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UNCLEagent
10-07-2007, 07:55 AM
National Guard Troops Denied Benefits After Longest Deployment Of Iraq War (http://www.wcsh6.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=71741)

I served. And when my son was born, I believed I would have suppoted a decision on his part to serve his country (Iraq withstanding).

I see "Support Our troops" magnets all over this country. They're cute, really. And one would be hard pressed to see ANY political statement from either party that doesn't carry the obligatory (to the absurd point of sounding insincere) praises of our troops.

I won't beat the "send them home NOW!" drum, but we sure as hell aren't doing right by anybody now in the manner in which we are conducting this war.

Seeing this article above just sickens me. Try telling me 729 days vs. 730 is merely a statistical ovesight; a coincidence.

I would agree that when one enlists, one cannot be expected to choose which policies you would or would not be willing to tow the line for. But allowing one to simply be raped like this is wrong. It's not about the Iraq war. It's not about our foreign policy.

I wouldn't be able to ground my son were he to decide to serve when his time comes. But I can start planting the seeds in his fertile mind of what bullshit this country is really about. I always tried to inspire a love of country, a sense of duty, and a notion of service in him. Seeing more and more blatant abuses as the one cited in this article has changed all of that.

Done ranting. :mad:



MINNEAPOLIS, MN (NBC) -- When they came home from Iraq, 2,600 members of the Minnesota National Guard had been deployed longer than any other ground combat unit. The tour lasted 22 months and had been extended as part of President Bush's surge.

1st Lt. Jon Anderson said he never expected to come home to this: A government refusing to pay education benefits he says he should have earned under the GI bill.

"It's pretty much a slap in the face," Anderson said. "I think it was a scheme to save money, personally. I think it was a leadership failure by the senior Washington leadership... once again failing the soldiers."

Anderson's orders, and the orders of 1,161 other Minnesota guard members, were written for 729 days.

Had they been written for 730 days, just one day more, the soldiers would receive those benefits to pay for school.

"Which would be allowing the soldiers an extra $500 to $800 a month," Anderson said.

That money would help him pay for his master's degree in public administration. It would help Anderson's fellow platoon leader, John Hobot, pay for a degree in law enforcement.

"I would assume, and I would hope, that when I get back from a deployment of 22 months, my senior leadership in Washington, the leadership that extended us in the first place, would take care of us once we got home," Hobot said.

Both Hobot and Anderson believe the Pentagon deliberately wrote orders for 729 days instead of 730. Now, six of Minnesota's members of the House of Representatives have asked the Secretary of the Army to look into it -- So have Senators Amy Klobuchar and Norm Coleman.

Klobuchar said the GI money "shouldn't be tied up in red tape," and Coleman said it's "simply irresponsible to deny education benefits to those soldiers who just completed the longest tour of duty of any unit in Iraq."

Anderson said the soldiers he oversaw in his platoon expected that money to be here when they come home.

"I had 23 guys under my command," Anderson said. "I promised to take care of them. And I'm not going to end taking care of them when this deployment is over, and it's not over until this is solved."

The Army did not respond questions Tuesday afternoon.

Senators Klobuchar and Coleman released a joint statement saying the Army secretary, Pete Geren, is looking into this personally, and they say Geren asked a review board to expedite its review so the matter could be solved by next semester.

Minnesota National Guard spokesman Lt. Col. Kevin Olson said the soldiers are "victims of a significant injustice."


NBC

Bill_the_Pony
10-07-2007, 11:19 AM
As infuriating and saddening this is, it's not surprizing at all. We've already seen the humiliations and lack of care that wounded soldiers face returning home from Iraq. (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17316437/site/newsweek/)

But the head cheezes promise "full investigations", so everything is going to be just fine. :rolleyes: :mad:

Do we even want to add what is happening with the recently vetoed Children's Health Insurance Program? (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=aqRl1b4yDHyM&refer=us) :mad:

For any of the Neo-Cons to abuse the word values in this day and age is an atrocity. :upyours:

Kaeos
10-07-2007, 01:26 PM
Umm..


1) I agree. Completely and absolutely with both of you. It's simple. Niether side owns patriotism. We own it. All of us.

That's it. All I had to say.

Thanks.

UNCLEagent
10-07-2007, 01:38 PM
Well, I certainly don't mean for my comments to be about an us vs. them, red vs. blue or dems vs. reps.

The simple fact is - the troops are being shat upon - and it's not even a careless oversight or a case of being blindly lost in a bureacractic maze. It's a blatant, deliberate and hostile move to deny these guys a decent education benefit to which they should absolutely be entitled to.

I'm not really worried that they won't get it. Politicians will get this one passed (naive optimism kicking in - must learn to squash that).

It's leaving me absolutely stunned that somebody - ANYBODY - would process their orders in the fashion it was done, and sit back and think that they were indeed doing the 'right' thing. And more troubling, not just one person, but many people.

(apparently - not done ranting)

Kaeos
10-07-2007, 03:40 PM
No, no no, it wasn't read that way (at least by me:D ) at all sir!

If nothing else, you statements are inceteful and it's rare these days for anyone to take this stand in public and NOT try to attribute it to one side or the other.

Hense my comment which more than anything else was meant to bolster yours. *thumbs up chief!*

Bill_the_Pony
10-07-2007, 03:46 PM
And where's MY THUMBS UP?! :mad: (Bitch?)

Kaeos
10-07-2007, 04:17 PM
http://www.empyron.com/vr/images/smilies/xtra/thumbsup.gif


Das for you William. :D

Bill_the_Pony
10-07-2007, 05:14 PM
Very well. :smirk:

That's a big thumb. :)


Back to the administration bashing! :mad:

Bill_the_Pony
10-07-2007, 07:47 PM
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Space Tycoon
10-07-2007, 08:18 PM
Well, at least they were thoughtful enough to leave Article III untouched.







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Bill_the_Pony
10-07-2007, 09:05 PM
Yes, now it's the Leaflet of Right, Until Further Notice. :smirk:

neglet
10-08-2007, 09:12 AM
I agree that this denial of benefits to returning national guard troops because of coming up one day short is disgusting (and most likely the one-day shortfall wasn't accidental). The problems many vets are having getting medical and psychological treatment are also well-documented and shameful.

I do wonder, what most people think they personally should be doing to "support the troops." I've been watching Ken Burns' "The War" and seeing how the whole country chipped in with work programs, rationing, and war bonds to support the war effort. The late historian David Halberstam said his biggest disappointment with the whole post-9/11 war efforts is that no one has asked the average citizen to make any sacrifice. (And if they'd asked us on September 12th, who could have said no?)

So I wonder: what would you be willing to do, or pay, or give up to contribute to the war effort? Besides the thousands of physically wounded vets, there are countless thousands of vets returning who will be left psychologically scarred from the war. We owe it to them to pay for treatment, education, and get them reintegrated into the community. I'd be willing to pay a "war tax" on gas, a few cents per gallon, for example. What would you be willing to do?

Kaeos
10-08-2007, 12:23 PM
David Halberstam said his biggest disappointment with the whole post-9/11 war efforts is that no one has asked the average citizen to make any sacrifice. (And if they'd asked us on September 12th, who could have said no?)

So I wonder: what would you be willing to do, or pay, or give up to contribute to the war effort?

I consider myself to be somewhere between a conspiracy theorist and a conciencous objector. Bottom line is I do not believe we are in a legitimate war so my answer to this specifi question is, nothing.

And with the state of the American economic machine, I don't beleive any investment of personal sacrifice by and common American is necessary to help returning soldiers cope with the physical and psychological damage they have suffered. There is enough money there to pay for it already, but our "leaders" just don't want to spend it that way.

They'd rather pour BILLIONS and BILLIONS of our country's money down the toilet and into the pockets of war monger corporations to fund this war and keep the thing going (here's where the conspiracy boy steps forward)

It is my belief in my heart that the entire conflict was, has and will continue to be manufactured by this administration for the purpose of keeping George HW Bush as a Wartime President.

Those of us that have family members coming back after being used as cannon fodder pawn by the government OBVIOUSLY need help to care for them and keep them safe and whole if they should be so lucky as to return. Current estimates...yes estimates, since no one really knows the exact # have the current spending on this war at somewhere just above $400,000,000,000.00.

And according to the party in power, our economy is strong and we need to lower taxes. So there's obviously enough money to go around. Yet something as simply as keeping the country's single most prominent military verteran's hospital, Walter Reed is an afterthought though it would only take an estimated $2,000,000. to make it a state of the art, top notch facility.

Nope. Sorry, when I see our nation's money squandered on bullshit, I refuse to bear the burden. Our "leaders" have enough money to play Middle East Monopoly with. They don't need mine.

Still Crazy
10-08-2007, 12:43 PM
Well, at least they were thoughtful enough to leave Article III untouched.
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wait.

I sort of agree with Kaeos here, but there is a difference. If I knew raising my taxes would help vets or kids, I'd be all for it. But the fact is my tax money is going to neither now, and won't until we have another election. It all goes to the made up war effort put on by Bush and co. This is all he and his lap dogs care about. I support our troops. But I do not and will not support the Emperor with No Brain. George W. Bush is the. worst. president. ever. It will take decades to fix his mistakes, that is if there is anything left to fix. We are in for a reckoning here in the US and it isn’t gonna be pretty.

I just think about 9 years ago here in the US....:headscratch: Things we had then, and what we have now. Somebody needs to give Bush a blow job so we can impeach him.

UNCLEagent
10-08-2007, 08:12 PM
The late historian David Halberstam said his biggest disappointment with the whole post-9/11 war efforts is that no one has asked the average citizen to make any sacrifice.


I have to disagree with this liberal piece of revisionism. I distinctly recall Americans being told to do their Patriotic duty and shop for the good of America.

neglet
10-09-2007, 04:47 AM
I have to disagree with this liberal piece of revisionism. I distinctly recall Americans being told to do their Patriotic duty and shop for the good of America.

:lol:

Yeah, but unfortunately we've been going to Wal-Mart and buying cheap Chinese imports.

Space Tycoon
10-09-2007, 04:59 AM
Well, they had to have some incentive to keep financing the national debt...







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