NFL offseason stories

[omicron]

Well since we aren't really talking about Superbowls anymore, I created a new thread for offseason stuff.

1)Draft. Who goes where? Reggie Bush or Vince Young to Texans?
2)Injured QBs. Should Pennington take a paycut? Should the Chargers let go of Brees? What about Culpepper?
3)RBs. Edge, Jamal Lewis, and Alexander could all be free agents. Edge averages 1300yds a year and 11tds a year. Jamal had a 2000yd year. Alexander is the NFL record holder for most TDs in a season. Who wouldn't want one of these guys on your team? Not to mention White, Bush, Willams and Malroney available to draft.
4)Troublemakers. Where will TO end up at? Miami? Denver? Dallas? And what about Ricky 'Ganja-Man' Williams? Will he play again?

Let's hear your thoughts, people!

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[omicron]

ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2345831)

Vikings owner Zygi Wilf told reporters Saturday at the NFL scouting combine that the team planned to pay Culpepper a $6 million roster bonus he is scheduled to receive March 17, the Star Tribune and Pioneer Press both reported.

[omicron]

ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2345050)

Still, Colts president Polian believes there is a "50-50" chance of James coming back to Indy.

From what I heard on the morning sports shows, basically they are hoping that the market for RBs will be low this year, so that he can't get more as a FA. Still, there's a chance he would still leave for being 'disrespected' because the Colts made sure Harrison/Manning/Wayne etc got their big contracts.

Omi

[omicron]

From Peter King's MMQB (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/peter_king/02/26/mmqb/3.html)

9. I think if you want to know what the Indianapolis Colts think of Edgerrin James' entering free agency, nothing can tell you better than this quote from GM Bill Polian on Saturday, concerning the Colts' free agent plans: "Reggie Wayne was priority one, Raheem Brock priority two. Now that we've got those guys done, now we turn to Edgerrin and David Thornton.'' Is that a diss or what? Raheem Brock a bigger priority than Edgerrin James? Edge, that tells you everything you need to know about your future, buddy.

Sounds like Edge will be running in the scarlet and white of Arizona next year :)

[omicron]

It's going to be $95M.

Teams with most room:
1. Minnesota: $24.1 million
2. Arizona: $23.6 million
3. Green Bay: $20.7 million
4. Cleveland: $20.1 million
5. San Diego: $17.4 million
6. San Francisco: $16.5 million
7. Baltimore: $16.1 million
8. Seattle: $15.7 million
9. Jacksonville: $15.3 million
10. Cincinnati: $14.0 million
11. St. Louis: $11.1 million
12. New Orleans: $10.5 million

Teams in Trouble:
Raiders are 29M over the cap. Others are Kansas City ($120.2 million), Washington ($120.2), Denver ($119.6 million), Tampa Bay ($109.6 million), Tennessee ($109.5 million) and Atlanta ($108.0 million).

Omi

[Cuchulainn]

So what does everyone think of Young's reported Wonderlic score of 6 (out of 50)? Casserly, the Texans general manager, says that that reported score is inaccurate and he was told by a "source good enough for me to stand up here to quote it." Although that doesn't really say much. What was his real score a 7? Is this Casserly just defending the person that will be his number one pick? What does everyone think? Do you think the Wonderlic test even means amything?

Myself, while the Wonderlic isn't the be all end all, if Young really did score a 6 I think it means you can't just throw him in as the starting QB his first because it'll probable take him a few years to learn everything he'll need to know.

[omicron]

Cuch, I mentioned that in the NFL draft thread :) Personally, I don't think it's that big of a deal. Other great QBs have scored in the low teens, 'intelligence' doesn't always relate to playing ability, and often athletes simply blow off these tests.

Still, if you can only get a 6, don't think I'll be asking you for advice on how to finish a crossword puzzle. :D

Omi

[omicron]

If all goes well with the owners and the players association, the cap could be around 108M, up from 85.5M last season. If no agreement is reached, then the cap would be 95/96M.

Omi

[omicron]

ESPN.com (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2349497)

NEW YORK -- Chad Pennington wants to stay with the New York Jets and hopes to come to an agreement with the team on a renegotiated contract.

Omi

[omicron]

Some big names were cut even before the salary cap has been decided.

IMO, some of the biggest names were Mike Anderson from Denver(although Shanahan seems to be able to find 1000yd rushers ANYWHERE!), Stephen Davis from Carolina, Jeb Putzier from Denver, Sam Madison from Miami, and Lawyer Milloy from Buffalo.

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http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2351462

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http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/peter_king/03/01/labor.deal.qa/index.html

Omi

[omicron]

Welp, the FA deadline has been moved back to Thursday so owners and union reps can meet here in Dallas for more talks.

Shaun Alexander resigns with Seattle, so he's not going anywhere.

Issac Bruce and Kerry Collins are released.

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[omicron]

Well, I think the biggest move is Edge to Arizona. (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2365467) Personally, I don't think this is going to be that great for him. Arizona was abysmal running the ball last year, and I don't think Edge is going to improve it that much. I will bet he doesn't get over 1100yds next year.

Jamal Lewis resigns with Baltimore (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2366529). With them signing Mike Anderson (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2366084), I thought they would let him go.

Antwaan Randle El signed in Washington (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2365504) and will join Brandon Lloyd there. Not an exactly statuesque group of WRs: Randle El measures 5 feet 10 inches and 192 pounds. Moss is 5-10, 185; Patten 5-10, 190; and Lloyd 6 feet, 184. Isaac Bruce (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2362534) returned to the Rams after all.

Some of the biggest names I think that are still out there are Drew Brees, who visited the Saints and will see the Dolphins; and Adam Vinateri, who I would love for the Cowboys to pick up. :)

Omi

[omicron]

Culpepper traded to Miami (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2368259), Brees signs in New Orleans (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2368304)

Well, this should affect the draft in some interesting ways. It's possible that Leinart might not end up in NO after all. This mean he'd probably end up in Tenn instead, and push Young and Cutler farther down the draft boards.

Oh, and just to make Negs happy, Lions get Jon Kitna (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2368184) :D

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[neglet]

Oh, and just to make Negs happy, Lions get Jon Kitna (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2368184) :D

Oh, goody goody gumdrops! Now we can go on to the part of the Lions QB cycle where we look to a second-rate/past-his-prime free agent to be the starter after the new coach finally ditches the young top draft pick. (It'll be a toss-up between Kitna and Shaun King, whom the Pussycats also signed last week.) After two years of mediocrity, we'll waste a draft pick on another all-flash-no-substance QB like Andre Ware.

All the while the team will flirt with a .500 record, never being quite crap enough to get that top draft pick and use it for a Young or Bush or Leinart. (Charles Rogers--well worth the #2 pick in 2003, which is why the Lions just signed yet another WR, Corey Bradford of Houston.:angry )

Aggggh. At least as a Lions fan, I'll always have something to bitch about.:ohwell:

[Cuchulainn]

Culpepper traded to Miami (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2368259), Brees signs in New Orleans (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2368304)

Well, this should affect the draft in some interesting ways. It's possible that Leinart might not end up in NO after all. This mean he'd probably end up in Tenn instead, and push Young and Cutler farther down the draft boards.

Oh, and just to make Negs happy, Lions get Jon Kitna (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2368184) :D

Omicron

Actually, the big thought right now is that NO will trade their #2 pick to the Jets (for thier #4 pick). Then the Jets would take Leinart and the Saints would take Mario Williams to replace Darren Howard.

[omicron]

Keyshawn cut from Cowboys (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2368544)

As a Cowboys fan, this scares me silly. I really think they are going to get TO. I would rather go 0-16 than have that asshole on the team. Unfortunately, I think I am in a minority there.

Omi

[omicron]

TO signs with Cowboys ( http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2374189)

As I said before, I am not real thrilled about this. I think he's a cancer and ****tard. However, if he plays to his ability, you can't deny his talents. I foresee some interesting times this year down here in Big D.

Omi

[Asonokirk V 2.0]

TO signs with Cowboys ( http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2374189)

As I said before, I am not real thrilled about this. I think he's a cancer and ****tard. However, if he plays to his ability, you can't deny his talents. I foresee some interesting times this year down here in Big D.

Omi

I've always liked TO, but I think he handled his situation with Philly badly. Sometimes personnel just don't fit together, and with a football team chemistry is a more important factor than it might be with some other sports, since players are frequently asked to sacrifice their bodies for each other.

I feel TO will fit in better with Jerry Jones and the Cowboys.

[omicron]

The Detroit Lions are parting ways with Joey Harrington after four turbulent seasons in which the former third overall draft pick went from franchise savior to fans' scourge.
(http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2376833)

Can't say I'm surprised. He's done nothing with the oppurtunities he's had there. Plus a grown man shouldn't be known by the name 'Joey'. :)

Omi

[omicron]

NFL commissioner Tagliabue to retire in July (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2376850)

Good job by the man, he's led the NFL to becoming one of the biggest professional sports leagues in the world. He's prevented labor strife and over 2/3rds of the teams in the league are playing in stadiums that didn't exist when he began in 1989.

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[omicron]

If you hear a heart-wrenching, soul-splitting cry of despair from deep in the heart of Texas, you'll know why.

Cowboys inquire about Harrington (http://www.cowboysplus.com/topstorync/stories/032906cpharrington.6e01c060.html)

Negs, I know your pain now :)

Omi

[neglet]

Negs, I know your pain now :)

Omi

Riiiight. You know my pain because your NFL franchise has won only one playoff game since Super Bowl began, and their last championship happened before you were born, barely within your own parents' memories.

Yeah, right, you feel my pain.:angry

Still ... I'm sure you'd love Joey Harrington and his happy feet. :smirk:

[The Sym]

If you hear a heart-wrenching, soul-splitting cry of despair from deep in the heart of Texas, you'll know why.

Cowboys inquire about Harrington (http://www.cowboysplus.com/topstorync/stories/032906cpharrington.6e01c060.html)

Negs, I know your pain now :)

Omi



YEAAAAAAAAAAAAA, because I hate the cowgirls. :smirk:

[omicron]

*whew* looks like he's going somewhere else. Dallas isn't even mentioned in this article (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2394997).


Omi

[omicron]

Looks like he's going to play in 2006. Too bad the Packers are gonna suck again. :smirk:

Omi

[omicron]

Speaking of the Packers, they signed Charles Woodson (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2423159)

Big mistake, this guy is injury-prone and hasn't had more than 1 int/yr since 2003. He hasn't played a full season since 2001.

Omi

[neglet]

Yeah, but when he's healthy he can shut down his side of the field. I know his health is a big if, but teams are so desperate for decent corners they'll take a risk like this one.

As for the ongoing Joey Harrington saga, he's going to Miami if they and the Lions can swing a trade. Since the Dolphins have already traded half of this year's draft picks, they might deal a 2007 draft pick for him.

[omicron]

Bah, you're just defending Woodson cause he's a michigan boy :wink:

Omi

[neglet]

Maybe I'm a homer, but you can't deny the difference Woodson made in his rookie season. In 1997, the Raiders were 30th in the NFL in pass yds defense and 28th in interceptions, while in 1998, his rookie season, they ended up 4th in both categories. I'm sure there were other factors involved in the improvement, but he was a big factor.

Plus, like I said, teams are desperate for halfway decent CBs, injury-prone or not. Maybe the Pack should have shelled out the bucks for Ty Law instead? :wink:

[omicron]

Cmon negs, that's a weak arguement. Yeah, 10 years ago, he was good.

Let's compare:

2004
G Tckl Ast Sacks Int
13 58.0 15 2.5 1
2005
G Tckl Ast Sacks Int
6 27 4 0 1

GB's starting CBs are Ahmad Carroll and Al Harris:
2005
G Tckl Ast Sacks Int
16 44 3 2 1
and
16 46 7 3 3

You're telling me Woodson is better than that? :rolleyes: :)

And honestly, why are we arguing about the Packers anyways? :lol: They should have just told Brett to shut up and sit down. Do they really need a 37yr old QB with a rating of 70.9? :)

Omi

[Adam54]

So, Packer talk aside (because in Minnesota, who really wants to read that?)....

have the Colts signed a running back yet? Are there any rumors flying around about them signing/trading/drafting somebody?

Edge is going to suck it up in Arizona, don't get me wrong, but he'll be greatly missed in Indy, and I don't think Dominic Rhodes is *quite* the caliber Edgerrin was. It'll be greatly concerning to me if they don't..well..a trade would be better at this point. Who's left on the market, Steven Davis? Pfft...

Though if they draft Maroney this weekend.......*salivates*

[neglet]

Cmon negs, that's a weak arguement. Yeah, 10 years ago, he was good.

Let's compare:

2004
G Tckl Ast Sacks Int
13 58.0 15 2.5 1
2005
G Tckl Ast Sacks Int
6 27 4 0 1

GB's starting CBs are Ahmad Carroll and Al Harris:
2005
G Tckl Ast Sacks Int
16 44 3 2 1
and
16 46 7 3 3

You're telling me Woodson is better than that? :rolleyes: :)

Looks to me that when Woodson is healthy (2004), teams don't throw to his side of the field as much, and he's quick enough to get in on lots more tackles than the other CBs. If you look closely at those statistics, he had at least 20 more tackles/assists than those other two CBs, playing in three fewer games. So it depends how you define better, and what you want out of your CBs. If a coach isn't too confident in his line, he might want a DB who can come up and tackle, as well as make INTs.

But mainly I'm telling you that teams are so desperate for CBs who won't get burned by speedy, tall WRs that they'll take a chance on someone who has shown that ability in the past, even if he's injury-prone or past his prime. Or from someplace other than Michigan. :smirks:

I'd sure hate to be a Packer fan right now. Is Favre past his prime? He's done so much for the team you can't deny him his place on the team, even if he is. Are there enough other players around him to make a difference this year? Will they stay healthy? It's much the same story with most second-tier NFL teams, except the Pack has a brand-name QB livening up the mix. After last year, we know for sure Favre can't do it on his own.

Now excuse me, as much as I love chatting about football, I've got to work. Big Ben is calling, and I'm getting paid to write about him. :D

[syphon2006]

Woodson helps the packers alot. The packers have had a sub par defense since Reggie White left. I think with the addition to Charles Woodson and Brett Favre coming back the packers will be able to compete with the rest of their weak division. Also if the packers trade Javon Walker they will get a good player or players and if he stays it makes them even better. Im waiting to see how the draft comes out, then football season gets off the back burner. :jump2:

[omicron]

AHnold not only wants nfl in south cali, he wants TWO (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2430018)

Hey govenator, no one in LA, SOCAL wants the NFL!! Hey, do the terms Raiders or Rams mean anything to you? It's been tried, and nobody showed.

Hate politicians getting involved in sports.....:romy:

Omi

[omicron]

NYJ WR Chrebet retires (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2467826)

Too bad, the guy was a great story and the ultimate underdog.

Omi

[Asonokirk V 2.0]

AHnold not only wants nfl in south cali, he wants TWO (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2430018)

Hey govenator, no one in LA, SOCAL wants the NFL!! Hey, do the terms Raiders or Rams mean anything to you? It's been tried, and nobody showed.

Hate politicians getting involved in sports.....:romy:

Omi

I was a Rams fan, and they were our team here in L.A. And then Georgia Frontiere became the owner, as her husband Carol Rosenbloom, more than 50 years older than her (you do the math), "drowned." He never meant for her to have control of the team, but she screwed his family and son being the greedy f'ng b*tch that she is. She then proceeded to screw up the team, and the fans, like me, hated her so much that we just couldn't root for the team like we had.

As for the Raiders, they came from somewhere else, but had a pretty good fan base here. We refer to both teams as the Scrams and the Traiders.

We want a team here, but we aren't stupid. The NFL tends to rape cities because their product is so much in demand, but here we are hip to that tactic, and we won't have a team until the city isn't being fleeced. That's why we don't have one now, because the NFL thinks it can make L.A. pay through the nose. We just won't.

I would LOVE for the Arizona Cardinals to move here so I could root for them, but we'll see what happens in the future.

As for now, it is kinda cool, as everyone can just root for who they want, so I'm a Falcons fan for now.

[omicron]

From Peter King (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/peter_king/06/05/mmqb/2.html)

Vegas must like my Super Bowl pick, even though very few of you did. According to Bodog Sportsbook, the Cowboys are the NFC co-favorites (with Seattle) at 10-1 to win Super Bowl XLI. The only teams with shorter odds: Indy, at 13-2, and New England, at 15-2.

Omi

[omicron]

Not really important, but made me say OUCH:

Mario Williams, DE - Texans
June 7, 3:03 p.m.

Williams will be sidelined for the rest of the week after having the toenails on both of his big toes removed. Williams had the procedure done on Monday after struggling with infections because of problems with his toenails.


:eek:

Omi

[neglet]

Definitely OUCH and important:

Roethlisberger involved in motorcycle crash. (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2480830) Evidently the injuries aren't life-threatening, but he was reportedly riding without a helmet and hit a car windshield with his head.

Dang, I knew his contract only allowed him to ride his Harley in the off-season, and prohibited him from things like sky-diving, ATVs, etc--but no helmet? What, the Steelers want him to start the season with a concussion?

[sickness]

He'd be lucky to get away with a concussion. When I was about 10, some dude on a motorcycle got t-boned by an ice cream truck that was going about 10 miles an hour. His head coated the pavement at the end of our street a deep shade of red for several years. This was pre-California Helmet Law days. Needless to say, the guy was dead as a doornail.

[fastcar]

http://espn-att.starwave.com/photo/2006/0612/nfl_a_roethlisbergerbike_275.jpg
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/photos/2006-06-12/0612benaccident4-a.jpg
The windshield damage was from his helmetless head.

Last report was the following

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Roethlisberger suffered a broken jaw, broke his left sinus cavity, suffered a 9-inch laceration to the back of his head, lost many teeth and has severe injuries to his knees from hitting the pavement.

http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/sports/9356237/detail.html
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2480830

PA changed the law back in 2003 allowing riders over the age of 21, along with other stipulations including experience and safety courses to ride without a helmet. This caused a big story last year before the season started with even [URL="http://tunesmith-anthony.com/?p=179"]Terry Bradshaw commenting on the issue. (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2480830)

So, of course, right after the accident, everybody said, "Terry predicted it!"


Should he have been riding the bike? No, not in the city, not that particular bike. Also, you have to think about who depends on you. Your coach, your employer, your teammates. If I come into work with my face all pierced and my hair purple. I will be in trouble. My job dictates how I should dress and look on the clock. Granted he's in the offseason, but Training Camp is next month.

Should have had on a helmet? Yes. It doesn't matter how experienced or cautious you are at riding. It's the other guy you have to worry about. Case in point. Ben did all the right things in this situation. Someone else caused the accident.

[neglet]

Actually, Coach Cowher warned him about riding the motorcycle last season after some wide receiver on another team (I forget who) was lost for the season after injuring his knee. Big Ben blew him off, essentially saying he was a safe driver and he'd be okay. I say if he can't play this season because of his injuries (and I know that's the least of his worries right now, I hope he has a speedy recovery), the Steelers shouldn't have to pay his salary.

[omicron]

Negs, that was Kellen Winslow Jr, a TE. :) Idiot was in a parking lot doing stoppies and wheelies 5 days after getting a temporary permit. :rolleyes:

I agree, the Steelers shouldn't have to pay. Of course, the Player's union would have a fit. What happened if a player was injured in a pickup game? Off-season fitness training? etc etc.

Personally, I think BB was an idiot. I always wore my lid when I rode. When I did go down (http://home.earthlink.net/~lrosati/wrecked.htm), the whole right chin was scrapped up. That would have been my jaw and cheek if I wasn't wearing a helmet. Wish I would have been wearing gloves, because road rash on the palm of your hand is NO fun.

You know, they say there's 2 kinds of bikers: those who have wrecked, and those who haven't wrecked YET.

Then again, if I was 24, had millions of dollars, and just won a superbowl, I guess I would think my shit didn't stink either. :)

Omi

[sickness]

A pick-up game should be played easy but I can definitely see your point about off-season fitness training. The worst thing those guys can do is stop working out so I consider it part of their job. But this motorcycle stuff definitely deserves no pay if it takes him out for the season. I'm surprised it's not already written into his contract.

[neglet]

Well, I know there's a prohibition against jetskiing, snowmobiling, and ATV riding in his contract, as well as a ban on the motorcycle during the season. There could be language about riding and/or wearing the helmet during the offseason--butif there isn't, whoever drew up the contract is certainly regretting the lack of it now.

Still, for his sake I hope he heals quickly over the next three months so the point is moot. Fracturing your face is no minor matter--I hope he recovers so he can make PSAs about wearing helmets, motorcycle or bike.

[fastcar]

The irony in it all was that all of Ben's most threatening injuries were do to the lack of helmet. Broken Jaw, Broken facial bones, 9 inch laceration.

His kness were downgraded to just some scrapes and bruising.

[sickness]

Well, I know there's a prohibition against jetskiing, snowmobiling, and ATV riding in his contract, as well as a ban on the motorcycle during the season. There could be language about riding and/or wearing the helmet during the offseason--butif there isn't, whoever drew up the contract is certainly regretting the lack of it now.

Still, for his sake I hope he heals quickly over the next three months so the point is moot. Fracturing your face is no minor matter--I hope he recovers so he can make PSAs about wearing helmets, motorcycle or bike.
The fractured sinus is going be a bitch on him and I'd bet it doesn't even fully heal until at least the end of the season. Broken noses and cracked sinuses happen to NBA players from time to time and they end up playing with a plastic mask for an entire season. I certainly don't need to remind anyone familiar with Detroit about Bill Lambier (was that his name? I may have forgotten... anyway, the white dude on the team in the late 80's and early 90's). And there was another guy who wore one last season.

[neglet]

Oo, good memory there--you're remembering Bill Laimbeer, center for the Pistons championship teams of '89 and '90. He wasn't extremely athletic, but got the job done--we used to joke that instead of "Air Jordans," he wore "Floor Laimbeers." He did wear a mask one season; and Rip Hamilton, currently shooting guard for the Pistons, wears one permanently. I think his nose has been broken so many times that the doctors said if he breaks it again, there's not enough left to rebuild it--that's why the mask stays on every game.

Not sure if Roethlisberger would need a mask within a helmet, since the face guard might be enough to protect him--but maybe he'll have learned a little caution when it comes to protecting his head.

[sickness]

The mask would be pointless with a helmet but the broken sinus would be a hell of a lot bigger problem to someone who will get tackled at least a few times per game than someone who risks getting an inadvertant elbow when going for the ball on a rebound. Ben is gonna get rocked at least a few times per game. Some lines are so good that their QB may not get sacked more than once per game, but there will still be a few hits put on a QB protected by even the best line and Ben is gonna feel it every time. Maybe that'll be sufficient incentive to ride with a helmet in the future.

[neglet]

Big Ben is one lucky fella. ESPN reports (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2482701) he shouldn't miss any of the regular season because of his injuries, although he will likely suffer weight loss and conditioning problems because of the broken jaw. He should be able to report to training camp in July, and maybe even play in later preseason games.

I hope that helmet PSA is coming by then.

[omicron]

Was reading around and preparing my FFB draft spreadsheet and came upon this tongue-in-cheek datum.

Sure, Kitna is not an accurate passer. But Detroit's receivers run very imprecise routes. The combination could results in tons of coincidental completions.


:wink: to Negs :lol:

Omi

[neglet]

It's great to be a Lions fan.






Now, where did I leave my paper bag?

[Son of Gilbert]

Try to be a Raiders Fan. They play worse than Al Davis looks and thats one ugly man.