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05-09-2008, 10:07 AM
Sons of Dragons - Book 1: The Road of Kyle (http://www.landowski.info/sod/?mania)
08-11-2008, 11:00 AM
Now an eBook - 100% Online
Sons of Dragons - Book 1: The Road of Kyle
Cheers & Enjoy
08-11-2008, 01:15 PM
still spam, fuckface
08-11-2008, 02:00 PM
(How old are you, 12?)
08-11-2008, 03:39 PM
How so? let's see.
You have a grand total of FIVE posts here, and 4 of em on in this thread.
Your username is glandowski, which is coincidentally the same as the author of the book.
Term of usage for this website are:
5.4 unsolicited, undisclosed or unauthorized advertising;
Rules of the Community:
2. Don't use the forums as a means to sell or solicit unwarranted items. Don't spam in the forums or through the PM inbox system. If your sole purpose or wish is to advertise your product here at Mania, click on the main site and the advertising link there. If not, go use eBay. Spammers will be banned immediately while the spam is deleted.
That's why this is spam.
08-11-2008, 04:32 PM
Number of posts is irrelevant.
I use a similar login to my name because I'm not trying to hide anything (good job linking the two though...)
Offer *free* sci-fi isn't selling anything - and I put the post where I though people interested in the subject matter would find it.
My purpose was to start a dialogue as an author - some of us creative types like feedback and (civil) discussion. On numerous other site a good number of conversations have helped me to develop the story and my writing style, i.e. it was helpful.
If I was spamming by the definition of the group then ban me and delete the "spam" - even if I was 100% in the wrong calling someone a "fuckface" is hardly the mature or intelligent thing to do.
I spent 18 months putting it together and all day getting it for online reading for those interested - I encourage you to be more positive in your contributions.
Regards & Thanks
08-12-2008, 07:32 AM
actually number of posts is relevant. Someone who registers here and just posts links to their products are often considered spammers.
Want to start a dialogue? Fine. How about asking for people's thoughts on your writing. Don't just post a link pimping your stuff.
I'm not a mod, my opinion doesn't count. So just ignore me if I offend you. :Tongue:
08-12-2008, 09:03 AM
I'm of the mind that quality is more inportant than quantity. If this was my first and only post I would hope it would be judged based on it's merits, not number of posts ('cause some people think that posting 100+ times of intellectual 'junk' is some how better.
So I understand that had I simply read your mind and asked "What are your thoughts on my writing?" then everything would have been okay. How does one share their work without getting labeled as 'pimping my stuff'?
I appreciate your steadfast dedication to persuing spammers, however I'd encourage a more civil dialoge when addressing strangers - we both are, after all, just human beings.
I would, after all of this like for you to buy my book.
I am of course joking, but would value your opinion if you'd care to give me some helpful feedback.
As for the forum, I tend to see what the response level is ( other groups have a wonderful 'welcoming commitee' ) before I start dedicating regular time to them, so I understand your cautiousness.
Cheers & Thanks for taking the time to have a conversation about this.
08-12-2008, 09:59 AM
How does one share their work without getting labeled as 'pimping my stuff'?
A book cover and link, with nary a word of introduction or summary, is still spam. I mean, kudos for not pretending you were unrelated to the author ("Hey everyone, there's this great book I heard about, you all should read it!"), but you offered nothing about yourself, your writing process, your struggle to publish, or even the subject of the book. Then you came back, put a second link, still with no comment.
If you'd come in here and actually begun a discussion ("Hey guys, I wrote this book, it's about _______, does it sound interesting/what do you think?"), you might have received a different response. It wouldn't have to be a lot; see this thread for plug that didn't get bombed by the regulars: We love ninjas. Does your book have ninjas? You didn't tell us. (http://www.mania.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5458)
08-12-2008, 10:34 AM
Ah... see - to me *that* would have been pimping it...
Hey guys, I wrote this book, it's about a unit of future soldiers that get stranded on a remote planet stuck back in the Iron age. To follows one trooper, Private Kyle Evans, as he struggles to mature and survive against the hostile Horde. Does it sound interesting? What do you think?
Word of introduction:
I have created numerous stories for many years both as writing and for role-playing. I also do table top war gaming and like to post battle reports. I decided to start writing actual novels and created a new sci-fi series called Sons of Dragons.
Ex-military vet, working in IT to pay the bills, but longing to do something creative for a living. I thought writing would be a good outlet but so far I'm on the fence...
About my writing process:
I generally start with an over all concept which I outline, then I go back and start fleshing out the details. For the series I try to leave numerous hooks so that in later books you go "Oh, wait, that's the [insert here] from book #2".
The struggle to publish:
Ha. Well we've seen some of it here - some crowd friendly, others less so. Ultimately I realized I had two things, sales and success, tied up into one package. So I decided to break out the story and put it online where others could read it and comment (hopefully constructively). This way I could judge success on the amount of traffic that traveled all ten chapters of the book. So far it has been interesting. I can talk all I want about how great "Old Man's War" is and encourage you to read it, but if I passively post about my own work, well...
No ninjas in the book, unless you count the Native Rangers, but they don't wear the little suits.... although they like to sneak around.
Based on what I saw in the other post I still don't think I warranted the verbal abuse [which I think we can all agree is a violation of forum policy]. I think you guys have to understand that there are numerous other forums out there and each has their own mannerisms. I'm more than willing to have a discussion, but only received the 'warm' greeting thus far as a welcome. Other groups make an effort to include you, others are extremely hostile - even if I had posted that bit above. I just try to make ass little of a splash as possible and get a feel for the group as a whole.
So, now that I've dotted my eyes and crossed my tees I'm looking forward to hearing from you all.
08-12-2008, 10:46 AM
See, now that we know you're a person and not a spambot, I'm sure there won't be any more verbal abuse. We encourage creative verbal abuse of spammers, because they never come back. I think we've invented several new words and suggested some interesting sexual positions for spammers. They drive us nuts. But now you're a person! We can talk like real folk. You might want to watch out for Jakester trying to hump your leg here and there, but that's a hazard of the Mania boards.
Now, from the title "Sons of Dragons," I would have thought you'd written a fantasy with big lizards that fly. Oooo, that hasn't been done to death, has it? (Although Naomi Novik's "Temeraire" series is a recent interesting exception.) Military sci-fi, you might get more interest around here. Especially if it's a free look you're offering.
Welcome to the boards. We like people who can spell.
08-12-2008, 11:49 AM
Did someone call me?
Do I need to verbally fist a spammer?
And what's this about ninja dragons? Ninja dragons would fucking RAWK!
Oh, and did you notice that Gabe stopped sending his regards, and now only offers his thanks? Gabe's getting damn cheap.
Finally, goddamnit, Omi! How many times to we have to tell you to make your contributions positive! You know -- gimme pr0n. Fuckface.
08-12-2008, 01:33 PM
I like to mix up the sign off so I don't get confused as a spam bot... oh wait... never mind. *sigh* I try, I really do... *grin*
[neglet] - you like "Temeraire" series? I've received some feedback from various people in regards to the name of the series, but in truth the point is illustrating the constant battle of cultures. The natives are thinking giant lizards, and the tech guys are flying around in drop ships. Over all it will allow me a universe where I can cross the line back and forth between almost fantasy and sci-fi. For instance in the second book there is lots of use of nano technology, which for all intents and purposes appears on the surface to just be "magic" even to the modern aged guys. The idea is that at any moment an actual dragon like thingy *could* come out of the wood work to raise havoc, because the native legends had to be based on something...
But it is indeed military sci-fi. I pulled a lot from my own military service for the grunt feel, and it's kind of like a toned down Star Ship troopers but fighting the Mongol hordes. In all it is just the seed novel to allow me to expand on different books. My main vehicle is to leverage supporting or unimportant characters from one novel, and use them as the main characters in the next. Over all the reward for following the series to the reader is to understand exactly what is happening and to follow the growth and death of the various characters who make up the story line.
Yes, it's a work in progress.... but that's the fun of it. Writing something I already have 100% planned out isn't much fun for me and doesn't allow me to incorporate good ideas from the readership - I guess that harkens back to me D&D days when I usually got stuck being DM. Did some Star Wars campaigns too, so I figured I'd just write a damn book rather than let all these nice stories fade with the players.
Any good spelling is purely coincidence...
Cheers & Regards & Thanks & Peace
[looks at Jakester]
Are we putting him on or taking him off of medication?
08-12-2008, 01:45 PM
So is your book anything like the Starfist series by David Sherman and Dan Cragg or The Last Legion series by Chris Bunch?
08-12-2008, 04:11 PM
Jakester doesn't need medication.
In fact, medication would run away from Jakester. Guard your legs around him, as Negs suggests.
And welcome to the community, Glandowski. I'll try and check out your work when I grab a chance from the main site stuff. The story concept sounds interesting for me.
08-13-2008, 04:11 AM
Alcohol. And pr0n. Send me both and maybe I'll shut up.
<exit stage left>
08-13-2008, 07:51 AM
[omicron] - The Starfist series seems like a similar time period. I've never read it yet and will have to take a look. The Last Legion also feels about the right time period.
The main thing with both, though, is that the Sons of Dragons are these people but stranded on a backward planet. I recall hearing about a WWII squad or platoon that get sucked back in time to the Alamo. In this case it's a good portion of a rifle company and three drop ships vs a whole planet. The idea is that the men will begin to be absorbed into the local populations as their lives continue. Mixed in with this is the fact that there is a mysterious Darkness that orbits over head - and they are trying to determine what role it plays in their current situation.
I take it you read Starfist and Last Legion Books? What did you think of them?
08-13-2008, 09:40 AM
Starfist is about a company of Marines in the future. While there's no overall arch, there is some common themes that run through them. I enjoyed them, but it would help if I was more familiar with the Marines. They also seem to always protray them as the "good guys", usually with evil civilians or politicians causing the trouble that the Marine have to fix.
Last Legion sounds very similar to your story. It has to deal with a far outlying military base that loses contact with Earth. They have to improvise in terms of keeping their equipment running, dealing with local governments and threats and trying to figure out what happened to the Earth. I don't think it's ever spelled out, but the assumption is there was a massive collapse of civilization, and they're on their own.
08-13-2008, 11:07 AM
Ah - in that case Last Legion is definitely closer to Sons of Dragons. Not sure what the assets are that they have available to them, where as SoDs have minimal support because they got left behind.
That gives me an opportunity to have them improvise and re-build lower tech level machines. For instance, in the second book they build trebuchets (floating arm trebuchets) in order to have some form of limited 'field artillery'. They also have minimal machine shop facilities, but they can turn out rough tankettes, so those silly little machines from the mid 1920s to late 1930s reappear on the battle field (with some minor modifications) because the main enemy is large bodies of infantry and cavalry.
Ideally I wanted to create a rich cross technology environment because I also like to war game, usually victorian colonial africa.
This way I can mix future tech with tech from pre WWII, and have them all on the same table with dudes wielding swords and committing blood sacrifices.
I was looking to mount a bunch of 1/72 scale plastic vikings on the bacl of Games Workshop Wargs for the Horde, and then do some other custom builds from my troopers and their drops ships.
Anyway, it keeps me busy.
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