that. I drifted.

Also, the DL stiffs caddies. Ask Carl. :D

kah
04-12-2007, 09:51 AM
I'm basically speaking for myself. I'm not being particularly objective in this case, and I apologize for that. My whole family is Catholic, but I (vehemently) oppose the religion. My grandma almost fainted when I told her I wasn't getting my son baptised. (That was the one time I was grateful she has alzheimer's. She hasn't asked since.)

omicron
04-12-2007, 10:08 AM
You know the best thing about Alzheimer's?


You can hide your easter eggs. :lol:

rappites
04-12-2007, 10:15 AM
:shakehead:

Space Tycoon
04-12-2007, 01:26 PM
I just don't really hold a lot of reverance for the papal office. John Paul was a great man, but Benedict isn't anything yet.... He is still just a man who was elected into office, and only time will show what he does with that power.

Well, okay, it sounds like you have some valid reasons for your views, beyond the usual knee-jerk anti-Catholicism.


I think the DL transcends that, and becomes more than a man. If you believe in reincarnation, then the DL is the DL, reincarnated for hundreds of years, working his way towards enlightenment. Besides all that, his main tenets (http://www.dalailama.com/page.2.htm) are pretty great.

Oh, I agree, which is why I hold him in high esteem as well.





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kah
04-12-2007, 08:00 PM
Good. Can we have the make-up sex now?

Space Tycoon
04-12-2007, 08:14 PM
Yes, but I really don't think we should use birth control. I know we discussed this, but the Church says it's a sin, so...... you know. :OhWell:







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kah
04-12-2007, 08:15 PM
Well, then I'm going straight to hell, because there will be no more fetuses gestating in my body.

Space Tycoon
04-12-2007, 08:39 PM
Well, whatever you do is fine. As long as my immortal soul is covered.

Hey, you want to hear a good one? What do they say to the new guy in Hell?

"Relax, it'll only feel like an eternity!" :lol: :lol:

That's gold, baby.






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kah
04-13-2007, 05:35 AM
So it's all about you, is it? I'm starting to think this might not be worth my time....

Bark
04-13-2007, 06:02 AM
:popcorn:

Space Tycoon
04-13-2007, 06:56 AM
So it's all about you, is it? I'm starting to think this might not be worth my time....

Oh no, you won't regret it. I'm all about reciprocity.


But sister, you need to get right with GOD.





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neglet
04-13-2007, 07:05 AM
Oh no, you won't regret it. I'm all about reciprocity.


But sister, you need to get right with GOD. .

You want to screw your sister? You ARE going to hell.:eek:

Natalie201
04-13-2007, 07:12 AM
I had a lot of respect for JP II.

I joked after JP's death that he was *my* pope. Regardless of the fact that I am not, nor have ever been, Catholic. I just really liked him.

This new pope, I don't know, he just reminds me of Palpatine. It's creepy.

rappites
04-13-2007, 07:17 AM
But sister, you need to get right with GOD.





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Why? Please help me understand why this is necessary.

Space Tycoon
04-13-2007, 05:47 PM
Perhaps this will help... (http://www.sarcasmsociety.com/)







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Space Tycoon
04-13-2007, 05:54 PM
You want to screw your sister? You ARE going to hell.:eek:

Uh, no.

I may be a Rennaissance Man, but that doesn't make me one of the Borgias.







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rappites
04-13-2007, 06:24 PM
Perhaps this will help... (http://www.sarcasmsociety.com/)







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That made me laugh. Thank you. I can never tell when you all are serious and when your are sarcastic.

But, I get it now.

Space Tycoon
04-13-2007, 06:27 PM
Telling Kah she needs to clean it up is like telling me to forget about aliens. :lol:







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kah
04-14-2007, 06:23 AM
Are you calling me a whore? :mad:















(I so have to send that site to my mom. :lol:)

Space Tycoon
04-14-2007, 03:10 PM
Are you calling me a whore? :mad:



I wouldn't waste any time on you if you were. :wink:



Oh wait.... sarcasm. Got it.







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kah
04-16-2007, 06:32 PM
I'd be disappointed if you didn't.