You know, I stop by here every couple of weeks to lurk, & one thing always amazes me.

[SlamShut]

I don't see a single fucking Ron Paul thread in this forum. Ever. Not even once.

You people have no idea how lucky you are, as a forum. Seems like every other forum and interactive site that I go to (such as Digg) is either crawling with Ron Paul yo-yos constantly ramming their shit up in your face, or has at least one or two misguided regulars yammering on and on about how Ron Paul is our only hope and Ron Paul is great and Ron Paul's poopies smell like fresh-baked snickerdoodles.

And yet you guys seem to have somehow evaded this particular brand of idiocy.

You're quite fortunate.

[And if, by some chance, there are some Ron Paul loonies here who I've just missed on my occasional lurky visits, and one of them is reading this, well... you really need to shut the fuck up. Seriously. And find some of your other naive little crusader buddies, and tell them to shut the fuck up, too.]

Yeah.

[spammityspam]

I do have this to say for Ron Paul: his "revolution" signs with the "love" backwards are cool. Every time I see one I go "for a crazy person, he sure has great designers."

That and the guy who runs the Ron Paul booth in the rally square at school is really, really attractive, even if I know he's probably completely nuts.

[Bark]

It's a conspiracy. Jakester and I colluded to kill all political threads here by just drowning them out with sexually related topics. :D

[Bill_the_Pony]

What the hell is this Ron Paul related thread doing here? :Angry:


Thanks a lot, Slammo. :Tongue:

[Nostromo]

What the hell is this Ron Paul related thread doing here? :Angry:


Thanks a lot, Slammo. :Tongue:


Fraking Dradis was down for maintenance Bill. Won't happen again. :o

Hey ... didn't Perot get 18% of the popular vote after the electorate figured out he was off his rocker. N

[tstone]

Space is our local RP booster. But he seems to have been asleep at the switch of late.

[Jakester]

Who the fuck is Ron Paul? Sounds like a porn guy, but I've never heard of him.

[UNCLEagent]

I thought Ron Paul was a transvestite? :headscratch:

Here in Portland we're over-run with our very own blend of kool-aid drinkers. Dennis Kuccinich is the darling for the local nut-jobs.

I myself can't decide between Huckabee or Obama.

[omicron]

yeah, political discussion really fell off when Spacey was banned/left in a huff.

Me? I don't care about politics. It's like choosing if I want to get kicked in the right nut or the left nut. Either choice, I'm getting kicked in the balls.

Although Kuccinich does have a hottie redhead wife.

[UNCLEagent]

Space was but the last straw.

You'd think this season would be ripe for good 'ol political posting/debating/flaming... but alas...nope.


1) We first off, had the flaming (which I thought was good - to a point) squashed, monitored, regulated, controlled to the point that most anybody feels like talking about here is .... well.... a series of hellos in an echo chamber.

Counterpoint: Jane, you ignorant slut. It was that very flaming you miss that actually drove away all debate. We used to have quality political debaters like TStone, Leiter, kradey, Bladelover, Space, spiderr987 (he WAS funny - admit it!) DaF and more. To hear some argue, it was the divisiness, nastiness, personall mud-slinging and disrespect that drove them all away.

I would agree, except that I will argue passions generate heat. And sometimes it gets nasty.

So now that everybody is being nice and respectful, what have we got left?


2) From my own personal experience (and maybe others here of the same political bent) there once was a Faith; a Belief. I for one - believed - we had a hope in Iraq. That they wouldn't LIE to us. We wouldn't dare send our own into harm's way without the simplest fucking plan that a third grade social studies major could understand...

I am sickened that every leading story has some reference to our market indicators. A woman's death in Pakistan is measured against the Dow. A fucking pussycat jumps a cage and it's the lead story here in Portland ("COULD IT HAPPEN HERE????!!!!") The Season is measured a success - or failure - based on our consumption of shit goods.

There are those who have debated me, saying I was naive; that I wasn't paying attention to all the 'facts' outlined. I disagree - those who KNEW the outcome (IMHO) were merely playing the odds. Nobody had a crystal ball. My personal stake in the Forum of years past goes deeper than that. I actually had a Faith that sometimes Good happens - that it is okay (no... a MUST) to Believe. That the default setting in Human nature isn't always corruption, fear, greed and deception. I am learning otherwise - and adjusting my outlook in life accordingly.

In my camp right now, I see little I can debate, defend or support.


3. Who's got time anymore?

[chemikillgod]

Whatever.

This thread is already pissing me the FUCK OFF and it's the first political one we have.

I'm not actually a hardcore Ron Paul or Dennis Kucinich supporter nor do I even follow it as closely as some folks and at the end of the day I don't really give a shit because I think the system is pointless but being annoyed at PEOPLE FOR BEING PASSIONATE about the fucking shitty way our government is being manhandled right now and wanting some sort of change, NO MATTER HOW SLIM the chances, is FUCKING RETARDED. You know, fuck you.

I suppose we've turned a fucking corner when you get irritated at grassroots supporters, where people are actually interested on needing some action, on solutions, rather than FUCKING political bullshit double-speak that we get from our normal candidates. You know, you're supposed to have a wide array of choices and not just what two sides of the what is just the same party want you to choose.

Ugh. Fucking bullshit.

[UNCLEagent]

Fucking A!!!!

[spammityspam]

There's nothing wrong with people being passionate, but the thing is, passion is a dangerous thing, especially politically. You know what the best thing for the country would be? Some boring moderate president that no one could get behind because he'd have the personality of a cardboard box. But you can't run around with that guy waving pitchforks and shouting "be reasonable!" Law may be reason free from passion, but the only way to get people politically active is to be passionate, despite the fact that passion almost always represents an unrealistic, one-sided stand that's going to end up hurting somebody.

And there is something wrong with people being passionate about Ron Paul. He's crazy. Yeah, it's great that people are interested in politics, but it's kind of like when chemistry teachers get kids interested in building bombs in their backyards. It's a good sentiment in the wrong direction. Because he's crazy.

Not all change is good, and it's not the brightest thing in the universe to get behind somebody who's just saying he's going to change things and doesn't elaborate. Yeah, the system is fucked. Yeah, we're in deep shit. But it could be a lot deeper than it is, and while that's no reason to keep going down the same path, it's sure as fuck not a reason to jump on whatever crazy train happens to be rocketing by. Ron Paul would change things, that's for sure. He'd remove a lot of the privacy and personal rights of American citizens, destroy the education system, and withdraw us from the UN, our one feeble pretension that we care what the rest of the globe thinks of us and don't want to throw down with every country who'd give it a go. Forgive me for not preferring that to the semblance of balance we have now.

[SlamShut]

Whatever.

This thread is already pissing me the FUCK OFF and it's the first political one we have.

I'm not actually a hardcore Ron Paul or Dennis Kucinich supporter nor do I even follow it as closely as some folks and at the end of the day I don't really give a shit because I think the system is pointless but being annoyed at PEOPLE FOR BEING PASSIONATE about the fucking shitty way our government is being manhandled right now and wanting some sort of change, NO MATTER HOW SLIM the chances, is FUCKING RETARDED. You know, fuck you.


What's that? Did I wake you up, fucker? Piss you off? ARE YOU GETTING FUCKING MAD?

FEELS FUCKING GOOD, DOESN'T IT?

Now you're in SlamShut Country.

*belch*

Cocks.

Okay, now to blather on-- yeah, okay, grassroots. Passion. Activism. Communitarianarianismarism. Good stuff. But like Spammity said, Ron Paul? That guy's fucking crazy. He's a backasswards fundie racist jugfucker whose answer to everything is "deregulation." Simple answer to a thousand complex problems. He wants more power to go back to the states. Yeah, so shitbrained state legislatures can do shit like outlaw abortion and repeal child labor laws. Think state government needs more power? Go to the DMV sometime this week and spend an hour or three trying to renew your license in person. If wallowing in that fucking quagmire doesn't erase your faith in the power of state government, well, then you're too fucking naive for words.

But you know what? It's not even Ron Paul that really bothers me. He's as crazy as a shithouse rat, but I actually kind of like that (go figure, huh?). To me, Ron Paul is kind of like The Grateful Dead. Know any Deadheads? I know they're a dying breed now that Jerry hippied himself to death and the rest of the members have spun off into a gaggle of who-gives-a-shit, but bear with me-- did you know any Deadheads when the Dead were still around? The Dead were actually sort of a pleasant band to listen to, but hanging out with a Deadhead would make you want to punch a baby in the face. You can't tell a Deadhead you don't like the Dead, not unless you feel like signing up for an oral seminar about why you're wrong which will last the rest of your fucking life.

Same with Ron Paul. Different from, say, an Obama supporter. Obama's not your man? Too bad. Tell a Paulbot you don't like Paul? Fucking christ, you just earned a ticket to a series of keening speeches about how Ron Paul is "our last hope" and "the one who can save us," and "." And the political inexperience and naivete of the Ron Paul "movement" is fucking shocking. I witnessed a discussion on Digg a few weeks ago from some of his supporters who were practically fucking moved to tears by this ignorant piece of blogshit about how Ron Paul returned a check to a donator who wrote it from his business checking account, because *sob wheeze tears of admiration* Ron Paul is too noble and pure to accept financial endorsements from businesses. JESUS WEEZERSQUEEZING CHRIST, ASSHOLES, HE RETURNED IT BECAUSE IT'S FUCKING ILLEGAL FOR [i]ANY CANDIDATE TO TAKE CAMPAIGN MONEY FROM A FUCKING BUSINESS.

And the whole 'grassroots' campaign is like that. It's just fucking drenched in this pall of naive, my-first-election ignorance. It's fucking sickening. They're all drawn in by Ron Paul and his bullshit aw-shucks kuntry-doctorin' medicine show. His fucking one solution for all the problems. And now it's all smeared over with this red-white-and-blue uber-patriotic flags and eagles bullshit. It should make you fucking sick. This is the solution to that fucking retard in the White House and his smirking court magician? This? This fucking crazy hillbilly?

HAVEN'T WE FUCKING HAD ENOUGH HILLBILLIES IN THE WHITE HOUSE LATELY?

WELL HAVEN'T WE?

[UNCLEagent]

Fucking A!!

[Sgt. Awesome]

How's it going, eh?

I've pretty much figured out that I should just stop paying attention to American politics because I've learnt that whoever you elect will do a cock-up job of it. Pun intended in Mr. ex-pres Clinton.

Not saying that our guys are much better... we're still trying to figure out who we want running the country and it's currently none of the options.

At least we don't take a week to figure out who the President is though.

[sickness]

A week? SHE-IT! Try 6!

By the way, the statement that we need a boringly moderate President that everyone could get behind makes me ask, "well, then why the fuck didn't we elect Al Gore?!"

[southpaw]

A week? SHE-IT! Try 6!

By the way, the statement that we need a boringly moderate President that everyone could get behind makes me ask, "well, then why the fuck didn't we elect Al Gore?!"



I thought we did.

[sickness]

3 of 4 methods that would realistically be used to count an election gave it to Dumbya. And that is according to the "liberal" media.

[Jakester]

The first time was a ripoff. The second time...we deserved what we got.

[Sgt. Awesome]

He's a werrr Preserdent! Werepresident? Does he turn into a respectable leader at the full moon?

[Bark]

Between politics and dick jokes, I'll talk about dick jokes. It's the same subject without the b.s.

[spammityspam]

Okay, I have many things about George W., but the biggest one right now is the presence of all those "W: The President" stickers on cars. And I saw a T-SHIRT the other day at the gas station! A T-SHIRT. IT JUST HAD A BIG W ON THE BACK.

Is there some message I'm not getting out of these? I don't understand them. Is it just to reinforce that he's the president? I thought we were all aware of that.

[Bill_the_Pony]

You're in Texas. :(

I was thinking of getting one of these, but I think too many people would only see the "W" part. :ohwell:

http://a199.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/5/l_5b31e0b03efd5f98c3f1b34e395d921e.jpg

[spammityspam]

Haha. I wore my "Republicans for Voldemort" shirt in Berkeley once and I got a lot of funny looks. Evidently the entire universe isn't as familiar with Harry Potter as I had previously supposed.

But this is what I'm talking about, directly from the George Bush Online Store (http://www.georgewbushstore.com/index.htm):

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b298/spamisnumba1/w.jpg

This one I guess came out after the 2004 election:

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b298/spamisnumba1/wstill.gif

This one just confuses me:

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b298/spamisnumba1/wthenandnow.gif

And AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH:

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b298/spamisnumba1/wyouthromper.jpg

[Jakester]

I think they're to remind Dubya of his job -- he gets distracted easily.

[omicron]

You know, all the tin-foil-hat wearers see shit like that and are convinced it's just propaganda to further brainwash the masses so they don't get up in arms when Bush repeals the 22nd amendment. :wink:

[Nostromo]

Let's see if Bloomberg makes it interesting in February. N

[sickness]

Bloomberg is automatically out in my book by virtue of saying over and over that he wouldn't run and his party shift was not for a potential run and that he would never consider leaving the mayoralty until his term was up and blah blah blah.

In the end, his late entrance is all about making a splash. In truth, he should already be out there expressing himself. Hit the road early and make your opinions known. I won't trust a President who campaigns for maximum publicity. Sure, it can help him get ahead in the polls but, in the end, it's about getting things done, not picking the right moment to maximize the number of people who know about and/or like your choice.

[Lavoruis]

I thought Oprah is running.?

[Jakester]

What? Oprah pays people to run for her. That's why she's fat.

[Nostromo]

http://bp0.blogger.com/_aJOuSEHfLaA/R3B2f4pvATI/AAAAAAAAAJo/xcZs7ltLH5c/s1600/BSG_Roslin_by_ratscape.jpg

[barqs]

I still don't know who Ron Paul is...

Spacey is gone?

[tstone]

2) From my own personal experience (and maybe others here of the same political bent) there once was a Faith; a Belief. I for one - believed - we had a hope in Iraq. That they wouldn't LIE to us. We wouldn't dare send our own into harm's way without the simplest fucking plan that a third grade social studies major could understand...



I must disagree with you, Unc. It wasn't just playing the odds. The clues were there right from the beginning that something was amiss. It started out with the fact that we invaded a country unprovoked. If this had been done by ANY other country, this would have at the very least raised eyebrows and probably much more. But too many of us bought into the idea of "American exceptionialism", that all we do is for the good, the ends justify the means, and that the rules don't really apply to us. Our "hearts" are in the right place.

Which is, across the board, horse pucky.

That first fact is what I couldn't get around. If we set or agree to a set standard of behavior as "good", as "civilized", and that we stand for "good", for "civilization", it's up to us to uphold it. If we are going to violate it, we'd better have a damn good reason.

One supportable from the get go, not a game of pin the rationale on the war.

Faith is great. But be very careful about what and whom one puts one's faith in.

I really don't think Bush did much to earn anyone's faith, right or left.

There are things, people and concepts worth putting one's faith in. But like anything truly worthwhile, you must be selective about it.