NBC's "Heroes"

[Kaeos]

Article and review from TV guide on this new show on NBC in the fall. The show is about ordinary people all over the world who suddenly discover they have increadible powers and abilities.

NBC's Heroes - from TV Guide (http://www.tvguide.com/News/Ausiello/AusielloReport)


The difference is - no campy hero stuff. "I kind of want to stay away from the superhero aspect," says the shows creator Tim Kring. "It's about very ordinary people all over the world who literally discover that they have special powers, and it's their dealing with that."

Heroes isn't a show about crusaders, caped or otherwise. It's about people — albeit ones with extraordinary quirks.

Kring points out, "It's pretty grounded in reality. Part of what makes it really feel very real is that these people's lives should mirror your own; you should be able to see your ordinary life reflected on screen."

"It's a big interconnected saga," says Kring. "They're all drawn together towards a destiny of saving the world." And not to OD on the Lost parallels, but Kring adds, "It's extremely serialized."

What would an extremely serialized show about superheroes, er, ordinary people (I have to stop doing that!) be without a creepy antagonist? Heroes' big baddie is described as a "Max Von Sydow-type" whose trademark accessory is a pair of horned rimmed glasses. And although his intentions aren't made crystal clear in the pilot, one thing is certain: He wants to get his hands on some of that super DNA.

It" beingthe final scene. Provided Kring doesn't tinker too much with the script — I can't stress enough that I read an early draft — the climactic sequence, as inevitable as it may seem, will make you stand up and shout, "It's my new Lost!" And the next words out of your mouth better be: "Ausiello was right!"


Personally, I've envisioned the Superhero genre in modern entertainment going in this direction for more than 10 years. I've tinkered with a novel about just such a thing for as long, but it never really materialized for me.

This could be a huge show if it's done well. :)

[DaForce]

Sounds a lot like the show "The 4400".

[DaForce]

So I was able to see the first episode of the new NBC show Heroes. The show follows the lives of a few people around the world as they start to develop powers (like teleportation, regeneration, precognition, etc.). There are also a few subplots as well involving a doctor investigating the possibility of powers as a new expression in evolution, and a possible serial killer in the mix.


All in all not a bad show, but given the way NBC has treated any good sci-fi recently (Surface, anyone?) I don't think this one will survive past season one if the numbers suck.


Oh, and be on the lookout for the new guy in the show named Hiro. Probably my newest favorite geek.



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[DaForce]

HEROES UPDATE

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"We want to generate buzz across a variety of platforms long before Heroes ever airs on NBC," said John Miller, chief marketing officer of NBC Univeral Television Group.
In advance of the broadcast premiere, NBC and Nissan will also create three million co-branded promotional Custom Cards to be distributed exclusively at AMC, Cinemark and Regal Entertainment Group theaters nationwide through box-office handouts. Moviegoers will be encouraged to view the free download and sample the wide-screen appeal of the Heroes premiere on iTunes before its broadcast on NBC.
Each co-branded card will feature a unique pin code that National CineMedia patrons can redeem online at a special iTunes NBC Fall Season preview site that will provide a free download of Heroes, plus a backstage look at its filming and the NBC preview trailers of other network series for Fall 2006.
The campaign includes a 10-second tease produced by National CineMedia that will run on 5,654 digital screens in 428 theaters during August, informing moviegoers to return to the theater in September to obtain their free download card.
To coincide with the in-theater card handouts in September, NBC will air a schedule of co-branded 20-second promos on the network touting the free preview download of Heroes on iTunes and NCM, courtesy of Nissan.
In addition, Heroes will receive in-theater play in August with a two-minute and 30-second piece playing on select AMC, Cinemark and Regal Entertainment Group big screens.

[DaForce]

Here's (http://messageboard.cinescape.com/cinescape/forums/showthread.php?t=1697) the thread I started (I forgot about this thread) that has my review of the first episode, and news on how to download the complete (70+ min.) pilot episode from iTunes.


Enjoy.

[DaForce]

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[DaForce]

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[Cuchulainn]

Ah, three threads on Heroes! Which one to post in. I'll just pick one. So here's my thought on the show:

I liked it. The Japenesse guy was my favorite, with the nurse and the cheerleaded right behind him. The others I'm interested in but they still nedd to be flushed out a little more. As for the single mom's power, I'm thinking it is along the lines of Rose and Thorn. What I'm not sure about is whether it's a split personality or if she switches places with her "mirrorverse" self. I sort of doubt it's the second one, but if done right it could be interesting.

[Cuchulainn]

And just for fun, here are the connections between the characters that I saw.

Suresh (the professor) and Claire (the cheerleader) are connected by her dad.

Nathan (the politician) and Peter (the nurse) are brothers.

Peter and Isaac (the painter) are connected through Isaac's girlfriend.

Peter caught a ride in Suresh cab.

Hiro's(the Japenesse office guy) friend was wachting Niki's (the single mom) webcam strip.

[kah]

I think they are all going to be connected to Claire's dad sooner rather than later.

[Jakester]

The preview version ended up being a quite a bit different with respect to Isaac.

In the version I saw originally, when Isaac tells his girlfriend about the bus painting, she suggests that he "painted it this morning." He replies, "No this is what I painted this morning," and he shows her a painting of herself, walking through the door (exactly as she did in the beginning of the scene).

Later, after he chains himself up, we pan to a saw as the scene ends. Then, when Peter is using the flashlight in Isaac's loft, it settles on a severed hand, and we know that the reason for his medical emergency is that he cut his own hand off -- and his girlfriend says so to the 9-1-1 operator. Plus, as he's saying, "We have to stop it," he's pulling himself up and we see his bloody stump.
Now I'm not sure if we'll see him with one or two hands in episode (issue?) two.

[Kara Milovy]

Why does every new show on TV have to have a blonde sex worker? Is there a rule?

[kah]

Men in Trees has a brunette sex worker.

[rappites]

Why does every new show on TV have to have a blonde sex worker? Is there a rule?


She is not a real blonde. Does that help?:wink:

[Jakester]

Figures that a chick would consider sex to be "work."
Guess that's why it's called a blow"job"

[rappites]

You should know. You have to work to get sex.

[fastcar]

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0607/29/heroes3th.jpg

I just kept thinking, Japanese Clay Aiken, whenever he was on the screen.


I shall call him Clay Asian.

[fastcar]

Is this Heroes or 6 Degrees?

[Jakester]

The ending was awesome, and the previews left me going "WTF?!" -- as did Cheerleader's Dad. There's enough in the show to make me want to watch again and again -- kind of like the grin I get with new and improved Joker products.

[Strider]

I'll chime in to say that I loved the first episode. I can't wait to see where they will go with the show once they get character introduction out of the way.

Will Heroes be great? I have no idea, but at this point they have me on the hook. Hopefully it will continue to reel me in. :D

[Kara Milovy]

Figures that a chick would consider sex to be "work."
Guess that's why it's called a blow"job"
I know you're slow, so I'll be extra helpful:

If you do it in order to get paid for it, it's work.

A chef is doing food-work. A hooker is doing sex-work.

Cooking, though, is not necessarily "work." Neither is sex.

I hope this improves your relationship with "chicks" in the future. But I doubt it.

[fastcar]

So how was the episode? Is it the new Lost, Alias, 24 or whatever your favorite show is? Or will it become boring after 3 or 4 episodes?

I wouldn't say it's the new Lost or 24. I'd go with, the new Invasion or Bones. Second Tier cool show at this point.

[Kaeos]

I wouldn't say it's the new Lost or 24. I'd go with, the new Invasion or Bones. Second Tier cool show at this point.

I'm hooked. I'm curious to see how it did in terms or rating and number of viewers.

[Jakester]

Kara, baby, I'd tell you how awesome you are, but then someone might think I'm trying to get into your panties. So instead, I'll just ask: "Are you wearing any panties?"

[Jakester]

Oh, I dunno, Speedy, I thought Invasion was a Tier 1 show. Bones was like a tier 6 or 7 show. Maybe I was just in a pissy mood when I saw the pilot.

Smith is a good Tier 2 show. Heroes sits...well, okay...shit...
It's below BSG...but..hmm...probably on par with everything else I watch. Does that mean I've only got ONE Tier 1 show?

[southpaw]

It comes on again at 8:00 EST tonight if you missed it.

[awakenangel]

speaking of the web model/tease what is her power anyway. does her mirror twin come out and play or is she schizo...don't hit her, you won't like her if you hit her, unless you pay for it that is...

what's the matter with these chicks, a cheerleader who does not have to woory about pimples, or wrinkles and she still not happy.

all joking aside i love this new series at least the scifi channel will be running episodes to just in case nbc pulls another surfACE.:jump2:

[Jakester]

I was wondering what Nikki's power was as well. It appears that she can black out and kick ass.

[madi]

I have to say I wasn't all that impressed. I like Hiro, the Japanese SuperGeek, and Nikki is intriguing, but most of the show was predictable and unintentionally funny.

I'll probably watch again, at least until I figure out what the hell Nikki is, but I was really dissapointed.

[TrixieB]

I have to disagree. I really liked it. I am intrigued by the connections and I was surprised about ending with the guy who thinks he can fly. This show has potential to do some real character development. I want more.

[fastcar]

I'm beginning to wonder what use some of these folks' powers will have.

It's almost like Mystery Man having the Spleen.

[neglet]

Also repeated on Sci Fi Channel Friday at 7 pm, and USA sometime this weekend, I forget which. I loved the first episode, it had enough tantalizing connections to hook me, and the characters are interesting.

[neglet]

And just for fun, here are the connections between the characters that I saw.

Suresh (the professor) and Claire (the cheerleader) are connected by her dad.

Nathan (the politician) and Peter (the nurse) are brothers.

Peter and Isaac (the painter) are connected through Isaac's girlfriend.

Peter caught a ride in Suresh cab.

Hiro's(the Japenesse office guy) friend was watching Niki's (the single mom) webcam strip.

Also, Niki's son was reading a comic with illustrations by Isaac. Also, I think the girl with Isaac was his agent or gallery rep, not his girlfriend.

[Son of Gilbert]

I was wondering what Nikki's power was as well. It appears that she can black out and kick ass.


Looks like a Jekyll and Hyde type of character.
I really enjoyed it, and thats why I gave it a season pass on my Tivo list.

[Jakester]

The cover of the comic book was also Hiro's screensaver.

[Deacon]

I kinda liked it, but I didn't think much of the dialogue or characterization. The only storyline that I really enjoyed was the one set in Japan, mainly because that contained the only engaging characters. It got better as it went on, though.

[Lavoruis]

The cheerleader is like a female a Wolverine, same healing factor.
I guess ? She does have super sense of smell.?

[Trazalca]

Finally saw it, and dug it.

I loved the weird connections with everyone, including the last one
at the end of the ep! Didn't see that coming.

What will be interesting is which side each one takes- good or bad?
Sure, the cheerleader saved that guy, but considering who her dad
(or adopted Dad?) is, I wonder which way she'll lean to.

Sure, it's easy to assume folks like Hiro or Peter & Nathan to be
the good guys. But we've yet to see their weaknesses, and how that
will play out in the end. Heck. If Hal Jordan can go nuts and turn wicked,
who is it to say others won't?

Looking forward to ep 2.

And I don't know about you, but I'm growing accustomed to liking shows that
only last one season now. If it gets beyond one season, I consider it a bonus.

Did anyone question why that stalker was able to get into Suresh's cab at such an opportune moment like that? He stopped his cab at a premature moment when Peter
asked to be let off early, then the stalker/cheerleader Dad got in. How could he have
followed him and gotten in so easily? I thought that rather odd.

[DarkJedi]

Threads merged.

[Strider]

So how about that second episode? I thought it was great! :D

I especially liked the mislead we got during Hiro's segments culminating in the big reveal about the timeline at the end of the episode.

[southpaw]

I enjoyed it.

[rappites]

So how about that second episode? I thought it was great! :D

I especially liked the mislead we got during Hiro's segments culminating in the big reveal about the timeline at the end of the episode.


I liked that too.

[DaForce]

Howzabout a little time delay for those of us on the West Coast?

[rappites]

Sorry. . .I forget about you all.


We should learn how to use that *spoiler* thing that you use.

[DaForce]

I mean, if I really wanted to be evil I could tell you all about some stuff that wasn't aired that we saw at Comic Con.

MUWAHAHAHAHAHA!!

They've switched the order of a few scenes and introductions. They've even switched the storyline for one character, and they haven't introduced another of the protagonists yet that plays a HUGE role in the mushroom cloud we've seen.

:smirks:

So you may want to be nice to me.


:D

[Strider]

Howzabout a little time delay for those of us on the West Coast?

Man I was being *very* vague. I thought about adding spoiler tags, but I didn't think they were needed.

Anyway, why were you reading this thread right before you watched the episode anyway? If it were me, I'd avoid it like the plague, until after I'd seen it.

[neglet]

I really like how the story is shaping up, going from person to person yet somehow drawing connections that move the mystery along.

Oh, and I liked the new character they introduced this ep, the LA cop who can read minds. It's interesting how his ability led to his arrest, as did Hiro's. Of course, the ending was cool--that's what I call foreshadowing!

[DaForce]

Man I was being *very* vague. I thought about adding spoiler tags, but I didn't think they were needed.

Anyway, why were you reading this thread right before you watched the episode anyway? If it were me, I'd avoid it like the plague, until after I'd seen it.

Dude, it was 7:30pm. It was at least a half hour before anything good was coming on the tube, so I was looking around here.

Like I said, I could post spoilers if ya like....without any tags..

[Cncrman]

Actually DaForce, I'm curious about what you know. Would you be willing to post (with spoiler tags, for those that don't want to know) or just private message me? I am never really too concerned about being spoiled.

My curiosity just always gets the better of me.

I am enjoying the show so far, although I think they wasted useable time showing clips from the first show throughout the second show. I'm wondering what this "villain" can do...frozen solid? Tops of heads cut off? What's up with that lady that was pinned to the wall?

[DaForce]

Well first off, the cop was never there looking for a murderer, they were there as backup for the FBI that was looking for terrorists. Yup, in the version that I saw, there was a suspected terrorist hiding out in the house that the cop 'heard' his praying. In that version, the cop was never arrested, but he was detained long enough to miss his appointment for counseling.
We meet his wife as well, who pretty much is a hen-pecking nag.

Backtrack an episode to the artist. In the opener that I saw, the artist cuts off his own hand with an axe in order to get out of the handcuff he used to keep himself from using drugs. He was found by his girlfriend AND the male nurse. So that's how those two had been connected.

Finally, (and this may be the biggest spoiler since I didn't see it anywhere, but then again I didn't watch the first aired episode) the terrorists have their own 'special' guy. He looks kinda burned up and they are exploiting him to gain fissionable material. How you ask? The guy in question emits radiation. He can also make materials radioactive by touching them and pouring his energy into them.

So there you have it. That's the total sum of my knowledge of things that were changed, and things that weren't shown up until this point. Things may be changed (like the whole cop sequence) or dropped altogether.

Enjoy.

[Cncrman]

And now you know...and knowing is half the battle..

YO JOE!

Sorry, flashback. Thanks D.

[Intelligent_Design]

The villian has to be SubZero.

[Deacon]

Incredibly frustrating show. The dialogue continues to be as dull as dishwater, but the plotting's really interesting.

[awakenangel]

i think the guy steals their powers via their brains and has their brain as a trophy and the daughter may find the room where the brains are stored in and then she will have to run.

whatever happens it has my interest but what will they do for season two? this vision quest cannot last forever.

[DaForce]

Does anyone know what the comic book style font is that they were using in the episodes? I know it's not Comic Sans. If anyone knows what it is, it'll help me out a lot.

I'm designing my portfolio, and that's the letter style I want.

[southpaw]

The artwork looked like Tim Sale. Was it?

[southpaw]

whatever happens it has my interest but what will they do for season two? this vision quest cannot last forever.



Super Team!

[DaForce]

The artwork looked like Tim Sale. Was it?

You are correct, sir! Good eye.

Tim was there at Comic Con along with Jeph Loeb (he has something to do with this as well).

[Intelligent_Design]

Went I saw the Blown up the first thing I thought was Heroes/Jericho crossover . Thats ratings gold I tell ya!!

[neglet]

Does anyone know what the comic book style font is that they were using in the episodes? I know it's not Comic Sans. If anyone knows what it is, it'll help me out a lot.

I'm designing my portfolio, and that's the letter style I want.

Do you have a capture of the font? Cuz I don't remember what it looked like.

[omicron]

watched the first episode last night. While not blown away, it was decent. Seems like a cross between Lost and The 4400.

One thing funny I noticed, when the Cheerleader's dad was in the cab with Suresh, the names he used to make the analogy of how commom that name must be. "It must be like Smith or Anderson" Matrix anyone? :wink:

Got the second episode on tape, will probably watch it later this week.

Omi

[Trazalca]

Taped episode two, and finally saw it last night.

Did anybody catch that weird 'S' shaped symbol yet? It comes up
at 3 points in episode 2:

1) During Hiro's visit to the art studio, you see a few large paintings of
it leaning against a stack of art.

2) During the mind-reader cop investigation, you can see it snaking atop
the swimming pool. Clever.

3) During Suresh finding the flash drive in the lizard home, and viewing
it on his laptop. You can see the symbol laying on its side scrolling
right to left.

Judging from what Suresh's father does, it may be a DNA strand of
some kind. Possibly a link with all the 'heroes' in the show?
And how it keeps coming up is rather clever. It shows that you
really have to keep your eyes open for little details like that.
In short, take nothing for granted.

Also, November 8 is the deadline for all of the heroes to get
teamed up and put the pieces together before the big bang.

That scene with Hiro was the BEST.
I about bust my sides laughing out loud when he gave out
the yen bill to the concession dude, and bolted. Awesome.

But now I have a question about his powers: is he not able
to control at what time he transports himself?
And how cool was it at the end of his scene, when he quickly
learned what Spider-man had to: with great power comes
great responsibility. Very cool.

Can't wait for ep 3! :D

[DaForce]

Do you have a capture of the font? Cuz I don't remember what it looked like.

Nope, but I think I may have found it on 1001fonts.com.

[Kaeos]

I got goosebumps when it sunk in that Hiro had jumped forward to the D-Day (of sorts) AWESOME

Sadly, I missed the "S" symbol,s now I want to gi find them.

Also - I got my mind wrapped around the cheerleader's dad. I know who he is.:D

[Intelligent_Design]

I'm starting to think The artist is the only person with the powers and his power is whatever he draws comes true. Thats Why Hiro went to New York. Not becuase he teleported but Because the Artist Guy drew him in New York.

[awakenangel]

Super Team!

duh, no crap! i'm tlaking about character developement, story archs and supervillian protrayals. tv seems to all ways f' up the protrayals of supervillains or do not have any at all when it comes to having superheroes in prime time.

Batman had villians but it was campy as hell. spiderman had none neither did wonderwomen or the hulk. oh, the hulk had kingpin on time but even then they made him a freaky voyuer.


oh! they are going toedit the scene when the cheerleader places her hand in the garbage disposal because the co who makes them name can be clearly seen in the scene. so they filed a suit and now on repeats the scene will not air. just a little trivia.

[omicron]

watched the second episode last night, and I find myself getting pulled into the show. Still, it really reminds me of Lost with all the interconnects between the characters.

I did notice the S symbol in the computer data and the pictures, didn't notice it at the pool. And was it my imagination or was the gun Hiro found at the scene of the Artist's murder the same one Suresh took off of the 'bug sprayer' he found in his apartment?

The crime scene was creepy. Mom was stapled to the banister and dad was frozen and had his scalp and brain removed, much like the artist apparently. Is it possible the secret to the heroes has something to do with the brain?

Omi

[Kaeos]

I did notice the S symbol in the computer data and the pictures, didn't notice it at the pool.

How a bout this:

It's half of a DNA Strand. One side of the helix. Probably what the professor isolated as the sourse of the powers.

:D

[Cuchulainn]

I didn't see this mentioned yet, Heroes picked up for a full season. (http://tv.yahoo.com/news/va/20061006/116012073600.html)

[southpaw]

This show KEEPS getting better every week.

[rappites]

Totally. . .I think tonights show is the best yet. OMG the last scene with the cheerleader. Awesome.

[Cuchulainn]

Very good episode. How about the way Claire woke up. That's a sucky way to wake up, but a great cliffhanger. I can see Nathan becoming one of the bad guys if he thought it'd help his political career after the way he screwed over his brother. I am also interested in seeing what's going to happen to the cop.

Best line of the night, Ando to Hiro: "If you mention tights and a cape I'm going home."

[Strider]

I liked the episode as well. I knew that the episode would end with Claire waking up somewhere. I wasn't quite expecting her to wake up with her chest cut open though. I figured that she'd wake up right before she got cut open or something.


Anyway, another good episode. My favorite charater is still Hiro. He's just so full of infectuous energy, and he is rather funny. :)

[Kaeos]

It's the first show in a long time that has me looking at the clock at 10pm and going WTF?!?! It's over already? Drives me nuts how quick it's over and I have to wait another damn week!

[DaForce]

It's the first show in a long time that has me looing at the closk at 10pm and going WTF?!?! It's over already? Drives me nuts how quick it's over and I have to wait another damn week!


Okay, I read that and thought that you were going to the bathroom in the closet at 10pm. :lol:

[Intelligent_Design]

Awesome ep. The end was creepy and cool as was Sylar's closet.

[Kaeos]

Okay, I read that and thought that you were going to the bathroom in the closet at 10pm. :lol:

Yup. My typing sucks. Whaddya want. :smirk:

I said years ago this frackin board needed a spell checker

[Son of Gilbert]

I thought it diid.

[awakenangel]

heroes is being picked up for another season but i'll wait and see for more annoucements because spike claimed it was going to pick up blade for another season but backed out.

[Meathead]

This show keeps on getting better and better! :D

There are very few shows on TV that give me chills, but for the third episode that I've seen, thi is the third time I've actually had my hackles raised by the end of the episode, and that's NOT a bad thing.

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I got chills at the end of episode 1, it was freakin' magical. I missed episode 2 (Leaf game), had chills when Hayden Panettiere woke up on the autopsy table at the end of episode three and was totally blown away by Hiro's transformation as the warrior from the future at the end of tonight's episode four...I CANNOT wait for the rest of the season and will be rewatching the first three episodes this Sunday from 8-11 when they re-air. This is one Neilsen household that WON'T be watching NFL Sunday Night Football that night, baby!

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All in all, I am more than happy with Tim Kring's other show...it has hooked me better than Crossing Jordan ever did!

[Monic]

It was indeed an awesome episode! :)

[Strider]

I agree. Thus far Heroes has done a good job of keeping us on the hook. They reveal enough new things each week to keep us watching, but there is still plenty of mystery as well...which keeps us wanting to watch even more. I hope they are able to maintain this balance throughout the season.

I'm not sure how long they can keep up this "surprise ending" thing going without it getting hokey, but it works so far. I really liked how Hiro looked at the end of the episode, and I was intrigued by his "you look different without the scar" comment.


Bring on the next episode! :D

[neglet]

The pacing on this show is great. I love how they're bringing together the various characters, we're learning more about the future and what needs to be done, and the endings! Let's just say that last night I almost yelled at the TV because it said "to be continued" and I still wanted more.

This is my favorite new show of the season, and quickly becoming one of my favorites overall. Let's hope it's in reruns by the time "24" starts airing in January. (Thank God for TIVO!)

[Meathead]

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Ummm...yeah, watching it again on nbc.com 's ReWind...man, I'm starting to wonder about Niki. I know Tim Kring mentioned that she had a Jekyll and Hyde/She-Hulk kind of power but will it be for good or for evil? I mean could we see Ali Larter switch sides if she can't learn to control the power? Sure, it's all good that so far she's using it to protect Micah, but what if Micah has a set of powers of his own as well? He does appear to be extraordinarily perceptive...also...upon further review...here's what's interseting to me...one of her lines is: "If you ever threaten our son again, I will put my heel through your head..." There's an interesting dichotomy there, a contrast between "our" and "I" and "my"...which leads me to the conclusion that her alter-ego is fully aware of the situation, but Niki's surface persona isn't...which could make things really interesting.

I wanna talk about Claire, too...I was reading an interview at Super-Hero Hype! where apparently, she mentioned the fact that Tim was thinking of pulling a Kenny on her...which will be great fun to see..."Oh my God, you killed Claire! You BASTARDS!" lol :D


***END SPOILERS***

[DaForce]

PROTECT THE CHEERLEADER!!



I was wondering why Jeph Loeb mentioned this at Comic Con, and then it was said again during last night's preview of next week.

I'm starting to think that Claire's dad is actually one of the good guys trying to find everyone to band them together, but is doing it in secret so as not to attract attention from Skylar....or another mysterious agency that has evil intentions.

[Jakester]

Yeah, I thought her Dad was Skyler for a while, but now I'm reconsidering -- and reconsidering that he's the bad guy, despite the fact that he was shown on screen when the VO announcer said "face of evil" on the preview.

[Intelligent_Design]

This is my favorite new show of the season, and quickly becoming one of my favorites overall.


This show + Supernatural + Deadwood + Dr. Who + 24 + Dexter has made this the Best overall TV viewing year of my life. Seriously. And I haven't got around to watching BSG yet.

I really thought Heroes was gonna be another "Surface". Boy was I wrong.

[Cuchulainn]

Great episode. It was fun to see Ninja Hiro. :D

I loved how Ando got Hiro to help cheat at the casino. "Is Peter Parker cheating when he sells pictures of Spider-Man?"

[Kaeos]

Yeah, I thought her Dad was Skyler for a while

Funny, I thought he might be Sylar. Who's Skyler? :D

This funkin show rocks. :)

Jake - can't believe you didn't comment on Clair's bloody nipple shot when she puts herself back together on the autopsy table.

[rappites]

I think Jake even has limits. . .

Who the hell am I fooling. . . .

[awakenangel]

My guess on who's skylar, is either the loan shark or the online schzoid's husband. I know i'm reaching but if it's one of the heroes:eek: :) that would be cool as well.

[neglet]

Actually, I think Nikki's husband is dead--the body she dug up out in the desert--and I think her alter ego killed him. And I think her son saw something, which is why he asks her why she thinks his dad is a bad guy.

[Jakester]

I missed the bloodly nipple shot, I guess. Was busy with the baby at the time.
Skylar, SO-[rry!

I'm with Negs on Nikki and her husband. My wife thought that it was her husband who was posessing Nikki, but I think I got her over to the dual personality thing instead.

[colmatrix]

Does anyone else think that this is one of the goriest shows around? Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining. But watching the cheerleader close up her open chest almost made me gag. Some of the stuff on this show even beats CSI for gross-out factor.

[omicron]

Finally watched epi3, and you're all correct. The last scene was cool as hell. I couldn't catch what the cop was hearing in the bar from the black guy watching him, but anyone notice his necklace had the half-helix/S from the previous episode?

Still got to watch Epi4.

Omi

[Kara Milovy]

Here's a thing to watch for. In Monday's episode, Not-Nikki had a tattoo on her shoulder. I'm very curious to see if Nikki has the same tattoo. I think it's a clue.

[fastcar]

I liked Clay Asian being all future ninja boy.


Nikki's Husband isn't dead, he broke out of prison and is on the lam. He also has the ability to phase.

[Kaeos]

I liked Clay Asian being all future ninja boy.


Nikki's Husband isn't dead, he broke out of prison and is on the lam. He also has the ability to phase.



And just how the heck do you know that?:smirk:

[Al-Dog]

Despite having a glass jaw, Hiro is probably the most powerful person on the show. So why does he need a samurai sword?

I know nothing is cooler than a samurai sword, but what is he going to do, stop time, cut someone’s head off, and then start time again? That doesn’t seem very sporting.

[Kara Milovy]

Despite having a glass jaw, Hiro is probably the most powerful person on the show. So why does he need a samurai sword?

I know nothing is cooler than a samurai sword, but what is he going to do, stop time, cut someone’s head off, and then start time again? That doesn’t seem very sporting.

Betcha anything it's just part of a costume 'cause he likes looking cool.

[Bokchoi Cowboy]

Despite having a glass jaw, Hiro is probably the most powerful person on the show. So why does he need a samurai sword?

I know nothing is cooler than a samurai sword, but what is he going to do, stop time, cut someone’s head off, and then start time again? That doesn’t seem very sporting.


I wonder if the creators are fans of Stephenson's Snowcrash...as the main character is named Hiro and does go around sporting a samurai sword, both in reality and in the Metaverse (internet with VR interfacing)...some of the shit that Hiro does in the computer world can be thought of as similar to what Hero's...Hiro...does with time in the tv show....

[fastcar]

And just how the heck do you know that?:smirk:

wikipedia :D

[Al-Dog]

Despite having a glass jaw, Hiro is probably the most powerful person on the show. So why does he need a samurai sword?

I know nothing is cooler than a samurai sword, but what is he going to do, stop time, cut someone’s head off, and then start time again? That doesn’t seem very sporting.

This just speculation on my part, but what if . . .

Hiro isn’t the only person with his powers. What if this person or group isn’t very nice? How would you fight them? I’d image a gun or any sort of projectile weapon wouldn’t work if time was stopped. It seems that Hiro can control things that he is in physical contact with, but I image that a bullet would just hang in mid air as soon as it left a gun. In such an scenario a sword would make sense.

Also, if Hiro stopped time just as a gun was fired, and if he was to take the bullet and turn it around or at an angle, would it continue in the same direction that it initially going, only backwards or at an angle or would go in the direction that it’s pointing?

[southpaw]

This just speculation on my part, but what if . . .

Hiro isn’t the only person with his powers.




Peter could have Hiro's powers. Peter could have anyones powers it looks like. It would be bad news if Pete went crazy down the road and used Hiro's powers to go back into time and mess with the "heroes" futures by f*cking up their past. That would be something all right.......

[Al-Dog]

Peter could have Hiro's powers. Peter could have anyones powers it looks like.

I'm guessing that's why Hiro went back in time to Peter. He's probably going to have him go to Las Vegas and save present day Hiro's butt.

[southpaw]

Alls I know is that I can't wait for Monday! :D

[Jakester]

Man, Stephenson is B-O-R-I-N-G-!
I still can't get through Cryptonomicon. The characters are dull, the plot could be interesting, but it's not presented as such, and the crypto stuff is just dry.

[Cncrman]

Ok, I was buzzing around the net when I noticed this on a "Heroes" fansite:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v713/Cncrman/normal_cp-characters-01.jpg

I find it interesting that Scary Black Dude (or SBD) is holding Micah's hand. Father perhaps? Niki's Hubby?

Questions abound.

[Kara Milovy]

Interesting that Simone is there. As far as we know, she has no powers.

[Kaeos]

Interesting that Simone is there. As far as we know, she has no powers.

Neither does Mohinder.

[Cncrman]

Psssh....whatever Mohinder has the power of "Calm Voiceover" at the begining and end of every show. He's like a god!



EDIT: on closer inspection of the pic I posted, that is not SBD but D.L, Micah's Dad and Niki's excon hubby.

[Al-Dog]

Interesting that Simone is there. As far as we know, she has no powers.

What do you mean no power? Have you seen those eyes? She has the power to keep me watching every week. :D

Which is what going to do right now . . .

[fastcar]

Nice to see another Buffy Alum, back on tv.

DL Hawskins is Robert Leonard who played Forrest in season 4.

[neglet]

By SBD do you mean the hollow man who takes memories? I didn't get a good look at Nikki's ex, except to see he had the same hairstyle (or lack thereof) as SBD. They can't be the same person, unless that person can also travel between Texas and Las Vegas in the blink of an eye.

Anyhoo, extremely cool episode yesterday. I love how they keep connecting the heroes (Hiro & Nathan, Nikki & Hiro's friend, Peter & Isaac) and give us new information every week. I mean, I'm always left wanting MORE, yet I don't feel frustrated that I haven't really learned anything. (Do you hear me, LOST? You could learn quite a bit about pacing from this new show.)

[DaForce]

By SBD do you mean the hollow man who takes memories? I didn't get a good look at Nikki's ex, except to see he had the same hairstyle (or lack thereof) as SBD. They can't be the same person, unless that person can also travel between Texas and Las Vegas in the blink of an eye.

Anyhoo, extremely cool episode yesterday. I love how they keep connecting the heroes (Hiro & Nathan, Nikki & Hiro's friend, Peter & Isaac) and give us new information every week. I mean, I'm always left wanting MORE, yet I don't feel frustrated that I haven't really learned anything. (Do you hear me, LOST? You could learn quite a bit about pacing from this new show.)


The guy playing Nikki's ex is the guy who played one of the paramilitary soldiers in the underground college army complex. He was the best friend of Buffy's boy toy, Riley.

As for what you said about Lost, that's what I said about it at the end of season one, and into the beginning of season two. But then again, I was slammed for 'not understanding' the dynamics of the show. :rolleyes:

I'm sorry, but I recognize crap well enough to avoid stepping in it.

Lost = crap
Heroes = good tv

[sickness]

I watched this for the first time last night. Didn't have much hope for it when I say the ads before it started and really wasn't interested but the woman wanted to watch and so there I was... finding myself pleasantly surprised that it actually seems pretty good.

[RedKarma]

I couldn't catch what the cop was hearing in the bar from the black guy watching him, but anyone notice his necklace had the half-helix/S from the previous episode?
Omi


The symbol the "hollow man" is wearing is also the same tattoo Nikki has. Calling card, maybe?

[Son of Gilbert]

The same symbol can be seen on "future" Hiro's sword when he made the quantum leap to the past.

[Al-Dog]

I had noticed that symbol several times as well. I did a google search and found this on wikipedia.
A frequently appearing symbol linked to the new heroes strongly resembles a stylized RNA molecule. This symbol has appeared numerous times and is frequently in some way related to a hero:

In the swimming pool at a double homicide crime scene in which Matt Parkman was involved.

As a recurring shape shown scrolling across a laptop screen in a genetic profiling program created by Chandra Suresh.

On a drawing done by Peter Petrelli.

Frequently painted by Isaac Mendez.

On a post-it note on the map in Mohinder Suresh's apartment.

Written on a geometry textbook owned by Claire Bennet.

Written on pictures in Sylar's apartment.

As a tattoo on the shoulder of Niki Sanders' alternate personality.

Engraved on the hilt of Future Hiro's katana.

Printed on the front of Chandra Suresh's book.

Printed on the upper left corner of the 14th issue of '9th Wonders comic book, written by Isaac Mendez (The 13th issue that Micah was reading did not have the symbol).

A necklace around Mr. Bennet's special assistant's neck.

I had noticed most of them, some I had missed.

[Kaeos]

Peter could have Hiro's powers. Peter could have anyones powers it looks like.

Nice catch! That was cool.

Awesome when Nathan took off in the desert - then did the 90 degree sonic boom - exit, stage right! Funkin cool.:cool:

[awakenangel]

He's the "duplicate boy" {a dc comic villian in the legion of superheros time: most known for killing karate kid.} of the heroes universe. I hope soon he can retain those powers and not have to be around the "Specials." to adapt their powers.

. I loved the way, how the future congressman landed as well as flew. I hope he can fly faster than sound. Time will tell. I wonder what powers the little boy has with.....spoiler.....







with two parents with powers. And knows about his mother as well as his father.

"Love that Heroes!":)

[southpaw]

I just wonder if Peter mimics people's powers when they are near or takes their powers from them for a period of time.


Caution! I have a theory.........





My theory so far is that Sylar could be Peter from the future. Maybe Peter goes wacky somehow....like coming in contact with Niki for a long period of time, her power seems to have a crazy side to it....then uses Hiro to come back to mess up the future.


Maybe he finds out how to keep people's powers with the help of Mohinder Suresh's pop.....brains maybe?



Just a thought.

[fastcar]

I believe Peter does have the power to absorb or mimic ala Rogue or Mimic for that matter.

[Meathead]

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Niki/Jessica Sanders: Jekyll and Hyde
Nathan Petrelli: flight
Peter Petrelli: power mimicry
Isaac Mendez: foretelling
Hiro Nakamura: manipulate space and time
Matt Parkman: hear thoughs
Claire Bennet: invincibility
DL: phasing
Micah Sanders: super intelligence
Haitian Man: psionic abilities
Sylar: ??? Maybe all of them? Like Uluru...just the ultimate monster...
HRG/Mr. Bennet: general creepy aura projection
Mohinder Suresh: ultimate skepticism?

I had another thought, but I wonder, with Peter's power, does it drain the other person or can he just tap into it without affecting them?

Oh, and another thing. About Niki/Jessica: Culd it be that the bitch persona is the dominant one and the mild loving mother (Jessica's polar opposite) is the alternate that is pushed to the front? My roommate was postualting that Jessica (the ass-kicker) is ALWAYS aware of what is going on, and as a result of this, has pushed the meeker personality to the front to protect her son from herself, which could explain why when Jessica comes out to play, Niki blacks out...we'll have to see how they pursue that...

That's what I got so far, and I just can't wait to see where they go with this!

[jayce78]

Next week she'll actually come face to face with herself . So we'll see .

[Al-Dog]

Niki/Jessica Sanders: Jekyll and Hyde
Where did you get the name Jessica? Was it on the show?

[Kara Milovy]

ARGH!

HELP ME with spoiler for this week.

In the last seconds, just as she came to the door and asked if he was Isaac, the TiVo cut off. What happened?

[Jakester]

Same with me, Kara. I'm guessing that's where it ended, tho.

[Son of Gilbert]

She told him she was a big fan and she shoot him with laser beam eyes!!!!!





Well thats not true, Jake is right thats where it ended. But the teaser for next week looked very good, it looked like a few of the gifted finally meet.

[Meathead]

Where did you get the name Jessica? Was it on the show?
There's an interview at http://www.9thwonders.com - one of the episode directors blogs there and he put in her name...

What really upset me was her "death"...I want to see more of Niki!

[Al-Dog]

There's an interview at http://www.9thwonders.com - one of the episode directors blogs there and he put in her name...

What really upset me was her "death"...I want to see more of Niki!

Thanks!

I like Niki also. I was reading the Heroes blog at NBC and it seem that a lot of people there didn't like her. IMHO she is one of the most interesting characters on the show. I’ve got a theory about her, which I’ll post as soon as I finish developing it.

[madi]

Some one help me with this.... how could Nikki have killed the poker players? Wasn't she with DL at the time?

[Kara Milovy]

DL heard her getting up, but she doesn't remember getting up...her alter-ego (Jessica?) got up, killed the poker players, and came back.

[neglet]

ARGH!

HELP ME with spoiler for this week.

In the last seconds, just as she came to the door and asked if he was Isaac, the TiVo cut off. What happened?

Isaac let her (Eden) come in. That was the end.

My TIVO cut off, too, but the channel hadn't changed and I finished watching before 10:30, so I rewound to see the last couple of seconds. If (when :angry) they cancel "Studio 60," I'll have to reset my season pass to record an extra 2 minutes.

Anyone else think that the couple who came to visit Claire weren't her real birth parents? And that both adoptive father and birth father knew it? He's an interesting piece of work, Claire's dad. We still don't know why he's after all the heroes, but did you see the expression on his face when Eden told him about the "save the cheerleader" message? It seems clear he really does love Claire, and I wonder if that will set up a conflict in the future for him.

No cop or flyboy this episode, but I liked the focus on Nikki and her ex. I hope she's not really dead, although that would be quite sneaky of NBC if she is, given how much publicity Ali Larter did ahead of time. Perhaps only one of of Nikki's personalities has been killed? If the tough girl was the one killed, that would leave soft Nikki alone. What will she do to get Micah back? Will she develop her old alternate's powers (strength), or will she generate a new alternate? Or if she's the alternate, what if she discovers that? She's so interesting and ambiguous (why did the alternate frame the husband in the first place--it seems like that set all the problems in motion) I'd hate to see her gone.

I still think Hiro is the MVP of the show, though. His humor and enthusiasm bring needed lightness to the show, and you could especially see that when Ando convinced him that later he could go back and right things. His relief was palpable ... it's going to be interesting to see him change from his current, almost child-like enthusiasm to the all-business future-Hiro with a sword.

With each passing week, I like this show better and "Lost" seems shallow by comparison.

[Jakester]

Claire's birth parents were plants, to be sure. Yes, her Dad loves her. but he's known for some time about her abilities. I'm wondering if all of the heroes are engineered and he's responsible for secretly keeping tabs on them; we just THINk he's all sinister. Claire's mom is a freak.

Hiro is A-W-E-S-O-M-E-!

[neglet]

I'm wondering if all of the heroes are engineered and he's responsible for secretly keeping tabs on them; we just THINK he's all sinister.

That seems plausible, except for two things: first, the emphasis on Mohinder's dad's research, which speculates on natural mutations; and second, the wide age range of the heroes. Claire, the youngest, is 16 or 17, while the oldest is probably Nathan, and he's probably no younger than early 30s.

I think it's more likely that Claire's dad (on the website they call him HRG) is involved in tracking the heroes, either for the government or some other agency.

[Jakester]

I know. The research is all about natural mutations, but something (and I don't recall what) led me to suspect that the mutations were somehow "assisted." I'm not sold on the theory I posited, either as the one you mentioned also gets equal time in my head regarding HRG.

[Cncrman]

Jake, weren't you the one who near the begining of the show said that the Pixie haired neighbor (Eden) of Mohinder's was a plant?

If so, congrats on that. I sort of felt the same when she was introduced and now we know for sure.

I have a feeling Niki and ikiN (Mirror Niki - thank you TWoP (http://www.televisionwithoutpity.com/articles/category_2914.html) for the reference) will be back. Something about the voiceover at the end of the show about how "Sometimes in order to survive evolutionary change can be drastic and painful" (I'm paraphrasing). I think she will have a more pronounced change now. Maybe more along the lines of a physical form; read Hulk-esque.

Just a guess though.

Question: I didn't catch how DL took out ikiN. Did he phase his hand through her heart? Because there were some shots that I swore I saw his hand around her neck too. So confused.

[Meathead]

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DL had a hand phased into her chest and a hand around Niki/Jessica's throat (I think I'll just call her N/J for short) at the same time, and I don't care how strong you are, that's got to hurt. I'm more inclined to believe that she is just unconscious, as her character is just too good and too deep (though we haven't seen it yet) to let her go.

I think there was a little serendipity in Ando freaking out and dragging Hiro to the bathroom just in time to miss Jessica's appearance at the poker game, but that's OK, I'll take it.

I was wondering about N/J's powers though. Could it be that Niki is the submissive personality in all this, and Jessica, realising the potential danger she poses to Micah forced the meek Niki personality to the surface as the public face of N/J? We know that Jessica is NOT a nice person, and that Niki is all sugar and light, but how will those two play off against each other? Also, I didn't call it here, but rather on the message boards at http://www.9thwonders.com that N/J had shafted DL's crew in the second episode, which would explain why Niki didn't know what Jessica had done and experiences blanks whenever she "comes forward". These blackouts also lend credence to the fact that Jessica is always in control and Niki is the puppet that she uses to get things done.

As for Micah, I saw him last night on a CSI: Miami episode and the kid hasn't changed a bit. Still as cute as ever. But the trailer for the new episode does raise a few questions, like "Does Micah have a power, seeing as both of his parents are "supers"?" and "Will N/J survive?" and "How cool would it be to have two supoers fight it out?" and "When will we see Uluru?" :D

[Kaeos]

As for Micah, I saw him last night on a CSI: Miami episode and the kid hasn't changed a bit. :D

I caught that too.

I highly doubt Nikki is dead.

Ando freaked becuase he saw the gun under the table.

I'm confused becuase I thought DL and the other mind wipe bad guy were the same person.

I this was actually my least favorite episode thus far. I like the pacing of the show, but this week was just too slow. I felt like other than Nikki / DL nothing happened in this episode.

[Kara Milovy]

Okay. Claire's "parents" were definitely plants. HRG stands for Horn-Rimmed Glasses. HRG knew about Claire when he got the video.

I think there's a time twist going on. Hiro is going to get a sword because he found out from Peter that in the future he has the sword. Now HRG learns about "Save the Cheerleader" from the future, and now he knows that his own daughter is the key. The thing is, the other side is the enemy, which means he now knows he must work against his own daughter.

[DaForce]

I just had a weird thought...what if HRG kidnapped Claire a few years back and had 'hollow man' erase all her memories of who she was and implanted new ones?

What if by 'saving' Claire, the others unlock her memories which are needed to save the world?

[Son of Gilbert]

For that matter a few of the other may have had their minds wiped clean then stuck back into society.
Good thought.

[neglet]

I just had a weird thought...what if HRG kidnapped Claire a few years back and had 'hollow man' erase all her memories of who she was and implanted new ones?

What if by 'saving' Claire, the others unlock her memories which are needed to save the world?

Interesting thought ... but what kind of memories could a kid have that could save the world? Maybe something about her real parents? :headscratch:

I was going to say that it seems like Claire's grown up in her family, that she's been around too long to be have been kidnapped and inserted into the fmaily, but I suppose her mom and brother could have been erased/implanted, too. :eek: Such fun, trying to figure some of these things out.

[Al-Dog]

Here are some random thoughts.

It seems to me that Claire’s father and his organization has been in business for a while. You don’t put together something that is capable of identifying, tracking, monitoring and erasing the memory of super humans over night. They seem to have a way of detecting people with powers before the people themselves are aware that they have powers.

For example, what if Niki had the capability of super strength or whatever her power is, but did not realize that she did? If the monitoring group while trying to gauge her powers caused some sort of dual personality (HM messing with her memory)? What we are watching now is her mind trying to become whole again.

I think that Claire has had her powers her entire life. She just never thought about them. She isn’t a klutz, she’s never felt pain. If she was normal and then developed them later, she would still have the instincts and habits of a person who has felt pain. Everyone has burnt their hand on a hot pan. You are going to look for a pot holder without even thinking about it.

Something dramatic most have happened to her recently (hit by a car, fell of a cliff) and all of a sudden she realized that she wasn’t like everyone else.

I think HRG and his organization found her when she was a baby. Mom is probably an agent as well. No one can be that ditzy. Maybe the brother was adopted and has powers as well or maybe HRG and Mom really had a kid.

[Kaeos]

Now HRG learns about "Save the Cheerleader" from the future, and now he knows that his own daughter is the key. The thing is, the other side is the enemy, which means he now knows he must work against his own daughter.

Ahh, but how do we know HRG is the bad guy?

Do we really know that for sure based on what we've seen so far?:headscratch:

[Cncrman]

You know what I got a kick out of last night?

The fact that when you have captions on, they label all of the dialogue for Claire's Dad as "HRG:....."

I cracked up about that when I saw it. Even captions call him "Horn Rimmed Glasses".

[awakenangel]

I'm speculating that {I forgot his name} but his father is still alive and he faked his own death. .:ohwell:

(They claim by Dec 4th, we will have some of they answers we are looking for and speculating about.} :headscratch:

I am now starting to have a love hate relationship with Heroes. I love to watch it but I hate it when I'm left hanging and have to wait until next week to see what happens next.:) :romy: :angry

[Meathead]

You too. huh? Man, it KILLS me each week to see tht damnable "To be continued..." flash...grrr... :D

[Kara Milovy]

I just had the most amazing realization.

Let's talk about Peter Petrelli. Peter has no powers except the ability to absorb the powers of others, right?

In the pilot, Peter was dreaming of flying. He thought he had the power of flight. Then he realized it was his brother's power. Then he did the stick figure, and that was Isaac's power, and that's how he figured out about the absorbing.

But wait, he had those dreams. And we don't have a dreamer.

Or do we?

Sonia, I think, has prophetic dreams and she's not admitting it. Either that, or weirder still, Sonia's dying father has them.

[KingVoyeur]

So I'm guessing radiation man is the one who is supposed to cause the big explosion. And Micah's power is friggin awesome! Just think, you could make the new Mania boards whatever you wanted them to be! :D

[Crazy Theory] Maybe Claire is Radioactive Man's daughter, and that's part of the reason why they have to protect her, so she can stop her father somehow. I mean, with a father with that kind of power, it's plausible that his child would need some kind of innate protection from him. [/Crazy Theory]

One thing that's starting to bug me is how the heroes keeping bumping into each other but then seperating again. You'd think a few of them would realize "hey, this person's got weird powers too, maybe we should stick together." I'm probably just being impatient, I know it's still early in the season, but damnit, I want my X-men/Justice League!!!

[neglet]

[Crazy Theory] Maybe Claire is Radioactive Man's daughter, and that's part of the reason why they have to protect her, so she can stop her father somehow. I mean, with a father with that kind of power, it's plausible that his child would need some kind of innate protection from him. [/Crazy Theory]

Except that Radioactive Man doesn't really look old enough to have a 16-year-old daughter. (He looks ghastly, but I think that's stress, not age.) But it does seem like his powers might be connected with the upcoming detonation in New York.

Claire might be essential to dealing with Radioactive Man not because she's related, but because she's the only one who can get close enough to him without being harmed. We don't know how close Hiro has to be to stop time, so if RM gets out of control, Claire may be the only one who can stop him.

I'm wondering why she's in danger, though. It seems like HRG really loves her, so I'm not sure he's the problem. I'm glad it looks like they'll be addressing the issue soon, though.

[Strider]

I, for one, am glad that Micah has a power. He was a really cool kid already, and his newly revealed power just gives him extra awesome points. :D

Also, Hiro continues to be my favorite character. He's just so geeky and hilarious. :Laugh:

[Kaeos]

I was a little unsure about Hiro showing the comic book to Micah and explaining his powers. Given the gravity of the situation, I can't see how that light hearted little conversation could even have gotten started. Frankly, Hiro didn't actually do much more than shove DL a few inches further away. I didn't see where anything miraculous looking - at least from Micah's perspective could have happened to make him go - wait, how'd you do that?

I was almost jumping out of my seat when I saw him pick up the reciever on that phone with the out of order sticker and close his eyes. I swear to god I sat forward and yelled at the TV "Come on kid, do it!" That was awesome.

In the "coming up" blurb after the show they did put out the question whether HGR was friend or foe.

RM is a little odd. He came in so quickly and with almost no explanation whatsoever. Did his powers just appear? Was he exposed to a radioactive source? Did Robocop drive the delivery truck into him plowing him into a huge tank of nuclear waste?!?!?! What's the deal?

every week at about 9:40 they take one last commercial break and I'm like come on, come on, I don't care about Studio 60 and My Name is Earl, get back to the damn show we've only got a few more minutes!!!!!

[Al-Dog]

I was a little unsure about Hiro showing the comic book to Micah and explaining his powers. Given the gravity of the situation, I can't see how that light hearted little conversation could even have gotten started. Frankly, Hiro didn't actually do much more than shove DL a few inches further away. I didn't see where anything miraculous looking - at least from Micah's perspective could have happened to make him go - wait, how'd you do that?
From Micah’s point of view, it would seem like one second his father and the lady he was rescuing was in front of him, and Hiro was next to him. A split second later they were together and on the side of the road.

[DaForce]

Claire might be essential to dealing with Radioactive Man not because she's related, but because she's the only one who can get close enough to him without being harmed. We don't know how close Hiro has to be to stop time, so if RM gets out of control, Claire may be the only one who can stop him.



Remember, flames, etc. can still hurt Hiro even though time has stopped. We saw that in last night's episode when he winced as he got near the flames. So since radiation is an entirely different thing, he'd be dead before he even got the chance to close his eyes.

Finally, my coworker and I had a good laugh about the radiation stuff in last night's episode. The cop and FBI agent walk into the room that's reading 1800 Curies....sorry, but they'd be dead right after turning around to walk out the door. As for the miraculous 'radiation pills', there are iodine pills, but there isn't anything to combat radiation poisoning as of yet. You get a dose, you're dead or wishing you were dead. Same thing with the guy's wife...if she was dosed that bad to be dying, she'd be killing everyone off in the hospital that got within 100 feet of her without proper shielding.

Too bad the writers didn't do just a little bit of research on radiation before adding that stuff in there.


Other than that, I liked the episode.

[Al-Dog]

Darn, I hate it when they screw with reality like that. Now I can’t watch my favorite show about time-stopping, future seeing, instant healing, flying humans.

[DaForce]

Darn, I hate it when they screw with reality like that. Now I can’t watch my favorite show about time-stopping, future seeing, instant healing, flying humans.


Hey, if you put superheroes in a real world environment (like they're doing in "Heroes") then I expect a modicum of research on something simple like radiation.

[Jakester]

I'm almost with you, Daffy, but since it's comic-bookesque, I gave it a pass.
There are a lot of physics and plain ol' body stress to deal with regarding Nathan's flying, too.

[Meathead]

Meh, it's television and a fantasy show, I can't expect it to be totally realistic...and what if Nathan's body has mutated to accept the stresses? Strengthened joints, hollow bones, second eyelid, etc? You never know!

[fastcar]

Maybe we're going to have a teamwork mentallity. Hiro develops the ability to stop time and have another person in the time stop as well. (Evidenced with Peter on the subway car.)

Maybe that's why they need the cheerleader. Hiro can stop time and bring Claire along to get near the radioactive source safely.

[Meathead]

But Hiro's ability to stop time was transferred to Peter because he's a power leech...like Rogue he can assume someone's powers for a short period of time. Unlike Rogue, though, it doesn't appear to drain their life force or hurt them...so he and Hiro could both move around, but anyone else would be frozen.

[Strider]

The radiation thing didn't bother me. Sure, I realized that it was very unrealistic, but it didn't get in the way of my enjoyment of the episode.

[DaForce]

But Hiro's ability to stop time was transferred to Peter because he's a power leech...like Rogue he can assume someone's powers for a short period of time. Unlike Rogue, though, it doesn't appear to drain their life force or hurt them...so he and Hiro could both move around, but anyone else would be frozen.


Ya know, it has never been stated that Peter's leeched abilities fade over time.

Case in point, it was speculated that Simone's dad had powers. Peter quit nearly a week before he (Simone's dad) died, yet he was still able to connect with Peter in his dreams.

[Kara Milovy]

I didn't like the radiation thing. I bothers me when a show works to create a "these superheroes are real" motif and then blows it on the stuff that is obvious and easy. I think they've made several stupid mistakes like that, but the show is still so interesting...!

[fastcar]

But Hiro's ability to stop time was transferred to Peter because he's a power leech...like Rogue he can assume someone's powers for a short period of time. Unlike Rogue, though, it doesn't appear to drain their life force or hurt them...so he and Hiro could both move around, but anyone else would be frozen.


Very good point.

[KingVoyeur]

So HRG looks like he could be good, but I'm not completely buying it just yet. Who knows what he's gonna do with Skylar (by the way, nice to see a telekinetic character on the show, just sucks that he's evil) when he gets his hands on him. You know all the parent groups are gonna be complaining that their kids are gonna wanna go shoot up now so they can have super powers too. http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g129/BlackStarTiger/Aargh.gif

I liked the cute photographic memory waitress, but c'mon, what kind of power is that? Now we've got a whole "disturbing the timeline" thing to deal with. Did Hiro create an alternate timeline? Did he actually fix anything? Is he trapped between times? Will your head explode from thinking about it for more than five minutes? And how about how she got her head opened just like she was opening that can of tomatoes, gives your imagination something to keep you up at night with doesn't it?
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g129/BlackStarTiger/Chainsaw.gif

So Mohinder's a dreamer now? I'm not quite sure if that's an actual power or just a one-time thing. It sure seems like his dad thought he had a power.

Next week looks gooooooood. Can't wait to see who all gets involved in the "Skylar-stalking-cheerleader-in-school-at-night" (sounds like a slasher flick, but when was the last time those involved had superpowers?). My question is, even if Skylar does get to her, would she be able to heal back?

[neglet]

So Mohinder's a dreamer now? I'm not quite sure if that's an actual power or just a one-time thing. It sure seems like his dad thought he had a power.

Or that Mohinder's sister had a power, or the potential for a power. Remember, his mom told him "she WAS special."

But now we have the testimony of Radioactive Man and Matt Parkman on there actually being a single moment when their powers were activated. Both saw the Haitian (which ties them to HRG), both lost time, and both have that strange scar.

So it seems that Mohinder's father discovered a way to find the potential Heroes; HRG & Co. discovered a way to activate their powers; and Sylar wants to kill them all. So was Mohinder's father killed because he was giving Sylar a way to find the Heroes? It seems possible.

I look forward to next week--and I liked Hiro going back in time to save the cute waitress, because he started to show some of the confidence and fortitude that we saw in future Hiro's visit to Peter.

[fastcar]

Out of curiosity, how did Isaac end up with Mohinder's gal pal and HRG? The last I remember of her was when she called HRG after Mohinder left.

[neglet]

If you have TIVO, that part was partially cut off. After Mohinder left, Eden went over to Isaac's place and convinced him to let her inside. Cut to next week, Isaac's not at his place but with HRG.

[Kara Milovy]

Here's what I think; they start showing power, and then HRG does something that solidifies them. Because Matt was starting to hear thoughts before he was snatched.

And that child in the dreams? Is that maybe the sister?

[Cncrman]

So Mohinder's a dreamer now? I'm not quite sure if that's an actual power or just a one-time thing. It sure seems like his dad thought he had a power.

I got the impression it wasn't Mohinder, it was the little kid with the Soccer ball causing the dreams.

Or was that suppose to be a young Mohinder?

[neglet]

It could be the sister, because the name on the folder with the picture of the little kid wasn't Mohinder's. I didn't retain all that information, so I'm not sure if the names matched.

[Meathead]

The kids name is Sajog Iyer, Mohinder's sister was named Shandi, and she died at age 5 (Mohinder was 2) and Chandra Suresh had a file on him (on 9th Wonders, someone said it meant prince) locked in a drawer that Mohinder unlocked after the kid (Iyer) gave him the key after showing him Chandra Suresh's death at the hands of someone in his cab. It seems the kid has the ability to make dreams feel quasi-real, and to manifest physical objects in the dream as he gives Mohinder the key...I'm going to have to watch it again...lol

[DaForce]

What if the kid is actually the split personality of Mohinder? It's the part of him that has the power (ala Nikki/Jessica). The file could have been his father's research on his son...remember, the articles mentioned breakthroughs in dream research.

[neglet]

The kids name is Sajog Iyer, Mohinder's sister was named Shandi, and she died at age 5 (Mohinder was 2) and Chandra Suresh had a file on him (on 9th Wonders, someone said it meant prince) locked in a drawer that Mohinder unlocked after the kid (Iyer) gave him the key after showing him Chandra Suresh's death at the hands of someone in his cab. It seems the kid has the ability to make dreams feel quasi-real, and to manifest physical objects in the dream as he gives Mohinder the key...I'm going to have to watch it again...lol

Ah, thanks for clearing that up. I thought the kid looked too old to be the sister, and if it had been young Mohinder he should have recognized himself. I think the boy's just a local, and will force Mohinder to keep exploring--to find him and keep working on Chandra's research.

The kid did not give Mohinder the actual key, just pointed it out in the dream. (The key was hidden in the little leather notebook in Chandra Suresh's belongings.) So I think his ability is strictly being able to direct other people's dreams, and insert himself into them.

[Greyman]

Looks like this may have officially moved into the Tier 1 spot... (http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117954335.html?categoryid=14&cs=1)

[Meathead]

sah-weeeet!

[Greyman]

Read a pretty cool interview with Tim Kring in Entertainment Weekly.

It's got some spoilers, but they label them pretty well.

Click here for it. (http://www.ew.com/ew/report/0,6115,1553770_3_0_,00.html)

[Jetpackjesus]

Not sure if this has been brought up yet, but did they save the right cheerleader? I mean, the bitchy one is dead (or looked pretty dead) and she's a cheerleader. What if they were supposed to save her? Any thoughts on this?

[Al-Dog]

George Takei cast as Hiro’s dad! ( http://community.tvguide.com/thread.jspa?threadID=700012436)

What a great idea!

[Greyman]

Hmmm...wonder if more "...earlier' episodes are in the works...

[Jakester]

Sometimes, like this time, it's a valid plot device. Stop whining.

[Kaeos]

Big fat Heroes marathon on Sci-Fi tonight.

Anyone else watching?

[omicron]

from TVGuide.com

In a press call to mark Heroes' Golden Globe nod (for best drama), as well as his own in bid for supporting actor honors, Masi Oka told TVGuide.com that when the series returns on Jan. 22, whereas the first half of the season was about each character's discovery of his/her ability, "The second half is more about the realization of it, and then the growth with those powers." Oka also previewed that as more heroes' paths intertwine, there will be "some wonderful, wonderful twists."

As for Hiro himself, Oka teased the friction between son and father (to be played by Star Trek's George Takei in two episodes, starting Jan. 29), and offered hope for new and not-quite-as-ill-fated romance for his alter ego. Having tried (yet failed) to save Charlie-the-waitress, the actor says, "I've heard from [series creator] Tim [Kring] that somewhere down the line — I'm not going to say when — there will definitely be another love interest for Hiro. From what I understand, it's going to be a new character... but who knows?" Indeed.

[DaForce]

YAY!!!

New episode on Mon.!!!


No more Mon. night tv deadspots!!

[Meathead]

PERFECT!
I am atingle with anticipation

[rappites]

Why does the invisible man bother wearing clothes?

[southpaw]

PrimaTech (http://www.primatechpaper.com/)



The code is MT36.

[Jakester]

Anyone catch the access code from the back of the card? MT36 doesn't do anything on the phone.

[Meathead]

Is it a real number, Jakester? I haven't called it yet...
As for the web, it's only good for those living in the States...I can't do anything with the servey because I'm Canadian...bummer!

[Jakester]

It's a real number. It works and you get a pre-recorded message.
No matter what option you choose, the operators are busy assisting other callers...but there's an option to enter your party's access code. Maybe it'll turn up in the next episode.

[Cncrman]

Anyone catch the access code from the back of the card? MT36 doesn't do anything on the phone.


FYI: It works here http://www.primatechpaper.com/career.shtml

Makes you fill out a form for an email response. I guess we are starting a Heroes Alternate Reality Game.

[Belledame]

rappites: Force of habit, Also, he might become visible agaun unexpectedly. I expect he'll learn to control it.

[Kaeos]

FYI: It works here http://www.primatechpaper.com/career.shtml

Makes you fill out a form for an email response. I guess we are starting a Heroes Alternate Reality Game.


So.....did you fill it out? I am tempted to, but based only on the fact that I see no reference to NBC, it's affiliates or anything even remotely connected to the company's that own Heroes, I'm kinda sketchy about giving my home phone and address.

[Jakester]

CSM, yeah, I did that. I was looking for a phone code, though.

K-Dawg, it's definitely from them. The phone number works, and the site was up when the scene aired (probably before), as was the phone number. It takes more than minutes to get that stuff set up. The domain name was registered by General Electric on 31 October 2006. It's legit.

[Kaeos]

I'll give it a whirl. But if you theive my ID Jake, I'm coming for ya. :lol:

[Meathead]

I have one small complaint about the show from this week:
They made reference to finding something in Lake Ramsey near Sudbury "100 miles outside of Ontario" and that kinda made me laugh...because SOMEONE didn't do their research.

Sudbury is approximately 250 miles or 400 kilometers from Toronto, the capital of Ontario. It is, most assuredly, inside Ontario (http://www.mapquest.com/directions/main.adp?go=1&do=nw&rmm=1&1gi=0&un=m&1da=-1.000000&1rc=L1AAA&cl=EN&qq=1ADqpk24ofBE9PhXNHlZYmhrgvzXofa6tAoTNhTl9TR%252 f7%252fof9U7J8ah%252fPR%252bxhNa0sipgjbBe716rqyfXi 1AMkbWt8M6Km1KwrW1bbU9Unt8JhoQYWhp5Yg%253d%253d&ct=NA&r=f&1si=ca&rsres=1&1y=US&1ffi=&1l=KZ0QJ9vftkBVDPWZl8jgLw%253d%253d&1g=K1bHQPQgA3JGprSXmWKp0g%253d%253d&1pl=&1v=ADDRESS&1n=&1pn=&1a=1100+CAVEN+STREET&1c=MISSISSAUGA&1s=ON&1z=L5G&2y=US&2ffi=&2l=&2g=&2pl=&2v=&2n=&2pn=&2a=&2c=Sudbury&2s=ON&2z=&panelbtn=2).
If you check out Google Maps, you can see Science North in the sattelite images of Ramsey Lake (or Lake Ramsey, either or) on the western shore when you zoom in.
As a matter of fact, Science North (http://www.sciencenorth.ca/science-north.html) in Sudbury was one of the original locations scouted to be the White Queen's Lair for the original X-Men script because of it's architecture.
http://www.mtarch.com/mtascinhigh.gif

[TrixieB]

Hey!! I've been there!!! Went with Kradey, the Kradey kids, Madigirl and Blade. A great time was had by all.

[Meathead]

It's a wonderful city, a wonderful place and Science North had the first 3-D IMAX in North America, I believe... :D

[omicron]

Talk with creator of Heroes on TVGuide.com (http://www.tvguide.com/News-Views/Interviews-Features/Article/default.aspx?posting={F8961642-14DF-4B42-828F-55306B77FEF6})

Slightly spoiler-ish, nothing major.

[Metuzalem]

So yeah, the first two episodes finally aired over here last night, about freaking time :anismirk:
Consider me very severely interested in this show. But where are the episode guides for the first 9 on here? The earliest one I can find is episode 10 and obviously I don't want to read ahead.
First impressions are great for me, yeah it didn't bite into me like Lost did but it DOES contain similar concepts which are the fundamental reasons I watch both shows now. My favourite characters are the ones that appear to be the most realistic in concept, Nikki, Isaac and the mind reading cop (whose name escapes me :headscratch: ).

[omicron]

Ok this just occured to me. From last night's episode, it appears that Sylar can't automatically control the power he steals, even if the person who had them can control them. Could this mean that he causes the explosion that wipes out NYC?

[neglet]

So yeah, the first two episodes finally aired over here last night, about freaking time :anismirk:
Consider me very severely interested in this show. But where are the episode guides for the first 9 on here? The earliest one I can find is episode 10 and obviously I don't want to read ahead.
First impressions are great for me, yeah it didn't bite into me like Lost did but it DOES contain similar concepts which are the fundamental reasons I watch both shows now. My favourite characters are the ones that appear to be the most realistic in concept, Nikki, Isaac and the mind reading cop (whose name escapes me :headscratch: ).

We haven't been commenting episode by episode in this forum, but rather on individual character threads. Which does make it difficult for you poor viewers over the pond to stay unspoilered. Starting next week we can start new threads for each episode.

[Metuzalem]

Yeah, I know I suck. At least Lost and 24 are only days behind, I don't know what the hell the Sci-fi channel have been playing at taking this long to get Heroes on!

That reminds me, I really must start buying all the 4400 box sets.

[Al-Dog]

My favourite characters are the ones that appear to be the most realistic in concept, Nikki, Isaac and the mind reading cop (whose name escapes me :headscratch: ).I have always liked the powers that were exaggerations of things people can already do. For example, Clair with her healing abilities, most people can heal from a wound, she just does it better.

Powers like Clair’s or Niki/Jessica’s strength or the waitress’s memory or the lady last night with the super hearing should be fairly “common” in the sense that there would other individuals with those abilities. And even thought they haven’t introduced anyone yet, I’m sure there are some people with super speed as well.

The next tier would be people with mental powers like Matt they would be rarer, but not totally unique.

The total unique gifts would be abilities like Hiros, Peter, Nathan and Claude. Powers like these are completely out of left field, without any sort of precedent.

[Metuzalem]

OK, I'm lost now, I haven't been introduced to half those characters yet :lol:

[Deacon]

Yeah, I know I suck. At least Lost and 24 are only days behind, I don't know what the hell the Sci-fi channel have been playing at taking this long to get Heroes on!
'Lost' and '24' are only days behind over here because of the way those shows have been scheduled in the States. Most shows there start in September/October and end in May. Which means that there are a number of weeks where new episodes aren't broadcast (reruns are shown instead). That's why (normally) we have to wait until the New Year until U.S. shows are broadcast here, so that once they start, there're new episodes every week until the end of the season.

In the case of 'Lost', it was off the air for a couple of months in the States, so by the time it returned, the UK was on the same ep. And, as I understand it, '24' didn't start until January in the U.S., so there are no reruns in its scheduling (as far as I'm aware).

If you can't wait, you could always download. Not that I'm recommending such an option. Or anything.

[DarkJedi]

Okay folks.

This thread was definitely useful in indicating that we need a Heroes forum by looking at how fast it grew.

Still, this thread doesn't have the word SPOILERS in its title and it also doesn't help out new audiences to the show get an understanding of show to show aspects.

From now on, when a new show comes on each week, someone can put up a seperate thread titled:

Example Thread Title:
Episode 17-"Company Man" 2/26/07 *Spoiler Reviews*

Since we already have threads to discuss the characters provided by in large part by our resident Heroes guru, Meathead and Co, I'll go ahead and close this thread. From now on, we can discuss it in those threads.