2:15 - Maternity Leave - March 1 - (claire)

[Queen Mae]

From ABC.com (http://www.abc.com)
A desperate Claire, along with Kate and Rousseau, attempts a return to the scene of her kidnapping where she believes she might find the cure for Baby Aaron's mysterious illness. Meanwhile, Jack and Locke must keep their prisoner a secret from the rest of the survivors. Rousseau, Ethan, Henry Gale, and Mr. Friendly also appear.

Various sources report that we'll be meeting Danielle's daughter Alex in this episode.

What I would really love from this episode is to have flashbacks from Danielle as well as Claire. It would be nice to have Danielle flashback to when her daughter was taken to see how it may have paralleled Claire's kidnapping.

I also wonder if Claire's flashbacks will be from her life pre-island or just of her kidnapping.

[Cooper]

In terms of revelations, this was a terrific episode. One major problem... Last episode, Locke and Sayid conspired to put Henry Gale into the weapons locker cause they did not trust him. They did this behind Jack's back and Jack was dead-set against it, asking the question, "What if he's telling the truth?" ...in this episode there is a 180 degree shift. Locke is the one who seems to have sympathy for Gale and questions how long they will keep him and Jack is the hard ass who acts as if keeping the guy prisoner was his idea.

This conflict doesn't logically follow the actions from last episode.

[CaptPike]

Cooper is right. I guess we're just led to believe that Locke's "but what if he isn't" got through to Jack?

I do like the "divide and conquer" tactic by Gale. Storm clouds are definitely brewing.

So "the Others" are part of the Dharma Initiative? Dressing in rags and fake beards? Is this island like "The Village" in 'The Prisoner'? Perhaps Dharma is behind bringing down the airplane?

"Catch A Falling Star", any significance to that song, playing on the mobile with the little airplanes? And did those airplanes say "Oceanic" on them? I couldn't make that out.

Ok, found out a few answers at another board.

Here's a pic of the mobile from last night's ep.

http://lost.cubit.net/pics/2x15/oceanicMobile.jpg

Here's one from Claire's nightmare before Ethan took her..

http://lost.cubit.net/pics/2x15/oceanicMobile2.jpg

And, "Catch a Falling Star" was the song Claire wanted the adoptive parents to sing to her child.

[fastcar]

I missed important dialogue due to the fact that I taped it and it ran over, again. Also, my vcr(s) jump or skip, so I get a little noise bar and it speeds up for a second.


I NEED TIVO.


Yeah, I was surprised when I saw Mr. Friendly in his business casual gear. Trying to find the connection between Hanso and Oceanic.

Also, wonder what the Asclepius symbol on the bunker symbolized, other than medical. Perhaps it's all tied back to Apollo, Apollo Bars, Asclepius was the son of Apollo, The swan is cygnus who tried to save Phaeton, another son of Apollo.

Hmmm

[Queen Mae]

Cooper: If time on the show wasn't running so slowly I would say that Locke had plenty of time to begin to feel sympathy for Henry, but this is, what 2 days later at most? So, I completely agree with you - it's like they gave Jack Locke's lines and vice-versa. They did it so that Henry could manipulate Locke at the end. Recently I've found Locke's character to be inconsistent. It was not in character for him to punch Charlie or to even treat Charlie the way that he did in Fire + Water. Typically, Locke would have tried to get to the bottom of Charlie's dreams - he would have played Shaman for Charlie, but that's not what he did.

In terms of the episode, it met all of my expectations - which was that I expected it to be fantastic. Nothing about the episode surprised me, per se, but the story was good and the reveal of Claire's memories was done very well. I also liked Kate in this episode.

Nothing that happened with the Others surprised me, although I didn't expect them to be wearing costumes. I wonder what the motivation for that is. I did expect that they believe they are good people. I think the show has been leading the viewer in that direction - Goodwin told Ana that he took "the good people." I am curious as to why the Others abandoned that hatch. Do they routinely abandon hatches? It seems that they do - but what's the point in that?

I've been trying to figure out the Apollo connection too and it's just not computing. There were arrows at one station, right? I'm sure there's a website somewhere that has a list of all of the Dharma symbols. Maybe we should make a thread about it and then us Classics majors (CSM was one too) can noodle this thing out. What I'm wondering is if there's an Apollo connection is Artemis going to show up somewhere? Then again, maybe that's why there are strange bears on the island! Maybe the polar bears used to be virgins :wink:

There have been rumors of a Libby episode toward the end of the season and I really hope those are true because she fascinates me. It was a nice touch to have her and Hurley hanging out together when Claire came to talk to her.

[Cncrman]

Just off hand - Asclepius had the ability to bring the dead back to life.

Or possibly "almost dead" in this case?

[fastcar]

Check out Lostpedia and search Swan.
Be careful they could have spoilers there.

Very true, which is why Asclepius was made to die.

What if the good people are ones that they know can be used to procure a vaccine or cure? They needed Claire's baby, but not so much Claire.

Did anyone else notice that Alex did not look 16?

[Queen Mae]

The actress, Tania Somethingorother is only 18 - but I agree that she looks older than that.

[Cooper]

I've given up trying to "figure things out" on LOST. 1) I honestly don't believe that any of these "clues" point to anything and 2) I think this will just lead me to be dissapointed with what the writers give us.

I think Locke's inconsistancies in the past few episodes are a real problem. The guy was pretty much mystical in the first season. Now, he changes to fit the writer's whims. As Queen Mae pointed out, Fire+Water was a mess, as far as Locke's behavior.

I'm just grateful the flashbacks were once again interesting! Love the fact that the Others are not really the grimy cast-aways they were portrayed as. It'll be interesting to see Charlie's flashback concerning this incident. They never explained how Ethan managed to string him up.

[Tricksterson]

Yes the planes in the mobile had Oceanic logos on them which indicates a direct link between Oceanic and the Initiative. Likewise they were identical to the planes in the mobile in Claire's dream in ""Raised by Another".
I think Locke's increasingly violent behavior is indicative of an impending breakdown.

[alaristhered]

I was thinking the same thing about Locke - that the quiet, gentle moral center of the survivors is about to lose it. After all, Mr. Eko can definitely take on the quiet, gentle moral center role.

[Intelligent_Design]

Were the planes in the mobile the same as the one Kate murdered, maimed, fled, and was chased over?

[alaristhered]

Holy crap - you've got a great eye! I'm going to have to watch this again (thank you, TiVo) to find out!

[Aragowyn]

I'm too lazy to check other Lost websites, so does any one know if the numbers on the bottles of vaccine are the same as the lottery numbers?

[Jakester]

Dunno, Gwyn, but hey -- did anyone notice that ONE plane on the mobile was pointing downward?

[neglet]

Dunno, Gwyn, but hey -- did anyone notice that ONE plane on the mobile was pointing downward?

Definitely. While Claire was watching it spin, it looked like that downward-pointing plane was jogging her memory somehow.

Good episode--loved Eko's confrontation with Gale, Eko kept me guessing the whole time as to what he was going to do. Gale is a nice snivelly sneak, he reminds me (in looks, too) of Verbal Kint in "The Usual Suspects."

Locke's change of character seems strange, but not so much of a problem to me. I think things have been disappointing for him ever since they broke into the hatch--his "faith" has not been rewarded, and the frustration is causing him to lose it.

[Queen Mae]

Locke's change of character seems strange, but not so much of a problem to me. I think things have been disappointing for him ever since they broke into the hatch--his "faith" has not been rewarded, and the frustration is causing him to lose it.


This is the only way thatI can rationalize his odd behavior. I also think Shannon's death was a turning point for him. Going by the way I interpreted O'Quinn's subtext, Locke felt that he was somehow to blame for Shannon's death. He couldn't protect Boone and perhaps he felt that because Boone died he should care for Shannon - even if from a distance. Now that she's dead, he has completely failed Boone on all levels - which means he's failed on being the master shaman that he desires to be.

[Queen Mae]

I'm too lazy to check other Lost websites, so does any one know if the numbers on the bottles of vaccine are the same as the lottery numbers?


I don't know about the bottles being used for Claire's vaccine, but if I remember correctly, the bottles that Desmond had were marked with "the numbers."

[TrixieB]

I don't know about the bottles being used for Claire's vaccine, but if I remember correctly, the bottles that Desmond had were marked with "the numbers."

The same numbers were on the bottles for Claire's vaccine. However, since Aaron has seemingly recovered, it makes me wonder what's really in them.

[Son of Gilbert]

Whats in the bottle? Has anyone ever got a flu shot then ended up with the flu? Maybe it was the virus in the shots. Also what did Eko mean when he told Gail that he wanted Gail to know what happen to the others he killed? Was it to let Gail Know what he was able to do, maybe to account for others that were missing(that would mean that Gail was an other) or was it just a friendly chat between old friends

[Intelligent_Design]

Whats in the bottle? Has anyone ever got a flu shot then ended up with the flu? Maybe it was the virus in the shots. Also what did Eko mean when he told Gail that he wanted Gail to know what happen to the others he killed? Was it to let Gail Know what he was able to do, maybe to account for others that were missing(that would mean that Gail was an other) or was it just a friendly chat between old friends


I think Eko needed to confess his sins to someone that wouldn't judge him.

[DarkJedi]

And sizing him up, ID. I was curious why they just didn't send Eko in immediately upon finding Gale.

On the whole Locke issue, there is no question on his behavior being erratic this season. I'm curious on this being caused by the introduction of another faith based character, Mr. Eko.

Locke was all about faith in season 1 and his past was shown to be that of a man who wanted adventure and out of a wheelchair.

Eko comes in now all about faith in season 2 and his past has clearly been the opposite. Lots of adventure, but in the process, ruthlessness. Eko may have taken the wheelchair over killing someone to save his little brother's morality.

There is always a moral compass in any given group that takes center stage. The battle of truth vs faith has been Jack and Locke since day 1 but now the waters are alot more murky with the introduction of the other survivors.

This is also what the writers hinted would happen pre-Season 2. That's what causing me to see Locke's recent shifts in behavior to be patterned from the writers. Waters are just murky and we now have Eko there, a very strong willed faithful man to compete with Locke's tendencies last year. Locke feels "lost" at the moment in what to do.