Should George Bush

[Lavoruis]

Be eligble for three strikes? a california law where if break the law three
times murdering, robbing etc. under this Law you go to jail for life.

1. lying about threat to the USA, sending soliders to there death for no reason. killing innocent people in other countries to make a point.
2.not responding to desperate aid needed after Katrina
causing the death of thousands
3.Selling our ports to known terrorist sympathizers
which could lead to more deaths

[Bark]

Oh my goodness! If only others had posted these points sooner! :smirks:

:rolleyes:

[Queen Mae]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v239/carnivale/popcorn.gif

[Space Tycoon]

3.Selling our ports to known terrorist sympathizers
which could lead to more deaths

For Chrissakes. How many times am I going to be hearing this refrain in the months and years to come... :rolleyes:



Bush is a figurehead! Arrest the neo-cons and self-appointed warhawks who cast a spell over King George The Simple!

I'd be down for that.



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[Lavoruis]

Figure heads deserve it as much as the puppet masters
especially Bush and his phoney grin:angry
Bark, what type of tree bark are you?:smirk:
Maple ,DogWood, Oak , Notty Pine,
Cedar, Spruce, Pine , RedWood, Cypress,
Or DriftWood?

[Corporal_Hicks]

Bush, Bill, and Hillary would make perfect cell-mates!

[Intelligent_Design]

Bush, Bill, and Hillary would make perfect cell-mates!


Me and Jenna Bush would make perfect Cellmates.Only When she sees the size of my Daisy Cutter will she get the true meaning of Shock and Awe!!!!

[American]

Me and Jenna Bush would make perfect Cellmates.Only When she sees the size of my Daisy Cutter will she get the true meaning of Shock and Awe!!!!
But in reality, she'll point and laugh :D

*braces for retaliation*

[Bark]

Figure heads deserve it as much as the puppet masters
especially Bush and his phoney grin:angry
Bark, what type of tree bark are you?:smirk:
Maple ,DogWood, Oak , Notty Pine,
Cedar, Spruce, Pine , RedWood, Cypress,
Or DriftWood?

Wow! With the amount of brainpower behind posts like that, replies from me would be futile. :lol:

[sickness]

2.not responding to desperate aid needed after Katrina
causing the death of thousands

1300. It's 1300. Don't give Bush's supporters the ammunition they need to call his critics crazy and willing to do or say anything to get him out of office.

[Intelligent_Design]

1300. It's 1300. Don't give Bush's supporters the ammunition they need to call his critics crazy and willing to do or say anything to get him out of office.

Those Bush Supporters are real sticklers for details:rolleyes: .

[DaForce]

*Runs in, steals Queenie's popcorn, runs back out again*





:jump2:

[sickness]

Those Bush Supporters are real sticklers for details:rolleyes: .

When it comes to taking him down, they are.

[Kaeos]

Whoa, hang on a second...
http://hockey.binet.com.ua/Etc/time-out.jpg

Time out for a second here....

I'm confused. From the last 3 posts I just read are you all arguing that Bush's SUPPORTERS will do anything to get him out of office?

[sickness]

No. What we're saying is they conveniently forget details or stretch them to fit their whims until they can be used against him. Those they like to remind people of the exact figures as if it minimizes his stupidity.

[Intelligent_Design]

No. What we're saying is they conveniently forget details or stretch them to fit their whims until they can be used against him. Those they like to remind people of the exact figures as if it minimizes his stupidity.


You are sooo right, that is a Bush supporters favorite tactic. Ignore the mole and worry about the molehill.

[Kaeos]

:rolleyes:

This is why I stopped posting on political threads....

Sheesh, I can't even keep the player straight anymore...

Where's my tylenol...gotta damn headace

Anyway - Game on!
http://www.ardmoreskateland.com/REF.GIF

[American]

2.not responding to desperate aid needed after Katrina
causing the death of thousands
Cry me a river that thousands of dumb assholes didn't get their asses out of dodge when they knew that a hurricane was baring down on their little poverty-striken city. Brownie was an idiot. Their mayor was an idiot. Their governor denied National Guard and Red Cross for 2 days...she's a flipping idiot too. Bush had to deal with pansy ass laws saying he could not overrule the Governor over the issue of troops. There...case closed GET OVER IT AND MOVE ON!

[DaForce]

Cry me a river that thousands of dumb assholes didn't get their asses out of dodge when they knew that a hurricane was baring down on their little poverty-striken city. Brownie was an idiot. Their mayor was an idiot. Their governor denied National Guard and Red Cross for 2 days...she's a flipping idiot too. Bush had to deal with pansy ass laws saying he could not overrule the Governor over the issue of troops. There...case closed GET OVER IT AND MOVE ON!


Yup. But you know, if it was Clinton or a Democrat as Pres., you'd be screaming to impeach him.


Welcome to Stepford.

Population: You.




:lol:

[Intelligent_Design]

Cry me a river that thousands of dumb assholes didn't get their asses out of dodge when they knew that a hurricane was baring down on their little poverty-striken city. Brownie was an idiot. Their mayor was an idiot. Their governor denied National Guard and Red Cross for 2 days...she's a flipping idiot too. Bush had to deal with pansy ass laws saying he could not overrule the Governor over the issue of troops. There...case closed GET OVER IT AND MOVE ON!


So what about all the people that where too infirm or sick to "get their asses out of dodge"? What about the people that died on highway overpasses like animals. I guess you are the only person not crying a river at those happings?:ohwell:

[Intelligent_Design]

For Chrissakes. How many times am I going to be hearing this refrain in the months and years to come... :rolleyes:



Bush is a figurehead! Arrest the neo-cons and self-appointed warhawks who cast a spell over King George The Simple!

I'd be down for that.



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This is the neo-con I want for prez http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/25/Lex2000.jpg

[Space Tycoon]

Well, he's good with money, anyway.




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[Bill_the_Pony]

How about some new stickers? :)

http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/9707/wtf220copy3zj.jpg

[American]

So what about all the people that where too infirm or sick to "get their asses out of dodge"? What about the people that died on highway overpasses like animals.
That falls under the catagory of Nagin's stupidity. He didn't even try to evacuate the elderly or hospitals. And the same with the people on the higways....what happened regarding those dozens of empty buses?

[sickness]

That falls under the catagory of Nagin's stupidity. He didn't even try to evacuate the elderly or hospitals. And the same with the people on the higways....what happened regarding those dozens of empty buses?

Actually, attempts were made to rescue the elderly and sick but many hospitals and rest homes turned away buses sent for their patients. As a result, in more than one case hospital / rest home operators are facing many counts of negligent homicide.

[Flyboy]

Well, he's good with money, anyway.

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Space, I've found most everything you say to be truly insightful, but come on! G.W. is good with money?!?!?

Debt limit increase soughtOfficial says administration will begin tapping the Civil Service Retirement and Disability Fund.
Treasury Secretary John Snow notified Congress on Monday that the administration has now taken “all prudent and legal actions,” including tapping certain government retirement funds, to keep from hitting the $8.2 trillion national debt limit.
In a letter to Congress, Snow urged lawmakers to pass a new debt ceiling immediately to avoid the nation’s first-ever default on its obligations.
“I know that you share the president’s and my commitment to maintaining the full faith and credit of the U.S. government,” Snow said in his letter to leaders in the House and Senate.

There were articles all over the news about this! The U.S. is officially in such bad financial shape that we not only have the highest debt ever we now have no choice but to go deeper into debt in order to maintain our credit rating! Some of the things that are being done to manage our debt here in the U.S. are totally irresponsible. If Bush were C.E.O. of a public corp, he'd be in deep shit.

[Space Tycoon]

I meant that the guy in the pic ID posted (who I assumed was Lex Luthor) was good with money. I think.

But the Republicans have been spending money like drunken sailors, agreed. They have turned their back on fiscal conservatism. Some have said that the US government's management is resembling that of a third-world country!

Instead of taxing and spending, like the Democrats, they are borrowing and spending! Nice of the Asians to keep on lending money though. Wonder how long that can last...

I have a theory that one of the reasons the US is bringing India into it's political and economic orbit is so that when they become a wealthy nation, Washington will have another source to borrow from.




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[sickness]

I think you're on to something ST.

[Bark]

On to something or on something? Maybe GW can borrow money from the Lizard-men at the center of the Earth. :smirks:

I kid. I kid. I actually think it's a good point too. :D

[Flyboy]

I have a theory that one of the reasons the US is bringing India into it's political and economic orbit is so that when they become a wealthy nation, Washington will have another source to borrow from.
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That sounds more like the Space Tycoon I've been reading. Forgive me for the misperception.

I like your theory on india. I also think that Bush signed the latest Nukyuler deal with India because he saw India as a buffer between the US and China and quite possibly Iran in the near future.

[tstone]

How about some new stickers? :)

http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/9707/wtf220copy3zj.jpg



I LOVE IT! Want one.

[American]

I also think that Bush signed the latest Nukyuler deal with India because he saw India as a buffer between the US and China and quite possibly Iran in the near future.
Well, we can't rely on Europe to be any help. They're too busy watching their continent turn into majority Muslim/African population.

Of course, we are watching our country becoming majority Hispanic in a few decades, but attrition can solve that problem

[sickness]

So, you think we're just going to thin the Mexican herd so WASPs can stay in control?

Seriously, dude. I've given you a LOT of leeway on stupid statements and bit my lip countless times when I wanted to tear you a new one but that statement is to the retarded side of retarded.

[Intelligent_Design]

Of course, we are watching our country becoming majority Hispanic in a few decades, but attrition can solve that problem

Are Hispanics a problem?

[Kaeos]

but attrition can solve that problem


Psssst!!!! Dude, Duuuuuude!!!!!!!!!!!!

Your racism is showing. :wink:

[American]

So, you think we're just going to thin the Mexican herd so WASPs can stay in control?

Seriously, dude. I've given you a LOT of leeway on stupid statements and bit my lip countless times when I wanted to tear you a new one but that statement is to the retarded side of retarded.
Rip me a new whatever if you want, it won't change my opinion.


Are Hispanics a problem?
I don't know. Between the costs to feed them, house them, educate them and the free healthcare they get, on top of the welfare they recieve and to jail them when they commit a crime (or when they are here illegally and the INS nabs them).....NO...they are no problem at all!


Psssst!!!! Dude, Duuuuuude!!!!!!!!!!!!

Your racism is showing. :wink:
whatever. It's my opinion and i'll stand by it to the death

[Intelligent_Design]

Rip me a new whatever if you want, it won't change my opinion.



I don't know. Between the costs to feed them, house them, educate them and the free healthcare they get, on top of the welfare they recieve and to jail them when they commit a crime (or when they are here illegally and the INS nabs them).....NO...they are no problem at all!



whatever. It's my opinion and i'll stand by it to the death

But More white people are on welfare,in jail, and commit more crimes than Hispanics but attrition can solve that problem too I guess? :rolleyes:

[Space Tycoon]

I can't take full credit for the "India as catspaw" theory. I've been following certain commentators who know far more about geostrategy than I. There are a lot of traditional conservatives who believe in balance-of-power politics, realism, and staying for the most part out of other regions' conflicts, except when it is in the interestst of national security.

I've found myself influenced more and more by the right-of-centre libertarians at antiwar.com, like Justin Raimondo, as well as the so-called "paleoconservatives" like Pat Buchanan, Andrew Bacevich, Robert Dreyfus, and others. There are also of course, many liberals who are very in tune with what's really going on out there. One of my favourites is Seymour Hirsch, who broke the news about Israel's involvement in Kurdistan some years ago, and has been relentlessly warning us about Washington's designs on Iran.

But probably the journalist who's most influenced my thinking about South Asia, the Mideast, and Western-Islamic relations in general is the correspondent Eric Margolis. Read War at the Top of the World sometime, it will challenge a lot of your preconceptions about the conflicts in Asia.

For instance, This week's article (http://www.ericmargolis.com/archives/2006/03/bushas_nuclear.php) pretty much sums it up for me.

As does this one from antiwar.com. (http://www.antiwar.com/eland/?articleid=8666)

And today's dead-on article by Pat Buchanan. (http://www.antiwar.com/pat/?articleid=8671)

I just didn't want you all to think I come up with all of this on my own. I stand on the shoulders of giants. There's plenty of information out there, lots of analysis from unembedded sources. You just have to search for them. Unfortunately, a lot of people don't have the time or the energy to do so, especially with the easy temptations of the idiot box, where rather than hunting for news, the news is hand fed to you.


As far as I know, though, the "India as future creditor nation" idea is just a pet theory of mine. The deal might go something like this: If India truly becomes the economic superpower many hope it will be, they will be in a position to finance Americans' relentless addiction to living beyond their means; while in return receivng military protection and modernization aid, not to mention lots of outsourced jobs. Similar plans might be in the works for Eastern European nations, who are also being brought under America's wing, and who are warmly embracing free market policies. Same deal; you guys invest in America, we hold off the Russian bear--not to mention Turkish wolves-- for you with plenty of military aid.

Kinda fits the description of the Roman Empire, doesn't it? A sprawling empire exacting tribute from a network of protectorates in return for security against the barbarians.

Only with lots of pretty nukes! :jump2:




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[sickness]

Quick question, Gerbil boy. How should we attrit them? Put something in water on the Mexican side of towns across America? Or maybe we'll crush up birth control pills and put the powder in with their spices? Aw, hell. Why not take the easy route and just fire up some of those good ol' fashioned incinerators? All I know is we need a Final Solution.

[Scotia]

Rip me a new whatever if you want...It's my opinion and i'll stand by it to the death

LOL, especially paranoid tonight, eh? Have a burrito or something.

God, it's just marvelous to have the real American back.

[Space Tycoon]

Are Hispanics a problem?Illegal immigration most definitely is a problem, especially along the Southwest border. I was not aware just how bad things had gotten until the issue started moving front and centre over the past year.

Hispanics/Latinos in general, however, are not a problem, as I see it. Most are not bad people. Many are hard working, patriotic, Catholic Americans, who know full well the social costs of unchecked illegal immigration, and support measures to rectify it.

I am really not sure what Am-Boy meant by attrition. I choose to believe he meant "assimilation," or intermarriage of anglos and latinos. Nothing wrong with that. After, there are a lot of cute Mexican girls out there.




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[Intelligent_Design]

Illegal immigration most definitely is a problem, especially along the Southwest border. I was not aware just how bad things had gotten until the issue started moving front and centre over the past year.




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A lil ot. I wonder how long its gonna be, till North America creates an economic union like Europe. And we all use one currency. At that point Immigration won't be as much of a problem.

[sickness]

It'll take a few more generations. Certain elements on the left is already pissed about the jobs drained out of America by NAFTA (and soon to be by CAFTA as well) and certain elements on the right just won't have us give up our independence in any form, particularly taking on weaker economies and the downturn that spells for us (even though it's a huge upturn for them and would ultimately benefit us as well -- a generation down the road). And then you've got your straight-up conspiracy loons who I won't even put on any part of the spectrum because that would indicate rational thought.

[Space Tycoon]

And then you've got your straight-up conspiracy loons who I won't even put on any part of the spectrum because that would indicate rational thought.

We prefer to be known as "differentially cognitive."



:smirks:

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[Intelligent_Design]

It'll take a few more generations. Certain elements on the left is already pissed about the jobs drained out of America by NAFTA (and soon to be by CAFTA as well) and certain elements on the right just won't have us give up our independence in any form, particularly taking on weaker economies and the downturn that spells for us (even though it's a huge upturn for them and would ultimately benefit us as well -- a generation down the road). And then you've got your straight-up conspiracy loons who I won't even put on any part of the spectrum because that would indicate rational thought.


I see Mexico as a bigger hang up than the reasons you state. Their level of Nationalism is off the chart. We probably haven't seen Nationalism like they have, since 1776 or maybe WW2. You are right it would benefit all invovled.

[Space Tycoon]

I like your theory on india. I also think that Bush signed the latest Nukyuler deal with India because he saw India as a buffer between the US and China and quite possibly Iran in the near future.

That's basically the size and shape of it. And you know, I have to say, in it's own megalomaniacal way, it makes perfectly logical sense to include 800 million Hindus in an alliance directed against Islam and China--who are sometimes speculated to have their own unofficial alliance.

But the problen is, that assumes too much on the part of the Hindus. Historically, India has had very good relations with the Arab world, even advocating for the Palestinians before it was popular. And they continue to make inroads into China, tentatively entering technology-sharing partnerships and trade deals of their own.

It is true, the Hindu far right loathes Islam and seeks to avenge India's humiliation at the hands of Chinese forces in 1962. But the left, the moderates, and India's forward-thinking tech sector seem willing to let bygones be bygones.

I think the neocons believe that in the "clash of civlizations", India will instinctively act as both sword and shield-- but in reality, India may very well just do what is right for Indians.

As well they should.



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[Bark]

After, there are a lot of cute Mexican girls out there.

I sometimes watch Univision. Despite three years of Spanish in high school, I don't know much. I still watch though. :eyebrow:

[neglet]

Seriously, dude. I've given you a LOT of leeway on stupid statements and bit my lip countless times when I wanted to tear you a new one but that statement is to the retarded side of retarded.

Dude, what do you have against retarded people?

:smirk:

[Space Tycoon]

I sometimes watch Univision. Despite three years of Spanish in high school, I don't know much. I still watch though. :eyebrow:

We have Telelatino up here. Spanish, Italian, Portuguese... I must confess to a complete ignorance of these languages.

But one look at some of these fine ladies, and I know I could learn to be a cunning linguist. :lol:



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[Space Tycoon]

Dude, what do you have against retarded people?

:smirk:


LET'S GET RETARDED! (http://reretardeded.ytmnd.com/)

LET'S GET RETARDED IN HERE! (http://letsgetretardedyeah.ytmnd.com/)

LET'S GET RETARDED! (http://retardednigwa.ytmnd.com/)

LET'S GET RETARDED IN HERE! (http://getretardedwithbus.ytmnd.com/)




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[Cncrman]

I'm laughing at all of those...ah crap, I'm going to a special hell.

[Space Tycoon]

I love ytmnd.




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[Queen Mae]

I know I could learn to be a cunning linguist. :lol:



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HA!

[Space Tycoon]

HA!
Is that, "HA! Good one Tycoon!"

or,

"Ha! You, a cunning linguist! Don't make me laugh!"

Support, or derision?



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[sickness]

If it's derision, wouldn't it also indicate knowledge?

[Space Tycoon]

You've got a point there sicks.

Gotta be support. Confidence building, that's it.



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[LoneWolfen]

How about some new stickers? :)

http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/9707/wtf220copy3zj.jpg


Um, like Becky...where can one get one of those stickers?
:jump2:

[Bill_the_Pony]

I'm laughing at all of those...ah crap, I'm going to a special hell.


:angry THERE IS STILL TIME FOR SALVATION, SINNER! :angry

http://myspace-577.vo.llnwd.net/00558/77/57/558267577_l.jpg

:angry COME! LET THE EVERLASTING PEARLY WHITENESS WASH OVER YOU AND THROUGH YOU NOW!!!!!! :angry

:)

[LoneWolfen]

Ponyboy, ...That pic is classic!
:D

[Intelligent_Design]

Be eligble for three strikes? a california law where if break the law three
times murdering, robbing etc. under this Law you go to jail for life.

1. lying about threat to the USA, sending soliders to there death for no reason. killing innocent people in other countries to make a point.
2.not responding to desperate aid needed after Katrina
causing the death of thousands
3.Selling our ports to known terrorist sympathizers
which could lead to more deaths


No, don't impeach the apprentice ( bush ). Impeach the master ( cheney )

[DarkJedi]

No, don't impeach the apprentice ( bush ). Impeach the master ( cheney )


Don't impeach The Master Cheney.

Impeach the Supreme Emperor behind the curtain talking to Cheney.

You, ID.

You.

[MPG]

Shouldn't the people who re-elected Bush and Cheney be impeached? I mean, it's not like Bush&Cheney have been doing anything surprisingly different in the second term as compared to their first term, so I have to assume that those 51% who voted for them got exactly what they wanted.

[DarkJedi]

I say banish those who didn't vote for a democrat.

That's the right way to go.

:lol:

[kah]

You know, when the option is John Kerry or Al Gore, what do you think people are going to do? If you democrats could come up with a good candidate, who wasn't crazy (Dean) or an unlikeable ass (Gore/Bore) who wants universal healthcare (Kerry), you would have a better shot. I was not a Clinton supporter, but I can see how he won the public over. The guy is a hell of a speaker. Tell me when he talks that you can disagree with anything he says. Maybe later, but not while he's talking. If he was evil, he could've been Hitler. Then again, if more than 60% of the eligible voting population (http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/www/releases/archives/facts_for_features/001643.html) actually voted, then the results would be more acceptable to everyone.

[MPG]

If you democrats could come up with a good candidate, who wasn't crazy (Dean) or an unlikeable ass (Gore/Bore) who wants universal healthcare (Kerry), you would have a better shot.
Well, I guess the Democrats hoped that people would not vote for someone because they are "likeable", but because they're fit for the job. True, that wasn't a smart assumption. :(

But anyway, my point was that if someone says "I'm going to nuke Canada when I am elected" and then he is elected, then you can't impeach him for doing what he promised to do, but you need to ask the people who elected him what they were thinking. :wink: I don't think that Bush did anything in his second term that was any "worse" than what he did in his first term, so I don't think you can blame him for continuing the politics that 51% of the people who cared enough to vote considered "successful".

[Intelligent_Design]

How to spot a baby conservative (http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1142722231554&call_pageid=970599119419)

[Intelligent_Design]

I don't think that Bush did anything in his second term that was any "worse" than what he did in his first term, so I don't think you can blame him for continuing the politics that 51% of the people who cared enough to vote considered "successful".

Well he hasn't bombed any new country unjustly in his second term. I think that indicates a major shift in policy. :rolleyes:

[kah]

How to spot a baby conservative (http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1142722231554&call_pageid=970599119419)

Well, I would have to say.... "What did they expect?" They did a study based on children living in a college town in California. I would be more inclined to believe what the results said if they followed children from all over the country. Just because the children didn't have political leanings in preschool doesn't mean they weren't influenced along the way. Studies like this have no merit, since they don't take into account cultural differences in different parts of the country, parent and teachers' influences, as well as many other factors that can change opinions. Let's say one child has a parent who falls into a coma. Whether or not to take that parent off life support will lead a person to a political ideology. As will an unplanned teenage pregnancy, a break-in leading to homicide, a family member going to prison and possibly getting a death sentence. I could go on, but I'm pretty sure you get the idea.

[omicron]

Well he hasn't bombed any new country unjustly in his second term. I think that indicates a major shift in policy. :rolleyes:


Give him time. Iran is getting mighty uppity. And don't forget North Korea. :lol:

Omi

[Adam54]

I say banish those who didn't vote for a democrat.

That's the right way to go.

:lol:

Doth says the Texas Republican.

:D

[tstone]

You know, when the option is John Kerry or Al Gore, what do you think people are going to do? If you democrats could come up with a good candidate, who wasn't crazy (Dean)

>>>>"Crazy"? And your diagnosis, doctor, would be because he...yelled?


or an unlikeable ass (Gore/Bore) who wants universal healthcare (Kerry), you would have a better shot.

>>>>Boring because...he uses big words and count on you knowing them? (he leaves the baby talk for the current prez), ass because he wants universal health care? HEAVENS!


I was not a Clinton supporter, but I can see how he won the public over. The guy is a hell of a speaker.



>>>>>And this is what really pisses me off and makes me wonder about the intellect of many of the modern American body politic. It's less about intelligence and the ability to govern and more about whether I'd like to have a beer with the guy. Clinton is a helluva speaker, but he also voted in NAFTA and the Telecom Act of 1996. I'd be taking everything he said with a grain of salt.

And no, I didn't vote for him. I'm alot more liberal now than I was then and STILL wouldn't vote for him.

And not because I'm "scared" of universal health care.

[Intelligent_Design]

Give him time. Iran is getting mighty uppity. And don't forget North Korea. :lol:

Omi

I agree, with Venezuela the darkhorse

[kah]

>>>>"Crazy"? And your diagnosis, doctor, would be because he...yelled?

Actually, to be honest, I liked his yell. I thought, "How wonderful to have a candidate up there who is excited about our country!" Apparently I was one of only a few that thought that way. Then, he became DNC, and started with the crazy...
Read below
Comments as DNC Chair (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Dean)
And this (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2005/06/07/MNdean07.TMP)


Boring because...he uses big words and count on you knowing them? (he leaves the baby talk for the current prez), ass because he wants universal health care? HEAVENS!

Ok, he didn't lose just because he was boring. He lost because of this as well.

Gore is a strong supporter of abortion rights, free trade, and strong environmental policy. Gore has gradually moved politically further left; he was once a moderate-to-conservative lawmaker. While in Congress, Gore had a strong pro-life record on abortion and voted pro-life 27 times. When exactly Gore became pro-choice is unknown, but by 1988, when he sought the Democratic presidential nomination, he was on record as opposing the criminalization of abortion.


Universal Healthcare (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_healthcare)
Yeah, I'm still against it.

And this is what really pisses me off and makes me wonder about the intellect of many of the modern American body politic. It's less about intelligence and the ability to govern and more about whether I'd like to have a beer with the guy. Clinton is a helluva speaker, but he also voted in NAFTA and the Telecom Act of 1996. I'd be taking everything he said with a grain of salt.
And no, I didn't vote for him. I'm alot more liberal now than I was then and STILL wouldn't vote for him.

And not because I'm "scared" of universal health care.

I'm not old enough to have voted for Clinton, but that doesn't matter. I can see beyond the "strong economy" that everyone seems to associate with his presidency. I try to keep up with news and politics as much as I can, so I can be an informed voter. It would be naive and idealistic to believe that the rest of the country did as well. That 60% of registered voters that actually vote in presidential elections have a poor track record of checking up on candidate policies.

Check out this Exit Poll (http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/US/P/00/epolls.0.html) from 2004.

It all seems to make sense, seems to follow along with people knowing why they voted for who they did. Until you read about How Bush is Handling his Job- of the 53% who approve, 90% voted for Bush. Of the 46% who disapprove, 93% voted for Kerry. Basically, it comes down to "who I'd rather see in office," which is a problem in two-party politics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-party_system). We are often left to vote for the lesser of two evils. And while I voted Bush in 2004, it was not because I approved of him so much as I disapproved of Kerry. Sad, isn't it? I tend to lean more libertarian than conservative, but I don't have the option of a libertarian candidate, so, being a good American, I trundle up to the polls and try to pick a candidate that best reflects my political beliefs.

[Space Tycoon]

I tend to lean more libertarian than conservative, but I don't have the option of a libertarian candidate, so, being a good American, I trundle up to the polls and try to pick a candidate that best reflects my political beliefs.
As do I. Ideally, I would either vote Libertarian, or Green, or perhaps even Constitution Party, in a pinch. We are probably closer in our politics than you might think. In Canada I voted for the Conservative Party, because like many others I was so disgusted with the corruption, arrogance of the Liberal Party.

Not because I favour recriminalization of pot in Canada (if anything we should call off the War on Drugs altogether); or ramping up Canada's activities in Afghanistan(where we have no interests or business being); not because I love Christian Zionists or Neocons or self-absorbed suburbanites; but because THE COUNTRY NEEDED A CHANGE. Period. And the Conservatives have a lot of good ideas, like cutting taxes and reducing spending(well, we'll see anyway...)

In America, the situation is a little different. Both parties are so rotten, so bitterly hostile to each other and yet so similar in most respects, that there's no way I could really get behind either of them. And if the Conservative Party up here move in a direction which displeases me, I would happily vote my conscience (assuming a Libertarian manages to make a showing in Mississauga).

People need to realize, none of these parties were ever meant to be permanent institutions, hanging on to power century after century like some everlasting monarchial dynasty (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Capet).

Why is it North Americans have more choice in soft drinks than they do in who governs them?






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[Corporal_Hicks]

Why is it North Americans have more choice in soft drinks than they do in who governs them?

Because we can sell those soft drinks to Europeans and Asians, who willingly buy it up because they (while never openly admitting it) worship the ground we North Americans walk on?

[MPG]

Because we can sell those soft drinks to Europeans and Asians, who willingly buy it up because they (while never openly admitting it) worship the ground we North Americans walk on?
So by that logic, I guess Americans buy German and Japanese cars because they have a bizarre sushi&sauerkraut fetish?

[MPG]

Why is it North Americans have more choice in soft drinks than they do in who governs them?
Because they don't want more choices. America will have a two-party system as long as people only vote for two parties - it's that simple. When people vote for Kodos because Kang is such an unpleasant guy, they can't complain about having a green slimy alien as their President.

It's my old mantra: Every country has exactly the political system and the government that it deserves.

[tstone]

Hm, we aren't as far apart as I initially believed. Interesting thing is, Gore supported free trade, abortion rights, etc...

Those are usually positions backed by Libertarians.




Actually, to be honest, I liked his yell. I thought, "How wonderful to have a candidate up there who is excited about our country!" Apparently I was one of only a few that thought that way. Then, he became DNC, and started with the crazy...
Read below
Comments as DNC Chair (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Dean)
And this (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2005/06/07/MNdean07.TMP)




Ok, he didn't lose just because he was boring. He lost because of this as well.




Universal Healthcare (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_healthcare)
Yeah, I'm still against it.



I'm not old enough to have voted for Clinton, but that doesn't matter. I can see beyond the "strong economy" that everyone seems to associate with his presidency. I try to keep up with news and politics as much as I can, so I can be an informed voter. It would be naive and idealistic to believe that the rest of the country did as well. That 60% of registered voters that actually vote in presidential elections have a poor track record of checking up on candidate policies.

Check out this Exit Poll (http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/US/P/00/epolls.0.html) from 2004.

It all seems to make sense, seems to follow along with people knowing why they voted for who they did. Until you read about How Bush is Handling his Job- of the 53% who approve, 90% voted for Bush. Of the 46% who disapprove, 93% voted for Kerry. Basically, it comes down to "who I'd rather see in office," which is a problem in two-party politics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-party_system). We are often left to vote for the lesser of two evils. And while I voted Bush in 2004, it was not because I approved of him so much as I disapproved of Kerry. Sad, isn't it? I tend to lean more libertarian than conservative, but I don't have the option of a libertarian candidate, so, being a good American, I trundle up to the polls and try to pick a candidate that best reflects my political beliefs.

[tstone]

I read the Wikipedia article. Those comments from him strike me less as "crazy", more as disappointing. That's him trying to relate on the grade school level that W does instinctively. Dean is way too intelligent and intellectual to do it, and comes off as insincere and goofy when he tries it.

So does W, but much of his primary voters get off on such rhetorical bifracation.

With potential Dean supporters, that's just not going to fly.

[kah]

I read the Wikipedia article. Those comments from him strike me less as "crazy", more as disappointing. That's him trying to relate on the grade school level that W does instinctively. Dean is way too intelligent and intellectual to do it, and comes off as insincere and goofy when he tries it.

So does W, but much of his primary voters get off on such rhetorical bifracation.

With potential Dean supporters, that's just not going to fly.

That's what I am saying. The guy is a doctor, whom, reason tells me, should know a little something about dealing with people. You don't walk in a room and tell someone who's got a 10% chance to live that they're a moron because of their life choices and that they are going to die because of them. You instead offer them hope and a reason to fight for that 10%. You also don't try to win people to your way of thinking by insulting your opponents and appealing to a very small portion of your supporters.

Back to the Universal Healthcare topic... Look at what the government has done with the Medicare Drug plan. I certainly wouldn't want them in charge of my health and welfare.

[Corporal_Hicks]

So by that logic, I guess Americans buy German and Japanese cars because they have a bizarre sushi&sauerkraut fetish?

No.

We just buy them because they look cool and we have the money to spend on them.

I doubt that $7.00 a gallon European gas would go over to well in the U.S.

Maybe that's why they want to be here so bad?

[MPG]

We just buy them because they look cool and we have the money to spend on them.
Ah... so when Americans buy foreign products, it's for totally rational reasons, but when Europeans buy American products, the only imaginable reason is that they secretely want to be more like Americans?

Hmm...
I doubt that $7.00 a gallon European gas would go over to well in the U.S.

Maybe that's why they want to be here so bad?
Or maybe not?

Most Americans would not be very happy about $7 per gallon, but likewise, most Europeans wouldn't be very happy about having their cities planned in a way that they are forced to use the car no matter where they go. I think it pretty much evens out.

[Corporal_Hicks]

I live in a town of 60,000 people and I am not forced to drive my car anywhere.

I have also traveled around several large (1,000,000 population plus) cities without setting foot inside a car.

I did it that way because I chose to (and quite frankly it's much more convenient).

We have choices. They don't.

:)


They want what we've got.

That is not a bad thing, either.

[Jakester]

Okay, maybe forced is a strong word, but I live in one state and work in another. There is no public transportation that will get me from my home to my job. There is some limited public transport to take me to some parts of my home city, and a few buses that will take me to destinations within the city where I work, but both are pretty limited.

Why can't I just live near where I work? 1-bedroom condos start at $450,000. I lnow live in the suburbs to the suburbs. The housing market in this area is scary. Friends of ours who live 15 minutes from our house bought a big house on 3 acres a year ago for $465. This January, the house two doors down sold for $876. Over $400k appreciation in ONE YEAR?! And that's in "The Boonies" If you'd like to be able to not live in a hovel, you must drive. At least in the DC/Metro area.

[Corporal_Hicks]

Okay, maybe forced is a strong word, but I live in one state and work in another. There is no public transportation that will get me from my home to my job. There is some limited public transport to take me to some parts of my home city, and a few buses that will take me to destinations within the city where I work, but both are pretty limited.

Why can't I just live near where I work? 1-bedroom condos start at $450,000. I lnow live in the suburbs to the suburbs. The housing market in this area is scary. Friends of ours who live 15 minutes from our house bought a big house on 3 acres a year ago for $465. This January, the house two doors down sold for $876. Over $400k appreciation in ONE YEAR?! And that's in "The Boonies" If you'd like to be able to not live in a hovel, you must drive. At least in the DC/Metro area.

So thank God you don't live in Europe.

[Jakester]

I'd rather thank you.
So, um...thanks for not making me live in Europe and stuff. It's old and smelly over there.

[American]

I am really not sure what Am-Boy meant by attrition. I choose to believe he meant "assimilation," or intermarriage of anglos and latinos. Nothing wrong with that. After, there are a lot of cute Mexican girls out there.
You are advocating interracial marriage? Why would one want to destory the purity of the white race like that? Might as well give Uncle Sam the gun so he can finish off what Latinos and other minority races are doing to this nation.

[Bill_the_Pony]

You are advocating interracial marriage? Why would one want to destory the purity of the white race like that? Might as well give Uncle Sam the gun so he can finish off what Latinos and other minority races are doing to this nation.


:rolleyes:

Tell everybody what you have done FOR it.


If anything.

[DarkJedi]

You are advocating interracial marriage? Why would one want to destory the purity of the white race like that? Might as well give Uncle Sam the gun so he can finish off what Latinos and other minority races are doing to this nation.

Okay, American. I got reports on your other "a job where a White American could take" ealier in the week. I thought maybe it was a typo where you mean " a job where a legal American could take".......

But now, this....


What you just said smacks of Racism propaganda.

Racism and bigotry is NOT accepted at these forums.


Period.

Here's Rule #1 of being allowed to post at these boards, American.

1. Don't post anything that's considered to be hate literature. That includes racist, sexist, harassing, or defamatory postings about an individual or group. This is a "no tolerance" rule. If you dislike someone, ignore them. There is a Ignore User option in your User CP. If your intentions are to inspire hatred, you will be banned and forgotten very quickly.



You are banned.

[Scotia]

You are banned.
'Bout time.

He went off the pills tonight.

[DarkJedi]

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