Sub Mariner Casting - Part 2

[WC]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bigkid:
<B> WELSHY!
"The" Damon?? What....... you think he's SOOO good that he should be referred to as "The" Damon?? What is he...like Donald Trump, being referred to like "The" Donald??
I'm not entirely up to just chucking the idea of the ankle wings, I'd like to be able to figure out how they'd utilize it in the film. The way they did it in the comics, when he makes it as a discovery that at first startles him...... I think using THAT concept can make for a lot of fun in the film. And then how he will then realize how useful the gift of flight is. Remember: He's living under the sea, I'm not too certain Namor even realizes about the world above him.... the sky, birds in the air, airplanes, etc.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, he could be The Damon - maybe he could host business reality show like The Donald, and call it The Submariner's Apprentice! http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/biggrin.gif

As for the ankle wings, that depends on the tone they take for the film. If it's done in a lighthearted way, then people will not take it seriously. But if it is portrayed in a more horrific way (as if this is something quite shocking to have), then people might adopt that serious mindset also. I would personally prefer to see them, or at least see Namor fly than not fly.



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Meoww! Send in the clowns!

[Bigkid]

Well, for myself, the way I sort of envisioned it was that he's maybe on the outskirts of Atlantis, let's say, with some Atlantean buddies of his. They enter a part of the outer domain that they've been told before by their elders NOT to go to. When they arrive there, they are chased by something akin to an underwater Yetti (bear with me on this one, folks!) As they all swim out to get out of harm's way, one of their buddies get caught in underwater debris of some kind (I don't know..... like a sunken piece of a broken part of a Submarine, let's just say). As everybody is high-tailing it outta there, Namor hear's his buddie's cries for help. He turns about, and goes back, throwing this hulk of debris off of his friend, and pulling him out of there JUST in time before the beast get's to them (OHHH...ISN'T THIS EXCITING!!?)

At any rate, Namor swims out with his friend....and at the same time, passes everyone by as he speeds on through. They are all able to escape this underwater terror, but don't understand how it is that Namor was able to outswim EVERYONE the way he did. Then, suddenly, one of his friends says to Namor, "look at your feet, Namor!" That's when the camera does a slow pan down, and we see the ankle wings for the first time. The thing is, maybe Namor has been feeling ill at ease over the fact that he senses from his friends at different times they've actually been ostrisizing him a bit, due to his half-human heritage. Now, with these wings on his feet, he's feeling almost COMPLETELY feakish by now! And this makes him feel not so great about having these things on his feet.....until he starts utilizing this new gift in other different ways (i.e. going to the surface world, flying in the air, etc).

Look, I'm no David Self, but I'm giving it a shot!

WELSHY: Is THAT the sort of "light hearted" scenario that you were making referrence to, or does that have a little TOO much of "dark" to it?? Please.......SHARE with me your thoughts on this (and everyone else, as well!)

[D.K.HOOD]

I see you put a lot of thought into how Namor gets his wings Bigkid so I'll try to do the same. What you're suggesting seems to be in the same vein as Peter Parker's voyage of self discovery with his powers. If the part of the movie is done well then people would probably enjoy those "new ability" scenes, but they might also get a "been there--done that" kind of feeling while watching them.

I believe the ankle wings may be the one area of Namor where the director could pull a Sam Rami(by that I mean his whole organic webbing idea). Only this would be the opposite. I don't think they should be a natural part of his "mutation" but maybe something the Atlantean geneticists developed specifically for Namor because he is the only one them that could use the wings.

And seeing how the wings aren't close to big enough to make him fly since he is supposed to be a pretty big guy, and he's not Superman(flies for no explained reason except that he can defy gravity), I think Namor shouldn't really "fly", at least not the way most superheroes do. Maybe he could leap like the Hulk, but the wings would give him the ability to manuever in mid-air and slow down his descent so that he appears to be gliding.

Just a thought.

[Znluvx]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by D.K.HOOD:
<B>I see you put a lot of thought into how Namor gets his wings Bigkid so I'll try to do the same. What you're suggesting seems to be in the same vein as Peter Parker's voyage of self discovery with his powers. If the part of the movie is done well then people would probably enjoy those "new ability" scenes, but they might also get a "been there--done that" kind of feeling while watching them.

I believe the ankle wings may be the one area of Namor where the director could pull a Sam Rami(by that I mean his whole organic webbing idea). Only this would be the opposite. I don't think they should be a natural part of his "mutation" but maybe something the Atlantean geneticists developed specifically for Namor because he is the only one them that could use the wings.

And seeing how the wings aren't close to big enough to make him fly since he is supposed to be a pretty big guy, and he's not Superman(flies for no explained reason except that he can defy gravity), I think Namor shouldn't really "fly", at least not the way most superheroes do. Maybe he could leap like the Hulk, but the wings would give him the ability to manuever in mid-air and slow down his descent so that he appears to be gliding.

Just a thought.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sounds good to me D.K.

Or maybe his ability to fly is misidentified by surface dwellers, and is really his natural ability to breach like a dolphin, but at incredible heights. The vestigial ankle wings would perform as you described.

[D.K.HOOD]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Znluvx:
<B> Sounds good to me D.K.

Or maybe his ability to fly is misidentified by surface dwellers, and is really his natural ability to breach like a dolphin, but at incredible heights. The vestigial ankle wings would perform as you described.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah! Some people at the beach see something moving underwater at a high speed, getting closer and closer to the shore, then it shoots out of the water into the sky and the people look up to see a man high above them. I could definetly see that happening in the movie.

[username]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bigkid:
A likeable anti-hero type to play Namor.......hmmm...makes it even MORE interesting as to who they are going to choose for this finally, huh??<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Once again, if Marvel can't find an unknown or a virtually unknown to fill the part well then Arnold Swarzeneggar never happened.

[WC]

BigKid and DK's suggestion sound pretty good to me. When I say "lighthearted", I mean that it should be done in an overly camp way as if ankle wings are something to be laughed at. If you found them growing out of your ankles in real life, it would probably make you freak rather than making you think you look like a sissy.

I think Namor should seem more villanous at first, at the start of the movie. Both Namor and the humans have to experience some sort of emotional journey. While Namor has been compared to Star Wars underwater, I think there is a lot more in common with Star Trek. In the 60s Classic Trek, humans and Klingons were at odds with each other. Everything was portrayed more black and white, with humans thinking all Klingons were evil. By the time it got to Star Trek the Next Generation, it showed how it was more due to cultural misunderstandings and a disasterous first contact that humans and Klingons got off on the wrong foot. Some Klingons were evil, but many were "honourable" and even helped the humans.

Now, for Namor, it should be that most humans have a distrust of the Atlanteans, while Namor has a distrust of surface dwellers. That prejudice should be seen in black and white terms at the start of the movie, but then something should happen that causes those prejudices to be challenged. Perhaps Namor saves a human, or a human saves Namor, and forces both to question the values they hold and whether they can cling to those prejudices. Namor would have to question whether his prejudice for surface dwellers is stronger than his sense of right and wrong. He should only become more of a hero towards the end, once he overcomes these obstacles. At the start, he should be more of that anti-hero we all know him for.



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Meoww! Send in the clowns!

[Bigkid]

I believe that you're right on target with that last post, WELSHY. And I DO believe that Davd Self is going to write something along those lines that you suggested. The defining moment, I believe, should be when Namor has to assist an innocent..... where his core beliefs of humans will be tested. The way that they can do that, is like the way it happened in the comics. I remember reading an OLD Sub-Mariner comic from 1941, where Namor goes on a rampage and lets loose the animals in the Central Park Zoo, yelling at the animals, "GO ON! ENJOY YOURSELVES!" But then see's a baby thrown from a baby carriage in the path of charging elephants. He takes pity on the baby, and saves the baby's life. It's a moment like that, that I think that could work under WELSHY'S scenario. The fact that his heart is touched when it looked so bleak as to having his heart touched by an innocent baby...... now THAT'S something that could work!

[Bigkid]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by username:
<B> Once again, if Marvel can't find an unknown or a virtually unknown to fill the part well then Arnold Swarzeneggar never happened.

</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

MR. GAME!
That's why I've suggested someone in the past like Karl Urban. He's unknown in the sense that most movie goers aren't going to plunk down 10 bucks to see HIM, per se. But when people start finding out about him and take a look at his resume, they'd realize just how good he is. The guy dosen't have to be an identical look-a-like to Namor, that's what they have hair and make-up people for on these films in the first place. But if you find and unknown who's been working for awhile, who can capture the ESSENSE of the character, then I think you've got half the battle won.

[Bigkid]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by D.K.HOOD:
<B> Yeah! Some people at the beach see something moving underwater at a high speed, getting closer and closer to the shore, then it shoots out of the water into the sky and the people look up to see a man high above them. I could definetly see that happening in the movie.

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D.K.!
I think that that could possibly work. Give it the "Hulk" scenario, if you will. He gains momentum by swimming at a high rate of speed underwater, and surges and breaks out of the water with such force and speed, that he literally fires out of the water and can sort of "hang" in the air for several minutes, while guiding himself to shore and his destination with the ankle "mutations". I think it could work, yet I'll be honest: I'd love to be able to see them keep the original concept of his power of flight only because it's SO much a part of the character. But, then again, in order to get the film actually MADE, there might have to be some concessions, and who's to say that the producrs of this film won't go to Avi Arad and Stan Lee and say, "Hey guys, sorry to say, but we've GOT to lose the ankle wings. It's just NOT working for the script". In the event THAT happens, maybe we should call in D.K. to do a little ghost writing, huh?? ;-)

[Bigkid]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Znluvx:
<B> Sounds good to me D.K.

Or maybe his ability to fly is misidentified by surface dwellers, and is really his natural ability to breach like a dolphin, but at incredible heights. The vestigial ankle wings would perform as you described.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Z ONE!
You get honorable mention as well, my friend, for that idea as well (for being in as a ghost writer, I mean, along with D.K.!)

[Znluvx]

Thanks for the props! :-D

[Bigkid]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Znluvx:
Thanks for the props! :-D<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Z ONE!
You're welcome! Keep those ideas "flowin'"!

[D.K.HOOD]

Hey Bigkid, with your genuine enthusiam for the character its actually fun trying to come up with ideas for the movie. Plus, after reading MARVELS and some old comic stories like Avengers #3 and #4 and Sub-Mariner #1 I now have a much better understanding of the character than I ever did growing up. That's mainly because most of the comics I collected as a youngster didn't have Namor in them.

And having a better understanding I think Welschcat is onto something about this movie being potentially more like Star Trek underwater than Star Wars. Star Trek was always more of a social commentary told through Sci-Fi adventure, whereas Star Wars is mainly a fairy tale with some spiritual elements thrown in told through Sci-Fi adventure. The Sub-Mariner's war against the surface world, humanity's fear of him, and how he deals with his mixed heritage is all great social commentary.

But the movie shouldn't be too heavy handed. We want some adventure afterall. Namor is strong enough to take on the Hulk and Thor, so the writers of the script need to throw in some action scenes to take advantage of his power.

[Bigkid]

Oh, I quite agree with that, D.K. My feeling is, is that David Self, who is the main screenwriter on this, is going to approach it in sort of the fashion that they approached the action sequences and the story telling in the Lord of the Rings films. In the sense that they will really focus on Namor's path in this film when the action scenes stop, and that they will delve into the mind of Namor and his feeling's of being the outsider from both worlds......until he fully realizes the monarch that he was supposed to be. I sort of think of the moment in the LOTR films when the Elvan king, Elrond, presents Aragorn with the sword that Issiyiador (I don't EVEN know if I spelled that right), used to defeat Sauron with, and Hugo Weaving says, "Forget the Ranger from the North and become what you were meant to BE". To me, I believe that there has to be a moment such as that in the film........whether The Sub-Mariner is fighting US, or if he's fighting an undersea army of Lemurians, it dosen't matter. To me, there has to be that moment.

And good for you for reading some of the older Sub-Mariner stories.... they also have a lot of Shakespearean ramifications to them that I'm sure that David Self can find some usefulness in when completing this script (which, actually, from the little information that's available on this project, the script has already been finished, with some polishing that's being done as it's being sent to the studio).

[WC]

Of course, there could be a meta-narrative within the film about how an overgrown kid is prejudiced against a thespian powerhouse known as the Damon, but then, through a gruelling emotional journey, comes to see that the Damon is the right man for the role. Then this overgrown kid decides that he must do all he can to promote the Damon when he realises he can no longer hold to his prejudices. http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/biggrin.gif

I wonder if anyone might see the film in these terms? http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/wink.gif

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Meoww! Send in the clowns!

[Bigkid]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Welshcat:
<B>Of course, there could be a meta-narrative within the film about how an overgrown kid is prejudiced against a thespian powerhouse known as the Damon, but then, through a gruelling emotional journey, comes to see that the Damon is the right man for the role. Then this overgrown kid decides that he must do all he can to promote the Damon when he realises he can no longer hold to his prejudices. http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/biggrin.gif

I wonder if anyone might see the film in these terms? http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/wink.gif

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WELSHY!
I'm into this project being sold as an action/adventure/drama.......NOT as a fantasy tale!

(By the way.....have I sold YOU on either of my choices so far......Karl Urban, etc?) Or are you steadfast in YOUR choice..... of Mr. Damon?!

[Kwick22a]

Just kicking this to the top for Bigkid

[easy D]

Just making sure no one forgets my choice. The Rock.

Rock-y, Rock-y, Rock-y, Rock-y!

[Bigkid]

Just kicking this to the top for Bigkid

KWICKSTER!
Thanks much, man! I was beginning to wonder where the heck this thread went off too!

[Bigkid]

Just making sure no one forgets my choice. The Rock.

Rock-y, Rock-y, Rock-y, Rock-y!

EASILEEEE!!
And he's a good choice, believe me........ there are those of us here who've suggested The Rock before as well. I've suddenly gotten onto more of a Karl Urban kick as of late, but I also think that Hugh Jackman would be great in the role, although I've got to admit, I don't think that guy's going to be available for Namor anytime soon. He's still going to be doing X-Men/Wolverine projects......... as is Rock, by the way, WAY busy working. I wouldn't be surprised if a total unknown gets cast or they go with a budding star in someone like Karl Urban (if you don't know who he is, he played Eomer in the "The Lord of the Rings" films. He's the warrior who's banished from the kingdom of Rohan, he's the King's nephew. Also, I think who would be great for the role would be Jim Caviezal.

[Bigkid]

Just wanted to quickly point out, in his interview today with ignfilmforce, Avi Arad said that the Sub-Mariner film is one of the projects other than the sequels that Marvel is producing that has him really excited. It's one of his favorite projects. I just WISH this guy could "open the vault" just a tad more and let us know a little bit more about what's going on with this project. It's a really interesting game that Arad plays when it comes to this film.......because in the interview he just basically says the same thing again about it being a film taking us to a world that we've never seen before. Well, that's nice and all, but.......just WHO is a front runner for the role in your eyes?? And WHO do you see playing the other major roles, ect. ? AAARRGGHH. It can get so frustrating not getting enough information, right??? :x

[D.K.HOOD]

I think if Avi Arad had something substantial to say about a Namor movie he would come out and say it. He doesn't seem to be too tight-lipped about movie projects except for surprises that may be in a script. Be cool Biggie, good things come to those who wait.

[fadexero]

Karl Urbanwould be a GREAT choice...I was just thinking...why not Vaako from Chronicles of Riddick...DUH...that IS Karl Urban...nice choice. Or Orlando Bloom...has got the pointy ear thing down, lol.

[Bigkid]

I think if Avi Arad had something substantial to say about a Namor movie he would come out and say it. He doesn't seem to be too tight-lipped about movie projects except for surprises that may be in a script. Be cool Biggie, good things come to those who wait.

D.K.!
I know, but we have to wait for what seems to be 2 WHOLE YEARS!!! Oh well.......maybe you're right.......I've been waiting for well over 30 years, another couple more can't hurt..........

[Bigkid]

Karl Urbanwould be a GREAT choice...I was just thinking...why not Vaako from Chronicles of Riddick...DUH...that IS Karl Urban...nice choice. Or Orlando Bloom...has got the pointy ear thing down, lol.

FADER!
Why thank you! As for Orlando Bloom....... not my first OR last choice, to be honest. His acting ability consists of him squinting his eyes during close-ups, showing the same look for EVERY emotion. But you know something?? He'll probably get looked at because of his popularity. But Urban would be a great choice.......his star is on the rise, and Universal might be able to get him NOW before another big time director put's him into something more visible and he becomes a REALLY huge box office attraction.

[Shaylinn]

Noticed this topic and since I don't know if it had been mentioned before but I saw an article in one magazine (I wish I could remember which one)_ that suggested Ian Somerhalder (The recently deceased character Boone on Lost) as a good choice if they were going for a younger Namor.

[easy D]

Yeah, that was Wizard. That's the same issue that gave me the idea for Oded Fehr as Iron Man.

[Bigkid]

Noticed this topic and since I don't know if it had been mentioned before but I saw an article in one magazine (I wish I could remember which one)_ that suggested Ian Somerhalder (The recently deceased character Boone on Lost) as a good choice if they were going for a younger Namor.

HEY SHAY!

I've seen pics of that guy, and if, let's say for instance, that they are doing this film in a chronological time line of some sort, then MAYBE....just maybe........ I would consider using him for scenes in which Namor is a young man. But to use him for the entire film wouldn't be such a great idea....... I'm thinking this because I feel very strongly that they must get an actor who'll be able to bring to life the royal arrogance and POWER of The Sub-Mariner. That's why I thought of Karl Urban. I feel that just from his "Lord of the Rings" character, that he totally captured the "Warrior Prince" personage. This guy Ian Somerhalder (and I've only seen pics of him,to be honest, have never seen the show Lost), he seems quite young and not really what I'd think of as the regal, powerful Prince Namor. Plus, if they did indeed decide to cast him, this guy would have to SERIOUSLY hit the gym. He needs to put on a lot more beef to play Namor.

[Bigkid]

Yeah, that was Wizard. That's the same issue that gave me the idea for Oded Fehr as Iron Man.

EASILEE!!

You mean that someone in Wizard magazine (a fan, perhaps?) suggested that Ian Somerhalder be cast as Namor? Please..........SHARE!

[easy D]

Well ,Wizard is a comic book magazine, so anything based on a comic book, including movies, Wizard does take a deep interest in. And, once in a while, they even present their fantasy cast for upcoming films. As such with Namor. Here's who they want in the film...
Ian Somerhalder as Namor (Gosh durn it! No Matt Damon?! Sorry, Biggie! :lol: )
Rachel Bilson as Dorma
Triple H as Attuma
Billy Zane as Krang
Ron Perlman as Tiger Shark
Kristen Bell as Namorita

They even went ahead and put these guys down for other choices...
Ryan Reynolds as The Flash
Henry Simmons as Luke Cage (Hmmm... probably from this site)
Monica Bellucci as Wonder Woman
Dennis Quaid as Nick Fury

[Bigkid]

Well ,Wizard is a comic book magazine, so anything based on a comic book, including movies, Wizard does take a deep interest in. And, once in a while, they even present their fantasy cast for upcoming films. As such with Namor. Here's who they want in the film...
Ian Somerhalder as Namor (Gosh durn it! No Matt Damon?! Sorry, Biggie! :lol: )
Rachel Bilson as Dorma
Triple H as Attuma
Billy Zane as Krang
Ron Perlman as Tiger Shark
Kristen Bell as Namorita

They even went ahead and put these guys down for other choices...
Ryan Reynolds as The Flash
Henry Simmons as Luke Cage (Hmmm... probably from this site)
Monica Bellucci as Wonder Woman
Dennis Quaid as Nick Fury

EASILEE!
Interesting that they thought of Billy Zane for Krang....... WELSHCAT had thought that he'd make a better Namor! That whole ARROGANCE thing. :lol: I don't know who Rachel Bilson is, and I'm not sure I know who Kristen Bell is, either. But I'll tell you this: Everybody is assuming that the characters from the Sub-Mariner series that we all remember are going to be put in this film. But that may not be the case. I believe that Wizard also completely forgot to mention the casting of actors to play his mother, Princess Fen, his human father, Leonard McKenzie, and his Atlantean grandfather, Emperor Thakkor. How about THOSE characters?? If they decide to make this film a sort of chronological thing, they are going to HAVE to include these players You just couldn't leave them out. Plus, I think Michael Clarke Duncan would make a MUCH better Attuma. As for Namorita (Nita as she was sometimes called), they might not include her altogether in this film. Maybe his cousin Namora (Namorita's mother?)

[easy D]

Well, I'm not as familiar in the Namor story as I am with others, namely Spidey and DD, so I can say that I can't really approve or disappove Wizard's casting, but I can say that I'm not too big on their choice of Namor.
But, my choice, The Rock is a very busy man as you've said before, Biggie. He's doing a live-action version of Johnny Bravo. He's playing Johnny Bravo. How weird is that?

[Znluvx]

I don't know, but the more I think about it, the more I like the ROCK in this role. I don't know why, but I like it :)

[Bigkid]

I don't know, but the more I think about it, the more I like the ROCK in this role. I don't know why, but I like it :)

Z-1!

Well, you like the idea because he's good. I mean, this guy's the FIRST, and I mean this, truly the FIRST wrestler to ever come down the pike and really show himself to be a pretty good actor. I mean, you can say what you want about "Rowdy" Roddy Piper in that film that he did (was that film called, "Their Here". something like that?) Or even a handful of those other guys, but if you've seen him in "Be Cool", playing a gay Samoan bodyguard....... and watching hiim in that film and playing it for laughs and doing it as well as he did, you'll know that he wouldn't be a liability to the film. He's been attached to this project for a long time, but as it's been pointed out here before, this man is definately BUSY. So, for a plan "B", I still think that Karl Urban (Eomer from the "Lord of the Rings" films), would be a really good choice. Hell, didn't Urban take the role that was originally offered to The Rock for "Doom"? The Rock had to back out of the part, from what I've read, because of other film comittments. Am I right about that? Please..........SHARE........this information with me if I'm wrong (or if I'm right as well)!

[easy D]

They're both in Doom. Rock plays "Sarge" and Karl Urban plays "John Grimm". And I believe The Rock has confirmed, his character is the dude you play in the game.
And like I said, Rocky is busy. He has a quite a few projects coming out next year, Johnny Bravo, based on the Cartoon Network's cartoon, Spy Hunter, based on the video game, Southland Tales, a musical comedy from the creator of Donnie Darko with Seann William Scott, Sarah Michelle Gellar and Kevin Smith (?!), Gridiron Gang, a Longest Yard type dramatic movie with Xzibit, and there are still more movies. But if any of those projects fall through, I'm sure that Marvel might contact him to play Namor. And seeing as how he likes doing films that seem a little off-beat, I dunno, maybe the character of Namor would appeal to him.

[fadexero]

Jim Caviezel as Namor, or Karl Urban. No Offence to the Rock, but he's way too big. Namor didn't have a friggin HUGE upper body. I always thought Rock would be great for Juggernaut. He's just a muscle bound actor (good actor). Not suited for a rather skinnier then he is role.

[Bigkid]

Jim Caviezel as Namor, or Karl Urban. No Offence to the Rock, but he's way too big. Namor didn't have a friggin HUGE upper body. I always thought Rock would be great for Juggernaut. He's just a muscle bound actor (good actor). Not suited for a rather skinnier then he is role.

LORD FADER! :)

I beg to differ with you, fadexero. The Sub-Mariner was NOT a classically built "swimmer's build" type. As a matter of fact, if you look up his history on Marvel's website, his measurements are six three, and 320lbs. If you look at a lot of the comics from the late sixties (the CLASSIC first issue of The Sub-Mariner from 67, or was it 68?) the one with Namor standing on the cover with Neptune's Trident, Namor looks HUGE. So, really, casting The Rock in the part wouldn't do bad by the comic. I like both Caviezal and Urban, but even though I've been championing Karl Urban a lot lately for this part, I DO believe he needs to hit the gym seriously and put on some more size. I know everybody automatically thinks that because Namor swims all day and night long that a slimmer actor would be more appropriate for the role, but one has to remember something important: The Sub-Mariner's physique has to also be able to withstand the crushing depths of the ocean's floor. So a thick hide and enough muscle isn't out of the question.

[Bigkid]

By the way, I recently read Avi Arad's latest comments on the slew of Marvel projects being brought to the silver screen, and he mentioned the project of Namor, but in only 2 sentences,really (or is that 2 PARAGRAPHS??) He said that on the topic of Namor, he compared it to "Jurrasic Park"..... that there has been a LOT of design work that has been done on it, and that the script is "gigantic". All sounds very exciting, but I'm wondering if Universal Studios is going to eventually scale back on what the script is calling for and go with something less elaborate? Due to the fact that this is one of Marvel's lesser known comics? I mean.......as BIG a fan of The Sub-Mariner as I am, I do realize that he's not a brand name that has a built in audience that will flock to see this film. On the other hand, I think Universal people are so good at the film marketing thing, that it may not make that big of a difference...... if they've got a top-notch script, with a top flight director on board (Chris Columbus), it might still be enough to get this film done. I think we have to all wait and see the sort of business the film version of "Rent" does in order to see if Universal will give Columbus the huge backing that apparently is going to be necessary for this venture (he's the one directing the film version of "Rent", which should be wrapping principle photography soon).

[Bigkid]

Just listened to IESB.net's exclusive sit down with Avi Arad, and the interviewer brought up the Sub-Mariner film. As he started to talk about it, he said to Arad, "There are other books that aren't as big, such as Sub-Mariner......." and Arad cut him off by saying, "That's one of the BIGGEST". He said that he felt that both Sub-Mariner and Thor are probably the largest in the family of titles. I strongly recommend that people watch/listen to the interview on IESB.net (or is it .com? I can't remember now!) But it's broken up into 6 installments (it was a 40 minute interview), you can catch the Sub-Mariner comments on interview #5. But there are some great comments concerning the whole batch of Marvel projects in the works. But I just HAD to mention this little bit that was mentioned about Subby! :lol:

[Bigkid]

UMMMMMMM............ anyone care to comment on this?? Please......SHARE! :oops:

[Blind Justice]

Well, considering Namor was Marvel's first mutant and one of their most original characters he needs a film. Aquawho??? Anyways, I am in huge favor of the Rock as Namor. Why? Well, he wouldn't have to bulk up for the part. (So no bodysuits or CGI) The man has come a looooong way since his crappy...errrr....SNAPPY comebacks on WWF. He is already in good shape so he could do alot of his own stunts. In addition to that, the man looks the part. I mean "Hugh Jackman/Wolverine" or even "Angelina Jolie/Tomb Raider" looks the part. Yeah I know this has probably been brought up in this thread before, but I'm not about to read 20 pages heh heh. Nevertheless, Sub-Mariner would be a good step for Marvel as long as they don't try and sell him off as a misunderstood hero who ends up fighting the FF in their sequel... Not that there will be enough support for a FF sequel. We'll see after this weekend.

[easy D]

If Fantastic Four kicks ass this weekend or not, a Namor and FF cross over is out of the question. Fox owns the FF film rights, and Universal owns Namor's film rights.

[Blind Justice]

Yeah, that's the same problem Marvel is having with the Daredevil/Spider-Man franchises. Many fans would love to see a cross-over movie with those 2 heroes, but alas it will probably never happen. It's a shame that Marvel has no marriage like DC and WB have.

[The Xenos]

It is a shame and a blessing. This way if you get stuck with the same bunch of jerk producers (I'm looking at you John Peters) who ruin characters with ideas like Sean Penn as Superman or studio tampering like Catwoman.

And like I said, Rocky is busy. He has a quite a few projects coming out next year, Johnny Bravo, based on the Cartoon Network's cartoon,

Wow. Just when I thought Hollywood had hit the bottom of ideas. Now I like The Rock, I like Johnny Bravo, and I can even see how he would look good in the role. I cannot see a live movie being made out of it.

-Xenos

[Bigkid]

Well, considering Namor was Marvel's first mutant and one of their most original characters he needs a film. Aquawho??? Anyways, I am in huge favor of the Rock as Namor. Why? Well, he wouldn't have to bulk up for the part. (So no bodysuits or CGI) The man has come a looooong way since his crappy...errrr....SNAPPY comebacks on WWF. He is already in good shape so he could do alot of his own stunts. In addition to that, the man looks the part. I mean "Hugh Jackman/Wolverine" or even "Angelina Jolie/Tomb Raider" looks the part. Yeah I know this has probably been brought up in this thread before, but I'm not about to read 20 pages heh heh. Nevertheless, Sub-Mariner would be a good step for Marvel as long as they don't try and sell him off as a misunderstood hero who ends up fighting the FF in their sequel... Not that there will be enough support for a FF sequel. We'll see after this weekend.

MR. JUSTICE!
Yes, I agree as well. He's certainly come a long way as an actor (thought he stole the show in "Be Cool"), and build wise the man could do justice to Namor. So many people believe that Namor should be played by someone with a slimmer "swimmer's build", or that maybe The Rock should just slim down himself. But I think he'd be able to convince us all that he's Namor. Other actors who I've stated could be The Avenging Son are Karl Urban (Eomer from the "Lord of the Rings" films), or even Jim Caviezal, who played Jesus in "The Passion of the Christ". These actors would have to seriously hit the gym, but I think those 3 guys (plus.......and FORGIVE me for suggesting this, Blind Justice), even Wolverine himself, Hugh Jackman, might even be good to consider. What do you all think?? Please........AGAIN..........SHARE! :D

[Bigkid]

Just read that Namor: The Sub-Mariner has been targeted for a 2007 release date. Now, remember........that's TARGETED. Now does that mean that the target date could change to something ........further down the line.....or EARLIER?? At any rate......shouldn't Universal be doing something along the lines of talking and interviewing actors NOW for the role of Namor? I mean....... c'mon.......'07 really aint that far away, ya know!

[Bigkid]

Thought that I'd post this here because.......well, it's Sub-Mariner related! HA! At any rate, over at ANOTHER comics-film styled forum, they are conducting a survey on the main page, asking people who they feel should be the main villain introduced into an FF film. Anyone want to now guess here who was in second place with 14.3% of the vote?? Glactus was #1 with a bullet...... over 40%, but I'm surprised that so many people wanted Namor as being the second most requested! I mean, I know that in the comics a LOT of the times he could be portrayed as somewhat villainous, but he wasn't a VILLAIN in the classic sense. Even though Marvel used to have a comic called "Super Villain Team-Up" and it featured Dr. Doom and Namor, I always thought that putting The Sub-Mariner in the context of VILLAIN was always a little overboard.......pardon the pun.
Now, I don't know if this post really should have been put in the Fantastic Four forum....but I was wondering what you all thought of this survey....and if indeed Universal sort of have their sights made on making a "somewhat" villainous Prince Namor........ does that affect casting decisions? Like...... such and such actor.......who's been known to be VERY good in the role of villain.....should NOW be considered for the role of the Princely Namor? Any thoughts on that as to being a decison to finally bring in as Namor? Please.........SHARE!

[easy D]

Doesn't Universal already own the film rights to Namor? That should quiet all those hopes.

And as far as the Fantastic Four's next villain? I'm still saying the Skrulls, with Galactus in part 3. And maybe instead of getting Silver Surfer, maybe bring in one Galactus' other heralds. Or bring in more of them. You know have Galactus get introduced in the Surfer's movie, establish what a bad ass he is, then have him go fight the FF in 3, while Surfer fights Thanos in SS2 (if necessary).

And if it does work out that Namor is the FF's next villain, I'm thinking the Rock can still play him. He's played that kind of character before. The Scorpion King, Mathyus (I think that's how his name is spelled) from The Mummy Returns and The Scorpion King.

[Bigkid]

Yes, EASILEEE...... Universal does indeed own the rights to Namor: The Sub-Mariner. But what I was wondering was why so many people felt that Namor should have been represented in the form of VILLAIN in a film. And, you are correct, sir....... The Rock HAS played villain before as The Scorpion King. Well, in The Mummy Returns film, anyway. In his own flick, The Scorpion King, he was sort of "the hero" in that one. But Namor COULD be portrayed in the same light, however......more of the "anti-hero", rather than super hero. Those were how the original comics concerning Namor were written, anway.

[Oldsoul3300]

Namor was a "villain" in the same way that Silver Surfer and Punisher were "villains" at first. They were pit against the heros, but eventually found common ground. So, I'd say the term would be applied loosely.

[Comic Guru]

Sub-Mariner is still neutral. He still doesn't trust land dwellers and would rather have his kingdom tell them how things should be done, which is why he sometimes put in the "villain" category.

[norrinraad]

Perhaps we could call him an anti-hero and call it a draw?
_______
"I'm the great impersonator, I broke all the rules. I laugh with my mask on, the joke is on you."

[WC]

Hmm. I'd say make Namor more of an apparent villain at the start, and have him go through a change. By the end of the movie he's more heroic and people have a greater trust of him (albeit not complete). He also learns to accept surface dwellers eventually. I think I've mentioned this before.

[The Xenos]

I wonder if Sue Storm thinks Namor is a villian....... IN BED!

Ooooooooh. Ooooh. See what I did there? Har har.

-Xenos

[WC]

I wonder if Sue Storm thinks Namor is a villian....... IN BED!

Ooooooooh. Ooooh. See what I did there? Har har.

-Xenos

Maybe she thinks he's just a cold fish. :P

[Bigkid]

Or maybe she even thinks that he reminds her of Moby....

(errrr, forget it........this IS a family website!) :)

[Bigkid]

Perhaps we could call him an anti-hero and call it a draw?
_______
"I'm the great impersonator, I broke all the rules. I laugh with my mask on, the joke is on you."

OH, NOBLE NORRIN!
Yes, I've been calling him myself that for the longest of times. I think what WELSHY says is right, though. They are going to make this film, I believe, in a way in which we see Namor taking a journey, and starting to understand us land dwellers and begin to accept us as the story evolves...with the human race (sort of), beginning to adapt and to understand HIM. That's what I feel, anyway.

[Bigkid]

Which, of course, now begs the question: Who feels WHICH actor is more suited to play this role, now? Who can capture the wide ranging emotions and feelings of the character of Namor as he goes from being a complete villain (at times) to being more accepted amongst his human counterparts?
Please.........SHARE........ your feelings as to WHO the actor should be! 8)

[easy D]

Well, I answered that earlier. :roll: Not that anybody paid attention.

[Biglots]

Im thinking like Johnny Depp or The Rock as Sub-Mariner

[WC]

Im thinking like Johnny Depp or The Rock as Sub-Mariner

Johnny Depp? Doing his Willy Wonka or Ichabod Crane or Ed Wood or Edward Scissorhands impression no doubt?

And directed by Tim Burton?

No thanks!

[Bigkid]

I'm with WELSHY on that one! I think that Johnny Depp, where he is a TERRIFIC actor, just wouldn't be the guy to go for in this role.

[Bigkid]

Doesn't Universal already own the film rights to Namor? That should quiet all those hopes.

And as far as the Fantastic Four's next villain? I'm still saying the Skrulls, with Galactus in part 3. And maybe instead of getting Silver Surfer, maybe bring in one Galactus' other heralds. Or bring in more of them. You know have Galactus get introduced in the Surfer's movie, establish what a bad ass he is, then have him go fight the FF in 3, while Surfer fights Thanos in SS2 (if necessary).

And if it does work out that Namor is the FF's next villain, I'm thinking the Rock can still play him. He's played that kind of character before. The Scorpion King, Mathyus (I think that's how his name is spelled) from The Mummy Returns and The Scorpion King.

EASILEEE!!!
It's not that nobody wasn't paying attention to what you said (as you can see, I brought back your quote), I was just trying to get a response from some other's as well as to who THEY felt could be in the role of Namor ......I guess to see OTHER than The Rock who could be on people's minds. I certainly wasn't suggesting that YOU'RE response wasn't a good one. Just wanted to see what other's thought as well. The Rock, by the way, seems to be getting a response from just about EVERYBODY for this part. It would seem to make a lot of sense.....commercially as WELL as the sort of "visual justice" he could bring to the role of Sub-Mariner. Granted, Namor was white in the comcs, but in this case....... I could see makng an exception.....considering also that Namor WAS a child born of an inter-racial coupling....... so it could work as The Rock being Namor from a PHYSICAL point of view, as well as making it work from a WRITER'S point of view (even though the ORIGINAL writer, Bill Everett, is no longer with us). But I'm sure it wouldn't be something that would annoy David Self.

[Bigkid]

So, just on a lark, I decide to sneak in to see "Transporter 2". And I'm watching the film, and all of a sudden, the chief villain in the film (who's played by Alessandro Gassman), comes on the scene, and I'm thinking, minus the really nutty accent, THIS guy looks like he could be a dead ringer for Namor! I mean, his accent could ACTUALLY work, now that I give it a little bit more thought. He's from an ancient civilization of Atlantis, and they were probably a mish-mosh of all different cultures ANYWAY......so maybe he COULD work as the Avenging Son(?) I mean, I thought that the guy had the size to be Namor, PLUS I couldn't help but think that he had pointy looking ears to boot! Anybody else here see this film, and maybe think I'm just a little mad?? Please........SHARE! :lol:

[easy D]

So, just on a lark, I decide to sneak in to see "Transporter 2". And I'm watching the film, and all of a sudden, the chief villain in the film (who's played by Alessandro Gassman), comes on the scene, and I'm thinking, minus the really nutty accent, THIS guy looks like he could be a dead ringer for Namor! I mean, his accent could ACTUALLY work, now that I give it a little bit more thought. He's from an ancient civilization of Atlantis, and they were probably a mish-mosh of all different cultures ANYWAY......so maybe he COULD work as the Avenging Son(?) I mean, I thought that the guy had the size to be Namor, PLUS I couldn't help but think that he had pointy looking ears to boot! Anybody else here see this film, and maybe think I'm just a little mad?? Please........SHARE! :lol:

Well, I really didn't think "NAMOR". I was too busy wishing that he had that girl with the pink undies with him. Oh, I miss her. :(

[Bigkid]

Yes, EASILEEE...... I agree......she was a honey

(The ryhming was NOT intended, I assure you!) :lol:

So, you wouldn't think that Gassman was a candidate for The Sub-Mariner, I presume?? Please...........SHARE! :D

[easy D]

No, not really. I mean, when I saw the movie, he didn't actually seem to stand and scream "NAMOR" for me. Maybe if I saw him in different roles. But he seemed too much like the type of dude you see in a James Bond or Die Hard movie.

[Bigkid]

Interesting. I just felt that he had the physicality to perhaps be thought of for the role. But I'm still sort of thinking that someone more along the lines of a Karl Urban or a Jim Caviezal could be worth giving the lead role to.

[WC]

So, just on a lark, I decide to sneak in to see "Transporter 2". And I'm watching the film, and all of a sudden, the chief villain in the film (who's played by Alessandro Gassman), comes on the scene, and I'm thinking, minus the really nutty accent, THIS guy looks like he could be a dead ringer for Namor! I mean, his accent could ACTUALLY work, now that I give it a little bit more thought. He's from an ancient civilization of Atlantis, and they were probably a mish-mosh of all different cultures ANYWAY......so maybe he COULD work as the Avenging Son(?) I mean, I thought that the guy had the size to be Namor, PLUS I couldn't help but think that he had pointy looking ears to boot! Anybody else here see this film, and maybe think I'm just a little mad?? Please........SHARE! :lol:

Got a pic? I don't know what this actor looks like to make a judgment.

[Pod]

Is this the guy?
http://www.mediaset.it/bin/tvnews/C_3_tvnews_7588_imgcompleto.jpg

I found other pics but they were disgusting...So you really think this guy is a good namor? Bah, I'm in disagreement.

[easy D]

Yep, that's him.

And no, still can't see him as Namor.

[Bigkid]

Just got a chance to see a couple of reactions to Gassman......and I guess it's not the most positive of responses! But anyway........

I went today and caught "Doom" (actually, quite honestly, I SNUCK in.... I really didn't want to pay money to see this), and I got to see the 2 actors that I've been clamoring the most about for awhile......on screen.......TOGETHER........ in scenes: Karl Urban and The Rock (Dwayne Johnson, as we all know is his real name). And in watching the two.... I mean, it is REALLY hard to think now which one of the two would be the guy to go to....... I mean, the film itself, from what I heard, didn't really do all that great business at the box office this past weekend (it did lead the field, however, in money this past weekend), but looking at this film, with the 2 dudes in it that I have a hard time deciding who'd make a better Namor ............. I STILL don't know who I'd pick, really. The reason that "Doom" I think even MADE 15 mil this past weekend is DUE to The Rock.......he's a bona fide action star now, and I sort of watched his performance thinking that he'd make a REALLY good VILLAINOUS Namor (which, in many ways, The Sub-Mariner COULD be construed as a villain), while I watched Urban, and felt that, even though this, essentially, was his FIRST STAR vehicle (his name appears ahead of Rock's), and even though he's a better actor, I feel, then The Rock, I don't know if Universal Studios would greenlight him in the role. However, it IS Universal that released THIS film........so maybe they are getting prepared to sign Urban on to a multi-picture deal or something(?) One of the roles COULD be for Namor: The Sub-Mariner. But if "Doom" dosen't start picking up steam and a LOT more business at the box office within the next couple of weeks, I don't know if they'll even really consider putting Urban in the role of Namor. The Rock, however, could eventually land the part. Although, as someone here on these boards has pointed out before, his schedule is REALLY packed with films for the next couple of years, at least. So maybe Karl Urban COULD wind up landing the part. Anybody have any thoughts on this topic again?? Please........SHARE! :lol:

[WC]

Is this the guy?
http://www.mediaset.it/bin/tvnews/C_3_tvnews_7588_imgcompleto.jpg

I found other pics but they were disgusting...So you really think this guy is a good namor? Bah, I'm in disagreement.

Is that Gasbag? Hmmm. He looks rather sleazy to me - not regal like Namor.

[Bigkid]

Well, when I initially saw him in "Transporter 2", I had the feeling that with that foreign accent, his build, etc. (plus, his ears LOOK sort of pointy, anyway), I felt that he might be a good fit (physically), for the role. However, if we're talking about getting a name individual in the role, and they wouldn't give someone LIKE Karl Urban the role because he's not, at this point, a NAME DRAW as yet, then I thought, "Well, why would they cast THIS guy then?" A lot of casting this role is also a business decision as well, and I'm sure.......as open minded as Avi Arad is on the subject of casting actors....... he just might not agree that THIS is the guy for the role. So..... maybe I should officially just drop Gassman's name from the list(?) Karl Urban......or The Rock........Jim Caviezal...... or, how about now that he's turned down the role of James Bond.......Hugh Jackman? Well, as we've said here before......maybe we should just eliminate Jackman from the list due to the fact that he's been playing a big time Marvel character for the last few years........and maybe he wouldn't want to be playing another "comic-based character" again?? What do you all think? Please...........SHARE! :wink:

[easy D]

Ok, so on the subject of Doom, whether or not it does get a lot of money shouldn't matter. There was a lot of negative buzz surrounding the movie, so that should factor into it. And I don't think it will turn Karl Urban into the leading candidate for Namor, if he isn't already.
Also, yeah, drop Hugh Jackman off the list. Even though some actors are playing two Marvel characters (Rebecca Romijn and Ben Foster from The Punisher and X-Men movies), I really don't see him as Namor, either.

[norrinraad]

Someone at another message board made an interesting point. This character has little wings on his feet, pointy ears, and wears a green speedo. "A cross between Aquaman and Mr. Spock". In order to bring this film to the screen in a convincing way, it's going to take alot of $$$. If it looks cheap it's going to unavoidably fall into camp.

Having said that, the studio is probably not willing to invest this kind of cash in an unknown or a C-lister. Superman is one thing, but Namor doesn't have anywhere near that level of brand recognition. The two names being seriously considered (as per Variety) are Ryan Reynolds and (I kid you not) Matt Damon.

Reynolds I can't stand, but Damon is pure genius! It looks like Bigkid may just get his casting wish after all :lol:
__________
"I told you from the start, just how this would end
When I get, what I want, I never want it again."

[WC]

Having said that, the studio is probably not willing to invest this kind of cash in an unknown or a C-lister. Superman is one thing, but Namor doesn't have anywhere near that level of brand recognition. The two names being seriously considered (as per Variety) are Ryan Reynolds and (I kid you not) Matt Damon.

Reynolds I can't stand, but Damon is pure genius! It looks like Bigkid may just get his casting wish after all :lol:

Lol! :lol: :lol: :lol: This would be hilarious if Damon is cast after all these years of teasing Bigkid about this. And to think it all started because some Hollywood producer saw Damon in his speedos in The Talented Mr Damon. :lol:

We could have a proper Sub-Mariner trilogy: "The Namor Identity", "The Namor Supremacy" and "The Namor Ultimatum"

Of course, Bigkid might want to issue an ultimatum of his own right now! :lol:

[Bigkid]

Far be it from me to stop letting have everybody have so much FUN at my expense, WELSHY! Let everyone jump on the Damon bandwagon, but I for one WILL NOT! As for Ryan Reynolds being a serious candidate for Namor, I can only think that when that whole thing started, it was because maybe they were thinking of doing The Sub-Mariner's story from the beginning, from the WW2 years. In those comics, he was a wise-cracking youth who exclaimed things like, "Sufferin Shad!" I think they might have had Reynolds in mind because of that "wise-ass" factor. But I don't know if they seriously believe that he could pull off, ultimately, growing up into a regal, royal prince.

[Bigkid]

Ok, so on the subject of Doom, whether or not it does get a lot of money shouldn't matter. There was a lot of negative buzz surrounding the movie, so that should factor into it. And I don't think it will turn Karl Urban into the leading candidate for Namor, if he isn't already.
Also, yeah, drop Hugh Jackman off the list. Even though some actors are playing two Marvel characters (Rebecca Romijn and Ben Foster from The Punisher and X-Men movies), I really don't see him as Namor, either.

EASILEEEE!!!
I'm just curious.......what makes Jackman a non-candidate in your eyes for the role? Please........SHARE!

[Bigkid]

[quote="norrinraad"]Someone at another message board made an interesting point. This character has little wings on his feet, pointy ears, and wears a green speedo. "A cross between Aquaman and Mr. Spock". In order to bring this film to the screen in a convincing way, it's going to take alot of $$$. If it looks cheap it's going to unavoidably fall into camp.

Having said that, the studio is probably not willing to invest this kind of cash in an unknown or a C-lister. Superman is one thing, but Namor doesn't have anywhere near that level of brand recognition. The two names being seriously considered (as per Variety) are Ryan Reynolds and (I kid you not) Matt Damon.

OH NOBLE NORRIN!
You're correct...... so they are going to, unavoidably, I would assume. have to make some changes to the Namor character from the comics, I'm actually prepared for that. The speedo issue, for one. I think that they are going to have Namor probably in some sort of attire throughtout the movie OTHER than the speedos. Probably some sort of "Atlantean battle-garb", like body armor, or maybe something more regal. Perhaps when he goes into battle, he then tears off the clothes (his REGAL one's that is), and fights either in the battle armor OR in his speedos. In any event, yes, I would agree with you, the inevitable changes are going to have to be made. Universal IS going to be pumping a lot of cash into an unknown commodity, so there are going to HAVE to be some considerations made to make him more "acceptable" to a movie going public. I've even thought that the ankle-wings may have to come off......but it was suggested by most of you guy's here on this thread that maybe the ankle wings can be suggested more as something of a GLIDING apparatus......that he builds up a head of steam when swimming underwater, and as he's breaking through to the surface, the wings don't actually move and propel him the way a bird would, but, more so, as he's breaking to the surface, at the incredible speeds that he reaches while swimming, he breaks out of the ocean and into the sky, and the ankle wings sort of allow him to glide at great heights once he gets to the "surface world". He could be gliding at very high speeds for hours. Some of you all suggested that here (can't remember who DID, however), but it wasn't a bad suggestion. It's one that I could live with (even though I AM a traditionalist when it comes to seeing my fav C2F's coming to life). But if there are a little bit of sacrifices that HAVE to be made here &amp; there in order to get MY favorite character of them all on to the silver screen, then SO BE IT. IMPERIUS REX! :wink:

[WC]

Would people be happy if Namor went around in his black leather Village People outfit, like in a few of the comics and in the Marvel Legends figure incarnation?

http://www.marveltoys.net/img/ml2nam.jpg

http://www.visiontoys.nl/marvel%20legends/8605namor-marvel-legends2.jpg

[Bigkid]

Well, when it's put like THAT (Village People outfit), I sort of DON'T want him in that....... but if the costume and production designers of this film decided to actually TRY something similar to that get up (which, by the way, I remember when he first appeared in that outfit......it was in the mid-seventies, and Reed Richards had designed it for him), I could see them making it as, like I suggested, sort of this "Atlantean battle garb". However, the armpit wings may have to go! From what I've heard of this film (from the very little that's out there about the script), David Self has apparently made it about Namor's identity crisis, so one part of this film might just deal with Namor's trying to deal with being part human, which might lend to some long lapses of non-action in the film. That's why it's SO imperative to find a really damn good actor to portray Sub-Mariner: So when the action STOPS, you have an actor that can go from moment-to-moment making us all believe about his very troubling plight.....of whether his allegiances should be more towards his HUMAN side or his ATLANTEAN side......and what he is more OF.

[WC]

Well, when it's put like THAT (Village People outfit), I sort of DON'T want him in that....... but if the costume and production designers of this film decided to actually TRY something similar to that get up (which, by the way, I remember when he first appeared in that outfit......it was in the mid-seventies, and Reed Richards had designed it for him), I could see them making it as, like I suggested, sort of this "Atlantean battle garb". However, the armpit wings may have to go! From what I've heard of this film (from the very little that's out there about the script), David Self has apparently made it about Namor's identity crisis, so one part of this film might just deal with Namor's trying to deal with being part human, which might lend to some long lapses of non-action in the film. That's why it's SO imperative to find a really damn good actor to portray Sub-Mariner: So when the action STOPS, you have an actor that can go from moment-to-moment making us all believe about his very troubling plight.....of whether his allegiances should be more towards his HUMAN side or his ATLANTEAN side......and what he is more OF.

I suppose David got the plotline from a memo he wrote one day?

"Note to Self: Why am I having this identity crisis?" :lol:

[easy D]

So is David Self calling himself "Self", or did you mean him"self"...
HA! I think it's funny!

Any way, I would like to see Namor cover himself up. Really don't want to see a guy in Speedos for 2 hours straight. Maybe a variation of the "Villaige People" outfit. Plus, I don't like that phrase, "Village People outfit". I really don't think it looks like something from them.

[Bigkid]

YES........ I DO believe that WELSHY was using an abundant amount of "play on words" in talking about "Self"...... makes me want to do THIS:
:lol:

As for EASILEEEE's comments, yeah, I can understand wanting to coer him up....... some sort of variation on that "Village People" attire, sure. Maybe towards the end of the film, they can show him in pitched battle with..... whomever they decide to make as villain........ and his clothing gets torn right off of his body......which does happen to people in movies in which there is a PITCHED battle sequence.....and by end he's standing there in his swimming trunks (calling them speedos REALLY isn't what he's in....although they ARE short enough, I suppose, to be THOUGHT of as such)! Who winds up standing all buffed out remains to be seen, but yeah, I definately think there is going to be some sort of consideration for a costume or some sort of clothing for The Avenging Son.

[WC]

I don't think Namor necessarily has to have one single look throughout the entire film. After all, in the Punisher, he has a white t-shirt when fighting the Russian, or a black vest or all manner of other clothing apart from the skull t-shirt.

Namor could have the speedoes part of the time, the Village People costume at other times... I just thought. No matter what outfit Namor has, he always looks a bit gay, for want of a better word. :D

Perhaps if he wears the speedoes with pride, he'll look more dignified than that Village People outfit. After all, people more usually go swimming in trunks or speedoes and NOT black leather. It would look perfectly natural for Namor to have that look. People don't mock Olympic swimmers who wear speedoes after all, do they?

[Pod]

http://www.visiontoys.nl/marvel%20legends/8605namor-marvel-legends2.jpg

I must say...This is a very well look for him. I have only seen him in New Avengers and in a ultimate version in UFF but this look just says to me "Namor"...hehe. 8) Let's see who the costume designer will be then the minds of ours will bobble on the thought.

[Bigkid]

I don't think Namor necessarily has to have one single look throughout the entire film. After all, in the Punisher, he has a white t-shirt when fighting the Russian, or a black vest or all manner of other clothing apart from the skull t-shirt.

Namor could have the speedoes part of the time, the Village People costume at other times... I just thought. No matter what outfit Namor has, he always looks a bit gay, for want of a better word. :D

Perhaps if he wears the speedoes with pride, he'll look more dignified than that Village People outfit. After all, people more usually go swimming in trunks or speedoes and NOT black leather. It would look perfectly natural for Namor to have that look. People don't mock Olympic swimmers who wear speedoes after all, do they?

WELSHY!
Don't let HIM here you saying that!!! I never thought that he looked a bit or anything gay, but the look of the character IS going to be something that's going to be talked about for quite a time AFTER it comes out (no pun intended, really). I agree with what (I don't recall if it was EASILLEEE or NOBLE NORRIN said), but somebody said that it has to be done right or it could very well fall into camp. I, for ONE, certainly don't want that!

But, yes, some sort of maybe combo of the "village people" suit (a variation on it), and maybe he winds up in his speedos AFTER some sort of battle, or an explosion that tears the suit asunder from his body, and he's left in his speedos(?) And so it dosen't look TOO campy or GAY, have him bloodied up a bit, to accentuate the violent way in which it happened......this way it WON'T come off as "over the top".

[WC]

Hmmm... I am still of the opinion that Namor looks like one of the Village People. This picture below I took definitely supports that:

http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/88/villagepeoplecopy6wi.jpg

Could Namor and Kraven look anymore camp?

:lol: :lol:

[Pod]

:shock: My eyes!!! They're burning!!! Ahh!!!

That picture just gave me a chill through my spine...

[norrinraad]

Hmmm... I am still of the opinion that Namor looks like one of the Village People. This picture below I took definitely supports that:

http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/88/villagepeoplecopy6wi.jpg

Could Namor and Kraven look anymore camp?

:lol: :lol:

Mmmm, I never could resist the combination of ankle wings, gills, and black leather... :P :lol:

[Bigkid]

Hmmm... I am still of the opinion that Namor looks like one of the Village People. This picture below I took definitely supports that:

http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/88/villagepeoplecopy6wi.jpg

Could Namor and Kraven look anymore camp?

:lol: :lol:

WELSHY!!!!!!!!! :shock:

You're KILLING me with this, man! :shock:

Please don't do that to Namor again!! He's HEROIC...... well........ANTI-HEROIC....... but still.............

At any rate.......anybody have any NEW suggestions for who should be cast as Namor?? Or, anyone want to chime in about any OLD suggestions, and why they like 'em??

Please.............PLEEEASE.........SHARE......... . before WELSHY starts posing those two in pictures that this family friendly website will NOT allow!!

[easy D]

I think Welshy might have issues. Sexual issues. :lol:

[Bigkid]

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


(Not more to say about THAT one!!)

SOOOOOO..........

Any new suggestions for The Avenging Son??

Please..........SHARE!

[Pod]

I'm starting to see Namor as a mexican character...Ok I should stop looking at the picture :lol: .

Wanna hear a wierd choice? Russell Crowe. I like to see him do it. Yes it is crazy and wierd but so is Namor :wink: .

[WC]

I think Welshy might have issues. Sexual issues. :lol:

Nah. You have to admit Namor in black does look like one of the village people, so I decided to post photographic proof, in case Big Kid didn't quite see it.

Just be glad I didn't take a pic of Namor doing his Talented Mr Ripley impression, or a pic of him found floating in the water and suffering amnesia like in the Bourne Identity. :lol:

[Pod]

Some bad news for the big Namor fans (a.k.a Bigkid 8) ), there's an interview with Chris Colombus who was soppose to direct the movie, and it seems that he's quitting the gig. :cry:

[I can't seem to get the page to open on my computer... :? ]

[DarrenJSeeley]

Some bad news for the big Namor fans (a.k.a Bigkid 8) ), there's an interview with Chris Colombus who was soppose to direct the movie, and it seems that he's quitting the gig. :cry:

[I can't seem to get the page to open on my computer... :? ]

Opened up fine for me.

It's really too bad. But, I wonder if Philip Kaufman (Right Stuff) will come back to the plate. Kaufman wanted to make a Sub-Mariner for years before Universal wanted to do an epic trilogy of sorts and hired David Self (Road To Perdition), then went to Chris Columbus.

And even though I didn't care much for Derailed, look on the bright side. That film's director has signed on for Deathlok.

One Marvel anti-hero is better than none...

[WC]

Maybe Chris Columbus thought he had bigger fish to fry and decided to set sail for a different ocean. :lol:

[Bigkid]

Some bad news for the big Namor fans (a.k.a Bigkid 8) ), there's an interview with Chris Colombus who was soppose to direct the movie, and it seems that he's quitting the gig. :cry:

[I can't seem to get the page to open on my computer... :? ]

BEARPOD!
Yes, VERILY, that doth SUCK! :cry:

However, I'm not at all surprised. Reason is, is because it happens all the time, and I think there might have been TOO much mentioning of Aquaman the last few weeks, what with his appearance on Smallville and all the ink that he was getting from that HBO series "Entourage", so maybe he felt that there was just TOO much going on with THAT OTHER aquatic character. I don't know, I'll have to go try to find that story and see for myself. But, yes, it is indeed too bad.

[Bigkid]

Wanna hear a wierd choice? Russell Crowe. I like to see him do it. Yes it is crazy and wierd but so is Namor :wink: .

MR.POD!

That's actually not as weird a choice as people might think. His short temper and anger management issues would be a PERFECT fit for Namor!

Plus, he's a naturally royal arrogant S.O.B., so right THERE, you've got a winning combo! But I would think that they would want to go for someone with more of an "otherworldy", exotic look to him. I can't take credit for using the term "otherworldly", I got that from that guy on ignfilmforce by the name of Stax. It was a nice way to describe Namor.

Right now, however, maybe somebody should start a NEW thread called "Who to replace Chris Columbus on Sub-Mariner?" But ..... I don't know.......

(I'm calling out, right now for the.........)

MODERATOR.........

Should that be done in THIS thread?? Please......SHARE....... and let me know.

[easy D]

Well, my advice, if you want to take it, is this. Go ahead. This thread is about the casting, that would be about the director. It's a valid starting point.

[Pod]

MODERATOR.........

Should that be done in THIS thread?? Please......SHARE....... and let me know.

Hey Bigkid, you should be a mod!!! That be cool to see happen. You would have that silver lettering on the front page with your username. 8) :lol: :D

Yeah I think a Namor Director thread should very much be done...Just not by me because most of my threads die in a day with no posts. :?

[Bigkid]

MODERATOR.........

Should that be done in THIS thread?? Please......SHARE....... and let me know.

Hey Bigkid, you should be a mod!!! That be cool to see happen. You would have that silver lettering on the front page with your username. 8) :lol: :D

Yeah I think a Namor Director thread should very much be done...Just not by me because most of my threads die in a day with no posts. :?

BEARPOD!
And a "Namor Director" thread might just go that quickly as well, MR. POD!
However, EASILLEEE makes a good point....so, why don't we try this (a "two birds with one stone" sort of thing):

Who should be cast as Sub-Mariner, and WHOM to Direct him??

PLEASE........SHARE!!!! :lol:

[FireStormTrooper]

Don't really know much about Namor the Sub-Mariner, but I was just wondering if it annoys of his fans that Aquaman (an initial blatant ripoff of Sub-Mariner that grew into something distinct) is getting his own TV series on the WB next season?

Is anyone actually attached to the Sub-Mariner film project? Writers, producers, anyone?

[Bigkid]

Don't really know much about Namor the Sub-Mariner, but I was just wondering if it annoys of his fans that Aquaman (an initial blatant ripoff of Sub-Mariner that grew into something distinct) is getting his own TV series on the WB next season?

Is anyone actually attached to the Sub-Mariner film project? Writers, producers, anyone?

FST!
To answer the 2nd part of your question, there IS a screenplay over at Universal Studios (they bought up the right's to Namor in '01), and the screenplay was penned by David Self (Road to Perdition, The Haunting), so that's a pedigree name screenwriter there. Chris Columbus was originally attached to direct the project but bowed out very recently. The usual suspects of producers of Marvel films (Kevin Feige, Kevin Misher, Ari Arad, Stan Lee), are the producers on board.
As to the first part of your question, I've been told by someone here on these boards that, in fact, Aquaman was created a couple of years earlier than The Sub-Mariner was (Namor was created in 1939, so I would assume that Aquaman was created in 1937, or thereabouts). I don't have any way to confirm that, but it does sort of stick in my craw that Namor's had to take a backseat to a character that according to many, is usually snickered aloud about by comic lovers and fanboys in general. HOWEVER...... to be fair (and quite honest), as BIG a fan as I am of The Sub-Mariner, I also do believe that there are many who have the same reaction to Namor getting a film all of his own as well. Dosen't make me happy to admit that, but it's true. However, from the little that has been allowed to be spoken about the project, the screenplay for the Namor film is supposed to be terrific (Self IS a terrific man of the pen), so this sort of sets thing's back a bit. The release date of Sub-Mariner's big screen debut was supposed to be in '07, but unless they get another (and I mean REALLY good choice for director), I can see my favorite comic book creation going back into "production hell" for at least a couple of more years.

[Bigkid]

I've just been reading (in the N.Y. Post), the review for "Rent". Chris Columbus directed this film. Not a great review....... I'm not sure what the other major outlets are saying about this flick, but it didn't look very promising for it......maybe it's a good thing that Columbus pulled out of doing Namor: The Sub-Mariner.

Any other directors out there that y'all might think could be a good fit for Namor? Please........SHARE!

(I've thought that an old pro like Richard Donner might be a good choice).

Or how about, even, the guy who directed the first "Die Hard"? John McTiernan? 8)

[easy D]

If you like old pros, how about Paul Verhoeven? His 3 most important films (Robocop, Starship Troopers, Showgirls) show he can handle superheroes, foreign, alien-type, enviroments, and partial nudity! :lol:

[Bigkid]

If you like old pros, how about Paul Verhoeven? His 3 most important films (Robocop, Starship Troopers, Showgirls) show he can handle superheroes, foreign, alien-type, enviroments, and partial nudity! :lol:

EASILEEEE!!!
Well, the problem that I have with Verhoven, is that those films that you've mentioned? While they were big hits in their own right, I think that this director has a tendency to make something look very campy in the long run. I mean, yes, he did direct Basic Instinct as well, and he also did Total Recall, but even those films, at times, upon recent viewings, have sort of drifted towards that of camp. I'm not too sure that this is the guy for the job, considering how many people feel that Namor shouldn't even be getting his own vehicle. So to hand this character over to a director who has a knack for making violent (but at the same time, VERY), campy films...... I don't know if I'd trust this in his hands. At least with guys like McTiernan or Donner......they really have a knack for getting real, human performances out of their leads/stars. Now, I don't know who's going to wind up being cast as The Sub-Mariner, but I can tell you that I don't want a situation like in Conan The Barbarian, when Schwartzeneger tell's Cron........ "DA HELL WIT CHOO!" Don't need Namor saying something ridiculous like THAT!

[WC]

If you like old pros, how about Paul Verhoeven? His 3 most important films (Robocop, Starship Troopers, Showgirls) show he can handle superheroes, foreign, alien-type, enviroments, and partial nudity! :lol:

EASILEEEE!!!
Well, the problem that I have with Verhoven, is that those films that you've mentioned? While they were big hits in their own right, I think that this director has a tendency to make something look very campy in the long run. I mean, yes, he did direct Basic Instinct as well, and he also did Total Recall, but even those films, at times, upon recent viewings, have sort of drifted towards that of camp. I'm not too sure that this is the guy for the job, considering how many people feel that Namor shouldn't even be getting his own vehicle. So to hand this character over to a director who has a knack for making violent (but at the same time, VERY), campy films...... I don't know if I'd trust this in his hands. At least with guys like McTiernan or Donner......they really have a knack for getting real, human performances out of their leads/stars. Now, I don't know who's going to wind up being cast as The Sub-Mariner, but I can tell you that I don't want a situation like in Conan The Barbarian, when Schwartzeneger tell's Cron........ "DA HELL WIT CHOO!" Don't need Namor saying something ridiculous like THAT!

Hey, maybe Jay Leno can dub Namor's voice with his Arnold impression! :lol:

[Pod]

Hey anyone think they should have the Human Torch vs Namor battle like in the early comics of Namor? I think it wouldn't work with the connection towards the F4 movie but would really be cool to see happen on the big screen.

Anyways for the director how about someone who has the knowledge underwater action movies? Hmm...I would take the popular choice of Spielberg because I'm too lazy to think of other directors. :lol:

[norrinraad]

A Human Torch versus Namor match would be awesome, but with the characters licenced to different studios I doubt it will be happening anytime soon.

I see all the major "old school" directors have been mentioned. As for the newer crop, my picks would be:

Alfonso Cuaron: He actually made me enjoy a Harry Potter film, so that's gotta count for something.

David Twohy: I think I'm one of the few people who really dug Chronicles of Riddick. In fact, I think it's the best thing Vin Diesel has ever done. The problem with Riddick was it was too dense for the average moviegoer. With a lighter touch I think Twohy would be a natural for Namor.

Richard Kelly: I haven't seen Domino but I still think this guy could make a great C2F, and Namor could be his foot in the door. Donnie Darko proved he can balance drama, comedy, science fiction, and pathos, while adding an almost dream-like quality to the proceedings. He may be better suited to the Silver Surfer, but I'd be curious to see what he could do with Namor.

Guillermo del Toro: So what if he is primarily known as a horror director? Look at how many different genres Spielberg has dabbled in. I think this guy has an amazing visual sense, and let's face it, visuals are either going to make or break this film. The money for a Namor film is going to have to be right up there on the screen, and I thought del Toro did amazing things with his budgets for both Blade 2 and Hellboy.
___________
"Lips like sugar."

[Bigkid]

Hey anyone think they should have the Human Torch vs Namor battle like in the early comics of Namor? I think it wouldn't work with the connection towards the F4 movie but would really be cool to see happen on the big screen.

Anyways for the director how about someone who has the knowledge underwater action movies? Hmm...I would take the popular choice of Spielberg because I'm too lazy to think of other directors. :lol:

MR. POD!
Well...... that's a bit of a GIANT leap, even for someone who's too lazy to think of other directors! :wink:

The Namor vs. Torch thing, I would believe (just like NOBLE NORRIN), would not be able to be done unless 20th Century Fox wanted to get The Sub-Mariner somehow into the FF franchise. Even though many people feel that their battles were indeed LEGENDARY (and that they WERE), I think you just would have FAR too many problems getting the studio that own's the rights to Namor to let it happen (Universal Studios own's the rights to the Sub-Mariner character now).

[Bigkid]

A Human Torch versus Namor match would be awesome, but with the characters licenced to different studios I doubt it will be happening anytime soon.

I see all the major "old school" directors have been mentioned. As for the newer crop, my picks would be:

Alfonso Cuaron: He actually made me enjoy a Harry Potter film, so that's gotta count for something.

David Twohy: I think I'm one of the few people who really dug Chronicles of Riddick. In fact, I think it's the best thing Vin Diesel has ever done. The problem with Riddick was it was too dense for the average moviegoer. With a lighter touch I think Twohy would be a natural for Namor.

Richard Kelly: I haven't seen Domino but I still think this guy could make a great C2F, and Namor could be his foot in the door. Donnie Darko proved he can balance drama, comedy, science fiction, and pathos, while adding an almost dream-like quality to the proceedings. He may be better suited to the Silver Surfer, but I'd be curious to see what he could do with Namor.

Guillermo del Toro: So what if he is primarily known as a horror director? Look at how many different genres Spielberg has dabbled in. I think this guy has an amazing visual sense, and let's face it, visuals are either going to make or break this film. The money for a Namor film is going to have to be right up there on the screen, and I thought del Toro did amazing things with his budgets for both Blade 2 and Hellboy.
___________
"Lips like sugar."

OH NOBLE NORRIN!
I like your choices, actually. They are "out of the box" styled, and I usually play it closer to the vest. But those are nice "how about these guys........"

When you posted that Cuaron would be a good choice, I started thinking a little out of the box myself. I just had an idea of that Brazilian director, Mierreles (I don't think I'm spelling his name right, but he's the guy who directed "City of God", and just recently, "The Constant Gardner"). Or maybe his co-producing partner, Walter Salles. The both of them have very interesting visual imagery, and I love the photography done in "City of God". I used to remember the name of the Director of Photography on that flick, but I can't remember his name now of the top of my head. But I think HE'D be an interesting choice. What say the rest of you all?? Please......ya know..........SHARE!

IMPERIUS REX!! :P

[Pod]

Let's see what directors would be good for this film... :? Ok, I still can't think up of a director that is specificaly good at these type of films and are not that popular. Maybe the guy who did Domino or The Island could be good at this flick because their big action directors. :shock:

Ehh, I really don't have a clue on a good director for this movie.

[Bigkid]

Not a problem, bearpod! You mean the director of "Domino" (the film that just came out with Kiera Knightley?) That would be Tony Scott. His brother is Ridley Scott, who directed Russel Crowe in "Gladiator". Maybe HE'D be a good choice, eh? I've always dug Ridley Scott's films, and Crowe and he have collaborated very well together. I mean, Crowe DID get nominated &amp; won the Oscar for "Gladiator", maybe they'd be able to hook up again on this one.....with Crowe being Namor? I DO recall bearpod actually thinking that Crowe would be a good choice.

[Pod]

Good memory Bigkid! :wink:

Yeah I think that guy should definitly direct the movie and if his brother had done a movie with Crowe then it makes it perfect! 8)

Now to tell thier agents to sign 'em up to direct Namor! :lol:

[Bigkid]

Well, even though I COULD understand the CHOICE that you put forth (for Russell Crowe as Namor, that is), I don't think he's the absolute PERFECT choice. Although he's a damn good actor (despite that fact that he's a damn FOOL), I still sort of think that Karl Urban would be a really good choice.....or perhaps Jim Caviezal....... or Logan (Wolverine himself), Hugh Jackman. As you can see, I go back &amp; forth on this issue. But Ridley Scott could be a terrific choice for director, no question. Oh, and by the way: The director of "City of God" and "The Constant Gardner" is a Brazillian chap by the name of Fernando Mierelles. I just got the correct spelling of his name off of the DVD cover of "City of God". I think, as a darkhorse candidate, you can't ask for somebody better. But, to be honest, I think this is a guy that you'd have to woo quite a bit in order to do a film like this: a C2F. He's a picky sort of guy.......it took him a while to decide to direct "The Constant Gardner" after the big success he had with "City of God", so I don't know if he'd be into it. :wink:

[easy D]

EASILEEEE!!!
Well, the problem that I have with Verhoven, is that those films that you've mentioned? While they were big hits in their own right, I think that this director has a tendency to make something look very campy in the long run. I mean, yes, he did direct Basic Instinct as well, and he also did Total Recall, but even those films, at times, upon recent viewings, have sort of drifted towards that of camp. I'm not too sure that this is the guy for the job, considering how many people feel that Namor shouldn't even be getting his own vehicle. So to hand this character over to a director who has a knack for making violent (but at the same time, VERY), campy films...... I don't know if I'd trust this in his hands. At least with guys like McTiernan or Donner......they really have a knack for getting real, human performances out of their leads/stars. Now, I don't know who's going to wind up being cast as The Sub-Mariner, but I can tell you that I don't want a situation like in Conan The Barbarian, when Schwartzeneger tell's Cron........ "DA HELL WIT CHOO!" Don't need Namor saying something ridiculous like THAT!

Well, I don't really think that the fact that Verhoeven's films are really his fault. Movies like Starship Troopers and Showgirls had such ridiculous stories and Robocop and Total Recall were both special effect heavy films that just become dated. Also, those movies are from the 80's! The hair alone could make anything campy.

I'd think that with a good script and state-of-the-art special effects, Verhoeven would do as good a job as McTiernan or Donner.

Plus, (big surprise :roll: ) I'm still holding out for the Rock as Namor. Seriously, at this point, I can't think of anybody else.

[Bigkid]

Nothing against that choice, EASILLEEE!! I think that Rock would make a great Namor.....even though I've said that maybe somebody with better acting chops should be wooed into this..... just as long as Jake Gyllenhall is NOT put into it! He's not a bad actor, but .....I don't care HOW MUCH the guy would pump iron for this role......he wouldn't be right for it. The reason I mention HIM is because that's what a studio does: They go with the "flavor of the month", if you know what I mean. And this project is over at Universal. They have a history of doing things by the Hollywood playbook.

[Pod]

Nothing against that choice, EASILLEEE!! I think that Rock would make a great Namor.....even though I've said that maybe somebody with better acting chops should be wooed into this..... just as long as Jake Gyllenhall is NOT put into it! He's not a bad actor, but .....I don't care HOW MUCH the guy would pump iron for this role......he wouldn't be right for it. The reason I mention HIM is because that's what a studio does: They go with the "flavor of the month", if you know what I mean. And this project is over at Universal. They have a history of doing things by the Hollywood playbook.

*GULP* :shock:

Ooh, it would be horrible if they go with that skinny dude. Yeah, he got pumped for Jarhead but man, he can't play Namor...ever! I think the Rock can pull of Namor but I'm just not sure...Namor doesn't THAT buff in the comics to be that big for the film but it might make him more popular than Aquaman by Actor purposes. 8)

[Bigkid]

Au contrair, BEARPOD! The Sub-Mariner is VERY buffed out. Matter of fact, if you look at some of the old comic book covers from, let's say, even, the late 60's, he's one big dude! Not HULK big, but certainly they did draw him with every intention of making him look VERY big. I recently went over to ignfilmforce.com (when the story broke about how Chris Columbus dropped out of the film), and when I hit the link on that news story, they had drawings of Namor (which were in thumbnails), so I clicked on the images, and there is one image in particular of Namor with Sue Storm, her in front of him (semi-embrace). Normally, I don't recommend going over to a competing web-site, but in this case, I'll make an exception. If you go over there, you can look into past news stories, and go to that one (it's fairly recent, so you should be able to find it in some recent archive), and take a gander at the pic that I'm talking about. It can change your mind. But I believe that whomever they would wind up going with, it would be somebody who's being cast in it for how GOOD they are..........NOT based solely on any sort of physical appearance.

[WC]

Au contrair, BEARPOD! The Sub-Mariner is VERY buffed out. Matter of fact, if you look at some of the old comic book covers from, let's say, even, the late 60's, he's one big dude! Not HULK big, but certainly they did draw him with every intention of making him look VERY big. I recently went over to ignfilmforce.com (when the story broke about how Chris Columbus dropped out of the film), and when I hit the link on that news story, they had drawings of Namor (which were in thumbnails), so I clicked on the images, and there is one image in particular of Namor with Sue Storm, her in front of him (semi-embrace). Normally, I don't recommend going over to a competing web-site, but in this case, I'll make an exception. If you go over there, you can look into past news stories, and go to that one (it's fairly recent, so you should be able to find it in some recent archive), and take a gander at the pic that I'm talking about. It can change your mind. But I believe that whomever they would wind up going with, it would be somebody who's being cast in it for how GOOD they are..........NOT based solely on any sort of physical appearance.

Would that somebody be Matt Damon, by any chance? :lol:

[Pod]

Au contrair, BEARPOD! The Sub-Mariner is VERY buffed out. Matter of fact, if you look at some of the old comic book covers from, let's say, even, the late 60's, he's one big dude! Not HULK big, but certainly they did draw him with every intention of making him look VERY big. I recently went over to ignfilmforce.com (when the story broke about how Chris Columbus dropped out of the film), and when I hit the link on that news story, they had drawings of Namor (which were in thumbnails), so I clicked on the images, and there is one image in particular of Namor with Sue Storm, her in front of him (semi-embrace). Normally, I don't recommend going over to a competing web-site, but in this case, I'll make an exception. If you go over there, you can look into past news stories, and go to that one (it's fairly recent, so you should be able to find it in some recent archive), and take a gander at the pic that I'm talking about. It can change your mind. But I believe that whomever they would wind up going with, it would be somebody who's being cast in it for how GOOD they are..........NOT based solely on any sort of physical appearance.

I think the image your talking about is the cover of a recently realeased issue of Ultimate Fantastic Four where Namor is Ultimized(I talked about this in the Comic Reviews Forum) and that picture does have a buffed up Namor but in my perspective I think when you say buffed up, you mean that he is almost like the hulk in a way. I've seen the cover alot (being a UFF fan) and see the buffed up presence but I still think that look isn't that big to be called "buffed up". I think alot of actors can have that figure but not guys that still look skinny when they buff up.

[Znluvx]

Nothing against that choice, EASILLEEE!! I think that Rock would make a great Namor.....even though I've said that maybe somebody with better acting chops should be wooed into this..... just as long as Jake Gyllenhall is NOT put into it! He's not a bad actor, but .....I don't care HOW MUCH the guy would pump iron for this role......he wouldn't be right for it. The reason I mention HIM is because that's what a studio does: They go with the "flavor of the month", if you know what I mean. And this project is over at Universal. They have a history of doing things by the Hollywood playbook.

Although I'd rather see the Rock as the Big Red Cheese, I wouldn't be upset if he put on the green speedo as Namor.

As for Jake Gyllenhall, I hope he gets a second chance to play Spiderman after Tobe McGuire moves on.

[norrinraad]

Yeah, if Tobey leaves I could live with Jake as Peter Parker. However, this being a Namor thread, I don't see Gyllenhaal as Subby. He's too sensitive/baby-faced for the role. Though I doubt the ladies would complain about Jake in speedos for a couple of hours...

And please, no more Rock. He's a living, breathing caricature. In all seriousness, I'd rather see Damon in the role. At least he's a real actor.
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"Cold December snow, and I can't help remembering someone I know
But that was a long time ago."

[Pod]

And please, no more Rock. He's a living, breathing caricature. In all seriousness, I'd rather see Damon in the role. At least he's a real actor.

Matt Damon...Hmm...Matt Damon...I just can't see it...There's a bit of it but...Matt Damon...The guy's vioce is definitly NOT Namor's. So...I can't really picture the dude as Namor so I'm off on that idea.

[norrinraad]

:lol: No no no, Bearpod, I'm not saying Damon is my first choice for Namor :shock: I'm just saying that between him and The Rock, he's the lesser of two bad choices.

Having said that, I still sent in multiple submissions to the "Damon for Namor" online petition because I know how much his being cast means to Bigkid :P
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"This hell is not mine."

[WC]

:lol: No no no, Bearpod, I'm not saying Damon is my first choice for Namor :shock: I'm just saying that between him and The Rock, he's the lesser of two bad choices.

Having said that, I still sent in multiple submissions to the "Damon for Namor" online petition because I know how much his being cast means to Bigkid :P

Where is the link to that petition so Bigkid and I can go and sign it right now? :lol:

[norrinraad]

Awww, no need to be so modest, Welshy. Bigkid already knows you started the petition on his behalf :D :P
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"You're scared to win, you're scared to lose, you're scared to live."

[WC]

Awww, no need to be so modest, Welshy. Bigkid already knows you started the petition on his behalf :D :P


If I did, I don't remember. Maybe Bigkid simply put forward my name because he didn't want to admit to starting it himself! :D :mrgreen:

[Bigkid]

Would that somebody be Matt Damon, by any chance? :lol:

WELSHY!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.......

no.

:wink:

[Bigkid]

I think the image your talking about is the cover of a recently realeased issue of Ultimate Fantastic Four where Namor is Ultimized(I talked about this in the Comic Reviews Forum) and that picture does have a buffed up Namor but in my perspective I think when you say buffed up, you mean that he is almost like the hulk in a way. I've seen the cover alot (being a UFF fan) and see the buffed up presence but I still think that look isn't that big to be called "buffed up". I think alot of actors can have that figure but not guys that still look skinny when they buff up.

BEARPOD!
No, I don't mean to say that he is "Hulk" buffed. I just mean that he's shown to be much bigger than I've seen him in the past.......even though in the past they've drawn him very muscular. I mean, it's just really a matter of splitting hairs....... Namor's "buffed out" appearance can maybe mean that he's sporting 28 inch arms.......where the Hulk has 60 inch arms.

I certainly don't mean to say that they need to get a Sub-Mariner who's huge along the lines of a Hulk. But he can certainly be as big as Black Bolt is from The Inhumans.

[Bigkid]

Awww, no need to be so modest, Welshy. Bigkid already knows you started the petition on his behalf :D :P


If I did, I don't remember. Maybe Bigkid simply put forward my name because he didn't want to admit to starting it himself! :D :mrgreen:


WELSHY! OH NOBLE NORRIN!!

you guy's are insane!

AND......PLEASE.........NORRIN........ PLLLLEEEAAASEEE...... don't lose sight of your senses! Damon being the lesser of 2 evil's to ROCK??? Granted, Namor needs an actor that will really bring the spirit of the comic to it....but the only thing I can see Damon bringing to the table is a coffee for whomever they GET to play Namor!!!

[norrinraad]

AND......PLEASE.........NORRIN........ PLLLLEEEAAASEEE...... don't lose sight of your senses! Damon being the lesser of 2 evil's to ROCK??? Granted, Namor needs an actor that will really bring the spirit of the comic to it....but the only thing I can see Damon bringing to the table is a coffee for whomever they GET to play Namor!!!

"DAMON!! GO GET ME A HAM &amp; SWISS ON RYE! MOVE YOUR LILLY WHITE A$$"

:D :lol: :P
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"I miss you, miss you, with all my soul
Miss you, miss you, can't feel whole."

[Bigkid]

EGGG ZAC LY!!!

NOW YOU'RE TAWKIN!!!!

No Damon for this flick......PLEASE!

O.K., so how about it, then...... if people are losing interest in The Rock....who'd be people's next choice for this then??

I still think that there is a nice pool of actors to look at. Then, again, if they went the route of "unknown", I couldn't be TOO mad about that. Since Chris Columbus dropped out, I think it's going to be even more essential to get a director who's MORE than qualified for the gig. But an unknown actor for this role may not be a bad idea. I've heard too often that people sometimes will get too distracted in the course of watching a film by somebody who's a known NAME or STAR, that it actually distracts from the film for them. It's sort of like, when you watch the film "The Apostle", with Robert Duvall, and all these unknowns (or less known) actors are doing there thing.....and then, all of a sudden, Farrah Fawcett is on screen, and it just sort of takes you out of the flick. I don't want that here in THIS instant. I've said before that I wouldn't mind Hugh Jackman in the role of Namor, but when upon further review of my OWN allegations here..... maybe I should start harping for HIM in particular. So, let's see:

A). Jim Caviezal
B). Karl Urban
C). The Rock
D). Somebody else that anybody else wants to suggest??

Please................SHARE! :wink:

[WC]

AND......PLEASE.........NORRIN........ PLLLLEEEAAASEEE...... don't lose sight of your senses! Damon being the lesser of 2 evil's to ROCK??? Granted, Namor needs an actor that will really bring the spirit of the comic to it....but the only thing I can see Damon bringing to the table is a coffee for whomever they GET to play Namor!!!

"DAMON!! GO GET ME A HAM &amp; SWISS ON RYE! MOVE YOUR LILLY WHITE A$$"

:D :lol: :P


"And while you're at it Damon, go get yourself a decent tan, a workout in the gym, and your ears pointed, then come straight back here to collect your green speedos!" :D :mrgreen: :lol:

[norrinraad]

"And while you're at it Damon, go get yourself a decent tan, a workout in the gym, and your ears pointed, then come straight back here to collect your green speedos!" :D :mrgreen: :lol:

Welshy, I'm starting to wonder if you're really Damon and Biggie is your agent :P

Or vice versa could work too, I suppose...:)
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"And I'm not sorry,
It's human nature."

[WC]

"And while you're at it Damon, go get yourself a decent tan, a workout in the gym, and your ears pointed, then come straight back here to collect your green speedos!" :D :mrgreen: :lol:

Welshy, I'm starting to wonder if you're really Damon and Biggie is your agent :P

Or vice versa could work too, I suppose...:)


Damn. Bigkid's secret exposed! :mrgreen:

As I've always said, I will only back Matt Damon as Namor as long as BigKid does, and so far, he hasn't given me any cause to do otherwise! :lol: :mrgreen:

[Pod]

This forum is soo wacky...which is a good thing. :wink:

Ok, so Damon isn't cutting it for me so I say nay.

Give me better buffed up actors! That can act! :shock:

The Rock is out. And so are alot of wrestler actors.

[norrinraad]

Shlockmeister Roger Corman, when interviewed recently, was asked about which comic book character he would most like to adapt to the big screen, were he given the chance.

"Undoubtedly the Sub-Mariner. He has always been my favourite. I have a script that has been laying around for years and financers who are just waiting for the word. I also know who I would cast. I'm just waiting for Universal to let the rights lapse."

Gulp, can you imagine a Sub-Mariner film made by Corman's company? I can see it now, a show tune lovin' Namor prancing around in a green thong...No word on who Corman would cast but I'm sure Matt Damon would be in the running :lol:

Universal had better start work on this movie ASAP :P
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"The rope that’s wrapped around me
Is cutting through my skin
And the doubts that have surrounded me
Are finding their way in"

[Pod]

Wierd chioce for a movie by that guy. :shock: I wouldn't expect him getting the gig for Namor. And if there's a script lying around, then why can't they get more directors wanting to do this project!? :?

[WC]

It suddenly occurred to me: How does one pronounce "Sub Mariner"?

Is it pronounced as two words - ie, Sub + Mariner - ie, a Mariner who goes below (Sub)?

Or like Submariner? - ie - Submarine + r (like a Submarine)?

On JAG, I always hear them pronouncing it like the second version, Submariner (like Submarine). And since that show is endorsed by the US Navy, how wrong can they be?

But is it different for Namor?

Anyone know?

[norrinraad]

It suddenly occurred to me: How does one pronounce "Sub Mariner"?

Hmmm, believe it or not I've wondered about this myself. I was always pronouncing it "Submarine" with an "r" on the end. However, I've heard it pronounced Sub-Mare-Inn-Er before too.

I guess we need to get Bigkid's expert opinion before we can reach a consensus.
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"What is it about this human condition?
I need some kind of promise
some kind of submission tonight."

[easy D]

It suddenly occurred to me: How does one pronounce "Sub Mariner"?

Is it pronounced as two words - ie, Sub + Mariner - ie, a Mariner who goes below (Sub)?

Or like Submariner? - ie - Submarine + r (like a Submarine)?

On JAG, I always hear them pronouncing it like the second version, Submariner (like Submarine). And since that show is endorsed by the US Navy, how wrong can they be?

But is it different for Namor?

Anyone know?

Well, Namor doesn't use a submarine, so he can't be a "Subma-REE-ner", but he does go underwater a lot, so he could be called a "Sub-MARE-iner". Like the baseball team, the Seattle "MARE-iners".

[WC]

It suddenly occurred to me: How does one pronounce "Sub Mariner"?

Is it pronounced as two words - ie, Sub + Mariner - ie, a Mariner who goes below (Sub)?

Or like Submariner? - ie - Submarine + r (like a Submarine)?

On JAG, I always hear them pronouncing it like the second version, Submariner (like Submarine). And since that show is endorsed by the US Navy, how wrong can they be?

But is it different for Namor?

Anyone know?

Well, Namor doesn't use a submarine, so he can't be a "Subma-REE-ner", but he does go underwater a lot, so he could be called a "Sub-MARE-iner". Like the baseball team, the Seattle "MARE-iners".

True, and I've been pronouncing it Sub-MARE-iner rather than Submar-REE-ner for years (although I started off the other way round). But still, even though he doesn't use a Submarine, perhaps the name is used to compare him to one since he goes underwater. After all, that's the way it is with all the other Marvel characters who take their name from something else: eg, Wolverine doesn't turn into an actual Wolverine, or Man Thing doesn't...er... use his Man Thing! :lol:

[Pod]

I guess I always try to keep Sub Mariner two words as possible. Submariner?? That sounds like a MegaMorph type of thing for the character. :lol:

I'm going to stick with calling him "Namor". Which sounds completely better and shorter than Sub Mariner. :wink:

[Bigkid]

It's pronounced:

Sub- Ma-reh-nur.

(The "ma" is said like it rhymes with the sound a goat makes.......you know: BAAAAAA!)

When I was a little kid, I used to say call him Sub-Ma-REEE-nur. But one of my brothers straightened me out about the pronouncing of the word. Funny thing was, though, my dad used to read the comic when HE was a kid, and HE pronounced it SUB-MA-REEEE-NUR! I remember correcting him when I was a little kid, and he said to me, "That's what WE called him."

Obviously he knew the difference, but I'm sure you all get my meaning

[WC]

It's pronounced:

Sub- Ma-reh-nur.

(The "ma" is said like it rhymes with the sound a goat makes.......you know: BAAAAAA!)

When I was a little kid, I used to say call him Sub-Ma-REEE-nur. But one of my brothers straightened me out about the pronouncing of the word. Funny thing was, though, my dad used to read the comic when HE was a kid, and HE pronounced it SUB-MA-REEEE-NUR! I remember correcting him when I was a little kid, and he said to me, "That's what WE called him."

Obviously he knew the difference, but I'm sure you all get my meaning

I thought sheep say baaaa! Anyway, thanks for the clarification. But how do you know this other than the fact that your brother said so? Not that I doubt him, because I used to say the same pronunciation as your dad until I heard otherwise. But now it's been a while since I last heard it pronounced, and then I heard them pronouncing the similar word on JAG as Sub-Ma-reen-er, and started to question it all.

[Bigkid]

I can't really answer that for sure.......it might've just been a big mistake, because that's REALLY not the way to pronounce that word. I remember when I was in high school, and a Navy recruiter came to visit our school, and I'd inquired about what working on a submarine was like......and he said that those who worked on board a submarine were ......Sub-ma-reh-nur's........ so I'm thinking that the t.v. program could've made a very bad mistake, there. I mean, I'm sure that they have technical advisors on the show, but sometimes there are things that slip thru the cracks and mistakes aren't caught in time. Or perhaps it was said sarcastically.....you know, to make fun of the word itself? In what context was the word said??

[WC]

I can't really answer that for sure.......it might've just been a big mistake, because that's REALLY not the way to pronounce that word. I remember when I was in high school, and a Navy recruiter came to visit our school, and I'd inquired about what working on a submarine was like......and he said that those who worked on board a submarine were ......Sub-ma-reh-nur's........ so I'm thinking that the t.v. program could've made a very bad mistake, there. I mean, I'm sure that they have technical advisors on the show, but sometimes there are things that slip thru the cracks and mistakes aren't caught in time. Or perhaps it was said sarcastically.....you know, to make fun of the word itself? In what context was the word said??

JAG can't be a mistake though. It was officially endorsed by the US Navy (in fact, the only show to be officially endorsed by them), with literally dozens of Naval and Legal advisors, US Navy extras etc. Lots of the footage was probably just from Navy training exercises or performed for the show by experts. Bill Clinton even made guest appearances from time to time. In 10 seasons of it, could a mispronunciation really slip through the cracks with all these people around?

The context was to do with crewmen on board submarines - said entirely in all seriousness. One was an episode about the anniversary of Pearl Harbour and an investigation into a submarine that was sunk off the coast of Hawaii.

I'd have to say that perhaps one (JAG) relates to a submarine, whereas the other (Namor) relates to a mariner who just goes underwater. That would be the best explanation. Or that it is pronounced differently on purpose, just like they all say MAG-NEET-OH, rather than MAG-NET-O, even though people don't refer to them as Magneets.

[Pod]

I'd have to say that perhaps one (JAG) relates to a submarine, whereas the other (Namor) relates to a mariner who just goes underwater. That would be the best explanation. Or that it is pronounced differently on purpose, just like they all say MAG-NEET-OH, rather than MAG-NET-O, even though people don't refer to them as Magneets.

My spanish teacher says it MAG-NET-OH... :lol:

I just checked from a History Channel special on comic books and pronounced Namor "The Sub-Ma-reh-ner", so I guess I'll go by that. :D

[Bigkid]

Yes.........History Channel got it right, I agree.

Did they say on The History Channel who is in line to PLAY The Sub-Ma-Reh-Nur?? :wink:

Please...........SHARE!

[Pod]

Yes.........History Channel got it right, I agree.

Did they say on The History Channel who is in line to PLAY The Sub-Ma-Reh-Nur?? :wink:

Please...........SHARE!

I don't know if it's a joke so I'll just say it anyway...

It was a history lesson kind of thing and they didn't have any info on the future films. In movies, they pretty much talked about the films that already came out. They didn't even talk about Batman Begins so I guess they wouldn't talk about Namor which has no true release date and hasn't started production.

[Bigkid]

Yes, I know BEARPOD......... I was making a joke! You didn't have to explain that out! But I've heard of that special from some others on this board, and that aired I think, originally, about a year ago. But, no, I didn't seriously think that you wuold have a casting choice named from THAT source! Just joking around!

[Bigkid]

I was just wondering.........what DOES &quot;sticky&quot; mean?? Did someone bring this back (along with the others marked &quot;sticky&quot;) in order to just make sure that they are kept &quot;sticking around?&quot; I'm not sure why it was brought back..........but NOBODY posted anything! :cry: It was just MY last post! :? What gives?? Can somebody Please........SHARE with me why this thread is back as &quot;sticky&quot;??

Very confused!
:? :?

[Pod]

The mods have the power :shock:

They make some important forums sticky that so that the topic is always on top of the thread.

[WC]

You can make a topic a sticky if you either want it to stay at the top because it is important, or so that other new posters won't start various threads on the same subject when there are ones already existing.

I would do the same for the Captain America threads, except that I'd prefer it as one thread not two. However, there's no way to merge the two threads unfortunately. :(

[Bigkid]

To WC and Bearpod:

Thanks much for clearing that up! I'm very UN-confused now! Which makes me......... :D

[Bigkid]

Since &quot;the powers that be&quot; brought this topic back as a &quot;sticky&quot;, I'm to assume it's something that people would still like to comment on(?) SO.....any other suggestions for who would be good as Prince Namor? I mean........we've probably exhausted all possibilities (well, maybe not........there are a MILLION actors out there in the naked city!) But this is also as good a place to decide who'd be a really good director for this film as well. So.........ANYONE?? Any suggestions for the OTHER cast members as well??

Please..............SHARE! :wink:

[Pod]

Does this project even have a due date? :?

[Bigkid]

Does this project even have a due date? :?

Hey......... POD nuh!

Everytime I look at the news updates on this one, it always has a TBA (to be announced) alongside it. However, there also have been suggestions for an '07 release date (believe it or not, it was originally thought that it would be released THIS year), but, apparently, that CAN'T be the case now! To be honest, I don't know how a release date for even NEXT year could be at all possible. They need to have another director attached to this &amp; then to take it from there. Which could happen anytime now from NOW till the end of the year. I don't say this because that's what is being said, I say it because a director could be announced at ANY TIME before the year ends. However, I also say it with a little bit of hope......... I mean, look at how relatively fast they were able to replace Nick Cassavettes on the [/i]Iron Man project (Jon Favreau). It's not going to be a really easy task to find somebody as replaceable a name as Chris Columbus, but I'm sure that there are good directors out there who would love to dive in (no pun intended!) on THIS project. 8)

[FireStormTrooper]

Maybe this topic should be unstuck too. The last post was over 2 months ago and there's been nothing new about the project. Just kinda wierd to see this topic at the top of the page when it seems pretty quiet in here.

Just my opinion is all.

[Bigkid]

Thanks for responding to it anyway, FST!

No news on this project STILL ( :cry: ).

Bit I still retain some hope! :D

Hey.....by the way.....I saw ANOTHER actor that I thought might be a good Namor candidate........Craig Bierko. He was terrific in Cinderella Man when he portrayed Max Baer.......there were moments of him in the ring when he's stalking his opponents that I think look downright deadly......but could he pull off the nobility thing is my only question(?) He's a good actor, but that's a real sticking point with moi. Since we finally got a response after 2 months ( :lol: ), anyone care to comment on what they think of my latest choice to play the Avenging Son?? Please........SHARE!! 8)

[Bigkid]

I thought that since the next posting I made was going to be my 3000th here on C2F, that it would only be appropriate to post on my favorite topic! Thank you all for being so great &amp; responding, at times, actually, on this topic. I know that Namor is not really a fan favorite here, but it's certainly been interesting that there have been 415 responses (I'm sure, for the most part, that I make up a good portion of those!

Anyone think that my last thought on who could possibly play Namor (Craig Bierko), was a good/decent/all right/ downright sucks.......choice??

Please..........SHARE! ON MY 3000TH POST! :lol:

[Pod]

Congrats on the 3000th post! As for Namor, I'm still wondering if he'll even get a script any time soon.

[Oldsoul3300]

I would much prefer to see Namor introduced as a supporting character in the 3rd Fantastic Four movie (much like they are doing with Silver Surfer), then allowing him to spin off into his own film.
However, since last I heard Universal owned the rights to Namor, I doubt this will happen.
Of course in another year or two, Universal's rights to the character could expire, freeing Fox to use the character if Marvel wants to take that route.

[Bigkid]

Congrats on the 3000th post! As for Namor, I'm still wondering if he'll even get a script any time soon.

Hey 'POD NUH!

Thanks on the congrats on my 3,000th! As for your question, there already IS a script on The Sub-Mariner, which is owned by Universal Studios. It's just that it's hit a snag in production since Chris Columbus bowed out as director last year.

[Bigkid]

I would much prefer to see Namor introduced as a supporting character in the 3rd Fantastic Four movie (much like they are doing with Silver Surfer), then allowing him to spin off into his own film.
However, since last I heard Universal owned the rights to Namor, I doubt this will happen.
Of course in another year or two, Universal's rights to the character could expire, freeing Fox to use the character if Marvel wants to take that route.

OLDIE!

Yes, I've thought of that possiblity myself, and given the fact that it seem's to be getting longer &amp; longer to have a Sub-Mariner feature actually happen on it's own, I'm not entirely against the idea as I used to be. I'm thinking that it could very well happen that within the next year or so, Universal's rights over the character do, in fact, expire, leaving the door open for Marvel to swipe back the rights and perhaps develop it themselves. Not develop him as a supporting character for another film, mind you, but for his own vehicle. The idea, however, is for Namor to get to the big screen, that's what I'm hoping. So if it has to happen under the auspices of another Marvel title, well, so be it. I, for one, just want to have the chance to see my favorite Marvel (and comic character in general), get the big screen treatment is all.

[Bigkid]

I was reading today's news (Aug.23rd), and I was reading that interview that Kevin Feige gave to MTV NEWS. In it, the writer of the article mentions that &quot;there are other characters outside of the Spider-Man &amp; X-Men films&quot; that will be given the big screen treatment. Well, you can guess who they mention in the article, I guess! I'm thinking that Marvel will buy back the rights to the Namor script &amp; give ole Subby the big screen treatment themselves. It dosen't say this, however, in the article, but one can only surmise this, right?

(Hey......anybody have ANY thoughts on my last suggestion as to who could be playing Sub-Mariner?)

Actor Craig Bierko?

Last BIG role I remember him in: Played Max Baer in the Russel Crow film, &quot;Cinderella Man?&quot; Anyone?? Please.........SHARE! :lol:

[Pod]

A bit off-topic but the question has been on my mind for a while now--

Is Namor still a Prince? If so, then who's the king? :?

[easy D]

You know, I saw Craig Bierko in Scary Movie 4, and I don't see it.


Dude was pretty funny, though.

[Bigkid]

A bit off-topic but the question has been on my mind for a while now--

Is Namor still a Prince? If so, then who's the king? :?

'POD!

LOL! YES........Namor is STILL the Prince.........there was no king........his mother was Princess Fen, and his grandfather was Emperor Thakkor. :lol:

[Bigkid]

You know, I saw Craig Bierko in Scary Movie 4, and I don't see it.


Dude was pretty funny, though.

EASILLEEE!

Well, the reason that I thought of him, was in Cinderella Man, there is a scene in which Russell Crow's character is watching film on Max Baer, and in one of the moments in which he's watching the film, Bierko is seen glowering into the camera, walking sort of slow motion-like. His look, his demeanor, the burning nastiness &amp; arrogance were all there in one package..... I thought he could do a great job. I've been sort of thinking for the longest time that Karl Urban (Eomar in the Lord of the Rings films), would make a great Namor, but this is just another name to sort of kick around. If you get the chance to catch Cinderella Man (either again or if you've never seen it), watch it......and just MAYBE you'll see what I mean.
He's a really good actor, actually, and I think that he could pull this off, even if you feel he's more suited for comedic roles (he is actually a pretty funny guy, I remember watching him in clips from the film &quot;Sour Grapes&quot;).

[Pod]

A bit off-topic but the question has been on my mind for a while now--

Is Namor still a Prince? If so, then who's the king? :?

'POD!

LOL! YES........Namor is STILL the Prince.........there was no king........his mother was Princess Fen, and his grandfather was Emperor Thakkor. :lol:

No King?! Wow, Namor's fatherless or something? :? Might explain the attitude.

[B]

I think his father was Human? I forget.

Of course, since his predecessor (Thakkor) was an Emperor, he still shouldn't be only a Prince! :lol:

[Bigkid]

I think his father was Human? I forget.

Of course, since his predecessor (Thakkor) was an Emperor, he still shouldn't be only a Prince! :lol:

BEE!

Right you are (about Namor's father), who was a human. His father was a sea Captain, Leonard McKenzie.

As far as what his status should be, Prince or King or Emperor...... I've never given much thought to it, to be honest. It's like the royal family......you've got Prince Charles, and Prince Harry, blah blah.....but I guess one the Queen mum dies, then SOMEBODY becomes King, right? But Princess Fen wasn't a queen, she was a Princess........but then again, her MOTHER would've been the QUEEN......... oh well, there WAS no mother to Fen documented in the comics anyway........so who gives a damn?? :lol:

[Bigkid]

Just saw another flick recently .........The Illusionist......... and I wanted to throw out another Namor suggestion: Rufus Sewell, who played Jessica Beals' snobbish fiance-Emperor-in-waiting character. I can't say that I was the one who originally thought of him, actually. Somebody else on these boards did suggest him at one point (it was quite a while ago, so I can't remember who to give credit to), but I couldn't help but think, that with a really good workout regimen for this guy (get him more bulked up), pointy ears, the whole shebang, this guy could REALLY bring to life that royal arrogance that Namor embodied. He'd be an interesting Sub-Mariner for sure. Anybody else care to comment? To agree........disagree??

Please.........all.........SHARE! 8)

[Pod]

Just saw another flick recently .........The Illusionist......... and I wanted to throw out another Namor suggestion: Rufus Sewell, who played Jessica Beals' snobbish fiance-Emperor-in-waiting character. I can't say that I was the one who originally thought of him, actually. Somebody else on these boards did suggest him at one point (it was quite a while ago, so I can't remember who to give credit to), but I couldn't help but think, that with a really good workout regimen for this guy (get him more bulked up), pointy ears, the whole shebang, this guy could REALLY bring to life that royal arrogance that Namor embodied. He'd be an interesting Sub-Mariner for sure. Anybody else care to comment? To agree........disagree??

Please.........all.........SHARE! 8)

He does look very villiany and Namor is a anti-hero. I guess but he just looks a bit too big in a way for Namor...and too old...

[Bigkid]

Just saw another flick recently .........The Illusionist......... and I wanted to throw out another Namor suggestion: Rufus Sewell, who played Jessica Beals' snobbish fiance-Emperor-in-waiting character. I can't say that I was the one who originally thought of him, actually. Somebody else on these boards did suggest him at one point (it was quite a while ago, so I can't remember who to give credit to), but I couldn't help but think, that with a really good workout regimen for this guy (get him more bulked up), pointy ears, the whole shebang, this guy could REALLY bring to life that royal arrogance that Namor embodied. He'd be an interesting Sub-Mariner for sure. Anybody else care to comment? To agree........disagree??

Please.........all.........SHARE! 8)

He does look very villiany and Namor is a anti-hero. I guess but he just looks a bit too big in a way for Namor...and too old...

POD!
You felt that he looks TOO big? Do you mean too MUSCULAR? Or too TALL?? I'm not following. I felt that he didn't look muscular enough......height wise, if that's what you meant, I think Sewell would fit in fine........Namor is supposed to be about six feet three, or 2, I'm not sure. Also, as far as him looking too OLD, I don't know how old Sewell is, but I have a feeling that to do this film, they'd probably have a few actors to play him in a chronological type order anyway.......from when he's a mere child, to early teens, etc etc. So I'm sure Sewell could be used as the completely grown up Namor. Personally, I don't think he's that old to be playing The Sub-Mariner anyway.

[Pod]

His head looks too big... :? I just don't see his face looking much like Namors.

Other than that, I think Namor should be in his 20's or 30's in the movie.

[Bigkid]

His head looks to big? Well......Namor IS supposed to be big-headed, anyway, right? :lol:

I'm sure that they WILL have an actor portray Sub-Mariner in his 20's or 30's at some point in the film........but I really think that they are going to have a few actors play him at various stages of his life. I just thought that Sewell would be a good choice to play the Namor that we would all see in the remainder of the film (as an adult). But if you can't see him in the role, that's that (for your thoughts on Sewell, I mean!) I think that he'd make an interesting Namor though. My front runner is STILL Karl Urban, but I believe they could still use Rufus Sewell if Urban were not attainable......which, if this film takes a long ass time to get off the ground, just might wind up becoming the case, if several of his films become big hits (specifically one that is coming up very soon.......Pathfinder). That COULD be the film that really makes this guy's career. 8)

[Bigkid]

Hey........great news for the &quot;Namor&quot; fan, huh?? Jonathan Mostow (who directed &quot;Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines&quot;), has been tabbed to direct! I've always said that it's most important to find a director FIRST in this whole thing. But I'm a little anxious as to whom they will cast in it.

From what I've also read, Mostow is set to re-write the script. That, to be honest, gives me a little bit of pause. I've heard that David Self's script was actually terrific. I mean, I never read the screenplay, but whenever I hear that there are going to be re-writes, it just gives me a little bit of apprehension.

So.......what do the rest of you all think of this latest move? Anybody like........NOT like.......? Please..........SHARE! 8)

[Pod]

I'm interested that Namor is getting progress again. I wonder how long it will be until we get a word on who's going to play Namor.

[Bigkid]

There is no word on that front as of right now........but I just went over to another comics based web site.......and I read a small blurb about &quot;what the film is about&quot;:

It's based on a story about a young man who DISCOVERS that he's an ancestor of the long lost race of Atlantis and that (I'm paraphrasing here), he's the center piece of a long brewing war between Atlanteans &amp; Humans.

HUHHH????

It look's as if the changes are in already, folks! First of all, Namor was born IN Atlantis, IS an Atlantean by birth......and is a Prince of the Blood by birth. But.......I guess in order to make this story accessable to folks who aren't familiar with it, they've had to make changes that they feel would be able to nab people's interest. So I guess it ISN'T going to be taking place during WW2, and that Namor, to start the film off, is going to be someone who starts being one of us (human, that is), and then his secrets are revealed........in which time we'll see how he slowly starts to come to terms with his being in line for the throne of Atlantis. We'll probably see a &quot;flashbacking&quot; to his origin, and all that.

HMMMMMMM.......... I don't know.........OH WELL, this is STILL in early stages, so we'll just have to wait &amp; see what they've got cookin, I suppose.......... :?

[Pod]

This is what happens when Hollywood gets on these projects and f***'s up on the origin by making it more connectable to the general audience. So, there ya go. Aquaman all over again...

[Bigkid]

I don't follow what you mean, BEARPOD. What do you mean by &quot;Aquaman all over again?&quot; :?

[Pod]

I don't follow what you mean, BEARPOD. What do you mean by &quot;Aquaman all over again?&quot; :?

That show that got cancelled had the whole &quot;He finds out about his powers&quot; thing. Sounds like Namor will be forced to get the same treatment.

[Znluvx]

I don't follow what you mean, BEARPOD. What do you mean by &quot;Aquaman all over again?&quot; :?

That show that got cancelled had the whole &quot;He finds out about his powers&quot; thing. Sounds like Namor will be forced to get the same treatment.

I was thinking the same thing, Pod.

Now that Aquaman is enjoying a surprising resurgence, Marvel looks like they want to build on the &quot;fish out of water&quot; (bad pun, I know) popularity with their own Aqua-dude, namely Namor.

Just another example at how Marvel bests DC.

[Bigkid]

Well, I don't know if Marvel is actually BESTING DC in this instance......particularly if the premise was already tried out in the &quot;Aquaman&quot; case........PLUS it was cancelled! So I don't know if it would bode well for The Avenging Son.

But then again, David Self's original screenplay is still going to be used....it depends on how much of it that Mostow actually re-writes. As big a fan of The Sub-Mariner that I am, I can't help but think that it might be a better way to go........show Namor living a human's life, only to then discover that he is actually part of a long lost civilization that is secretely still existing.......one that we (rest of us humans), maybe gearing towards a war with. Kevin Feige, who is one of the producers on this, said that he's torn between 2 worlds in this film........that's the dichotomy of the character that he wants to explore. I don't know if this in anyway sounds like what they tried to do with Aquaman, but if it is......then maybe somebody actually tried ripping off the idea from David Self! Could be, couldn't it??

[WC]

I don't really want to see a movie about Namor finding out about his powers. I want to see a Namor movie that deals with prejudice and distrust, and has Namor depicted as a villain at the start. I want to see him suspicious of surface dwellers and they convinced that he is a villain. Then I want to see a turning point later in the movie where he is somehow helped or forced to work with a surface dweller and he overcomes his prejudice, while in turn Namor is self sacrificial towards humans and is then seen in a heroic light because he saved those who persecuted him.

That's often what's been at the essence of Namor, and I want that in a film too. Namor should be slightly villainous or at least an anti hero, and only in the end do we see that he was noble all along.

[easy D]

Forget &quot;finding out his powers&quot;...


...what about those crazy little wings on his ankles?

[Bigkid]

I don't really want to see a movie about Namor finding out about his powers. I want to see a Namor movie that deals with prejudice and distrust, and has Namor depicted as a villain at the start. I want to see him suspicious of surface dwellers and they convinced that he is a villain. Then I want to see a turning point later in the movie where he is somehow helped or forced to work with a surface dweller and he overcomes his prejudice, while in turn Namor is self sacrificial towards humans and is then seen in a heroic light because he saved those who persecuted him.

That's often what's been at the essence of Namor, and I want that in a film too. Namor should be slightly villainous or at least an anti hero, and only in the end do we see that he was noble all along.

WC!
I for one do believe that he's going to be used &amp; seen in the light that we all remember him (as the &quot;anti-hero&quot;), for sure. As for what you've proposed......very articulate &amp; reasonable. You've expressed it better than I could. But the question that I have, is will he be seen as a surface dweller, or as an Atlantean at the beginning of the film? I'm thinking it's going to be the former........the essence of the COMIC BOOK is that he was Atlantean from the get-go, but to make this a more viable live-aciton story, I think it's gonig to be done the opposite. That sounds a little strange though.......dosen't it?? Making this story seem viable........there AREN'T any Atlanteans to begin with! So WHO should care abuot whether or not it takes place for Namor in Atlantis to start or not??! You'd think that myself, for one, would've been upset at the mention of how they want to do this film........but actually, I'm not all that bent out of shape about it.

[Bigkid]

Forget &quot;finding out his powers&quot;...


...what about those crazy little wings on his ankles?

EASILEEEEE!!

Well.......that could be the final piece of the puzzle.......when Namor discovers these ankle wings at one point of the film.

But then again, I've a feeling that those ankle wings are going to not make the final cut here.......I wish they would though. Fit them in somehow. Make it work! But then again, if they do THAT, they may have to take away his pointy ears &amp; his arched eyebrows.......unless they get Jonathan Rhys-Meyers to play him.......who already has arched kind of eyebrows! :lol:

(HEY........anybody think that HE'D be a good choice for Namor??)
Please.........SHARE! :D

[WC]

Forget &quot;finding out his powers&quot;...


...what about those crazy little wings on his ankles?

EASILEEEEE!!

Well.......that could be the final piece of the puzzle.......when Namor discovers these ankle wings at one point of the film.

But then again, I've a feeling that those ankle wings are going to not make the final cut here.......I wish they would though. Fit them in somehow. Make it work! But then again, if they do THAT, they may have to take away his pointy ears &amp; his arched eyebrows.......unless they get Jonathan Rhys-Meyers to play him.......who already has arched kind of eyebrows! :lol:

(HEY........anybody think that HE'D be a good choice for Namor??)
Please.........SHARE! :D

If they take away Namor's pointy ears and arched eyebrows that is going too far. He would just be a man in speedos and this might as well be a remake of &quot;The Man From Atlantis&quot;. I say keep the pointy ears, arched eyebrows AND the ankle wings. If they play the whole film seriously, but have someone make a comment about them (voicing any naysaying of the audience) then they can quickly get over that and maybe the audiences will forget about them and focus on the film.

Personally I would've liked to have seen him in a Fantastic Four movie as a villain/ anti-hero, so we get used to the character there. Then he could become more heroic for his own movie. A bit like how they did with Xena in Hercules where she started off as a villain, but then became a proper heroine in her own series (even though she started becoming less of a villain in Hercules in later episodes).

[Bigkid]

I certainly don't want to see them take away all of those physical attributes of Namor myself, guys. But there has to be SOME viable way to put them in if they are going to be doing a sort of reverse of Namor's life on film. In other words, if they are going to show Namor as a surface dweller to start, how are they going to incorporate in all of these strange physical characteristics? Pointy ears?? Ankle wings??? I mean, the wings I'm sure that they are (if they are going to be in the film), going to be able to be fit into the film with a good plot device. The arched eyebrows.......even though it's a look that many people have tried but couldn't pull off......I guess that can be brought in......sort of show Namor maybe even growing up in school with these arched brows &amp; watch as schoolyard bullies try to razz him at school.......and how he winds up showing how they can't do that! OOOOOOOO........ I think I found a way to get his funky eyebrows into this flick.......hey, look at that! But as for the pointy ears.......which are probably the SECOND most identifiable aspect of The Sub-Mariner.......hmmmmmm..........how to fit THAT one in??

Anybody got some suggestions??

Please........SHARE! 8)

[Bigkid]

Before this topic gets buried too far down the list, I thought I'd bring up another casting possibility: Cillian Murphy (Scarecrow in Batman Begins, Jack in Red Eye) I know that physically he's got a lot of work to do (he's pretty thin), but I think that guy can bulk up &amp; get into the sort of shape that the role would require. I sort of got a feeling after watching Red Eye that he could pull off the role of Namor........he's just another choice that I thought of after seeing him a couple of times. I think he's got that sort of otherworldy, alien-ish type of look that would be really good for Sub-Mariner. Plus, Marvel is always saying how they are looking for absolutely the BEST actor possible for their characters to be brought to life by........so even though I've gone on &amp; on at times about Karl Urban, Jim Caviezal, The Rock, Hugh Jackman, et al....... I think Cillian Murphy could probably be just as good a fit as any of them. Anybody think I'm off base here.......or is this a good choice.......what say you all??

Please..........SHARE! :wink:

[norrinraad]

Someone at another message board suggested the actor who used to play Doogie Howser (no, he wasn't being a smartass) and I have to admit he does have that angular, otherworldly look to him. He's about the right age, too. He might have to bulk up a bit but it's not a bad piece of casting, really. Perhaps all the recent media attention surrounding him would make him a poor choice, but based on his looks alone I could see him as Namor.
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Was it too much to ask, for you to take my side?&quot;

[WC]

Doogie Howser as Namor?

Isn't that a bit like having Matt Damon as Namor? :mrgreen: hmm... now there's a thought!

[Bigkid]

Someone at another message board suggested the actor who used to play Doogie Howser (no, he wasn't being a smartass) and I have to admit he does have that angular, otherworldly look to him. He's about the right age, too. He might have to bulk up a bit but it's not a bad piece of casting, really. Perhaps all the recent media attention surrounding him would make him a poor choice, but based on his looks alone I could see him as Namor.
________________
&quot;Guilty as charged, I've been convicted and tried
Was it too much to ask, for you to take my side?&quot;

OH NOBLE NORRIN!

He's Neil Patrick Harris, and he's been on the t.v. series How I Met Your Mother, which is a comedy series. He's not bad on it, actually, but for Namor? I'm going to have to say (in my humble opinion), Nay. As in NAMOR! Seriously, I doubt anybody would take him seriously as the prince of the deep.......that's not to say that he's not a good actor, I just don't think he's right AT ALL for the part, whether or not he hit the gym and got bulked up. However, I recently went to see Apocolypto, and I was very impressed with that guy who played the character Jaguar Paw, the actor's name is Rudy Youngblood. He's Mexican, I believe however, and there would have to be a lot of re-working on that script to make Namor part Atlantean &amp; part human (from Mexican extract, no less), in order to make it work. However, I've stated before that I've read that David Self, who wrote the original screenplay, had said that it's going to be a multi-ethnic cast, so maybe they could say that Namor's human father, Capt Leonard McKenzie, was married to a Mexican woman who died during childbirth (but it's later revealed that she was REALLY an Atlantean princess........who's still alive). That could account for Namor's rather latin-ethnic look......that Atlanteans are of a LOT of different human races &amp; extracts. Does this sound good to anybody? Does anybody have OTHER Namor type casting ideas?? Please.........SHARE! :D

[Bigkid]

Something I just read here on comics2film......... an interesting interview with Avi Arad, who was talking to ScifiWire about the upcoming slate of Marvel films....... also, a comment was made that Nic Cage had told Avi Arad that he hopes that Marvel Studios is going to go ahead as planned on making a Sub-Mariner film. Hmmmmmm.........interesting. I realise that Cage has been wanting to play Namor for YEARS now, but at this point, even though I've got to admit if a Nic Cage gets cast to play Namor that it's a done deal, I don't know if I want to see Namor being played by someone who's speaking in a laise faire (did I spell that correctly??), sort of laid back Californian surfer dude sound. I mean, the guy's in terrific shape, still........and I think that he'd be more than up to the physical challenges of playing The Sub-Mariner........but I've got to think that they are going to want to find an actor that's going to be either sounding a little bit more of the &quot;blue blood&quot; variety, or at the very least, somebody who dosen't sound like he's going to say &quot;dude&quot; at the end of every sentence! But I belive that, just from reading the interview, that Cage seems to be showing some sort of an interest.........but then again, it could just be a lot of bull, too. But the ability of Marvel Studios to be now able to actually have legit conversations with Cage on THIS particular character.......it does make me sort of think. I still think my other contenders are better, buuuuuut stilll.............................

[WC]

Something I just read here on comics2film......... an interesting interview with Avi Arad, who was talking to ScifiWire about the upcoming slate of Marvel films....... also, a comment was made that Nic Cage had told Avi Arad that he hopes that Marvel Studios is going to go ahead as planned on making a Sub-Mariner film. Hmmmmmm.........interesting. I realise that Cage has been wanting to play Namor for YEARS now, but at this point, even though I've got to admit if a Nic Cage gets cast to play Namor that it's a done deal, I don't know if I want to see Namor being played by someone who's speaking in a laise faire (did I spell that correctly??), sort of laid back Californian surfer dude sound. I mean, the guy's in terrific shape, still........and I think that he'd be more than up to the physical challenges of playing The Sub-Mariner........but I've got to think that they are going to want to find an actor that's going to be either sounding a little bit more of the &quot;blue blood&quot; variety, or at the very least, somebody who dosen't sound like he's going to say &quot;dude&quot; at the end of every sentence! But I belive that, just from reading the interview, that Cage seems to be showing some sort of an interest.........but then again, it could just be a lot of bull, too. But the ability of Marvel Studios to be now able to actually have legit conversations with Cage on THIS particular character.......it does make me sort of think. I still think my other contenders are better, buuuuuut stilll.............................

You know, Matt Damon is fairly hot property at the moment, especially with all those Bourne Identity films. He could probably pull off the blue blood variety you speak of too. Plus he's a long-time favourite of yours too. :lol:

[The Xenos]

Matt... Damon.

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/8903/teamamerica56my3.jpg

I kid. I like the guy.. but damn that movie for making that pop into my head.

[Bigkid]

Matt... Damon.

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/8903/teamamerica56my3.jpg

I kid. I like the guy.. but damn that movie for making that pop into my head.

MR.X!

LOL! I ........LOVED that movie! And I hope that image DOES pop into the producer's heads who are working on Sub-Mariner.....'cause that will make them NOT want to cast him as Namor! IF there is any sort of interest in him at ALL, that is!

(I SUUUURE hope there isn't). :wink:

[Bigkid]

You know, Matt Damon is fairly hot property at the moment, especially with all those Bourne Identity films. He could probably pull off the blue blood variety you speak of too. Plus he's a long-time favourite of yours too. :lol:

DUBYA SEE!

OH........C'MOOOON, NOW!!! PLEASE DON'T START WITH THAT NIGHTMARE SCENARIO AGAIN!

AND I AM .........MOST DEFINATELY............NOT.........some sort of die-hard groupie fan of ..........aaarrggghhh........! MATT DAMON'S!! :x :wink:

[proteus48084]

My choice for the Submariner would be THE ROCK!! He's got the both the physique and the &quot;widow's peak&quot; for it. Give him a flattened head (a la Jack Kirby) and a pair of ankle wings and he's perfect for the role. BTW, if a movie starring just him is out of the question, place the Submariner into the Fantastic Four 3 movie along the story line shown in FF #3 back in the 60's.

[Bigkid]

My choice for the Submariner would be THE ROCK!! He's got the both the physique and the &quot;widow's peak&quot; for it. Give him a flattened head (a la Jack Kirby) and a pair of ankle wings and he's perfect for the role. BTW, if a movie starring just him is out of the question, place the Submariner into the Fantastic Four 3 movie along the story line shown in FF #3 back in the 60's.

MR.P!

On both your suggestions, it has been said before on this topic. I, myself, have said many times over again that The Rock wouldn't be a bad idea from a business standpoint. His acting has gotten much better over the years as well..........PLUS, I would agree that look wise he DOES make a great deal of sense. Putting him into an FF film is something that many people here have made comment that would be a better idea.........however, Universal Studios, which owns the rights to the live-action film version of The Sub-Mariner, are still interested, it seems, in making the project. They have director Jonathan Mostow tapped to direct.
I've had SOOO many suggestions throughtout the years here as to who could portray him......not only The Rock, but I've thought that Hugh Jackman, Jim Caviezal, newcomer Rudy Youngblood (from Apocolypto), would ALL make great choices.......also Karl Urban, as well. However, his newest film, Pathfinder, which was supposed to be released in late December then got pushed back to late January, and has NOT been released as yet, makes me think that as good a choice as he would be to play Prince Namor, maybe because this film is not doing well in test screenings that maybe, from a business perspective, Urban wouldn't get the job. They would want an actor that could &quot;open&quot; this film (i.e. would get people excited enough to go see a film with a character in it that's not that familiar to them).

[atx]

If you haven't seen him - he plays Brutus in Rome.
He definitely has the look and with a bit a work the build...and he can act.

[Bigkid]

If you haven't seen him - he plays Brutus in Rome.
He definitely has the look and with a bit a work the build...and he can act.

ATX!
Thanks for the tip. I am not a watcher of &quot;Rome&quot;, but I have seen it on occasion........and I'm kind of familiar with whom you are reffering to.....but I'd have to take another look at it again and see for myself. Also, another actor has come to mind........I haven't seen the film as yet, only the commercials.......but Gerard Butler from 300 looks just about as ornery and, at the same time, arrogantly Princely Royal as ANYBODY that has been suggested here! I've gotta check that film out &amp; check back here with my thoughts on him portraying Namor.

[Bigkid]

The film Pathfinder has finally been released, and from what I've been reading, it dosen't bode well for Mr. Karl Urban, who I've been championing for for a long time for the role of Prince Namor. From what I've been reading, one reviewer (from the NY POST), actually compared him in acting ability to Patrick Swayze, which, by the way, if anyone was reading the article, it was NOT meant to be a kindly comparison! OUCH! But I still rather like him. But I said in this thread a little bit back, that if this film (due to the fact that it was meant to originally come out in November of last year &amp; they didn't release it until APRIL......THIS YEAR), didn't do well and wasn't received very well, that any sort of thought in the head of ANY studio chief to even think about Urban in the title role would probably now change. Not for the better, I'm afraid.

Anyone have any thoughts on this?? Would Urban be YOUR choice?? Or would Patrick Sawyze??!

PLEASE..........SHARE! :lol:

[Ken Buddah]

How about Matt Dillon?

[Bigkid]

How about Matt Dillon?

MR. B!

I don't know about Dillon. He's a good actor, for sure, but I'm thinking that you need an actor who just oozes things that Namor had naturally, such as a princely arrogance, a swagger.......something that truly shows us his princely heritage. However, from what I've been reading about the film, they are going to show Namor as a young man who discovers that he's a descendant of royalty from Atlantis........so perhaps they get an actor who dosen't have to be &quot;right royal&quot; straight from the get-go. I also think that a studio casting this may think that Dillon's a little too old at this point to be playing the part.

[WC]

How about Matt Dillon?

MR. B!

I don't know about Dillon. He's a good actor, for sure, but I'm thinking that you need an actor who just oozes things that Namor had naturally, such as a princely arrogance, a swagger.......something that truly shows us his princely heritage. However, from what I've been reading about the film, they are going to show Namor as a young man who discovers that he's a descendant of royalty from Atlantis........so perhaps they get an actor who dosen't have to be &quot;right royal&quot; straight from the get-go. I also think that a studio casting this may think that Dillon's a little too old at this point to be playing the part.

I think he actually meant Matt Damon :mrgreen:

[WC]

Here's the latest piece of rumoured casting for Namor:

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/32656

David Boreanaz has auditioned for the role. :shock: Ugh.... there's a certain goofiness about him, plus he's maybe too associated with Angel even after playing in Bones.

Come back Matt Damon.... all is forgiven (by BigKid at least) :lol:

[Ken Buddah]

WC said &quot;I think he actually meant Matt Damon&quot;.
Actually, I did mean Matt Dillon, and yeah I guess he is a bit old for the role, but you know it was just an idea.

[WC]

WC said &quot;I think he actually meant Matt Damon&quot;.
Actually, I did mean Matt Dillon, and yeah I guess he is a bit old for the role, but you know it was just an idea.

No, no, no... you did mean Matt Damon... you're just in denial :lol: Come on, don't be modest. It's no shame to admit you like Matt Damon for the role. Look at BigKid - he has no shame about that. :mrgreen:

[Ken Buddah]

Seriously, I DID mean Matt Dillon. If you think he's a bad choice, I can accept that. It was just a fleeting thought, you know? I was just thinking about how Namor looks in the comics and I just thought of Matt Dillon as a possibility.

[Bigkid]

Seriously, I DID mean Matt Dillon. If you think he's a bad choice, I can accept that. It was just a fleeting thought, you know? I was just thinking about how Namor looks in the comics and I just thought of Matt Dillon as a possibility.

Hey Ken.

WC is just having a little fun here. The thing is, a couple years back, some sort of rumor had circulated that Matt Damon was interested in playing Namor on the big screen. When I vehemently opposed the idea of casting Damon, WC kept saying how much I really did want Damon in the role, etc etc. He has been having fun on this topic for a while.......so it's all been just in good fun &amp; having a little bit of a tease with me! Now it looks like YOUR getting it as well! But it's all just in good fun, Ken! :lol:

By the way........Gerard Butler as Namor?? Anybody care to comment.....agree........disagree??

PLEASE.........SHARE! :lol:

[WC]

Seriously, I DID mean Matt Dillon. If you think he's a bad choice, I can accept that. It was just a fleeting thought, you know? I was just thinking about how Namor looks in the comics and I just thought of Matt Dillon as a possibility.

Hey Ken.

WC is just having a little fun here. The thing is, a couple years back, some sort of rumor had circulated that Matt Damon was interested in playing Namor on the big screen. When I vehemently opposed the idea of casting Damon, WC kept saying how much I really did want Damon in the role, etc etc. He has been having fun on this topic for a while.......so it's all been just in good fun &amp; having a little bit of a tease with me! Now it looks like YOUR getting it as well! But it's all just in good fun, Ken! :lol:

By the way........Gerard Butler as Namor?? Anybody care to comment.....agree........disagree??

PLEASE.........SHARE! :lol:

I don't know about Butler as Namor. He doesn't seem quite right for the role. I would hope he wouldn't have that Scottish accent anyway.

What did you think about the David Boreanaz as Namor rumour (ie he's auditioned for the part) that has been circulating extremely recently (last week)?

[Bigkid]

REALLY??? IS THAT FOR REAL???

Interesting, I hadn't even HEARD about that one. Boreanaz as Namor, huh?? Well, for one thing, he's not really someone who would be considered an actor to &quot;open&quot; a film, now would he be? I don't know.....I haven't seen a pic of him for a while.......wait........he's not on the t.v. series &quot;Bones&quot;, is he??

WC........ where did you read about this rumor? Was it on THESE boards?? Please.........SHARE! 8)

[WC]

REALLY??? IS THAT FOR REAL???

Interesting, I hadn't even HEARD about that one. Boreanaz as Namor, huh?? Well, for one thing, he's not really someone who would be considered an actor to &quot;open&quot; a film, now would he be? I don't know.....I haven't seen a pic of him for a while.......wait........he's not on the t.v. series &quot;Bones&quot;, is he??

WC........ where did you read about this rumor? Was it on THESE boards?? Please.........SHARE! 8)

Yeah he is in Bones and used to star as Angel in the tv series of the same name. He wouldn't convince me as Namor at all. He's certainly not regal that's for sure.

Here's the link:

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/32656

[Bigkid]

Yeah, I thought that that was him on the series &quot;Bones&quot;, and yes, he was also on the &quot;Angel&quot; series. I don't know all that much about him, other than those 2 shows, which I never watch (watched). Isn't he somewhat &quot;long in the tooth&quot; now, though, to be portraying Namor? Unless, of course, they are going to be doing a &quot;chronological&quot; Namor film, and they use him for when he's the adult Namor. I say this because in all the press releases about the film, it's been characterized as a film about a &quot;young man&quot; who winds up finding out that he's descended from Atlantean royalty. I don't know how &quot;young&quot; they actually want to go, however, with casting Sub-Mariner. I mean, certainly, the guy isn't ancient, but I believe that if they wanted to make this about somebody who's young, they would want to go with somebody at the very least, 10 or so years younger than Boreanaz. As for you not getting anything royal about him, I couldn't answer that, because I'm unsure of him as an actor. Is there a possiblity, WC, that he's good enough to be able to bring that facet of Namor to life? Or are we talking about an actor that isn't all that good at working at bringing that to life??

By the way, thanks much for that link to that news! Thanks for SHARING! :wink:

[WC]

Yeah, I thought that that was him on the series &quot;Bones&quot;, and yes, he was also on the &quot;Angel&quot; series. I don't know all that much about him, other than those 2 shows, which I never watch (watched). Isn't he somewhat &quot;long in the tooth&quot; now, though, to be portraying Namor? Unless, of course, they are going to be doing a &quot;chronological&quot; Namor film, and they use him for when he's the adult Namor. I say this because in all the press releases about the film, it's been characterized as a film about a &quot;young man&quot; who winds up finding out that he's descended from Atlantean royalty. I don't know how &quot;young&quot; they actually want to go, however, with casting Sub-Mariner. I mean, certainly, the guy isn't ancient, but I believe that if they wanted to make this about somebody who's young, they would want to go with somebody at the very least, 10 or so years younger than Boreanaz. As for you not getting anything royal about him, I couldn't answer that, because I'm unsure of him as an actor. Is there a possiblity, WC, that he's good enough to be able to bring that facet of Namor to life? Or are we talking about an actor that isn't all that good at working at bringing that to life??

By the way, thanks much for that link to that news! Thanks for SHARING! :wink:

I don't know... there's a certain goofiness to Boreanaz, even though he did play a violent (and sometimes arrogant) character in Angel. But he's supposed to be a Gulf War veteran in Bones (turned FBI) and he doesn't come across as that at all. I don't think he has all that much range, and he would sound rather too modern. Someone like Billy Zane, although American as well, has that kind of distinguished feel about him, even in the way he speaks. Boreanaz doesn't have that. And he's too identified with Angel and Bones. He would look just like a guy in a speedo, not Namor.

[Bigkid]

Yeah, I hear what you are saying, WC. I, for one, have seen the Billy Zane thought get thrown out there before, but isn't he, like Boreanaz, getting even MORE &quot;long in the tooth&quot; for this role? Granted, he's probably a better actor than Boreanaz is (although I can't say that for certain, I've never followed the guy's career), but I would think that Billy Zane would've been good for the role had Universal made this flick back in the early part of this century. It's taking so long to get it made, that I think the Billy Zane ship has probably sailed at this point.

We also have to remember something else: Not too many t.v. stars have been able to leap from the small screen to become BIG TIME stars on the BIG screen. There are exceptions to the rule, however (Bruce Willis, Kathleen Turner, hell, even James Garner), but I'm reserved on the topic of Boreanaz simply because I've never really seen the guy act before. Also, if you are saying that you don't buy him in his role on Bones, the question then has to be asked: Is he good enough to pull off The Scourge of the Seven Seas?? But his audition was also said to be something of a rumor, anyway, that we should all take with a, &quot;grain of salt.&quot;

[Kristian36]

I think Timothy Olyphant would be a great call, he has a swimmers backround and almost looks like Namor.

-K

[Bigkid]

I think Timothy Olyphant would be a great call, he has a swimmers backround and almost looks like Namor.

-K

KRISTIAN!
You know, the funny thing is, I thought, way back when, about a year or so ago, that Tim Olyphant would make a great Tony Stark/Iron Man. As much as I like him (I thought he was terrific on Deadwood), I never thought about him being cast as Namor. I've opined that I thought The Rock, Hugh Jackman, Karl Urban, Jim Caviezal.......all would be excellent choices for Namor...... lately I've even thrown out Gerard Butler's name for the lead role of The Avenging Son........Olyphant might be another name to take a look at, however. He's certainly got the acting chops to be able to pull royalty.....although, the rumors, from what I've read on the 'net, are stating that Namor is not going to be portrayed in the film as the Prince of Atlantis from the start........but that by a series of events, he finds out that he is directly descended from Atlantean Royalty.....and that he is the key in a brewing war between the surface world &amp; Atlantis. The possiblities of Olyphant being cast as Sub-Mariner are right up there, I guess, with just about every name that can be tossed around out there. I just think that he'd probably have to seriously hit the gym to get into the dominating physical presence that is The Sub-Mariner. But as good a choice as I've seen, Kristin! 8)

[Bigkid]

Kevin Feige reported on Wed. that Jonathan Mostow (who directed the last Terminator film, is doing a re-write on the Sub-Mariner script that David Self wrote some years back. Mostow was said, already, to be attached to direct it, but now Feige is saying that &quot;Mostow is doing a re-write of the script with the &quot;intention&quot; of directing it.........&quot; I don't know. Whenever I see a word such as &quot;intention&quot; or something like that, I get the feeling that it's not set in stone that he's actually committed to directing. If he winds up not directing it, this'll be the 2nd time that a director has opted out of doing the job (Chris Columbus was the first one), which makes me start to get nervous again. But, then again, this is what &quot;development hell&quot; is all about, I suppose.......this project was supposed to have been released THIS YEAR, by the way. Now they are saying more like 2009. AAAARRRGGHHH! :evil: Really get's me riled up, that they can't get it together on this project.......one, by the way, that if it hadn't been for the existence of this character, you could quite possibly make the argument that Marvel may never have made it.....for it was Sub-Mariner and the Original Human Torch that put Marvel on the map, way back in 1939.......Capt. America came in 2 years after.

[Bigkid]

It's been quite awhile now, since ANYBODY has posted in this, my favorite topic. So I just thought I'd bring in ANOTHER casting idea: Has anybody seen the film, &quot;John Tucker must die.&quot; (?) When I saw the film, I thought that the guy who played the title character (Jesse Metcalf), might actually make a pretty good Namor. His physical presence is there, he's not a bad actor, actually, and if Jonathan Mostow IS going to direct this, he might get a really terrific performance out of him. What do you all think? Anybody think that Metcalf would be a good (or, hey, BAD), choice??

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[Bigkid]

Many thanks to Robbo for helping me be able to get back to being able to post my comments. Now if I can only do it for ALL the other forums as well! Although Robbo DID send me some information as to how to post, so I'll have to take a gander at that information again.

By the by, anyone care to comment on my latest thought for who should play Namor (Jesse Metcalf, he of "John Tucker Must Die"), fame? Maybe they could do him as the YOUNG Sub-Mariner, and then taking him over as the OLDER Namor could be..................... hmmmm.......ANYBODY want to insert a name here?? Please ........SHARE!