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chemikillgod
05-21-2007, 06:57 AM
HEROES RISE AND FALL IN THE SHOCKING SEASON FINALE WRITTEN BY EXECUTIVE PRODUCER/CREATOR TIM KRING AND DIRECTED BY EXECUTIVE PRODUCER ALLAN ARKUSH -- With Isaac's (Santiago Cabera) horrible predictions all unfolding before them, the everyday people with extraordinary abilities face moments of pain and peril in Kirby Plaza with unflinching heroism, as "Heroes" first volume comes to a close -- and the next surprisingly begins. Jack Coleman, Tawny Cypress, Noah Gray-Cabey, Greg Grunberg, Ali Larter, Masi Oka, Hayden Panettiere, Adrian Pasdar, Sendhil Ramamurthy, Leonard Roberts and Milo Ventimiglia also star. Clea DuVall, Lisa Lackey, James Kyson Lee, Missy Peregrym, Zachary Quinto, Richard Roundtree, George Takei and Adair Tishler guest-star.

I can't wait!

KingVoyeur
05-21-2007, 04:34 PM
25 min. and counting!

DarkJedi
05-21-2007, 06:08 PM
The writers certainly know how to piss off viewers.

All this buildup and ummmm.....two of the best characters supposedly die?

All this buildup and ummmm.....everyone leaves Sylar just lieing there without making for DAMN sure he's dead.

All this.....

Forget it.

I'm not sure which part pisses me off more...The whole Peter/Nathan killing each other (maybe) or the fact that all Sylar got was a sword in the belly and then everyone goes "Lalala, let's go home!".

lol I think Kring and Co. were smoking something when they put together the last 10 minutes of this season.

I'm going to watch it again later tonight. Right now, I'm just peeved.

Queen Mae
05-21-2007, 06:13 PM
Lame.

Glad Sylar is alive though - he's my tv-bad-boy-honey.

Otherwise - Lame.

Actually, the way Sylar "lived" was lame too.

Lame. Lame. And more Lame.

I'm still in love with the show, though. I'll be watching & buying the dvds as soon as they're available.

DarkJedi
05-21-2007, 06:18 PM
Seriously, with the amount of time and effort all these characters went through to hunt down Sylar.....throughout the season.

He gets a sword in the belly...he's laying there ....

Nobody CHECKS to see if he's really dead?!?!?

Nobody freaking decapitates his lying corpse?

No, they go "Lets go home!"

Wtf....WTF......What....The.....Fuck....

I'm still not sure what Kring and writers are thinking here.

KingVoyeur
05-21-2007, 06:28 PM
Maybe they should stop building episodes up. The ones they don't really push seem to go over the best. Remember how much they built up the "Save the cheerleader" episode and how much of a let down it was? They should just let episodes be and not over-hype them.

So the season finale ended up being kind of lame. Honestly though, who didn't see any of that coming (well, maybe not the Hiro going to Japan part, but all the rest)? I'll bet you that on the way up, Peter realized that he'd already absorbed Nathan's flying ability, so he took off in one direction while Nathan went the other way. And I'll be damned if saving the cheerleader didn't help save the damn city. I wanted more of a fight though. Peter should've been able to absorb other heroes' powers to fight Sylar. Just him punching the crap out of him was pretty, well, lame.

Overall though, the first season was pretty consistent in its bad-assness. Now that they know what works and what doesn't, hopefully next season should be kick-ass all the way through. Can't wait to see who this guy is who's even more evil than Sylar. I'm guessing it's a guy their parents fought and season two will go between flashbacks of the older generation and the present story of today's heroes both dealing with that threat. Can't wait!

DarkJedi
05-21-2007, 06:29 PM
We're talking about this...

There's perhaps an "out" for Nathan and Peter.

Nathan could have flew Peter up high....let him go.....flew to a safe distance.

Peter would go off and probably go into a coma falling to the ground. Nathan could then fly and catch him. They would both be alive.

There's an out.

DarkJedi
05-21-2007, 06:34 PM
Maybe they should stop building episodes up. The ones they don't really push seem to go over the best. Remember how much they built up the "Save the cheerleader" episode and how much of a let down it was? They should just let episodes be and not over-hype them.

So the season finale ended up being kind of lame. Honestly though, who didn't see any of that coming (well, maybe not the Hiro going to Japan part, but all the rest)? I'll bet you that on the way up, Peter realized that he'd already absorbed Nathan's flying ability, so he took off in one direction while Nathan went the other way. And I'll be damned if saving the cheerleader didn't help save the damn city. I wanted more of a fight though. Peter should've been able to absord other heroes' powers to fight Sylar. Just him punching the crap out of him was pretty, well, lame.

Overall though, the first season was pretty consistent in its bad-assness. Now that they know what works and what doesn't, hopefully next season should be kick-ass all the way through. Can't wait to see who this guy is who's even more evil than Sylar. I'm guessing it's a guy their parents fought and season two will go between flashbacks of the older generation and the present story of today's heroes both dealing with that threat. Can't wait!


I see we both have an idea on the "out" towards Peter and Nathan dieing..

But as far as your "Honestly, who didn't see that coming..."

Seriously KV, I didn't see the writers turning Suresh, Claire, and Bennett into "idiots" who don't bother caring to make sure Sylar is not only dead but his body is accounted for before saying "Let's go home."

That kind of behavior from those 3 characters towards making sure Sylar is dead seems very.....very.....weak on the writers parts.

I love this season. I just can't believe we got that last 10 minutes from the writers.

KingVoyeur
05-21-2007, 06:49 PM
I wasn't really surprised that Sylar survived. The bad guy usually does, especially if there's more seasons to do. I do agree with you though in being upset that the writers chose that route.

EDIT: My roomate brought up an interesting point. Maybe Sylar didn't crawl into the sewer. Maybe he was dragged there. The bug on the manhole cover was too obvious to just be hanging out there.

The character who I thought was a dumbass was Parkman. He knows what Sylar's capable of, but he thinks that he'll be able to take him on by himself with a freaking gun? Where the hell did his common sense go?

Some good sidenotes though. Liked seeing Peter talk to the old guy he used to take care of, still not sure what that guy's power was. The "love will conquer all" bit is a little stale, especially considering that Peter's "ability to love" didn't really factor much into the final fight.

Claire shooting down Nathan and his mom then jumping out the window rocked. Totally cheering for her. Bam! Claire! Superbitch! :lol:

Enjoyed Nikki/Jessica's smackdown of that bitch Candice. That felt better than Peter punching Sylar. Didn't like the fact that she's still running around though, especially with Sylar still on the loose.

The confrontation between Hiro and Sylar with Ando in the middle was awesome. I actually wasn't sure there for a second whether Hiro would be fast enough. But, he can control time, so, yeah, he's fast enough.

A few good points, but still kinda lame in the end.

Lingering questions: What happened to the Haitian and Chris Eccleston's chracter? Also, we don't know much about Hiro's dad. What if that masked samurai, who I'm assuming is the guy who owned Hiro's sword, what if that's Hiro's dad?

DaForce
05-21-2007, 09:27 PM
First off, it wasn't that bad an ending to the season. Not spectacular, but not bad either.

Molly said that there was one guy that she couldn't think of, because he was always looking back. I believe this guy (who's supposed to be more powerful than Sylar) grabbed Sylar and dragged him into the sewer when everyone was preoccupied with Peter getting ready to explode.

The "love conquers all" was in reference to Nathan finally coming around and saving the city and his brother by helping him to not explode in the city.

We know that Peter can survive the blast and Nathan may have survived, but he'll need a way to heal from the rad poisoning he surely got dosed with from Peter.

Parkman acted like he always has; like a rookie cop. He ran in to fire at the perp without thinking his actions through. His powers were essentially useless against Sylar anyway.

Finally...finally we come to Hiro. As I've been suspecting, Hiro is about to meet an ancestor. All those tales about Samurai that his father has been telling him since he was a child, are actually family legend. Mind you, this is speculation on my part, but I can't see Hiro's father as being an immortal. Hiro's father at one point even alluded to Hiro's favorite samurai tale being one of interest to the family bloodline. One last thing on this note, the masked samurai is George Takei (benefits of a large screen tv in HD :wink: ), but I believe him to be playing the relative in the Nakamura bloodline.


Ah, and we finally found out Mr. Bennett's first name...Noah. :)


One thing that wasn't answered, how many more people were in on the plan to nuke the city? It couldn't have been just the Petrellis, Linderman, Simone's dad and Mr. Nakamura. Especially with an organization as big as PrimaTech.

DarkJedi
05-21-2007, 10:09 PM
Now, that would be an ending I would agree with more...the setup for the new bad guy dragging his corpse..

I do wonder if there was a reference with the cockroach on top of it.

Yes, I would still be a little peeved that the other characters just left while his body was unnaccounted for but I wouldn't hate the last ten minutes as much if he was dragged away by something more sinister or primal beneath the city.

Overall, I loved the season and I can't wait for Season 2!!

It just that last ten minutes continues to get to me.

Peter and Nathan better have survived too. :)

DaForce
05-21-2007, 10:25 PM
The cockroach was foreshadowed back when Sylar was in his cell at PrimaTech. I'm starting to think that maybe Sylar has been getting a little help here and there along the way without actually realizing it.

DarkJedi
05-21-2007, 10:54 PM
Good theory to discuss over the summer.

As in Sylar was the unknowing puppet and somebody more sinister was the real puppet master?

DaForce
05-21-2007, 10:59 PM
Possibly.

Or maybe Sylar was being helped out by an even bigger bad to see how he would react before being brought in as a student. Ala the Magneto of old.

DarkJedi
05-21-2007, 11:09 PM
I have to say this is a better theory to work with.

I never caught the cockroach in the cell scene from earlier in the season. Makes me want to go back and watch the season looking for references to this cockroach "aka possible big baddie reference* throughout the season.

Obviously, the writers have been planning Season 2 and beyond from the 10th or so episode of the season so I wouldn't be surprised if there are more references that I never caught.

neglet
05-22-2007, 04:25 AM
I agree, the last 10 minutes were a bit of a letdown. The confrontation seemed too easily resolved (Sylar doesn't hear Hiro coming?), and not making sure Sylar is DEAD dead is stupid.

However, I loved the setup for next season--Hiro falling into 17th century Japan. When they're talking previous generations, they weren't kidding! Even though the ending wasn't all I wanted, I'll still be eager for season 1 on DVD and season 2 on broadcast.

erkman12
05-22-2007, 05:29 AM
What if the whole reason for the exploding man was to kill what was underground:headscratch:

Queen Mae
05-22-2007, 05:43 AM
Good point - did anyone ever sit down with Mamma Petrelli or Linderman and attempt a logical conversation? It seemed to me that all anyone ever said to them was "That's insane!!" "You're crazy!!!" or "No!" Did anyone ever bother to ask "why?"

The Tyrant Virus
05-22-2007, 06:11 AM
If I'm not mistaken, Sylar was already once declared dead in his cell when he was captured (the aforementioned cockroach scene). Maybe they DID check to see if he was dead but didn't know he could put his body in a near-dead suspended state or whatever he had done.

I had absolutely no problem with the ending of the episode. Things where chaotic, friends were "killed" or badly hurt, Sylar was dead (assuming they checked), judgement isn't always the greatest in times of crises.

I DO like the idea that the bigger bad dragged him down. That would be awesome. Oh, and I so totally called Nathan flying Peter to explode in the air. :Tongue:

My theory has been for a long time that when Peter (assuming Peter is the bomb) starts to explode, Nathan sacrifices himself and flies Peter away to save the city.

omicron
05-22-2007, 06:29 AM
The ending got to me also. It seems like they had to wrap it up too quickly.

I agree with Daffy, Parkman acted like a cop. He probably didn't know Sylar had the telekenesis power and could stop the bullets.

I did like Nikki/Jessica helping out and beating the snot out of Candice. I was hoping we'd see her real form, but maybe the brunette is her real form.

My problems with the ending are that it too neatly wrapped things up. Where is DL? Is he alive and in police custody? And why couldn't Peter just fly away himself? He has the power, especially with Nathan so near now.

Is there any signifigance to Bennett's first name, Noah?

neglet
05-22-2007, 06:45 AM
I did like Nikki/Jessica helping out and beating the snot out of Candice. I was hoping we'd see her real form, but maybe the brunette is her real form.

My problems with the ending are that it too neatly wrapped things up. Where is DL? Is he alive and in police custody? And why couldn't Peter just fly away himself? He has the power, especially with Nathan so near now.

Is there any signifigance to Bennett's first name, Noah?

Candice implied the brunette wasn't her real form, but maybe that illusion is so central to her persona that she maintains it even when she's unconscious. We might only see her real form if she was dead.

I'm thinking Peter could have absorbed Nathan's flying abilities in time for Nathan to have escaped the bomb ... to be continued, obviously.

As for Noah Bennett, there's only the obvious connection to the ark ... in the future Hiro saw Bennett was trying to save the specials from the government, so I'd guess he may continue along those lines next season, if we see him next season.

DaForce
05-22-2007, 07:35 AM
Good point - did anyone ever sit down with Mamma Petrelli or Linderman and attempt a logical conversation? It seemed to me that all anyone ever said to them was "That's insane!!" "You're crazy!!!" or "No!" Did anyone ever bother to ask "why?"

Actually, Linderman was explaining this to Nathan. He was explaining that the older generation had tried to help the world one person at a time, and that it just wasn't working. That people were resistant to change. They were going to force people to work together by creating a big enough catastrophe.

It's like one of Magneto's crazy schemes to bring the mutant-kind together at the expense of the normals.


As for Peter not flying away, think about it for a minute, he's trying really hard to concentrate on not blowing up. If he has to divert his concentration on remembering how to fly (remember, his powers only work if he remembers how he feels about another person), he'd blow up for sure.

Trazalca
05-22-2007, 07:50 AM
There was something new to this episode I don't recall happening at any other time
throughout the season - Sylar's eyes.

On two occasions, his eyes flickered with flashing images, before going solid white.
Once before he painted the image with Isaac's powers at the Loft.
Once before "dying".

Question: what was the difference between those two moments?
I want to go back and hit the slo-mo to see what exactly was it that was flashed
in his eyes. It HAS to be a setup for something.

And the idea of something worse that Sylar dragging his body down to the sewer,
and the Organization wanting to blow up NYC was for the sake of killing that
"something worse than Sylar" living in the sewers is CHILLING. And I so hope that
story line is true.

Strider
05-22-2007, 08:36 AM
I had a problem with the final showdown when I first saw it, but reading these replies and thinking about it a bit has changed my mind.

With nothing else interfering, Peter has the ability to fly. He can turn invisible at will, so why can't he fly? Well, I think it's definitely a concentration thing like DaForce says. He's trying really really hard not to explode. Perhaps Nathan picked him up, flew away REALLY fast, and sort of "threw" Peter at the last second. Peter blows up, falls, and survives due to Claire's regeneration ability. It might take him a long time to recover though. If Claire can jump from several floors up and survive (awesome!), then Peter should be able to survive a giant fall whether he was caught or not. There's no reason that both characters couldn't come back next season somehow.

The Sylar thing didn't bother me. The blood looked more like he was pulled away to me rather than crawling. I think the bug has something to do with this other "bad guy". Plus, there's no reason to assume that Sylar is alive. We didn't see him recover, we just saw a blood trail.

Perhaps this new baddie needs Sylar's body for something OR maybe this new baddie can bring things back to life. That would make sense. Perhaps Sylar really WAS dead earlier in the season, and this new person brought him back.

I loved everything with Hiro in this episode. "Badass" indeed. :D

The ending/beginning was awesome. I'm glad that the eclipse didn't just go away.

I loved the look that Molly gave Micah when he fixed the elevator. It seemed to say, "wow there's another kid who can do something amazing!"

Al-Dog
05-22-2007, 09:29 AM
There was something new to this episode I don't recall happening at any other time
throughout the season - Sylar's eyes.

On two occasions, his eyes flickered with flashing images, before going solid white.
Once before he painted the image with Isaac's powers at the Loft.
Once before "dying".

Question: what was the difference between those two moments?
I want to go back and hit the slo-mo to see what exactly was it that was flashed
in his eyes. It HAS to be a setup for something.

And the idea of something worse that Sylar dragging his body down to the sewer,
and the Organization wanting to blow up NYC was for the sake of killing that
"something worse than Sylar" living in the sewers is CHILLING. And I so hope that
story line is true.

Close up of Sylars eyes (http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u87/spaceharrier/sylars-eye.jpg)

SinisterPryde
05-22-2007, 11:05 AM
So if Peter has to concentrate how he feels about someone to use their power, then why didn't he just not focus on Ted's powers?

DaForce
05-22-2007, 11:29 AM
So if Peter has to concentrate how he feels about someone to use their power, then why didn't he just not focus on Ted's powers?

Ted's power was unstable (hence why his wife died). As Noah and Suresh both said in earlier episodes, if Peter absorbed an unstable power he would never be able to consciously control it when he first absorbed it.

fastcar
05-22-2007, 12:00 PM
Someone mentioned Peter absorbing Nathan's ability....

That already happened when he was on the rooftop early on this season.

It's been my belief that Peter only has to come in contact with a Hero once to absorb their power. Then he can collectively call on them at will by concentrating on them.

Since he's concentrating on not blowing up, he can't fly. He needs help from his big bro.

As for the fates of Peter and Nathan. Peter could definitely survive the explosion. Nathan probably couldn't. Whether he dropped Peter at a great distance allowing time to escape will remain to be seen come Season 2.

Save the cheerleader, save the world could mean two different things.
Saving Claire from Sylar would keep him from getting her power making him nearly indestructible.

Saving the cheerleader, gives Claire the opportunity to meet and bond with dear old Dad. That sets into motion the change in Nathan's direction of conscience and leads him to helping get Peter away from the city.



My biggest dislike was how Hiro seemed to take forever to run at Sylar. It was like that guy who rushed Nolan Ryan on the mound years back only to get his ass kicked when he finally arrived at the pitcher's mound.


Seemed a little hapdash in the execution.

Kaeos
05-22-2007, 02:18 PM
One thing to remember about "Save the Cheerleader...blah blah blah"

That phrase was first "said" by Future Hiro. In Issac's studio in "5 years later" he explained to his younger self and to Ando how he'd traced the whole chain of events back to saving Claire from Sylar at the highschool, thereby setting in motion a change to his original timeline where she wasn't saved and Sylar was indestructable.

It's going to be a long summer.

rappites
05-22-2007, 02:28 PM
Where are the Men in Black? So, they can kill the alien cochroaches.



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DarkJedi
05-22-2007, 03:38 PM
You're talking about the Robin Ventura/Nolan Ryan fight, aren't you Speedy?

Memorable baseball fight. I still have that baseball card somewhere.

I do have questionable plotholes that will never be filled but that doesn't take away from me being absolutely hooked towards Heroes. I still cannot wait for season 2!!!

Questionable things by me:

-I like Daforce's body being dragged away by the real big baddie but I still question the other "main" players saying "It's over, let's go home...Lalala!" when Sylar's body is unaccounted for.

-I think there is a definite out with Nathan and Peter surviving but I certainly wish they said as much in this season finale....

-The writers have hammered down how Hiro can stop time. So why is it that the last few episodes, we've had plotholes with this power. Hiro could have stopped time in the finale, cut Sylars head off...and be done instead of being vulnerable and being thrown by Sylar into the building.

Also, Hiro could have stopped time...Grabbed Nathan....they both transported Peter to a safe distance with "stop time" and got away...Peter would have gone off and regenerated and Hiro, Nathan, Peter could have all lived through this.

I can't wait for next season and I'm definitely hooked. I seriously hope though that the writers stop making Hiro look to be such an unsubstantiated character. He's been my favorite character from the start but seriously, he needs to stop being the "I question my powers" character and start being the "Badass" as Ando describes him in the finale.

If he can stop time, he needs to utilize that power.

Kaeos
05-22-2007, 04:13 PM
If he can stop time, he needs to utilize that power.


I'm sire he will. Future Hiro is proof of how badass he'll get. Give the boy time, he went from zero to hero in 5 weeks for Chrissake!

DarkJedi
05-22-2007, 04:16 PM
Haha.

I know, K-Man.

I have a feeling that next year will focus on "getting training from the true *master*"

Next season will flash back from our last generation of Heroes (Mrs Petrelli, Linderman, Invisible Man, Simone's Dad, Eric Roberts, etc) and part of the beginning of the season will have Hiro getting trained into that BADASS.

KingVoyeur
05-22-2007, 07:08 PM
I think the reason they don't have Hiro using his power constantly is because it would make eveyrthing too easy. Anytime there was a problem Hiro could just freeze time, fix the problem and save people, the start time again. There'd almost be no reason to have all the other characters.

SinisterPryde
05-23-2007, 01:57 AM
I look at it as Hiro's journey into being a man this season. He could freeze time, but there would certainly be no honor in that. Also remember, that he still believed Sylar to be the one who explodes until Peter freaked out on him.

If this season was Hiro becoming a man, then I guess next season will show him becoming a warrior. I also wonder at some of the other journeys to come next season.
Kring said we'd see what Sylar does with the brains in Season 2, so I am guessing he will be back.

Little Nell
05-23-2007, 03:01 AM
I'm not sure how I feel about Syler's death. He has the ability to become more and more and more (etc.) powerful as time goes on. He's such a huge threat that the writers almost have to kill him.

On the other hand, we have the "Invincible" theory: For every superhero there must be a supervillain. Peter also has the ability to become more and more powerful as time goes on then. If Peter still exists, then so must Syler.

One thing the writers seemed to try to highlight this season was the "Law of Unintended Consequences". Every time the heroes take action, a new scenario presents itself - one that's possibly more horrific than the tragedy they tried to prevent.

I like the idea of the baddie in the sewer. I also like the idea that the older generation planned the explosion to kill it and create a safer world. Perhaps the OG didn't count on the LUC (Law of Unintended Consequences), providing a Syler to corrupt the new utopia Nathan was supposed to create.

Or perhaps the OG actually wanted a Syler-ruled world where specials were outlawed. Maybe the mutation has evolved to the point that there are just too many specials and too many dangers resulting from superhero / supervillain battles. The OG might feel it's better that just a few specials fight amongst themselves than two opposing special armies. As far as Syler being in charge, better to have the lesser devil calling a few shots than the big sewer baddie truly ruling the world. Syler's only true grievance is with specials. Maybe the sewer baddie is an equal opportunity hater and destroyer.

Just thoughts...

erkman12
05-23-2007, 08:52 AM
What if it isn't a big bad, but big bads! What if there was a morlock like group undergroung that had mutations that could not fit into society like all the pretty Heroes on the surface.:eek:

fastcar
05-23-2007, 10:36 AM
Yes, DJ, I believe that was the fight. It just amazes me how you think you'll have an effective attack when it takes how long to run 60 1/2 feet and then uphill at that.





Or perhaps the OG actually wanted a Syler-ruled world where specials were outlawed. Maybe the mutation has evolved to the point that there are just too many specials and too many dangers resulting from superhero / supervillain battles. The OG might feel it's better that just a few specials fight amongst themselves than two opposing special armies. As far as Syler being in charge, better to have the lesser devil calling a few shots than the big sewer baddie truly ruling the world. Syler's only true grievance is with specials. Maybe the sewer baddie is an equal opportunity hater and destroyer.

Just thoughts...


Sounds like a Jet Li movie ... or Pixar.

Strider
05-23-2007, 12:19 PM
So, why exactly couldn't Peter fly away at the end by himself? Here's what Tim Kring, creator of the show had to say:

....Presented by TV Guide with that burning question, series creator Tim Kring pauses before saying, "You know, theoretically you're not supposed to be thinking about that."

When assured that viewers are, Kring confirms that — as many have theorized — radioactive Peter's other powers were "incapacitated" at that pivotal moment, and "somewhere in there is the explanation" for having Nathan grab his bro and do the "flying man!" thing. "But the real explanation is that we wanted Nathan to show up and [save the day]!"

"Yes, I will admit that there’s a very tiny window of logic there," Kring continues with a laugh. "But what can I say? It's requires the proverbial suspension of disbelief."

DaForce
05-23-2007, 07:15 PM
I was discussing the final battle with some friends today, and someone brought up a very valid point; this is the first season. NBC wasn't expecting this to be the huge hit it has become, so they didn't pour that much money into the budget of an untried show's first season.

I'm sure next season we will see bigger effects, and bigger battles due to the bigger budget.

Also, another couple of things we were discussing, the possiblity of Sylar actually turning around to become a hero. Think about it for a second. Sylar was actually not that thrilled to learn that he would be responsible for nuking NYC (at least not until he killed his mom). It was almost like he wanted to be evil, but not that evil. Maybe he'll turn it around.

Another thing we were discussing, we still don't know what ever happened to Papa Petrelli. Sure, we've been told he is dead, but there seems to be some confusion as to if he was murdered or committed suicide. Maybe it's a story that mama Petrelli told her boys? Maybe it's their father that might actually be the next Big Bad?

Kara Milovy
05-24-2007, 10:13 AM
That kind of behavior from those 3 characters towards making sure Sylar is dead seems very.....very.....weak on the writers parts.
It's like they've been going out of their way to keep Sylar alive; not just the writers, which is legit, but the characters, which is not. It's all very...Spike.

Kara Milovy
05-24-2007, 11:24 AM
As for Noah Bennett, there's only the obvious connection to the ark ... in the future Hiro saw Bennett was trying to save the specials from the government, so I'd guess he may continue along those lines next season, if we see him next season.
I think the real meaning of the first name for HRG is just to solidify him as a good guy. The original few episodes had him as "the face of evil" and he was the villain. I suspect the transformation of him into a good guy was gradual not only to us, but to the writers. Saying "call me Noah" was a way of being soft, and of telling the audience that yes, he is really truly, no doubt about it, a good guy.

Kara Milovy
05-24-2007, 11:26 AM
There was something new to this episode I don't recall happening at any other time
throughout the season - Sylar's eyes. Those were Isaac's eyes. The images flashed as his eyes went white. We've seen Isaac's and Peter's eyes go white when they paint.

Kara Milovy
05-24-2007, 11:32 AM
Next season will flash back from our last generation of Heroes (Mrs Petrelli, Linderman, Invisible Man, Simone's Dad, Eric Roberts, etc) and part of the beginning of the season will have Hiro getting trained into that BADASS.
I have been saying almost from the beginning (and I think it's in a thread here somewhere) that Peter only has one power: Absorbing powers. Peter thinks he has two powers: Absorbing powers and dreams. But I have thought from the beginning that he got the dreams from Simone's dad.

And look how much more power Simone's dad had in the dream than any other dream person evidenced? I think I'm really right.

Tricksterson
05-25-2007, 10:37 AM
Couple of notes.

First, on Candice, two possible answers (although whoever said that she's so locked into that particular illusion that only death would break it might have a point too).
1: She worked for a multimillionaire folks. Maybe part of her "fee" (and a possible reason why she seemed so devoted to him) is that Lindemann paid for major plastic surgery. So she really does look like that
2: She's not grotesquely fat, she just sees herself that way. I've known size 2s who thought they were fat.

Next, the Peter question: Has anyone ever seen him use more than one power at a time? Fly while invisible, heal and telekinese, etc? Likwise When Sylar had Ando pinned he didn't try to freeze Hiro.

Will admit, the one thing I didn't like was that Sylar got away and noone, not even the usually clued in Bennet, seemed to notice. Like the theory that someone (or something) may have hauled him away. I also like the Morlock idea. So far all the mutants have been pretty, lets see some Toad types out there.:lol:

SinisterPryde
05-25-2007, 02:02 PM
One thing to consider about Sylar is that we see a bit of the aftermath, but only snippets. The people seemed more concerned with friends and family than checking to see if the guy who got ran through with a sword was still alive. That may have even happened just moments later, but was cut because of time constraints.

On a side note, I can't wait to see the extended pilot on the DVD collection. This might explain why some of the scenes in the previews were never in the actual show.

Belledame
05-29-2007, 09:41 PM
Haven't seen the final ep yet, but I don't understand why Peter would need to heal from going nuclear. Ted didn't. When he went berserk at Claire's house, Claire was burned to the bone, but Ted was fine. Isaac's drawing of the 'nuclear man' indicates a person radiating like a reactor, not exploding. It seemed that all could have been avoided if Peter and Ted had gotten back to the desert asap. Then Peter could learn to control the ability - as Ted had been practicing before Hana Gittelman came calling.

We know Peter masters the abilities from the growth he showed with Claude and from the future episode. He stormed in and used one power after another, then when Sylar came and revealed himself, Peter went nuclear at will. But he only warmed his hands until he and Sylar got their words out of the way, then (we can assume) it was a targeted trade of blows judging by the effects around the door.

Only Nathan would need to heal. I have just got to see this episode.

Strider
05-30-2007, 04:43 AM
See, I think they did check to see if Sylar was dead, we just didn't get to see it on screen. Also, we don't know when Sylar actually disapeared. For all we know, he was there for hours and only just disappeared right before they showed it. Perhaps all the "Heroes" noticed he was gone right after we did.

SinisterPryde
05-30-2007, 08:36 AM
My only real problem with the episode was when Matt fired his gun at Sylar. I realize the guy has super hearing and all, but those bullets would have tagged him before he would have registered what the sound was. Not only that, but in the episode, Matt's gun clearly has the sounds of it discharging. I am no physics major, but I do believe the bullets travel faster than sound, but Sylar is clearly seen reacting to the sounds of the gun fire.




Oh man, I am everything I hate in internet fanboys.

fastcar
05-31-2007, 08:58 AM
Maybe he knew it was coming because of Issac's power......



speaking of Hana Gittelman, what happened to her?



nevermind.......thank you wikipedia.

Tricksterson
06-01-2007, 07:02 AM
Rumor is that she will reappear but not in physical form, she'll have merged with the Internet.

fastcar
06-01-2007, 08:21 AM
Hana,
http://uglydemocrats.com/democrats/United-States/Al-Gore/ranting-al-gore.jpg


"Who's your daddy, now?"

Metuzalem
07-19-2007, 10:28 AM
I still want to know who Claude was protecting in the black and white flashbacks. Remember that?
And as for the "where's Claude?" brigade (myself included), remember he IS the invisible man. The writers could conceiveably say that he is in ANY scene they show but the viewers can't see him "he is invisible after all". Lame I know, but with a power like that they have a get out-out clause for life.