View Full Version : But she's my little sister...
KingVoyeur
02-28-2006, 03:35 PM
AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! My 19 year old freshman in college sister just told me she's engaged to her boyfriend of 5 months and is gonna get married in July. AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!:dunno: :eek: :confused: :( :rolleyes:
Will write more when I can form coherent thoughts...
sickness
02-28-2006, 03:47 PM
Let Jakester have a go at her and he'll turn her off to men for 10 years. :D
Kaeos
02-28-2006, 05:21 PM
Well....
All I can say is, I married my wife just before she turned 19. We had dated just under a year. (No, no surpise kids forced the issue)
That was eleven years ago.
Sometimes these things work, trust your sister dude.
Minion
02-28-2006, 06:49 PM
Tell her to move to Utah and convert her boyfriend to Mormonism. That way, he'll be pressured into going on a mission in some faraway country for two years, she'll be able to sit around at home and do as she pleases (like go to school like she should), and they can get married when he gets back.
You know....hoping he doesn't get killed or anything in Guam....
Minion: Just mean.
KingVoyeur
02-28-2006, 07:29 PM
Tell her to move to Utah and convert her boyfriend to Mormonism. That way, he'll be pressured into going on a mission in some faraway country for two years, she'll be able to sit around at home and do as she pleases (like go to school like she should), and they can get married when he gets back.
You know....hoping he doesn't get killed or anything in Guam....
Minion: Just mean.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: That would be funny if they weren't both already Mormon and he hadn't already been on his mission! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Sgt. Awesome
02-28-2006, 10:13 PM
OHSNAP!
Just let it roll out. Give them your best wishes, but not too much money. And make some general comment about his genitalia and a rusty saw if he gets her pregnant.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: That would be funny if they weren't both already Mormon and he hadn't already been on his mission! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:Perhaps that's an explanation? Are early marriages with minimal dating generally encouraged in Mormonism?
KingVoyeur
03-01-2006, 06:58 AM
Perhaps that's an explanation? Are early marriages with minimal dating generally encouraged in Mormonism?
I don't think so. I could be wrong though, I was raised Mormon too, but I haven't been to church since I was 13 (yeah I know, I'm going straight to hell), I do remember large families. Here's the deal with this whole engagement thing: I'm fine with the engagement. Hell, they can move in together if they want, I'd support that. But damnit, she's just a freshman, he's a sophomore, they really need to experience life a little more. I'd rather they got engaged, moved in together, then waited until they both graduated and can earn a living. That way, if they decide it won't work out, it'll just be a break-up instead of a divorce (my parents just decided to get divorced over Xmas after like 30 years of marriage, and I can't get married here, so I'm hating the whole institution right now) and it won't be as big a deal.
I feel your pain. SERIOUSLY!! See my thread about my idiot sister getting married. She's 24, but they've only been dating a month now, and the planning's been going on for 2 weeks already. I have to suffer through a sex-toy-bachlorette party for my sis with my mom. Be glad you're not me.
Honestly, I know EXACTLY how you are feeling. Would you like me to get rid of him for you?
KingVoyeur
03-01-2006, 07:02 AM
Honestly, I know EXACTLY how you are feeling. Would you like me to get rid of him for you?
Yeah, I saw your thread, did people make some kind of weird "I must get married ASAP" resolution at the beginning of the year? He's a nice guy though, at least I thought he was, but if he talked her into getting married that quickly maybe I was wrong. Keep your cement and shovels ready, just in case...
Bokchoi Cowboy
03-01-2006, 07:28 AM
I don't think so. I could be wrong though, I was raised Mormon too...
Sorry for the sister problem mate...but since you brought up the Mormon thing I just gotta ask:
What is up with the green jello?
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KingVoyeur
03-01-2006, 07:29 AM
Sorry for the sister problem mate...but since you brought up the Mormon thing I just gotta ask:
What is up with the green jello?
Wha.....? :dunno:
Bokchoi Cowboy
03-01-2006, 07:30 AM
Wha.....? :dunno:
Mormons are known for always having green jello at their food festivities.
Jakester
03-01-2006, 07:31 AM
Just send your sister (if hot, not necessarily alive) to me, and I'll teach her all about men. Stuff she never knew.
You and Bill take the fiance and teach him stuff about men. Stuff he never knew.
KingVoyeur
03-01-2006, 07:36 AM
Mormons are known for always having green jello at their food festivities.
I'm as perplexed as you are...
KingVoyeur
03-01-2006, 07:38 AM
Just send your sister (if hot, not necessarily alive) to me, and I'll teach her all about men. Stuff she never knew.
You and Bill take the fiance and teach him stuff about men. Stuff he never knew.
Leave it to Jakester to take a serious matter and figure out how he can get sex out of it. :poke:
Yeah, I saw your thread, did people make some kind of weird "I must get married ASAP" resolution at the beginning of the year? He's a nice guy though, at least I thought he was, but if he talked her into getting married that quickly maybe I was wrong. Keep your cement and shovels ready, just in case...
My uncle has a thing he does when my sis brings guys to visit. He takes a little walk with them, arm around the shoulders, and explains that if said guy hurts his niece, he has 5 acres and a shovel. He's about the biggest hick I know, but he's very protective of all us girls. A friend of his had another trick. When a guy would come to take out his daughter, he would explain that whatever the guy did to the daughter, the dad would do to him. He would then proceed to give the guy a huge kiss, and say it was in advance of the good night kiss. He would also mention that he just got out of prison, and he wasn't afraid to go back. It didn't hurt that he was big and burly with a ZZ Top beard.
Queen Mae
03-01-2006, 07:54 AM
My uncle has a thing he does when my sis brings guys to visit. He takes a little walk with them, arm around the shoulders, and explains that if said guy hurts his niece, he has 5 acres and a shovel. He's about the biggest hick I know, but he's very protective of all us girls. A friend of his had another trick. When a guy would come to take out his daughter, he would explain that whatever the guy did to the daughter, the dad would do to him. He would then proceed to give the guy a huge kiss, and say it was in advance of the good night kiss. He would also mention that he just got out of prison, and he wasn't afraid to go back. It didn't hurt that he was big and burly with a ZZ Top beard.
As a woman who lives in fear of her father doing these types of things, I have to say that it's really not funny. It's quite terrible and beyond embarrassing.... and for fear of going into a discussion on how it's all based on the archaic belief that a father owns the sexual rights to his daughter I'll end this post with a :rolleyes:
As a woman who lives in fear of her father doing these types of things, I have to say that it's really not funny. It's quite terrible and beyond embarrassing.... and for fear of going into a discussion on how it's all based on the archaic belief that a father owns the sexual rights to his daughter I'll end this post with a :rolleyes:
My dad is actually the opposite of that. He's the make your own mistakes kind of dad. He likes everyone she brings home, and if he doesn't, he won't tell her until she's not dating him anymore. My sis only brings guys to meet my uncle if they're sketchy. He helps to weed out the losers.
If your dad is really that type of father, be glad he loves you so much he wants to protect you from pain. I wish my dad had been more like that. I could've probably avoided some serious mistakes. Besides, if a guy really likes you, he will appreciate how much your father cares, and will be respectful of the boundaries.
Jakester
03-01-2006, 08:12 AM
Oh, it's not about who owns sexual rights. Jaysus. You understand nothing about fathers. It's about the belief that no man is good enough for their daughters and all men are completely incapable of loving them as they deserve -- plus the irrational fear that many men are simply interested in getting some from their daughters and they would not see their girls used in that way and would even less like to see them emotionally hurt by said jagoffs.
omicron
03-01-2006, 08:34 AM
plus the memories of all the whoring around the guys did when they were the date's age come rushing back. :)
Omi
Queen Mae
03-01-2006, 08:54 AM
Oh, it's not about who owns sexual rights. Jaysus. You understand nothing about fathers. It's about the belief that no man is good enough for their daughters and all men are completely incapable of loving them as they deserve -- plus the irrational fear that many men are simply interested in getting some from their daughters and they would not see their girls used in that way and would even less like to see them emotionally hurt by said jagoffs.
Exactly. It IS about sexual rights - it's archaic. The theory is that all daughters are incapable of making appropriate choices. It's a double standard and while I agree that there are more sexual dangers for girls than for boys (ie assault and pregnancy), there's the idea that the father is required to protect the daughter's sexuality because he "owns" it. That's where the "irrational" fear comes from. It's not irrational at all, it's socially constructed and has been for centuries. Most father's these days probably don't feel that they "own" their daughters' sexuality, but it's socially expected that they'll act like a complete ass when she brings boys to the home, so they do - and they do so without even realizing why. Like you said, they believe it's "irrational" and my point is, if you look at history, it's not irrational at all.
Where the hell is Kradey when I need her?
Women should just be thankful they can get sex whenever they want. :smirk:
Jakester
03-01-2006, 10:41 AM
Exactly. It IS about sexual rights - it's archaic. The theory is that all daughters are incapable of making appropriate choices.
Noooo. Sexuality doesn't enter the thought process all that much. It's not about not thinking that daughters cannot make their own choices in a satisfactory manner, either. It is not entirely rational, but it also isn't all about sex, despite what you may incorrectly think.
I want everyone to read Jakester's last post, then stare at his avatar for at least ten seconds. :D
DaForce
03-01-2006, 11:05 AM
Noooo. Sexuality doesn't enter the thought process all that much. It's not about not thinking that daughters cannot make their own choices in a satisfactory manner, either. It is not entirely rational, but it also isn't all about sex, despite what you may incorrectly think.
Well, you know that every decision a man makes is motivated by sex. :rolleyes:
At least that's what I've gathered from the few women studies classes I've taken.
KingVoyeur
03-01-2006, 11:21 AM
Ok I'm F'ING pissed off now. Ok, so I was fine with my sister getting engaged and eventually married. Hell, I would've even been ok with them getting married in July (eventually). But now I'm fucking pissed. I just found out from my dad and my sister that because my sister is being sealed in the Mormon temple at Nauvoo (basically same thing a wedding), I'm not allowed to go to my own sister's wedding because I'm not an active member in the church (and my mom isn't either). My dad told me it's because of the choice I made that I should just accept the consequences. This is why I HATE organized religions, because they're exclusionists. I believe in God, I honestly do, and I believe in being a good person, the golden rule, all that, I just don't subscribe to any particular religion. I find it interesting that pretty much every religion believes that God is all-powerful, all-seeing, and can do whatever He wants, take any form He wants, except they all hate it if He takes the form of another perspective than what each individual faith holds to be true. I feel like crying I really do, this shouldn't be about a religion, it should be about two people joining together in the company of people who love them.
GODDAMNIT
GODDAMNIT
GODDAMNIT
:angry :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :angry
sickness
03-01-2006, 11:32 AM
So far as I know, but I lack a lot of knowledge on religions since there are so many of them, Mormonism is the only one that prevents members of other faiths (or no faith) from attending any sort of sacred event due to non-participation.
This is why I HATE organized religions, because they're exclusionists.
Well, to be fair: Not all of them are. I've been to a Hindu wedding (which was a great experience) where my wife and I probably stood out like a sore thumb, but everyone seemed to be happy to have us there. I even think that most Christian churches don't mind having a few infidels in the audience for any kind of ceremony. There may after all always be the possibility that they are converted in the process. :D
Anyway, I am sorry to hear that. I'm amazed how cold-hearted some people can be about this kind of stuff. I guess the only advice that I can give you is to wait in front of the temple when they come out, greet them with a big smile and show them that you're above this kind of bullshit.
Hey, you have an excuse to not go to a monkey-suit event, at least. I got to be honest. I respect that people have different religious views, but Mormons disturb me on some level I can't quite articulate. This seems to be reinforcing that.
Jakester
03-01-2006, 12:09 PM
You should go drunk and in leather and crash the wedding. Remember, Mormon is just Moron with 2 'm's.
~hugs~ I have just a few thoughts about this. 1) Your sister is pregnant. Maybe. 2) Mormons are scary. Definately. 3) I still have that shovel. Oh Hell Yes!
Minion
03-01-2006, 12:35 PM
Being sealed in a Mormon temple, to be fair, is one of the single most sacred and complex things that their religion values. I don't agree with it, nor do I condone most anything they do, but simply passing it off as a simple exclusionist practice is undermining how important it is to their belief. Having your spouse "sealed" is one of the most important steps towards entering the highest degree of heaven (the "Celestial Kingdom"). Asking a Mormon to give up a sealing and go through a traditional wedding is like asking them to give up a piece of their so-called salvation.
I'll leave out the parts about dying, becoming a God and ruling over your own universe....
Mormonism, and its practices, are more complex than people give it credit for...being young as it is. Granted, that has a lot to do with the fact that many of the things they do and see are sort of grafted together from many other religions, translated from word-of-mouth stories, or simply made up by ol' Joseph Smith while he was off in those woods, creating his new "true" church.
So KingVoyeur, have either your sister or her boyfriend been considered worthy enough to receive their endowment? Were they told that if they broke their oaths, they'd have their throats slit from ear to ear?
Oh wait...I forgot they stopped telling people that during the endowment.
In 1990.
Minion: Bitter? A little.
Queen Mae
03-01-2006, 01:17 PM
Well, you know that every decision a man makes is motivated by sex. :rolleyes:
At least that's what I've gathered from the few women studies classes I've taken.
Then I hope those professors were fired for sexism. My point actually isn't about "sex" as in the act of sex, it's about the history of the father-daughter relationship in terms of trafficking of women.
Edited because Sickness is a very smart man.
sickness
03-01-2006, 01:48 PM
God, I'm sick of all this "reverse '-ism'" crap. Let's call a spade "a spade." Sexism is sexism either way. Racism is racism. Biases are biases. Why is one type special over others?
Bokchoi Cowboy
03-01-2006, 02:25 PM
God, I'm sick of all this "reverse '-ism'" crap. Let's call a spade "a spade." Sexism is sexism either way. Racism is racism. Biases are biases. Why is one type special over others?
Because the freakin bleeding heart who is making the complaint feels his/hers/it's problem is greater than anyone elses, cause it is happening to them , by golly!
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Kv- an update? You hanging in there?
KingVoyeur
03-03-2006, 07:05 AM
Nothing new yet. Still kinda feels unreal, like a joke or something.
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