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Bigkid

03-08-2004, 12:55 PM

WOW! I'm amazed! This topic got to 200 posts!! YEAHHH!!! Thanks to everyone who has kept this baby going, it really is fun to see all the responses! Even the response from bottlehead about Kevin Bacon! Very entertaining! WELSHY... C'MOOON! I just KNOW that you secretely want your old school chum to get the role! LOL! "But, seriously, folks....." no, I think that Caviezal and Phoenix have very good qualities to land this role. But, we are all forgetting something here: What if they decide to go for an UNKNOWN, a la Hugh Jackman, or Eric Bana, when they got the roles that they got for Wolverine in "X-Men", and Bruce Banner in "The Hulk", respectively? I'm keeping my eyes open for any sort of "darkhorse" that starts popping up in films for the next year or so, because I don't want to start hearing all these internet rumors, getting my hopes up, and then hearing about someone I never HEARD of getting the coveted role. I've learned that I've got to start keeping more of an open mind on casting these C2F's than before, just to avert disappointment. EXCEPT for casting Michael Clarke Duncan as Ben Grimm..... that I can't keep an open mind about! How about the rest of you? Do you think that an unknown is out there (hopefully, from somewhere OTHER than Australia), that might get the role? Please...... SHARE!

03-08-2004, 02:27 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Bigkid:
WOW! WELSHY... C'MOOON! I just KNOW that you secretely want your old school chum to get the role! LOL! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Now look here, Mr Kid, if people from my school wanted Jude Law as Namor, we might as well have made a home video of a swimming lesson he took part in. Heck, someone could've released that ages ago, marketed as being in a "Blair Witch" style. Just add a few other scenes and a double, a la "Bowfinger", and this thread wouldn't be casting speculation but a review of the film instead. Of course, it might've ruined his career upon release.

What if they decide to go for an UNKNOWN, a la Hugh Jackman, or Eric Bana, when they got the roles that they got for Wolverine in "X-Men", and Bruce Banner in "The Hulk", respectively? I'm keeping my eyes open for any sort of "darkhorse" that starts popping up in films for the next year or so, because I don't want to start hearing all these internet rumors, getting my hopes up, and then hearing about someone I never HEARD of getting the coveted role. I've learned that I've got to start keeping more of an open mind on casting these C2F's than before, just to avert disappointment. EXCEPT for casting Michael Clarke Duncan as Ben Grimm..... that I can't keep an open mind about! How about the rest of you? Do you think that an unknown is out there (hopefully, from somewhere OTHER than Australia), that might get the role? Please...... SHARE!

I wouldn't mind at all if Namor was played by an unknown - as long as he is charismatic enough in the lead - Eric Bana was rather bland, unfortunately. But people went to see that movie for the Hulk, not Banner. With Namor, it's quite different - no transformations to rely on.

So I take it you're keeping an open mind about Michael Clark Duncan as Namorita?

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Bigkid

03-09-2004, 12:17 AM

MR. CAT!
Would you know of any actor from the U.K. that is NOT known here in the U.S. that might be thought of for this role?
OH......as for MCD being in line for consideration of the Namorita role...... I don't think that she's going to be making her way into this film in the FIRST place. But if they do....... I'm open to the "possibilities", sure! wink wink!!

bottleHeD

03-09-2004, 06:28 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Bigkid:
WOW! I'm amazed! This topic got to 200 posts!! YEAHHH!!! Thanks to everyone who has kept this baby going, it really is fun to see all the responses! Even the response from bottlehead about Kevin Bacon! Very entertaining! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thank you, just doing my bit to keep things lively...

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Bigkid

03-09-2004, 12:34 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by bottleHeD:
 Thank you, just doing my bit to keep things lively...

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Mr. HEAD!
.... and lively they are! Thanks for that! And, hey, by the way: I wouldn't mind maybe seeing Kevin Bacon IN this film in some capacity, anyway. I think the guy is a very underrated actor. I could possibly see them casting him as maybe Namor's villainous cousin Byrrah, or maybe even his human father, sea captain Leonard McKenzie. Might be able to work. What say you all? SHARE!

MarvelKid18

03-13-2004, 07:10 PM

I could see him as McKenzie...

bottleHeD

03-14-2004, 03:32 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Bigkid:
Mr. HEAD!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Mr, Kid! I'm a bit sensitive about the name.. it "hed". Head is some guy from Korn, and i dont like korn... http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/smile.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Bigkid:
.... and lively they are! Thanks for that! And, hey, by the way: I wouldn't mind maybe seeing Kevin Bacon IN this film in some capacity, anyway. I think the guy is a very underrated actor. I could possibly see them casting him as maybe Namor's villainous cousin Byrrah, or maybe even his human father, sea captain Leonard McKenzie. Might be able to work. What say you all? SHARE!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

About Namor, i'm wondering, is he essentially good or bad? What would it be like in the movie? Is he gonna be portrayed as trying to take over the world, or maybe a good guy trying to clear up some misunderstanding? Sorta Hulkish?

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Bigkid

03-15-2004, 01:35 PM

Well, as far as I know, given the things that I've read about the film (most of that info. coming from THESE pages), I am hearing that it's been described as a "Star Wars underwater". Storyline wise, I would imagine that they are going to take the elements from the comic, and make him more of an "anti-hero", as opposed to a "super hero". In a press paragraph about the film, it states that the film "Namor: The Sub-Mariner.... follows the adventures of Prince Namor, a half man, half amphibious creature from the lost city of Atlantis. A troubled rebel with a short temper, Namor has both helped and fought against the surface world, when his underwater city was polluted by waste. THIS TIME....... he has been pushed TOO FAR". So you wonder just how much of a balance is going to be struck between him helping out humanity and fighting it.

03-15-2004, 02:16 PM

I wonder if it might be established that Namor is a long-lost descendant of the Lone Ranger? I also wonder if Patrick Duffy might cameo in this movie as The Man From Atlantis, a fellow rival of Namor?

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Bigkid

03-15-2004, 09:02 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Welshcat:
I wonder if it might be established that Namor is a long-lost descendant of the Lone Ranger? I also wonder if Patrick Duffy might cameo in this movie as The Man From Atlantis, a fellow rival of Namor?

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I'm surprised that you didn't use that "winking" icon when saying this, WELSHY!
By the way: You're one of those "finger on the pulse" type of guy's....... do you have ANY sort of new news on this project? SHARE!

03-16-2004, 01:18 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Bigkid:
 I'm surprised that you didn't use that "winking" icon when saying this, WELSHY!
By the way: You're one of those "finger on the pulse" type of guy's....... do you have ANY sort of new news on this project? SHARE!

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That's because I'm serious about this! If Green Hornet can be linked to the Lone Ranger, why not Namor? Maybe even the William Tell Overture while Namor swims to the rescue of a fair damsel in distress? He could even be riding his trusty sea horse! And why not throw in the Man from Atlantis? After all, George Lazenby cameoed as James Bond in Return of the Men from Uncle.

I have no news other than this, sadly.

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Bigkid

03-17-2004, 12:00 AM

AHHH, WELSHY MUH-BOY! Back to your old wicked ways of humour, are we not?? Notice that I used the U.K. way of spelling "humour"? In your honor, Mr.Cat!

Too bad that you have no news, but I did read the latest "Page one, Panel one" just now about The Fantastic Four AND The Sub-Mariner. Not much there, but it was very well written. They did say that David Self has gotten a Producers credit on this, which will give him a lot more say on what stays in his screenplay. So that's good to know, Mr. Self is a big comic fan from what I've read, and that specifically he was a BIG fan of Marvel comics, so I'm sure that he's a Namor fan, due also to the fact that he is a big time scuba diver, and his Father is a Marine Biologist. Nice! He's going to bring Atlantis to life like NO OTHER writer could......plus I'm sure he knows The Sub-Mariner very well. Can't wait!

Bigkid

03-24-2004, 08:02 AM

Another word on this film is that they want to go for a "hard, sci-fi feel". Even though they've already described it as a "Star Wars underwater", what could this statement mean? I'm beginning to think that what they mean is, is that they are going to spend a LOOOONG time in the undersea kingdom of Atlantis BEFORE alowing Namor to go to the surface world and wreak havoc. Maybe spend the first 45 minutes to an hour underwater, and then allow for him to go to the surface. This way, to show the differences of the two worlds, so that when we see how Namor reacts to his surroundings on the surface world, we can see just how much a "fish out of water" he really becomes (I know, I know, I can hear the GROANS all the way from the U.K. on that LAST one)!

Anyone have any thoughts on this? Please........ SHARE!

Bigkid

04-05-2004, 04:47 PM

I've read one of today's stories, about how Fantastic Four has a director on board (but they won't be saying WHOM till tomorrow), and about Spider-Man 3..... but Avi Arad made comment about the most challenging project for them is going to be Sub-Mariner. He said it's because it's a whole new world that they will be exploring, and that David Self has written a terrific screenplay, but that it's going to be like when Jurassic Park was made...... a world that was fantastic, but very challenging to bring to life. I'm digging the new information that we are getting on my fav Marvel character, it's exciting! Of course,the name of this thread is "Sub-Mariner casting, Part 2".... so this really dosen't do anything for it, does it? I mean, I don't have any information that can shed the light as to who's going to be actually PORTRAYING Namor, don't I?? Oh, well, it's fun to talk about it anyway! Any other thoughts?? SHARE!

04-05-2004, 07:20 PM

Well, just as long as it isn't anyone as bland as Eric Bana in the lead role. Bana was really quite charisma-less, especially compared to Bill Bixby. Namor needs someone who will make people actually care about the character, especially since he is often seen as an anti-hero. Otherwise he will just come off as unlikeable.

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Bigkid

04-06-2004, 12:15 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Welshcat:
Well, just as long as it isn't anyone as bland as Eric Bana in the lead role. Bana was really quite charisma-less, especially compared to Bill Bixby. Namor needs someone who will make people actually care about the character, especially since he is often seen as an anti-hero. Otherwise he will just come off as unlikeable.

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WELSHY!
Yes, I totally agree. I kinda like the thought of Jim Caviezal, now that I think about it more and more. I think he could bring about a MOST charasmatic Namor. He's shown a wide acting range so far in the few films that I've seen him in, most recently in "The Passion of the Christ". A nice disappearing job from Mr. C. So it would be interesting to see him disappear into the sea in THIS role. I do also like the idea of Joaquin Phoenix as well........ I think he bears quite the resemblance to Sub-Mariner and has the chops to pull the part off, but I'm becoming more and more at ease with Caviezal as Namor.

04-06-2004, 02:21 PM

And that charismatic actor for Namor should be none other than.... Patrick Duffy! http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/biggrin.gif

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Bigkid

04-06-2004, 03:10 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Welshcat:
And that charismatic actor for Namor should be none other than.... Patrick Duffy! http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/biggrin.gif

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As the late Jackie Gleason would've said...

"OHHH, you're a ......REGULAAAR RIIIOT"!!

But, seriously, WELSHY...... what are YOU'RE thoughts on Jim Caviezal being Namor?
SHHHHAAAAAARE!!

04-06-2004, 03:28 PM

Well, Caviezel as Namor might not be bad, but I just suggested him as a potential Tony Stark in the Iron Man forum which no-one ever visits these days! http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/frown.gif

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Bigkid

04-07-2004, 12:51 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Welshcat:
Well, Caviezel as Namor might not be bad, but I just suggested him as a potential Tony Stark in the Iron Man forum which no-one ever visits these days! http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/frown.gif

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Well, maybe I should stop on over there, then, and put in my 2 pieces! As for Namor, I think he'd be a much more suitable pick for HIM, really because I think (as the STAX report pointed out rather nicely), he does have this sort of "other worldy" type of look to him. So I've been digging that pick ever since I read about him for it, as put forth in the STAX Sub-Mariner, special addition article.

04-07-2004, 04:27 PM

If Patrick Duffy is Namor, then Victoria Principal can be Namorita. No wait, that would be incestuous - his wife as his cousin. How about Charlene Tilton (Lucy Ewing) as Namorita - ok, she's got a bit of a fat bum... and maybe fat in a few other places, but she fits the role better than Pammy. And while we're keeping it a family affair, Barbara Bel Gedes can be Namora. Sure, she's a bit old and frail, but who cares?

Larry Hagman as Attuma, anyone?

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Bigkid

04-07-2004, 04:46 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Welshcat:
If Patrick Duffy is Namor, then Victoria Principal can be Namorita. No wait, that would be incestuous - his wife as his cousin. How about Charlene Tilton (Lucy Ewing) as Namorita - ok, she's got a bit of a fat bum... and maybe fat in a few other places, but she fits the role better than Pammy. And while we're keeping it a family affair, Barbara Bel Gedes can be Namora. Sure, she's a bit old and frail, but who cares?

Larry Hagman as Attuma, anyone?

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Unfortunately, Barbara Bel Gedes is no longer with us, but I LIKE the other choices! Maybe Hagman could play Namor's wizened old emperor Grandfather, Thakkor. That would be a better fit!

Bigkid

04-26-2004, 11:02 PM

..... apparently, according to what it says over at Dark Horizons, that The Rock is attached, and that Kevin Misher is producing, which we all knew. Now, even though they say Rock is attached, does that mean that he's a done deal to play Namor? That is the question...... anytime I read these things I never quite understand if it means that just because he's attached that he's actually SIGNED to play the role. Anybody else have any insight into this sort of thing? Please.....SHARE!

MarcoPolo

04-27-2004, 09:26 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Bigkid:
..... apparently, according to what it says over at Dark Horizons, that The Rock is attached, and that Kevin Misher is producing, which we all knew. Now, even though they say Rock is attached, does that mean that he's a done deal to play Namor? That is the question...... anytime I read these things I never quite understand if it means that just because he's attached that he's actually SIGNED to play the role. Anybody else have any insight into this sort of thing? Please.....SHARE!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yup, I was thinking the same thing. Maybe the Rock will be be playing the part of the films villian? He has the bad guy routine down pat and has the look for the part so you never know? Personally I wouldn't mind it if he played Namour, but in the comics we all know that the Submariner should have fair skin, black hair, have a very ripped build and weight about 190lbs.

imported_Robbo

04-27-2004, 09:35 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Bigkid:
Now, even though they say Rock is attached, does that mean that he's a done deal to play Namor?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

"Attached" simply means that the actor has a loose commitment to play the part. It is by no means a done deal that the actor will ultimately sign on for the part.

Basically, think of it like the actor and the producer (or studio or whoever) have talked and both agreed they want it to happen. Then, if all the other hurdles are cleared (getting a good script done, getting a director on board, getting the script done again, getting the studio to go forward with the movie, getting the script done, agreeing to a contract for the actor, etc) the agreement would be formalized and the actor would be signed or committed.

So, certainly Rock is NOT a done deal for this movie. IF he is truly attached (which could be b.s. -- you never can tell the way rumors swim around the net) I would say it's most likely he's up for the lead role.

Frankly, I like the casting. Rock impressed me in "The Rundown" and would probably make a cool Namor.

MarcoPolo

04-27-2004, 09:51 AM

...And this is one superhero flick where you can't hide the heroes body under a leather jacket, or give him rubber muscles built into his costume. He's in a green speedo all the time, and he'd have to be jacked from swimming his whole life.

04-27-2004, 10:18 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by MarcoPolo:
...And this is one superhero flick where you can't hide the heroes body under a leather jacket, or give him rubber muscles built into his costume. He's in a green speedo all the time, and he'd have to be jacked from swimming his whole life.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually, if he is in his Village People black leather/rubber outfit with the underarm wings, as featured most recently on the Marvel Legends version of Namor, then he could have the muscles built into the suit. That way, BigKid's Number 1 choice of Matt Damon could finally get the role. They might just go with that costume seeing as it seems the green speedos might not be too popular judging from from the action figure.

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Bigkid

04-27-2004, 12:15 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Robbo:
 "Attached" simply means that the actor has a loose commitment to play the part. It is by no means a done deal that the actor will ultimately sign on for the part.

Basically, think of it like the actor and the producer (or studio or whoever) have talked and both agreed they want it to happen. Then, if all the other hurdles are cleared (getting a good script done, getting a director on board, getting the script done again, getting the studio to go forward with the movie, getting the script done, agreeing to a contract for the actor, etc) the agreement would be formalized and the actor would be signed or committed.

So, certainly Rock is NOT a done deal for this movie. IF he is truly attached (which could be b.s. -- you never can tell the way rumors swim around the net) I would say it's most likely he's up for the lead role.

Frankly, I like the casting. Rock impressed me in "The Rundown" and would probably make a cool Namor.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

ROBBO!
Yes, I agree with you: I did like the casting, but more so from the business stand point of it all. I've no problem with the fact that Namor would be being played by a black actor. Build wise, charisma wise, I think he'd be a good fit. I've often said in the past that I wouldn't mind seeing someone like Jim Caviezal in the role, or Hugh Jackman. But the thing is, this is a little known Marvel character, even though he's been around 65 years. If Universal commits the amount of money it's going to need in order to bring this film to life, they are probably going to need an action type star to open the film up to good weekend numbers. I do agree with you about his work in "The Rundown". I was impressed myself; I thought he acted pretty well. I haven't seen the re-do of "Walking Tall" as yet, but I think he's got what it takes to become a major film star. From the business standpoint, I think it'd make sense to let him bring Namor to life. That is, unless, an up and comer like, say, Caviezal, isn't brought aboard first. Then, definately, think of a plan "B" and bring Rock in.

Bigkid

04-27-2004, 12:24 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by MarcoPolo:
Yup, I was thinking the same thing. Maybe the Rock will be be playing the part of the films villian? He has the bad guy routine down pat and has the look for the part so you never know? Personally I wouldn't mind it if he played Namour, but in the comics we all know that the Submariner should have fair skin, black hair, have a very ripped build and weight about 190lbs. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

MARCO!
Actually, I agree with what Robbo was saying: I wouldn't mind seeing The Rock AS Namor. Yes, it's true that in the comics he was white, with black hair, but for the film, they could easily have a light-skinned black actor play him. Reason being, is you could make the argument that because Atlanteans may have probably been descended from lots of DIFFERENT ethnicities of HUMANS, then you can make the case that Namor's father (or descendent's of his human father), were black, or had black in their ancestory. Lot's of people have suggested in the past some Asian actors be cast in the role of Namor, and the same reason could be very viable for that as well. Atlanteans were basically humans that had to adapt to become part amphibious once Atlantis was sunk to the bottome of the sea (by some act of God, whatever that was). And as for Sub-Mariner's build? I think that Rock actually has the build right now for the part. Namor is, in actuality, supposed to be more like 300lbs. of muscle. If you look at Sub-Mariner #1, the cover from the 1967 comic, he looks to be a LOT bigger than the 190 or so that you suggested. His body type can be suggested because not only is he swimming all the time, but his body has to be able to withstand the crushing depths of the ocean floor.

Bigkid

04-27-2004, 12:26 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Welshcat:
 Actually, if he is in his Village People black leather/rubber outfit with the underarm wings, as featured most recently on the Marvel Legends version of Namor, then he could have the muscles built into the suit. That way, BigKid's Number 1 choice of Matt Damon could finally get the role. They might just go with that costume seeing as it seems the green speedos might not be too popular judging from from the action figure.

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WELSHY!
Don't .......EVEN.... say that about Matt Damon in jest!

Bigkid

04-27-2004, 12:29 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by MarcoPolo:
...And this is one superhero flick where you can't hide the heroes body under a leather jacket, or give him rubber muscles built into his costume. He's in a green speedo all the time, and he'd have to be jacked from swimming his whole life.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, I agree with that, but something else to consider, however: The writer of this film might decide to do something like, have an ancient Atalantean battle garb be put on Namor for his battle sequences, or have him in some sort of outfit that befits an Atlantean Prince. You never know......they might find the whole "speedo" thing a little too much.

MarcoPolo

04-27-2004, 02:16 PM

Hahahahha!...Boy you would think that I said I didn't want the Rock to play him, from all the hits. The truth is that I said I wouldn't mind seeing him as Namor. I am a fan who would rather see perfect casting as well as respect to the original stories. I understand that many Ideas from comic books don't translate well to screen, ie: Namor being able to fly with his little ankle wings, but things like Micheal Clak Duncan playing the overweight Businessman "The Kingpin" in the dreadfull "Daredevil" I cannot justify. I would prefer to see Caviezal in the role myself, but would be just as happy with th Rock. I look at it this way, I always said that Angela Basset should have played Storm in X-Men but I was still happy with Halle Barrie, It's just a preference.

MarcoPolo

04-27-2004, 02:22 PM

And as far as skin tone goes, the Atlantian folk live in the depths of the ocean where the sun does not reach. So the fact that they are portrayed as pale skinned makes sense no?

04-27-2004, 02:33 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by MarcoPolo:
Hahahahha!...Boy you would think that I said I didn't want the Rock to play him, from all the hits. The truth is that I said I wouldn't mind seeing him as Namor. I am a fan who would rather see perfect casting as well as respect to the original stories. I understand that many Ideas from comic books don't translate well to screen, ie: Namor being able to fly with his little ankle wings, but things like Micheal Clak Duncan playing the overweight Businessman "The Kingpin" in the dreadfull "Daredevil" I cannot justify. I would prefer to see Caviezal in the role myself, but would be just as happy with th Rock. I look at it this way, I always said that Angela Basset should have played Storm in X-Men but I was still happy with Halle Barrie, It's just a preference.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Do you think Michael Clark Duncan could cut it as Namor, complete with ankle wings and green speedos? Which would be worse? MCD as Namor or MCD as Namorita?

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MarcoPolo

04-27-2004, 02:45 PM

LoL! I choose neither, sheerly on the fact that most black folk can't swim and it just wouldn't be feasible(Totally a joke, so no need for any stereotyping speech).

Winterhawk

04-27-2004, 04:28 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Bigkid:
Actually, I agree with what Robbo was saying: I wouldn't mind seeing The Rock AS Namor. Yes, it's true that in the comics he was white, with black hair, but for the film, they could easily have a light-skinned black actor play him. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I always thought the Rock was Samoan, Are you sure he is african american?
Either way he would make a great Namor.

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Kwick22a

04-27-2004, 05:13 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Winterhawk:
 I always thought the Rock was Samoan, Are you sure he is african american?
Either way he would make a great Namor.

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The Rock is half African American on his father's side, and half Samoan on his mother's side.

Bigkid

04-28-2004, 01:55 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by MarcoPolo:
And as far as skin tone goes, the Atlantian folk live in the depths of the ocean where the sun does not reach. So the fact that they are portrayed as pale skinned makes sense no?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Atlanteans have always been portrayed in the Marvel comics as being blue-skinned, actually. But what you say, I guess, yes, does sorta make some sense. I wasn't taking hits at you, by the way..... not at all. I think you and I are actually in agreement on the casting thoughts here.

Bigkid

04-28-2004, 01:59 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Kwick22a:
The Rock is half African American on his father's side, and half Samoan on his mother's side.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

KWICKSTER!
Which could make perfect sense in casting, if you think about it. The fact that maybe Atlanteans were a little bit of EVERYTHING around the globe: Asian, Samoan, some Africans, maybe some Eskimos, plus some white cultures thrown around, who knows? But it could be an interesting plot device in order to be able to bring Sub-Mariner to life if they are indeed to portray The Avenging Son with Dwayne (The Rock) Johnson in the lead.

CoolManWells

04-28-2004, 01:09 PM

Movies.com's buzzbin is saying that the rock is rumored to play Namor, which is awesome. the part is perfect for him. im sick of people casting him to do emotional parts such as walking tall and somewhat the scorpion king. Namor doesn't have much of a personality, which works out for ol' rocky. also, he's got the look. finally, a charcter perfect for a pro-wrestler. never thought we'd have such a problem, but now that we do, at least we got it fixed.

MarcoPolo

04-28-2004, 02:38 PM

04-28-2004, 02:48 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by MarcoPolo:
The "Scorpion King" and "Walking Tall" were Emotional??? I'll admit that The Rock turned in a good performance in walking tall and kept it pretty seriouse,but you can hardly call it an emotional movie. His film credits include ONLY action movies actually, so I don't know where your sentiments are coming from.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I thought they were Merchant Ivory period dramas.

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imported_Robbo

04-28-2004, 04:48 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Welshcat:
I thought they were Merchant Ivory period dramas. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Goddammit, Welshie. You stole my line.

OK, how about this:

"Walking Tall" was the "Lost in Translation" of the guy-hitting-crap-with-a-big-stick genre.

MarcoPolo

04-29-2004, 09:01 AM

O.K, I can dig it!

Bigkid

05-01-2004, 03:47 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by CoolManWells:
Movies.com's buzzbin is saying that the rock is rumored to play Namor, which is awesome. the part is perfect for him. im sick of people casting him to do emotional parts such as walking tall and somewhat the scorpion king. Namor doesn't have much of a personality, which works out for ol' rocky. also, he's got the look. finally, a charcter perfect for a pro-wrestler. never thought we'd have such a problem, but now that we do, at least we got it fixed.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

COOLMAN!
The reason that I've always maintained that I think it's not such a bad idea to cast Rock in the part, is because he's
A): Box office......gives this little known comic title instant audience.
B): Rock's ability to play nobility...... granted, he's never going to be confused with Sidney Poitier or Denzel Washington, but in his last film before this one, "The Rundown" I liked him a lot in it. I thought he handled himself well in a cast that included Christopher Walken. I thought he managed to handled himself well in his scenes with Walken, not letting him walk away with the scene. But in "The Scorpion King", and in "The Mummy Returns", he was able to perform admirably as the "Warrior/King", which Namor most definately IS. For you to say that Namor dosen't have a personality, is hard for me to understand. I would agree, that the character of Sub-Mariner is VERY self-centered and he has a HUGE ego......but he is EXTREMELY noble and a leader amongst leaders. For that reason, I think The Rock could do just fine in the role. However, I wouldn't feel that if he WASN'T cast in the role, that they made a mistake. My guess is, is that it depends on WHO they bring in as Director for this film....... if they were to bring in someone, let's say, like Ridley Scott, I would have to think that Scott's going to want more than just an ACTION film star. I'm sure that he'll want someone who is either a COMPLETE unknown, or someone who's star is on the rise (i.e., Jim Caviezal, who we all know I've stated that I wouldn't mind seeing him get the role). Or maybe even Joquin Phoenix, who some of you on the other threads where this topic is concerned have stated that you think would be a good choice. Remember: Scott directed him in "Gladiator". But, again, it all depends who they tab as director.

05-01-2004, 09:21 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Bigkid:
he's never going to be confused with Sidney Poitier or Denzel Washington, <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

What are you talking about? The year Halle Berry won, the Rock won an Oscar for Training Day, a docu-drama about his preparation for the wrestling ring.

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Bigkid

05-01-2004, 11:07 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Welshcat:
 What are you talking about? The year Halle Berry won, the Rock won an Oscar for Training Day, a docu-drama about his preparation for the wrestling ring.

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AHHHH, WELSHY, ME BOY!
And was Michael Clarke Duncan ALSO nominated for a Supporting Actor Oscar for the same film?

05-02-2004, 11:11 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Bigkid:
 AHHHH, WELSHY, ME BOY!
And was Michael Clarke Duncan ALSO nominated for a Supporting Actor Oscar for the same film?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That was the film also with Kelly Hu, right?

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MarcoPolo

05-03-2004, 09:32 AM

I can tell you right now BigKid, that Joquin Phoenix would make a horrible physical match for Namor. You've obviously never seen him with his shirt off, he has a pretty bad deformity of the shoulders (No kidding). His shoulders protrude forward and in turn give him a concave chest, this is why he always appears to be slouching in his films. Normally I could give a damn about this, but Namor is a superhero who will, most likely be shirtless form the greater part of the film, and let's not forget that he's supposed to look muscular and that Joquin isn't. Please don't argue this as it is a fact.

05-03-2004, 02:52 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by MarcoPolo:
I can tell you right now BigKid, that Joquin Phoenix would make a horrible physical match for Namor. You've obviously never seen him with his shirt off, he has a pretty bad deformity of the shoulders (No kidding). His shoulders protrude forward and in turn give him a concave chest, this is why he always appears to be slouching in his films. Normally I could give a damn about this, but Namor is a superhero who will, most likely be shirtless form the greater part of the film, and let's not forget that he's supposed to look muscular and that Joquin isn't. Please don't argue this as it is a fact. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree. He's certainly not on par with Matt Damon as Namor! http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/biggrin.gif

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Bigkid

05-03-2004, 05:32 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Welshcat:
 I agree. He's certainly not on par with Matt Damon as Namor! http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/biggrin.gif

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ALLLLL RIGHT, WELSHY!

Let's just "ixnay" on the "AMON day" ....."A-K"??

Bigkid

05-03-2004, 05:37 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by MarcoPolo:
I can tell you right now BigKid, that Joquin Phoenix would make a horrible physical match for Namor. You've obviously never seen him with his shirt off, he has a pretty bad deformity of the shoulders (No kidding). His shoulders protrude forward and in turn give him a concave chest, this is why he always appears to be slouching in his films. Normally I could give a damn about this, but Namor is a superhero who will, most likely be shirtless form the greater part of the film, and let's not forget that he's supposed to look muscular and that Joquin isn't. Please don't argue this as it is a fact. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

MP!
Really? This is a fact, huh? Hmmmm..... I never knew about this, to be honest. Then I stand corrected. I've never seen him in anything in which he WAS shirtless, now come to think of it, but if this is a trueism, then I would have to then say that I agree with you. I still think that either a buffed out Jim Caviezal or Hugh Jackman would make the grade. EVEN THOUGH.... I still wouldn't think it a bad choice to take "Rock" Johnson.

MarcoPolo

05-04-2004, 10:05 AM

I would like to nominate Collin Farrel for the role, I watched Minority Report again last night, and it hit me. He's a good actor he could get pretty buffed I'm sure and he's got the look and proper hair color. He would maybe go for the role as he appears to have a taste for comic book characters (Bullseye). And he doesn't have any trouble hiding his Irish accent so I don't think that would be a problem either. What says you?

Bigkid

05-04-2004, 11:25 AM

I,too, like Collin Farrel as well. But for the role of Namor....... I'm not sure. One of the thing's is, is that Farrel dosen't have that sort of "other worldly" type look to him. He dosen't stand out as having any sort of alienish type look. I know that make-up and hair COULD be then thrown into it, but where actors like Caviezal and Jackman are concerned, they seem to have this quality that would make it believeable. Don't get me wrong, I like Farrel, and he has a great ability to convey tempest and anger throughout a film, but for Namor........ I don't know....... I think my jury would probably still be out on that casting if indeed they went that way, until I got a chance to actually see him in the role. Being that this film is being targeted for an '06 release, I guess it's just a matter of throwing about ideas from here, now!

05-24-2004, 12:35 PM

I was thinking that if Ben Grimm were to get his own musical numbers by Sachmo in a FF movie, that perhaps Namor could get some as well so he wouldn't feel left out. One song which could work really well is the Bobby Darin song "Somewhere beyond the Sea". Now, that song is based on the French song "La Mer". All one has to do is substitute "La Mer" for "Namor" and we have the Namor movie theme song. It fits quite well, don't you think?

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Bigkid

05-24-2004, 08:59 PM

HMMMMMMMM............ YOU KNOW SOMETHING, WELSHY...........
no.
Sorry, that wouldn't work!

Actually, that was quite funny, I liked that!
That song could fit in QUITE WELL for a Sub-Mariner flick!

Meowww!! The clowns are here!

05-25-2004, 08:18 AM

Ok. How about this Dean Martin song reworded for the pre-cursor to Nita?

When her fist hits your eye like a big pizza pie, that's Namora! http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/biggrin.gif

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Bigkid

05-25-2004, 11:24 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Welshcat:
Ok. How about this Dean Martin song reworded for the pre-cursor to Nita?

When her fist hits your eye like a big pizza pie, that's Namora! http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/biggrin.gif

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WELSHY!
That's assuming that Namora (or did you mean NamorITA)? That's assuming that they write that part into the film. If they do..... I'd LOVE that! They could have Tony Bennet re-work that version, you know?! Young people seem to dig Tony to this day, so, yeah, I think that could work!

(By the way, does ANYBODY have ANY way of knowing if there is a possible way to find samples of the script for this movie online or otherwise, anywhere)??

WELSHY, you seem to know quite a lot about LOTS of things, could you suggest a website or something ........SOMEWHERE........ where I could go to and try to find some information about the Sub-Mariner script?? PLEASE........ SHARE??

brokenstatue2001

05-26-2004, 01:53 AM

Bigkid

05-26-2004, 08:53 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by brokenstatue2001:
 Actually, yeah not such a bad idea. The Rock's personality in the ring is kind of like Namor now that I think of it. He does present a sort of nobility when he talks smack.
And if the Rock would play Namor, Rosario Dawson would fit as Namorita. Yeah, it could work.
As far any other characters are concerned, I don't know, all I've read from him are his appearances on Fantastic Four and Captain America.
PS, Namor does have a personality. That being a warrior prince who distrusts the surface world.

[This message has been edited by brokenstatue2001 (edited 05-26-2004).]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

brokenone!
Thanks for that "p.s." that you threw in there as well! I don't know where one would think that Namor DOSEN'T have a personality, but that certainly is NOT the case. As for Rosario Dawson playing Namorita...... I don't know if that quite works. I don't think that they should cast her in the role simply because The Rock is black also. I think they could STILL cast a white woman in the role (or an Asian, even), in the role, because I believe that they could get away with the fact that Atlanteans are are beings from different cultures from the surface world originally. Because basically, Atlanteans were humans that learned how to adapt to the life of being underwater when Atlantis was sunk some 10 thousand or so years ago. David Self said in an interview once on this topic (when asked who would be cast as Namor), that the cast would be multi-ethnic, so they still weren't quite sure as to who would be cast. My thinking from this statement is that they are going to have lot's of different races and peoples playing Atlanteans. They will all probably be put in blue body paint anyhow; Namor and Namorita were the only 2 Atlanteans that I recall from the comic who were of white skin.
But certainly The Rock and whoever get's cast as Nita (that is, IF she's written into the film in the first place), would not be put into the blue paint.

bottleHeD

05-26-2004, 02:00 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by MarcoPolo:
I can tell you right now BigKid, that Joquin Phoenix would make a horrible physical match for Namor. You've obviously never seen him with his shirt off, he has a pretty bad deformity of the shoulders (No kidding). His shoulders protrude forward and in turn give him a concave chest, this is why he always appears to be slouching in his films. Normally I could give a damn about this, but Namor is a superhero who will, most likely be shirtless form the greater part of the film, and let's not forget that he's supposed to look muscular and that Joquin isn't. Please don't argue this as it is a fact. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

How muscular is Kevin Bacon? Put some ears on him, buff him up a little, and yeah, i can definetely see him as Namor... Unless Nams is a young prince kinda guy...

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brokenstatue2001

05-26-2004, 02:31 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Bigkid:
 As for Rosario Dawson playing Namorita...... I don't know if that quite works. I don't think that they should cast her in the role simply because The Rock is black also. I think they could STILL cast a white woman in the role (or an Asian, even), in the role, because I believe that they could get away with the fact that Atlanteans are are beings from different cultures from the surface world originally. Because basically, Atlanteans were humans that learned how to adapt to the life of being underwater when Atlantis was sunk some 10 thousand or so years ago. David Self said in an interview once on this topic (when asked who would be cast as Namor), that the cast would be multi-ethnic, so they still weren't quite sure as to who would be cast. My thinking from this statement is that they are going to have lot's of different races and peoples playing Atlanteans. They will all probably be put in blue body paint anyhow; Namor and Namorita were the only 2 Atlanteans that I recall from the comic who were of white skin.
But certainly The Rock and whoever get's cast as Nita (that is, IF she's written into the film in the first place), would not be put into the blue paint.

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Namor and Namorita were cousins, it would probably make sense that they would have the same skin color.

Bigkid

05-26-2004, 08:22 PM

Yes, but I know people who are cousins where one is black and the other is white, or one cousin is Asian and the other isn't ........ you know, one side of the family being of a different color or ethnic background. I'm just saying that there could be put into the script a veritable poe-poor-ree of races (sorry, I forgot how to spell that word, I had to write it out phonetically)!

Bigkid

05-26-2004, 08:23 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by bottleHeD:
 How muscular is Kevin Bacon? Put some ears on him, buff him up a little, and yeah, i can definetely see him as Namor... Unless Nams is a young prince kinda guy...

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HAHHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! I like that! You know something......that might be able to work!!

brokenstatue2001

05-30-2004, 01:40 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Bigkid:
Yes, but I know people who are cousins where one is black and the other is white, or one cousin is Asian and the other isn't ........ you know, one side of the family being of a different color or ethnic background. I'm just saying that there could be put into the script a veritable poe-poor-ree of races (sorry, I forgot how to spell that word, I had to write it out phonetically)!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That may be, but they are related by blood, not by marriage, so it would make more sense if they were the same skin color.

Bigkid

05-31-2004, 01:33 PM

Yes, I WAS talking about cousins who are related by blood. Sometimes that can be the case. In any event, my thought about Rosario Dawson, basically, was that I don't think I'd like to see her in the role. I would like to see someone else, even an unknown. I don't even know if they are going to include Namorita in the film, anyway.

Bigkid

06-09-2004, 03:06 PM

I clicked onto that link on today's front page news about Marvel being at the Licensing Show? And in one of the pics, they show, slated for 2006, Namor. The film's (apparent), logo. So this baby seems to be on course, dosen't it?? It so happens that it's being slated for the SAME year that X-3 and Ghost Rider come out. So I'm not sure if that bod's well for The Avenging Son or not. What do you all think? SHARE!

06-14-2004, 01:35 PM

Apparently, Marvel Enterprises are recruiting Chris Columbus for the director's chair for Submariner. See the link below:
http://superherohype.com/index.php?id=1557

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Bigkid

06-14-2004, 01:46 PM

I saw this, and went, "WOW"! If Marvel and Universal are able to DO this, I think this should just about silence the critics of Sub-Mariner working as a film once and for all. I mean, of course, nothing is set and is a sure thing (they DO say that Universal is merely PURSUING him, not that he's been signed), but the "chatter" on this must be serious if it's been reported in VARIETY of all places. I would have thought that a director with a little more of an edge would be a lot better for the project, but if someone of Colombus' pedigree is actually being sought and there's a good chance that they'll get him....... why the hell not?? Namor's my favorite character, and if this get's him to the big screen a lot faster..... what the hell??!

norrinraad

06-14-2004, 03:08 PM

Chris Columbus, eh? I think that's a pretty good choice, actually. Like Bigkid said he is definitely an A-list director so there's every indication that Marvel is taking the Namor film seriously if he's really being pursued. Columbus proved with the Harry Potter films that he can convincingly create an "alternative" world while still having relateable, believable characters, so I can think of far worse choices than him.

And of course, if he's not available there's always George Lucas. I hear his first choice for Namor is still Matt Damon... http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/biggrin.gif

Bigkid

06-14-2004, 05:30 PM

AAAHHHHKK!!! Bite thy TOUNGE, Norinradd!! Something is telling me, now that they've got as you've called him, an "A-list" director that they are seriously pursuing, that they have a script that David Self has probably fashioned a terrific story here with. A up and comer for directing is one thing, but to have his name mentioned that they are going for is quite something else. I've been saying for the longest time, that from little I've been getting from the internet, that the script itself must be something special. If they indeed ARE able to land a director such as this, then those who've for years (not months, YEARS), been saying that this would be an impossible character to bring to the big screen, can now see that ANYTHING is possible, with the help of a really well done screenplay. Self, by the early chatter and now by Columbus' being sought out for this, has proven this to be the case. HOWEVER...... I don't want to get TOO FAR ahead of myself. Not one frame of film has been shot yet, but I can most definately see the reason for excitement.

Bigkid

06-21-2004, 01:05 PM

I just read today's news on the "Namor" front It's saying how an F/X place called CINOVATION maybe doing the work on the upcoming Namor film. It also said (and this was from something that appeared on "Countingdown.com"), that this is the "Chris Colombus helmed feature on the Marvel comic adaptation". So..... does this now completely confirm that CC is DEFINATELY signed on to direct this? Also, does anyone else reading this know what other films that CINOVATIONS has worked on in the past? If anybody knows, PLEASE.......SHARE!

Bigkid

06-22-2004, 10:34 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Bigkid:
I just read today's news on the "Namor" front It's saying how an F/X place called CINOVATION maybe doing the work on the upcoming Namor film. It also said (and this was from something that appeared on "Countingdown.com"), that this is the "Chris Colombus helmed feature on the Marvel comic adaptation". So..... does this now completely confirm that CC is DEFINATELY signed on to direct this? Also, does anyone else reading this know what other films that CINOVATIONS has worked on in the past? If anybody knows, PLEASE.......SHARE!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

UMMMMM..... WELL.........ANYONE?? ANYONE KNOW??

Bigkid

07-05-2004, 02:50 PM

This weekend, I got a bit of inspired casting again. I've said in the past that I thought that maybe Universal might just go for an unknown for the role of Namor: The Sub-Mariner. But I thought of a guy who's most assuredly an up and comer. His name is Karl Urban. Many of you might remember him as King Theoden's (did I spell that right)? nephew Eomer from The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers, and he was also in the final installment of that series, if I'm not incorrect. He's currently in The Chronicles of Riddick, playing Vaaco..... now, because so many of you know that I'm not particularly a big fan of Vin Diesal's, I haven't seen the film. But I've seen commercials and stills from the film, and Urban is unrecognizable as this character. I really liked him in The Two Towers, which I recently watched again on cable this weekend. I felt that this guy commanded the screen everytime he appeared, and gave such an amazing spirit of princely authority and warrior stock, that I immediately thought that HE most certainly could play Namor. What do you all think? I know WELSHY has a lot to say about this, considering this is another actor from the U.K.! Actually, Urban is from New Zealand originally. But that's part of the U.K., isn't it WELSHY?? Any comments on this choice?? Please............SHARE!

Bigkid

07-05-2004, 03:03 PM

I just did one of the NERDIEST things one could do! Well, for me anyway. 'Cause I've never DONE this before...... I went over to the Karl Urban website, and I wrote a message for him, telling him that I thought that he'd be PERFECT for Sub-Mariner! And that he should read up on the comics just in case Universal came-a-callin! Is that NUTS?? GEEEZZZZZZ....... I feel like a 15 year old GIRL right now! YIKES! Oh well..... if the guy get's cast as Namor...... I guess I can say that I had SOME part in that, right?? There's the "face saving grace" of it right there! You heard it hear FIRST everyone!!

MarcoPolo

07-05-2004, 04:23 PM

OMG "Karl Urban" IS The Sub Mariner!!! I just checked out his web site and I totally agree.

Bigkid

07-05-2004, 06:24 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by MarcoPolo:
OMG "Karl Urban" IS The Sub Mariner!!! I just checked out his web site and I totally agree.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

MP!
Why, thank you my friend! I rather thought he was a good choice as well! And the fact that you didn't TOTALLY go off on me for writing him a message, makes me feel even BETTER! Thanks much!

brokenstatue2001

07-06-2004, 12:49 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Bigkid:
I just did one of the NERDIEST things one could do! Well, for me anyway. 'Cause I've never DONE this before...... I went over to the Karl Urban website, and I wrote a message for him, telling him that I thought that he'd be PERFECT for Sub-Mariner! And that he should read up on the comics just in case Universal came-a-callin! Is that NUTS?? GEEEZZZZZZ....... I feel like a 15 year old GIRL right now! YIKES! Oh well..... if the guy get's cast as Namor...... I guess I can say that I had SOME part in that, right?? There's the "face saving grace" of it right there! You heard it hear FIRST everyone!! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You DORK!!!!! (just kidding! http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/wink.gif, http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/tongue.gif))
I still say The Rock would be a better choice.

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Bigkid

07-06-2004, 11:29 AM

Don't get me wrong: I can see and understand why you would think that, oh brokenone! From the business stand point of it, it makes good sense. He's become an out and out action star. But I feel not only that Urban has that look, but he's such a good actor, that this is a film that needs to really think on THAT aspect more so than who or what action star would be a really good box office draw. Take what's going on with the Fantastic Four film. They are casting people in the roles that they feel are absolutely appropriate, even if people are not agreeing with it. In the case of a Sub-Mariner film, it's something that even MORE so you need an actor who's absolutely right for the role of Namor.......because it's based on a comic that, even though it's been around for 65 years, not too many people are aware of it (unless your a WW2 baby or a baby boomer, that read Sub-Mariner comics during the 60's when they brought him back out of mothballs). I'm sure you've seen the LOTR series. If you haven't seen it for a while, check it out again, and watch Urban's performance in The Two Towers, where he makes his first appearance. The scene that I feel REALLY would most capture Namor, is when he and his soldiers surround Aragorn and the elf and dwarf. He SO commands that scene, and gives such a strong performance, that I saw then and there that this guy would make a great Namor. The scene in which he's thrown out of Rohan, where he threatens Wormtounge, is also beautifully done, as well. I think he'd be great in the role.

brokenstatue2001

07-06-2004, 12:28 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Bigkid:
Don't get me wrong: I can see and understand why you would think that, oh brokenone! From the business stand point of it, it makes good sense. He's become an out and out action star. But I feel not only that Urban has that look, but he's such a good actor, that this is a film that needs to really think on THAT aspect more so than who or what action star would be a really good box office draw. Take what's going on with the Fantastic Four film. They are casting people in the roles that they feel are absolutely appropriate, even if people are not agreeing with it. In the case of a Sub-Mariner film, it's something that even MORE so you need an actor who's absolutely right for the role of Namor.......because it's based on a comic that, even though it's been around for 65 years, not too many people are aware of it (unless your a WW2 baby or a baby boomer, that read Sub-Mariner comics during the 60's when they brought him back out of mothballs). I'm sure you've seen the LOTR series. If you haven't seen it for a while, check it out again, and watch Urban's performance in The Two Towers, where he makes his first appearance. The scene that I feel REALLY would most capture Namor, is when he and his soldiers surround Aragorn and the elf and dwarf. He SO commands that scene, and gives such a strong performance, that I saw then and there that this guy would make a great Namor. The scene in which he's thrown out of Rohan, where he threatens Wormtounge, is also beautifully done, as well. I think he'd be great in the role.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, I'm sure that Rocky would be a big box office draw, but I also think that he would be a good fit for the part, too. I think he would play Namor like a cross between his in-ring persona and the Scorpion King. I'm sure if you watched "The Scorpion King" again you would see my point, also, keep in mind that The Rock has grown as an actor since then. As for Urban, well, it's been a couple years since I saw "The Two Towers", so I'm not as familiar as you guys seem to be. (Since "Return of the King", I vowed not to see another "LotR" movie, those movies drag on forever.) But, I might go to Blockbuster after work and check it out, just to see if it will change my mind. But, I doubt it.

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07-06-2004, 12:54 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Bigkid:
Take what's going on with the Fantastic Four film. They are casting people in the roles that they feel are absolutely appropriate, even if people are not agreeing with it. In the case of a Sub-Mariner film, it's something that even MORE so you need an actor who's absolutely right for the role of Namor.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's why Matt Damon would be the best candidate for the part! http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/biggrin.gif He can even recreate those classic battles with Daredevil, fighting his old chum Ben Affleck.

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MarcoPolo

07-06-2004, 03:24 PM

I couldn't disagree with you more on your choice of casting Matt Damon as Namour, Welsh. I don't know what gave you the idea that he fits the profile in any way. He is a great actor and all, but I can't ever see him as The Sub-Mariner.

norrinraad

07-06-2004, 04:46 PM

Matt Damon has been the #1 choice for Namor on these boards for many years! Some of you may have missed the huge C2F promotional campiagn we had back in '97 when we first heard rumours of this movie. Matt Damon embodies Namor better than any actor living, any actor who has lived, and any actor who may someday be born. He is so appropriate for Namor it's almost uncanny. He has always been and will always be our very first choice, especially Bigkid who has threatened to boycott the film if Damon is not cast! http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/tongue.gif http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/wink.gif http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/biggrin.gif

Bigkid

07-06-2004, 08:35 PM

ALL RIGHT!! ALLL RIIGGHHTT, NOWW YOU GUYS!!
YOU CAN JUST KNOCK THAT OFF RIGHT NOW!!

MarcoPolo...... I'm sure you must've picked up by now from Norrinradd's last post that he's been JOSHING with you! And don't worry..... there's NO WAY IN HELL that I've been enamored with Damon to play Namor!!

Bigkid

07-06-2004, 08:40 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by brokenstatue2001:
 Well, I'm sure that Rocky would be a big box office draw, but I also think that he would be a good fit for the part, too. I think he would play Namor like a cross between his in-ring persona and the Scorpion King. I'm sure if you watched "The Scorpion King" again you would see my point, also, keep in mind that The Rock has grown as an actor since then. As for Urban, well, it's been a couple years since I saw "The Two Towers", so I'm not as familiar as you guys seem to be. (Since "Return of the King", I vowed not to see another "LotR" movie, those movies drag on forever.) But, I might go to Blockbuster after work and check it out, just to see if it will change my mind. But, I doubt it.

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I feel like you as well: The Rock HAS grown as an actor, and I feel that he does present that aura of princely nobility very well that would make Namor come to life. But my point is, is that Urban's a much better actor than he, and that because he IS so good, I don't think that people will feel, when they would see him in this role.... "Oh, look! It's Karl Urban"! Whereas people would look at Rock and basically feel that it's the former wrestler. I think from film role to film role Urban has done a great job disappearing into the skin of his characters....... a quality that Rock man just hasn't been able to aquire as yet.

Bigkid

07-06-2004, 08:46 PM

Plus.....let's keep something else in mind here: This film is slated for an '06 release date, and they don't even indicate if this is being thought of as an early year, summer, or Holiday film. A lot can happen in 2 years. Rock might not last as a box office draw in the next couple of years. Urban's stock could go thru the roof, and he might have more demands than, let's say, Sharon Stone to do the film...... or, Rock could become an even huger star than he is NOW, but might not be able to do the film due to scheduling conflicts. OR...... a complete unknown comes out of the woodwork and snatches the role from BOTH of them. There are TOO many variables to think of here....... but I think, actually, it's a good dilemma to have, considering that there were SO many comic fans who felt that this comic should NOT be made into a live action film in the first place! Sub-Mariner's come a long way, baby!

07-06-2004, 09:47 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by MarcoPolo:
I couldn't disagree with you more on your choice of casting Matt Damon as Namour, Welsh. I don't know what gave you the idea that he fits the profile in any way. He is a great actor and all, but I can't ever see him as The Sub-Mariner.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Don't believe what BigKid says about not wanting Namor. He's just being modest, and too shy to admit that it was actually him who first suggested Damon as Namor after seeing him in his green swimming trunks in The Talented Mr Ripley. Why, BigKid even observed that if you reverse Damon, you get Nomad, which is almost an anagram for Namor. So I really can't take credit for that suggestion, but thanks anyway for the disagreement. http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/biggrin.gif

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07-07-2004, 12:53 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Welshcat:
 Don't believe what BigKid says about not wanting Namor. He's just being modest, and too shy to admit that it was actually him who first suggested Damon as Namor after seeing him in his green swimming trunks in The Talented Mr Ripley. Why, BigKid even observed that if you reverse Damon, you get Nomad, which is almost an anagram for Namor. So I really can't take credit for that suggestion, but thanks anyway for the disagreement. http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/biggrin.gif

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WELSHY! YER KILLIN ME MAN! KILLIN ME!!

You're going to RUIN my reputation here as someone that has good opinions!!

No, seriously...... I'm NOT into having Matt Damon as Namor. And by the way, if you spell his name BACKWARDS, you ALMOST get:
NOMAD.

Which, actually, Namor is, in many ways, at one point wandering the world, looking for his place in it when he wasn't in Atlantis, so........

HEY!! DON'T TRY TO TALK ME INTO RE-CONSIDERING DAMON!! HE'S WRONG FOR THE ROLE!!

MarcoPolo

07-07-2004, 01:30 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by norrinraad:
Matt Damon has been the #1 choice for Namor on these boards for many years! Some of you may have missed the huge C2F promotional campiagn we had back in '97 when we first heard rumours of this movie. Matt Damon embodies Namor better than any actor living, any actor who has lived, and any actor who may someday be born. He is so appropriate for Namor it's almost uncanny. He has always been and will always be our very first choice, especially Bigkid who has threatened to boycott the film if Damon is not cast! http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/tongue.gif http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/wink.gif http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/biggrin.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I hate to brake it to you and Welsh, but the "We want Damon for Namor" group consists soley of you two missguided souls. There is a new sherif in town boys, and his name is "Karl Urban".

MarcoPolo

07-07-2004, 01:47 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Welshcat:
 That's why Matt Damon would be the best candidate for the part! http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/biggrin.gif He can even recreate those classic battles with Daredevil, fighting his old chum Ben Affleck.

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Yeah, and maybe there could be a cameo role in this film from Robin Williams as IronMan!!
He could be like Namor's mentor and friend and teach him to befriend daredevil and his fellow superhero. And then together they could form the Avengers. Yes, and Mini Driver could be in it too! She could play Scarlet Witch and...and..uhh no.

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07-07-2004, 02:17 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by MarcoPolo:
 Yeah, and maybe there could be a cameo role in this film from Robin Williams as IronMan!!
He could be like Namor's mentor and friend and teach him to befriend daredevil and his fellow superhero. And then together they could form the Avengers. Yes, and Mini Driver could be in it too! She could play Scarlet Witch and...and..uhh no.
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See, I knew all along you were in support of Matt Damon. All those anti-Damon posts were just you in denial. But finally you saw the light. With that in mind, let me invite (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Mattdamonasnamor/) you to join BigKid's Matt Damon as Namor Yahoo Group! http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/biggrin.gif

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Bigkid

07-07-2004, 04:34 PM

WELSHY!!

WHAT DID I EVER DO TO YOU TO MAKE YOU DO............. THAAAT???

Please.........EVERYONE........DON'T believe that thing that Mr. Cat set-up....... I NEVER ok'd that! I DON'T WANT MATT DAMON AS THE SUB-MARINER!! NO WAY, NO HOW!!

Thank you! :-)
(That link was VERY funny, by the way, Welshy! Nice set up)!

Bigkid

07-07-2004, 04:37 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by MarcoPolo:
I hate to brake it to you and Welsh, but the "We want Damon for Namor" group consists soley of you two missguided souls. There is a new sherif in town boys, and his name is "Karl Urban".<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

MP!
Don't group me in with WELSHCAT! I don't want Damon for Namor.... that's for sure!
And by the way: Your new sheriff in town was one that I had nominated..... now, let's make sure that I get SOME credit for that!!

07-07-2004, 04:45 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Bigkid:
WELSHY!!

WHAT DID I EVER DO TO YOU TO MAKE YOU DO............. THAAAT???

Please.........EVERYONE........DON'T believe that thing that Mr. Cat set-up....... I NEVER ok'd that! I DON'T WANT MATT DAMON AS THE SUB-MARINER!! NO WAY, NO HOW!!

Thank you! :-)
(That link was VERY funny, by the way, Welshy! Nice set up)!

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Hey, BigKid, are you going to join the group? You HAVE to vote in the group poll that's started as to the best actor for Namor! http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/biggrin.gif

And let me extend that invitation to join to everyone here.
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Bigkid

07-08-2004, 06:27 AM

When I get back from my weekend, perhaps I will do just that! By the way: I cast my vote right now for...... OH GEEZ! In the past few months I've stated that I'd like to see guy's ranging from Christian Bale, to The Rock, to Hugh Jackman, to Jim Caviezal, to Karl Urban........ how disoriented am I??

I'll have to take a look at MY website on damon for Namor when I get back and start casting asper.......errr......votes!

MarcoPolo

07-08-2004, 11:36 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Welshcat:
 See, I knew all along you were in support of Matt Damon. All those anti-Damon posts were just you in denial. But finally you saw the light. With that in mind, let me invite (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Mattdamonasnamor/) you to join BigKid's Matt Damon as Namor Yahoo Group! http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/biggrin.gif

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Hahahahahahahhaahahhaa!!!
Good one Welsh. I got a good laugh out of "YOUR"(happy BigKid?) little site.

Junkyard

07-09-2004, 11:12 AM

Okay, just a quick question, with preemptive apologies to those who love Namor:
WHY IN GOD'S NAME WOULD THEY MAKE A SUB-MARINER MOVIE??
I mean, first off, it was a terribly obvious rip off of Aquaman.
Second, the charicter himself is a flat headed, spock- eared buffoon, with a goofy catchphrase. (Imperious Rex? Is that a dinosaur?)
Third, he has nothing in the way of a good supporting cast, and his top villain is a big, blue, bunny-eared oaf.
Fourth, his cotume make's any of Aquaman's look good.
Fifth, his origin is both convoluted and dull, and, again, a rip off of Aquaman.
Sixth, Dwayne Johnson (the man I refuse to call "The Rock,") is a shoe-in for the role, and I don't want to see him in any more movies.

MarcoPolo

07-09-2004, 01:48 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Junkyard:
Okay, just a quick question, with preemptive apologies to those who love Namor:
WHY IN GOD'S NAME WOULD THEY MAKE A SUB-MARINER MOVIE??
I mean, first off, it was a terribly obvious rip off of Aquaman.
Second, the charicter himself is a flat headed, spock- eared buffoon, with a goofy catchphrase. (Imperious Rex? Is that a dinosaur?)
Third, he has nothing in the way of a good supporting cast, and his top villain is a big, blue, bunny-eared oaf.
Fourth, his cotume make's any of Aquaman's look good.
Fifth, his origin is both convoluted and dull, and, again, a rip off of Aquaman.
Sixth, Dwayne Johnson (the man I refuse to call "The Rock,") is a shoe-in for the role, and I don't want to see him in any more movies.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
In rebuttal to your posting here’s 3 Reasons why they should make this flick:

1. It would be great to see a different take on the super hero movie genre. A mainly underwater adventure would look fantastic on screen if the effect's could be done right (which I'm sure they could). It would most definitely be a refreshing change from the movies out there ie: Daredevil, Spiderman, Superman etc..

2. Rip off?
Be it as it may, most people will agree Submariner is a way cooler character than Aquaman, and he does have a pretty large fan base who would pay good money to see this movie made.

3. “The Rock” is not a shoe in, and it’s far too early to assume he will have the part. If you look at most superhero flicks, they usually go with unknows.
Even if they went with the Rock, it would bring in the masses of WWE fans and popularize the Superhero movie genre even more .
This is obviously a good thing

One final point while I’m on a role here, As far as his costume goes, the guy lives underwater so it’s only fitting that he should wear a speedo.

Nuff’ said.

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07-09-2004, 03:03 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by MarcoPolo:
 In rebuttal to your posting here’s 3 Reasons why they should make this flick:

1. It would be great to see a different take on the super hero movie genre. A mainly underwater adventure would look fantastic on screen if the effect's could be done right (which I'm sure they could). It would most definitely be a refreshing change from the movies out there ie: Daredevil, Spiderman, Superman etc..

2. Rip off?
Be it as it may, most people will agree Submariner is a way cooler character than Aquaman, and he does have a pretty large fan base who would pay good money to see this movie made.

3. “The Rock” is not a shoe in, and it’s far too early to assume he will have the part. If you look at most superhero flicks, they usually go with unknows.
Even if they went with the Rock, it would bring in the masses of WWE fans and popularize the Superhero movie genre even more .
This is obviously a good thing

One final point while I’m on a role here, As far as his costume goes, the guy lives underwater so it’s only fitting that he should wear a speedo.

Nuff’ said.

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Hear hear! And besides, BigKid would be the first to point out that it's actually Matt Damon who is a shoe in for the role. http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/biggrin.gif

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Junkyard

07-09-2004, 03:11 PM

Well, you're probably right regarding Namor being cooler that Aquaman, but here's the thing: THEY'RE BOTH LAME! I mean, as comic fans, we can appreciate them, but the average person on the street will look at the flat headed guy in a green speedo, then look at the aryan ideal in green and orange spandex (or the scruffy pirate guy, as the case may be,) and say, "What a couple of dips."
But it's Aquaman who has the name recognition:
"Say, which of these names can you identify- Namor the Sub Mariner or Aquaman?"
"Aquaman; wasn't he the Superfriend's janitor?"

But on your point that it would look fantastic- I don't know if they could really pull it off, at least when it comes to underwater scenes. I mean, there's barely any visibility in natural bodies of water, much less at the bottom of the ocean. And to get the actors to move convincingly in either a water tank or a green screen would be near impossible.

AAAAANNNNDDDD, I don't want to look like I'm trying to tear the idea to shreds, but I don't think Namor OR Aquaman have that big of a fan base. I mean, they have plenty of comic fans, but if even 1/3 of all fanboys and fangirls pushed for Namor, it would still not make for a noticable or profitable percent of the populace. At least, as far as I see.

On the other hand, I have to admit- it would be cool to see. (Unless it had Dwayne as Namor.)

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MarcoPolo

07-12-2004, 09:20 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Junkyard:
Well, you're probably right regarding Namor being cooler that Aquaman, but here's the thing: THEY'RE BOTH LAME! I mean, as comic fans, we can appreciate them, but the average person on the street will look at the flat headed guy in a green speedo, then look at the aryan ideal in green and orange spandex (or the scruffy pirate guy, as the case may be,) and say, "What a couple of dips."
But it's Aquaman who has the name recognition:
"Say, which of these names can you identify- Namor the Sub Mariner or Aquaman?"
"Aquaman; wasn't he the Superfriend's janitor?"

But on your point that it would look fantastic- I don't know if they could really pull it off, at least when it comes to underwater scenes. I mean, there's barely any visibility in natural bodies of water, much less at the bottom of the ocean. And to get the actors to move convincingly in either a water tank or a green screen would be near impossible.

AAAAANNNNDDDD, I don't want to look like I'm trying to tear the idea to shreds, but I don't think Namor OR Aquaman have that big of a fan base. I mean, they have plenty of comic fans, but if even 1/3 of all fanboys and fangirls pushed for Namor, it would still not make for a noticable or profitable percent of the populace. At least, as far as I see.

On the other hand, I have to admit- it would be cool to see. (Unless it had Dwayne as Namor.)

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First off, movies such as Batman, X-men and Spiderman have shown us that there are alternate routs to go, rather than the spandex approach. Secondly I seriously doubt that they would use the whole "flat head" thing in the movie. Thirdly the whole lack of light problem that you mentioned does not hold ground. Just look at what they did in movies such as "The Abyss" or "Star Wars episode 1" or "Water World". An alien form of light could always be used as a quick explination for the light sources. As far as problems making the movement realistic, these days special FX can convince an audience that a guy can swing from buildings. CGI is a very usefull tool in the superhero movie world and it's being used more and more often. I think you need a little vision my friend.

P.S Welsh, you crack me up.

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Bigkid

07-12-2004, 01:28 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by MarcoPolo:
 Hahahahahahahhaahahhaa!!!
Good one Welsh. I got a good laugh out of "YOUR"(happy BigKid?) little site.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

MP!
Yes, VERY happy! Thanks for asking!

Bigkid

07-12-2004, 02:02 PM

WELL WELL WELL!! A ROWDY LITTLE DEBATE WE'VE GOT GOING ON OVER HERE! I LOVE IT!!

Junkyard.... I'm not going to go into it about the WHY'S and HOW COULD THEY'S about making this project. I think that both Marco Polo and Welshcat stated stuff very succintly. Well done, boys!

But what I will say is this:
As someone who's 42, and who's been a BIG fan of this comic (I can remember seeing The Sub-Mariner on t.v. BEFORE even reading the comic), I can tell you that people at Universal Studios are really excited about doing this project. They put TOP people on it....... David Self is writing the screenplay (he adapted the graphic novel "Road to Perdition" to the big screen), he's also excec. producing it, which means he get's to keep A LOT of his screenplay in the film, which most screenwriter's are alway's bitching that they DON'T get enough power to do. Chris Colombus is in the running to Direct it (he might even be signed on already). I think they have the opportunity to create a new fan base for this comic, which, even though it's been around for 65 years, dosen't have as big a fan base as OTHER comics that have been around for a less amount of time (which you sited already). But here's the thing: They might have a property on their hands that they can turn into a smash in a similar fashion to what happened with the Blade films. Remember something: Blade didn't even HAVE his own comic book, he was a featured supporting player in Tomb of Dracula. Namor HAD his own book. And, yes, it's true that his titles didn't last for years and years like, let's say, Fantastic Four, or The Incredible Hulk, but he more than certainly held his own. I think this........ there are MORE than enough people in the film industry and fans of the book who believe enough in it to warrant making a film. And in the words of the great Stan Lee..... "watch out"! ERRR....... I MEAN, I MEAN......... 'Nuff said!

MarcoPolo

07-12-2004, 02:56 PM

BRAVO! BRAVO!
Well put BigKid, and with that I have nothing further to add.

Bigkid

07-12-2004, 04:21 PM

THANK YOU, THANK YOU, MARCOPOLO!

And with that, let me just say...... well, actually, I think I'll take the tact that Marco just did..... I've nothing else to add!

Ciao!

Burton X. Lynch

07-12-2004, 04:24 PM

So wait...Damon Wayans as Namor?

Bigkid

07-12-2004, 06:07 PM

Ummmmmmm....... I would saaaayyyyy.......

no.

Bigkid

07-12-2004, 06:09 PM

That of course is just MY humble opinion, however. If Damon Wayans is what you like.... well..........

07-12-2004, 06:51 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Bigkid:
 MP!
Yes, VERY happy! Thanks for asking!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

And don't forget to submit your membership to the Matt Damon as Namor group! Same goes for everyone else!

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Junkyard

07-12-2004, 09:21 PM

By the way, I have to admit- everyone has made good points about effects and charicterization, but I still won't belive they'll make a serious Namor movie until I see it.
Maybe a comedy, but either way, people will assume it's an Aquaman rip off.

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Bigkid

07-13-2004, 05:55 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Junkyard:
By the way, I have to admit- everyone has made good points about effects and charicterization, but I still won't belive they'll make a serious Namor movie until I see it.
Maybe a comedy, but either way, people will assume it's an Aquaman rip off.

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MR. YARD!
Well, thanks for the aknowledgment of out efforts! And as far as people thinking that it's a "rip off" of Aquaman, I don't think that's even an issue. Most comic people know who the 2 are, and there are many who have their allegiance towards one or the other. And in response to what you say about "believing that they make a serious Namor film when you see it"? I will give you this: Universal DID buy the rights from Marvel to make it a big screen reality, and they have top-notch people involved on it, but no word has actually been given that the project is an actual "go". Or, in the industry lingo, that the film has been "green-lighted". Even though all the elements are most definately in place. So, I will concede to you, Sir, that this project is not really official as yet. But I've much faith that it will become a reality in 2 years!

07-13-2004, 05:56 PM

And don't forget your membership, Mr Kid!

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Junkyard

07-13-2004, 10:20 PM

See, I don't argue that there's a lack of comic book reader interest; every fanboy and his father knows who Namor is. (He's that Spock looking guy) But what about the non- comic book reading masses?
This discussion made me wonder just how much your average person knows of comic charicters. I asked four random friends this:
"Have you ever heard of Aquaman?"
"Yeah, he's that fish guy, right?"
"Ever heard of Namor The Sub Mariner?"
"Uh, no, I don't think so."
I even described him to a couple, and nothing. I'm sure it's differnet in different circles, but not too different.

Now, there HAVE been movies on comics that aren't well known, but they tend to
A: veer from the real plot and charicters quite a bit.
B: suck.
Steel, LXG, Mystery Men.

I have to imagine Namor would be the same. I mean, he DOES look like Spock. That would have to change. He's a fish guy, but he has little birdy wings on his feet. The audience would literally laugh as he flew out of the water. His cousin is called Namorita. He wears a tiny green speedo. One of his major villains, Attuma, has a bunny- ear helmet.

What could they use? How much would they just have to throw away or change?
Would a movie Namor be YOUR Namor?

So I secede that there IS a chance that the movie will be made, but I just don't want anyone to get upset when they see the first preview for, ohmygod, NAMOR: THE SUB-MARINER, and find that it's the story of a genetically enhanced soldier fighting evil fish men from space, or some other such crap.
The movie producers don't care how YOU feel about their use of your beloved charicter: as long as they can make some action figures from it.

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MarcoPolo

07-14-2004, 01:41 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Junkyard:
See, I don't argue that there's a lack of comic book reader interest; every fanboy and his father knows who Namor is. (He's that Spock looking guy) But what about the non- comic book reading masses?
This discussion made me wonder just how much your average person knows of comic charicters. I asked four random friends this:
"Have you ever heard of Aquaman?"
"Yeah, he's that fish guy, right?"
"Ever heard of Namor The Sub Mariner?"
"Uh, no, I don't think so."
I even described him to a couple, and nothing. I'm sure it's differnet in different circles, but not too different.

Now, there HAVE been movies on comics that aren't well known, but they tend to
A: veer from the real plot and charicters quite a bit.
B: suck.
Steel, LXG, Mystery Men.

I have to imagine Namor would be the same. I mean, he DOES look like Spock. That would have to change. He's a fish guy, but he has little birdy wings on his feet. The audience would literally laugh as he flew out of the water. His cousin is called Namorita. He wears a tiny green speedo. One of his major villains, Attuma, has a bunny- ear helmet.

What could they use? How much would they just have to throw away or change?
Would a movie Namor be YOUR Namor?

So I secede that there IS a chance that the movie will be made, but I just don't want anyone to get upset when they see the first preview for, ohmygod, NAMOR: THE SUB-MARINER, and find that it's the story of a genetically enhanced soldier fighting evil fish men from space, or some other such crap.
The movie producers don't care how YOU feel about their use of your beloved charicter: as long as they can make some action figures from it.

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Alright Junky,
I was willing to walk away from this debate and leave it well alone but it would appear that you wont stay down and insist on having the last word. Well the gloves are off baby, “IT’S ON LIKE DONKEY KONG!”

1st: Asking a couple friends if they have heard of Namor does not qualify in any way as an accurate survey, and until you conduct one you cannot dispute his popularity. As far as my side of that argument goes, just do a search on the web of the name “ Namor”. You will indeed get a minimum of 55,400 hits (not too shabby).

2nd: Lesser know comic characters who’ve had movies made after them have not always turned out so bad. What you failed to mention is that many of them actually end up being great films. Some examples include The Crow, Blade, The Mask, or even films such as American Splendor.
By the way I must strongly disagree with you posting Mystery Men as being a film that sucked. It’s a cult classic and I love it to death!

3rd: You keep mentioning his resemblance to Spock as if it were a bad thing. Do you have something against the pointy-eared Vulcan? The look worked for Star Trek, so why not for Namor? I was never a huge Star Trek fan, but I do recall Spock being the most popular character. I agree that the ankle wings would have to go. Perhaps to be replaced by some kind of tattoos. The speedo could stay, as long as it’s look was slightly altered.

4th: Don’t you worry too much about our feelings. If this comic-2-film translation stinks, it wouldn’t be the first time in history that’s happened, and I think we could handle it. Lastly let me just say that your “genetically enhanced soldier fighting evil fish men from space” plot is NEVER gonna’ happen.

Nuff’ said.

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Junkyard

07-14-2004, 03:54 PM

I've pretty much said all I can say about the possibility of of a Namor movie, so I'll put in one more attempt at the last word with this trite cliche':

Only time will tell.

Oh, and one more:

I don't mean not to trust Hollywood, but... I've been hurt before.

http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/biggrin.gif

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Bigkid

07-14-2004, 05:24 PM

I, too, have done the "google" search thing, and have found a LOT on the topic of Sub-Mariner (I didn't look to see how many hits were involved, but it was a great deal, like MarcoPolo stated). Yes, there have been real shit productions of films of lesser known characters, but I would tend to look at the people that I've already stated as to who are involved in this production: Screenplay is being written by a terrific screenwriter, David Self..... Chris Columbos, an A-list Director is being sought to direct (if he signs on, I don't know), but the point is, that Universal is NOT throwing first timers or any sort of fledgling people into this. They are providing some REAL talent here. They've already started doing conceptual artwork for it over at Universal (I guess that means storyboarding), which means that production-wise, they MUST be already willing to sink a budget (no pun intended, by the way), of at LEAST 100 mil into it. Let me just give you an example of what David Self said when asked about the story that he's adapting (which, by the way, the screenplay's been shrouded in secrecy):

"It's a story about identity. About how these 2 world's converge and realize that we share the same planet with each other". That last part, admitedly, is a little bit padded by me, I can't really remember the entire quote. But I felt that what Self is saying, is that he want's to focus on the struggle between Namor's being part human and part Atlantean, and how he's not really of ONE world..... which makes him struggle to gain his OWN feeling of worth and just WHO he is. I think that sound's pretty damn interesting for a film that has been labeled a "Star Wars under water", by Avi Arad. Plus, throw in the fact that once again, Arad, Stan Lee, Kevin Feige and Kevin Misher are once again going to be involved with the creative team BEHIND the scenes of this film, and that their input will be listened to. That's part of the success of some of the Marvel C2F's that have happened as of late. I know you can site the one's that DIDN'T come thru, like The Punisher, and on some level, Hulk, but even THAT film made SOME bucks. Stan Lee was a copy boy when Sub-Mariner was created, by the way, when Marvel was just getting started, so if anybody know's just how to help guide this film, it's him........ so I wouldn't be TOO damn pessimistic when you look at all the "people on point" that this flick's going to have.

(WHEW! That was EXHAUSTING)!
Now let me go take care of my carple-tunnel syndrom!!

MarcoPolo

07-15-2004, 09:06 AM

"High five" BigKid!
Way to get the last word in!!

07-16-2004, 03:43 PM

Suddenly, after the Jessica Alba as Sue Storm casting, Matt Damon as Namor doesn't seem too incredible or illogical. At least not from an Avi Arad point of view. If Sue ever meets Namor, I suppose we can take consolation in the fact that the two characters' ethnicities are still more or less there albeit the wrong way round.

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Junkyard

07-16-2004, 10:41 PM

Just FYI, no matter what, the makers of a Namor movie would need to do everything they could to differentiate Namor from Aquaman, and getting a soft looking blondy like Damon to play him would not exactly help.

Bigkid

07-19-2004, 01:30 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Junkyard:
Just FYI, no matter what, the makers of a Namor movie would need to do everything they could to differentiate Namor from Aquaman, and getting a soft looking blondy like Damon to play him would not exactly help.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

JUNKYARD!
Just FYI....... WELSHY has been joking around about this Matt Damon casting thing for MONTHS..... when it was first reported that DAMON ......was interested in the role. So when the rest of us (me being on the top of this list), started groaning, WELSHY has decided to have a little fun at our expense (me being at the top of THAT list as well)! I'm sure we are ALL in agreement that Damon is NOT Sub-Mariner. As for the filmmakers having to do everything in their power to get as far away from any sort of Aquaman comparisons, I think that is bound to happen anyway, like you say. But if a rival film studio decides to try to produce an Aquaman film to compete with Universal's Namor, it won't be the first time that 2 studios tried to vie for moviegoer's money. Just think of "Tombstone" and Kevin Costner's "Wyatt Earp", which were both being filmed at about the same exact time, and then BOTH films were released within weeks of each other to try to compete for the moviegoer's affections. The rumor mill has been around for quite some time now, anyway, that "Aquaman" was supposedly going to be made. But nothing substantial has come out yet, even as Namor: The Sub-Mariner has been being prepped. I wouldn't worry TOO much about having to have people differentiate between the 2, I really don't.

Junkyard

07-19-2004, 05:33 PM

Oh, good. It's not even a rumor- it's a parody rumor.

But I have to say again- the differences between Aquaman and Namor are negligable at best. They may look different, and have differences in powers, (Fish Talking vs Flight) but they're still both kings of Atlantis, and that's more than enough simmilarity to confuse the general American non- comic reading public.

07-19-2004, 06:14 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Junkyard:
Oh, good. It's not even a rumor- it's a parody rumor.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm sorry to say that it isn't just a parody rumour. It was actual film rumour from last year. You can read it for yourself here:
http://filmforce.ign.com/articles/432/432811p1.html?fromint=1

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Bigkid

07-20-2004, 10:39 AM

I didn't mean to imply that this was ONLY a rumor, or a parody rumor. But I read that article just now that WELSHY gave us the link to, and I also see in that article that we just have to put it in the "rumor file" as it states in the article. I'm just hoping that there is really no validity to this at all. Because, even if Damon was overheard stating that he'd like to play this role, THAT'S when bad thing's (like bad casting), start to happen. Universal sees his statements...... and that's when the studio suits start talking amongst themselves: "Hey...... you read the latest thing? MATT DAMON is interested in being Namor! WOW!! We've got a legit star on our hands to open this puppy, and this comic isn't even KNOWN all that well!! HEY!! Let's do lunch with Matt"!! AAAARRGGGHH!! Studio execs can be REAL idiots, and only go by who's hot in LA LA Land at the moment. Even though Universal execs probably haven't even READ or SEEN a single PANEL of a Sub-Mariner comic book! Which means that they don't understand that Namor is over 6 feet 3 and is a majestically powerful and muscular character....... who'd be better off served being played by a lesser known actor, such as Karl Urban. Who, by the way, is going to be IN "The Bourne Supremacy" playing a hit-man alongside Damon this summer. Talk about your "Degrees of Separation", huh? As for Urban himself, I don't know how tall the guy actually is, but I know that Damon dosen't even APPROACH six feet tall. My advice to Damon? PLLLLEAASEEE....... man, DON'T try to put yourself in the running for this flick, you'll only kill it.

07-20-2004, 02:26 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Bigkid:
I didn't mean to imply that this was ONLY a rumor, or a parody rumor. But I read that article just now that WELSHY gave us the link to, and I also see in that article that we just have to put it in the "rumor file" as it states in the article. I'm just hoping that there is really no validity to this at all. Because, even if Damon was overheard stating that he'd like to play this role, THAT'S when bad thing's (like bad casting), start to happen. Universal sees his statements...... and that's when the studio suits start talking amongst themselves: "Hey...... you read the latest thing? MATT DAMON is interested in being Namor! WOW!! We've got a legit star on our hands to open this puppy, and this comic isn't even KNOWN all that well!! HEY!! Let's do lunch with Matt"!! AAAARRGGGHH!! Studio execs can be REAL idiots, and only go by who's hot in LA LA Land at the moment. Even though Universal execs probably haven't even READ or SEEN a single PANEL of a Sub-Mariner comic book! Which means that they don't understand that Namor is over 6 feet 3 and is a majestically powerful and muscular character....... who'd be better off served being played by a lesser known actor, such as Karl Urban. Who, by the way, is going to be IN "The Bourne Supremacy" playing a hit-man alongside Damon this summer. Talk about your "Degrees of Separation", huh? As for Urban himself, I don't know how tall the guy actually is, but I know that Damon dosen't even APPROACH six feet tall. My advice to Damon? PLLLLEAASEEE....... man, DON'T try to put yourself in the running for this flick, you'll only kill it.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hey, you know that your disuasion might be the best form of persuasion for Damon to play as Namor. Someone will probably see your post and think "YES! That sounds like a good idea! LET'S do lunch with him after all" Maybe they'll even cast Karl Urban as Attuma alongside Damon. And if Damon sees your post he'll think: "Hey, who says I can't play this role? I'll show them!"

So your best bet is to do just the opposite and plead on your knees for Matt Damon. With any luck, studio execs will simply ignore the fans casting and do their own thing.

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Bigkid

07-21-2004, 09:11 AM

Very good point, Mr. Cat!

So to Universal Studios:

MATT DAMON .........He IS Namor! Go for it!!

(How'd that sound, convincing enough)??

Junkyard

07-21-2004, 11:31 AM

Stop me when I come to one that sounds right:

Matt Damon IS NAMOR!
Woody Allen IS NAMOR!
Cuba Gooding Jr. IS NAMOR!
Sylvester Stallone IS NAMOR!
Jessica Simpson IS NAMOR!
Chevy Chase IS NAMOR!
Leslie Nielson IS NAMOR!
Sean Connery IS NAMOR!
...

brokenstatue2001

07-21-2004, 12:03 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Junkyard:
Stop me when I come to one that sounds right:

Matt Damon IS NAMOR!
Woody Allen IS NAMOR!
Cuba Gooding Jr. IS NAMOR!
Sylvester Stallone IS NAMOR!
Jessica Simpson IS NAMOR!
Chevy Chase IS NAMOR!
Leslie Nielson IS NAMOR!
Sean Connery IS NAMOR!
...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wait, I got some better ones....
Mr. T IS NAMOR!
Ron Jeremy IS NAMOR!
Conan O'Brien IS NAMOR!
Triumph the Insult Comic Dog IS NAMOR!
THAT'S IT! GET ME THOSE RETARDS AT UNIVERSAL, QUICK! TRIUMPH THE INSULT COMIC DOG IS NAMOR!!

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Bigkid

07-21-2004, 12:12 PM

How about...... NAMOR is NAMOR!

Ummm........ I guess that's not TOO funny, huh? I was trying to think of some, but you guys took all the best ones! I did like the "Ron Jeremy IS Namor", one, though, I've gotta admit!

Junkyard

07-21-2004, 02:13 PM

I like the Mr. T IS NAMOR idea best.

"I pity da fool who invades my realm with bad intentions! Imperius REX, FOOL!"

07-21-2004, 02:25 PM

Well, since there's all this support for other actors as Namor, you all might as well sign up for your free membership to the Yahoo Group below:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Mattdamonasnamor/

Make it a priority! This group needs you!

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Bigkid

07-21-2004, 07:32 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Welshcat:
Well, since there's all this support for other actors as Namor, you all might as well sign up for your free membership to the Yahoo Group below:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Mattdamonasnamor/

Make it a priority! This group needs you!

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
WELSHY!
But...... this say's that I have to join YAHOO! in order to join the group?? I don't wanna have to join YAHOO in order to join a group that I DON'T really want to! Unless....... am I reading this wrong? When I clicked the link to join, it said that I have to join and use a password and everything....... UUUUGGHH, I'm confused! You really don't need ME in this thing, do you WELSHY??

Bigkid

07-21-2004, 07:35 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Junkyard:
I like the Mr. T IS NAMOR idea best.

"I pity da fool who invades my realm with bad intentions! Imperius REX, FOOL!"<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Junkyard!
Yeah, actually...... that's not bad! I mean, with Ron Jeremy, conceivably, what COULD his lines be? "MMMMMMM.....OH, YEAH,....IMPERIUS.....IMP.......OOOOOOO, YEAH, BABY, THAT'S IT......... RRRRRR........EEEEEEEXXXXXXXXXXX"!!!! You know........MAYBE something like that.

07-21-2004, 07:49 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Bigkid:
 WELSHY!
But...... this say's that I have to join YAHOO! in order to join the group?? I don't wanna have to join YAHOO in order to join a group that I DON'T really want to! Unless....... am I reading this wrong? When I clicked the link to join, it said that I have to join and use a password and everything....... UUUUGGHH, I'm confused! You really don't need ME in this thing, do you WELSHY??

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Bah! It's not like it costs anything to join yahoo. It's just getting an account, that's all, so you can join the group. You don't need to get yahoo email or anything. And yes, you are needed for the group - as its official figurehead, and to give the resemblance of some activity there. http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/smile.gif

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Junkyard

07-21-2004, 09:29 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Bigkid:
 Junkyard!
Yeah, actually...... that's not bad! I mean, with Ron Jeremy, conceivably, what COULD his lines be? "MMMMMMM.....OH, YEAH,....IMPERIUS.....IMP.......OOOOOOO, YEAH, BABY, THAT'S IT......... RRRRRR........EEEEEEEXXXXXXXXXXX"!!!! You know........MAYBE something like that.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm so glad I don't know who Ron Jeremy is. Unfortunately, within half an hour, my curiosity is going to get the best of me, and to Google I'll go.

Junkyard

07-21-2004, 10:25 PM

Yeah, I didn't want to know.

Junkyard

07-23-2004, 09:26 PM

Nevermind those other ideas-

Eddie The Dog (of Frasier) IS NAMOR!

brokenstatue2001

07-24-2004, 01:49 AM

Ok, how about these?
Sally Jesse Raphael IS NAMOR
Optimus Prime IS NAMOR
brokenstatue2001 IS NAMOR
A 3 day old doughnut IS NAMOR
Kenny from South Park IS NAMOR
Jennifer Lopez's ass IS NAMOR
Method Man and Redman IS NAMOR
A half empty can of Caffiene Free Coca Cola IS NAMOR
Brian Michael Bendis IS NAMOR
My Ford Mustang IS NAMOR
Hmmm....I still think Triumph the Insult Comic Dog as Namor is still the best idea...
FOR ME TO POOP ON!!!!!!
(LOL, that's still funny!)

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Bigkid

07-26-2004, 01:47 PM

OHHHHHH KKKKK, EVERYONE...... I THINK WE'VE PRETTY MUCH "SHOT THE WAD" ON THIS JOKE NOW!!

And, junkyard.....
You didn't know who RON JEREMY was??! My GOD, he's a LEGEND, for God's sake! How could you NOT know??

(Anybody have any serious thoughts now as to who should play Sub-Mariner)?

Or have we figured out that it's going to be Karl Urban? PLEASE.........SHARE!

bottleHeD

07-26-2004, 04:39 PM

A sense of direction in this thread is NAMOR!!
(Get it, Namor, no more.. nevermind.)

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brokenstatue2001

07-26-2004, 05:11 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Bigkid:

And, junkyard.....
You didn't know who RON JEREMY was??! My GOD, he's a LEGEND, for God's sake! How could you NOT know??

(Anybody have any serious thoughts now as to who should play Sub-Mariner)?

Or have we figured out that it's going to be Karl Urban? PLEASE.........SHARE!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think you guys are familiar with my stance (The Rock IS NAMOR, seriously). I can't see Urban as Namor, though. Sorry.

And Junky, even though I've never seen any of his films, I know who Ron Jeremy is. You must've lived a sheltered life. (As the great philosopher, Johnny Depp, has said, "Your not a eunuch, are you?")

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Junkyard

07-26-2004, 09:49 PM

I'm kinda frightened at just how many of you seem to be familiar with a male porn star.

Anyhoo, if you want my serious opinion on a Namor movie,
George W. Bush IS NAMO-
POW

Ughhh....Bigkid... WHY?

No, seriously, seriously-
If they did Namor, more or less as he is in the comics, I'd say they could cast a pumped up Billy Zane in the role. I personally don't like him, but he has the look, additude, and proper voice.

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Bigkid

07-27-2004, 09:51 AM

I've seen this proposed before (Billy Zane), and it's not a bad idea, but Zane, I believe, would do a serious over the top as Namor, I believe. I think he'd try to go to the sort of performance that he did in Titanic. Just a little too much "Snidely Whiplash", if you know what I mean. I understand how one would feel about The Rock (Dwayne Johnson), being cast in the role, but the reason I brought up Urban many posts ago is that I believe he's going to become a very wanted man. Sort of the way Viggo Mortensen has become, after years of films, and now we see how The Lord of the Rings films has catapulted him. Urban I think is a MUCH better actor than Rock, and within the next 2 years, if the Producers on this film would, let's say, pass on him for Namor, he just might become a bigger star in another vehicle.

Bigkid

07-27-2004, 09:53 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by bottleHeD:
A sense of direction in this thread is NAMOR!!
(Get it, Namor, no more.. nevermind.)

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

bottleHed!
I wish I COULD say I got what you meant....what DID you mean??

bottleHeD

07-28-2004, 03:07 PM

It was a joke, a rather bad pun..

All those people going This Guy is NAMOR, That Guy is NAMOR.
So i add, A sense of direction in this thread is NAMOR, seeing how no-more and Namor sound similar. So that is to be read as A sense of direction in this thread is no-more.

Like i said, bad pun.

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bottleHeD

07-28-2004, 03:09 PM

Loo, it was a joke, a rather bad pun..

All those people going This Guy is NAMOR, That Guy is NAMOR.
So i add, A sense of direction in this thread is NAMOR, seeing how no-more and Namor sound similar. So that is to be read as A sense of direction in this thread is no-more.

Like i said, bad pun.

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Junkyard

07-28-2004, 09:25 PM

Whoa. I just had the strangest feeling of de-ja-vu.

I thought the pun/joke was funny. Casting this thread's sense of direction as Namor would be like casting Bigfoot as Namorita. It's unlikely either of them exist to go to the audition.

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Bigkid

07-28-2004, 10:55 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by bottleHeD:
Loo, it was a joke, a rather bad pun..

All those people going This Guy is NAMOR, That Guy is NAMOR.
So i add, A sense of direction in this thread is NAMOR, seeing how no-more and Namor sound similar. So that is to be read as A sense of direction in this thread is no-more.

Like i said, bad pun.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually, I feel like a dunce that I didn't pick that up the FIRST time!! Very funny, bottlehed! Now that you explained it, it was pretty funny!

bottleHeD

07-29-2004, 03:56 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Junkyard:
 thought the pun/joke was funny. Casting this thread's sense of direction as Namor would be like casting Bigfoot as Namorita. It's unlikely either of them exist to go to the audition.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hey, that's not quite what i meant, but it's a pretty good interpretation nevertheless.
I was aiming for more of a word pun, and not exactly a personification of the thread's direction, but lol, two jokes in one post... kewl!!

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07-29-2004, 05:36 PM

I still would like to see Estella Warren in the role of Namorita. She really does strike me as a sea nymph.

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Junkyard

07-29-2004, 10:02 PM

Yeah. Never has a woman reminded me so much of a fish while still looking attractive.

07-31-2004, 11:59 AM

Incidently Big Kid, since you are Namor's No.1 fan here at C2F, do you own a Namor costume (either green trunks or black leather village people outfit plus ankle wings) and do you turn up to comic conventions in it? If so, please DON'T post any of your pictures here! http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/biggrin.gif

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Bigkid

08-02-2004, 02:26 PM

I don't dress up in that stuff and go to comic conventions, but I like to do that in my apartment when nobody is around! Or on a Saturday night, when I come home with a date, and we do a little "fantasy" play! I like to sort of say things like, "IMPERIUS REX!! WHO'S YOUR PRINCE.....YOUR FATHER.... NOW, MY DEAR"??! You know, that sort of thing.

By the way, Estella Warren wouldn't be a bad choice for Nita, but I gotta tell you..... I don't know if she's going to actually be included in this film. Does ANYBODY know of a way to find this script online or something?? I would LOVE to get a look at this script and see JUST how they ARE going about doing this!

Junkyard

08-02-2004, 09:13 PM

Yeah, Marvel really sucks at names.
Let's see... a female friend of Namor's? Hmmm...
Oh, how about Namorita?
Genius! That was better than when you came up with a name for Hulk's big green cousin!

Bigkid

08-03-2004, 05:20 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Junkyard:
Yeah, Marvel really sucks at names.
Let's see... a female friend of Namor's? Hmmm...
Oh, how about Namorita?
Genius! That was better than when you came up with a name for Hulk's big green cousin!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

JUNKYARD!
Ummm, that's not a FRIEND of Namor's.......that's his little cousin. She was named AFTER him.

Bigkid

08-11-2004, 09:32 PM

Ok, now in response to your choice, THE WRENCH.... for Justin Theroux as Sub-Mariner. I've seen the dude before, I've actually thought of him myself for Namor, but here's the thing: Whomever is cast in this role, has to just OOZE and EXUDE that princely arrogance and royalty that IS Prince Namor. I don't know if this guy really has the acting chops as yet to play Namor correctly. One of the many choices that I've put forward in the past few months for this role has been, amongst a whole slew of them...... Karl Urban. If his name dosen't sound familiar to you, he's just been seen in (ironically enough), The Bourne Supremecy. He plays a Russian hit man. But you've more than likely seen him in The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers. He played Eomer, King Theodan's nephew, who's banished from the kingdom of Rohan. But if you see that flick, Urban gives the type of performance that convinced me that, even though he's still an unknown, I believe this is the role that could make him a household name. He exuded such a commanding presence with royal dignity and strength, and that is what I feel Namor needs to have up there on the big screen. There are quite a few people who don't even think this comic should be given it's own film, but I believe it's going to do quite well for Marvel. In the past, I've stated that I've thought such big screen names such as Hugh Jackman, The Rock, Jim Caviezal, all could work. But when I re-watched the Two Towers again, I thought this guy could work out just fine. PLUS..... because of his unknown quality, he'd probably be someone that you could get on the cheap, and be able to put more of your efforts into f/x, which are going to be HEAVILY needed for a film that will undoubtedly take place for the majority underwater. WHEW! Well, that's my 2 cents worth! WRENCH...... care to comment? Please..........SHARE!

MarcoPolo

08-12-2004, 10:02 AM

Well I care to comment.
Let me just say this once again..
"KARL URBAN IS THE SUB MARINER!!!"
Nuff'said.

jermol X

08-13-2004, 01:41 PM

All Jokes aside...

I heard somewhere.. that The Rock himself will be playing the Sub-Mariner

08-14-2004, 06:25 AM

I thought people might be interested to know that once Matt Damon was on a UK chat show, and he met another person in the audience named Matt Damon who was from the UK and obviously less well known. He also met 2 other people who claimed to be called Matt Damon, but had to guess the identity of the real Matt Damon.

Not strictly Namor news, but close enough since Damon seems to be becoming almost synomymous with the role.

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Bigkid

08-16-2004, 02:05 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by jermol X:
All Jokes aside...

I heard somewhere.. that The Rock himself will be playing the Sub-Mariner<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

JERMOL!
Yes, I've heard this myself. He's actually supposed to be attached to the film. The rumor has been swirling about for some time on this, because one of the reasons is because one of the producers on this, Kevin Misher, has worked twice with Rock (Scorpion King, The Rundown). I don't know if Misher also Produced the re-make of Walking Tall, but if he did, then they have a great working relationship together. I've said in the past that I think from a business standpoint, Rock would not be a bad choice at all. He's an established action-star, he's very magnetic, and he's getting better and better as an actor. HOWEVER....... I HAVE to agree with Marco Polo: I think Karl Urban IS The Sub-Mariner! Although,the problem is..... he's somewhat of an unknown.

08-16-2004, 02:57 PM

You know, Karl Urban and Matt Damon are both in the Bourne Supremacy. I can't really see the resemblance between Namor and Karl Urban. He doesn't look like a classical Namor to me - maybe his features are too particular. Matt Damon looks more like Namor than Karl Urban! http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/biggrin.gif

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Junkyard

08-16-2004, 06:27 PM

Say, is Lenard Nimroy still alive?
It might work.

08-16-2004, 07:16 PM

Leonard Nimoy IS still alive, but he's too old, and too thin for Namor. Plus I doubt he'd want to play another role with pointy ears.

After DeForest Kelley (Dr McCoy), the next one likely to pop off is James Doohan (Scotty). He looked quite a sad shadow of his former self in an interview not so long ago.

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Znluvx

08-17-2004, 12:21 PM

I've been watching these Olympic Games, especially the swimming, and IMO the actor picked to play Namor should have a swimmers physique: tall, long & lanky, sinewy and sleek like Phelps and Thorpe. Maybe an "unknown" who has a swimming background (collegiate).

08-17-2004, 01:28 PM

Junkyard

08-17-2004, 01:55 PM

Did I mention that she looks like a fish?

Anyway, the idea of whover plays Namor being a good swimmer is an excellent point. All the CG effects in the world can make a bad swimmer look like King of The Seas.

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JOEL- I guess they're trying to say that if we're born, and then we die, then there's lots of padding in between.

08-17-2004, 02:18 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Bigkid:
I've seen this proposed before (Billy Zane), and it's not a bad idea, but Zane, I believe, would do a serious over the top as Namor, I believe. I think he'd try to go to the sort of performance that he did in Titanic. Just a little too much "Snidely Whiplash", if you know what I mean. I understand how one would feel about The Rock (Dwayne Johnson), being cast in the role, but the reason I brought up Urban many posts ago is that I believe he's going to become a very wanted man. Sort of the way Viggo Mortensen has become, after years of films, and now we see how The Lord of the Rings films has catapulted him. Urban I think is a MUCH better actor than Rock, and within the next 2 years, if the Producers on this film would, let's say, pass on him for Namor, he just might become a bigger star in another vehicle. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'd still go for Billy Zane as Namor before he gets too old and too obscure. This could be just the role to revive his flagging career (what has he done recently?). He was already fairly muscular and Namor doesn't have to be overly buff, especially not like the Rock type proportions. Zane has a more classical look than the Rock who could seem too much like a Baywatch Hawaii lifeguard. And I don't think Zane necessarily has to give an over-the-top performance in the role. He has played non-Titanic roles before. He certainly would, from playing a villain in Titanic though, bring an anti-hero edge to Namor that might be absent with the Rock in the role. Namor has often bordered almost on being a supervillain at times, but in the end manages to stay on the right side. With someone like Zane who has played various villains, he'd bring out this aspect very well while still remaining charismatic as a hero.

And Junkyard, do you mean all the CGI in the world can or can't make a bad swimmer look like the king of the seas?

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Bigkid

08-17-2004, 03:30 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Znluvx:
I've been watching these Olympic Games, especially the swimming, and IMO the actor picked to play Namor should have a swimmers physique: tall, long & lanky, sinewy and sleek like Phelps and Thorpe. Maybe an "unknown" who has a swimming background (collegiate).<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

ZNLUVX!
I can understand that, and that's a valid point to bring up, but I believe that you can and SHOULD be able to portray Namor as one who is a lot beefier than an Olympic swimmer for a couple of reasons:
A). Namor (and Atlanteans), live at the bottom of the ocean, the sea floor. The actor who plays Namor has to look as though his skin, musculatur, etc., can withstand the crushing depths of the oceans floor (a very point that has been brought up in Sub-Mariner comic books for years). Which leads me to point
B). If you look at most of the Sub-Mariner comics over the years, the majority of the comic's covers (and the stories within), show Namor to be pretty buffed out. Sub-Mariner #1, circa 1968 or '67, shows on the cover a powerful, regal Namor, his arms look like they are pythons.

I've thought that having The Rock SOMEWHAT slimmed down would make a really great look and choice for The Sub-Mariner, but if someone such as, say, KARL URBAN, for instance, were to get the part, I'd say that he'd have to hit the gym for quite a spell before he could realistically play Namor. Of course, these actors (any of them vying for the coveted role), would have to work swimming into their workout regimen for the part, that goes without saying. We all have to bear something in mind: Namor is one of the most powerful of the Marvel characters in strength and endurance; I've seen him in the comics be able to haul oil tankers through the water by himself, so his strength HAS to be taken into account......if people are watching on the big screen someone with an Olympic type build performing feats of strength, IMHumbleO, I think it could ruin the illusion for everybody. That's why I wouldn't discount someone who's built like The Rock is NOW....... because Namor HAS to show feats of super-human strength. Even though I just said a "slimmed down Rock", I don't mean for him to slim down all that much. Maybe 10-15 lbs. less would be ideal.

Bigkid

08-17-2004, 03:38 PM

I just read WELSHY'S thoughts on Billy Zane being the Prince of the Deep, and I must say, there are some good points to that, but here's something else to keep in mind: Billy Zane was the star of another film about a comic book creation, "The Phantom". He didn't exactly burn up the box office in that role, to be honest. I've essentially seen Zane as somebody who's more of a B actor, someone who's not been the sort of name that's going to make people flock to the films in order to see him. I personally think he's a pretty interesting guy, but for this film, I think he might be past his prime to be able to draw enough interest from people to slam down their 10 bucks to watch a film based on a comic strip that hasn't been drawing much attention over the last few years. An up and comer such as Urban (or even The Rock, for that matter), just might get people interested in seeing what this flick is all about. But I did like your thoughts on why he could play Namor, WELSHY. This feeling that he could ride that fence between hero and villain I think is something that he certainly has (the anti-hero quotient, I guess would be the right way to put it, huh)?

Bigkid

08-17-2004, 03:42 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Welshcat:
 That's a very good observation. Namor SHOULD definitely look like he's able to swim and not like he's going to need saving by a Baywatch lifeguard at any moment. Speaking of Baywatch, i'm of the opinion that the Rock looks too much like a lifeguard out of the failed Baywatch Hawaii. And speaking further about Olympic swimmers, did I mention that former Olympic swimmer Estella Warren would be great for the role of Namorita? http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/smile.gif

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Yes, I believe you HAVE mentioned that on occasion, WELSHY! However, like I've said in the past, I wouldn't bet too much on them even writing Namorita into the film. I've a feeling that David Self is doing a lot of his own writing, maybe borrowing some points of interest from the comic, but I've a feeling that characters like Namorita, or Attuma, or Warlord Krang, are not going to make the final draft. I'd bet that they will have mention of his mother, Fen, and his human father, Leonard McKenzie, and maybe throw in his grandfather, Emperor Thakkor.......but I don't know if we are going to be given the full Sub-Mariner treatment from the comics.

Znluvx

08-17-2004, 04:13 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Bigkid:
...if people are watching on the big screen someone with an Olympic type build performing feats of strength, IMHumbleO, I think it could ruin the illusion for everybody. That's why I wouldn't discount someone who's built like The Rock is NOW....... because Namor HAS to show feats of super-human strength. Even though I just said a "slimmed down Rock", I don't mean for him to slim down all that much. Maybe 10-15 lbs. less would be ideal.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Bigkid, I'm with you...
BUT have you seen these swimmers. They are buff, but not in that body builder sort of way. They have a sleek musculature, but when they flex, they have impressive guns. I also noticed that many of the water polo players are in the 230-250lbs area and still look surprisingly svelte.

Bigkid

08-18-2004, 12:14 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Znluvx:
 Bigkid, I'm with you...
BUT have you seen these swimmers. They are buff, but not in that body builder sort of way. They have a sleek musculature, but when they flex, they have impressive guns. I also noticed that many of the water polo players are in the 230-250lbs area and still look surprisingly svelte.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Really? At that weight they look surprisingly svelte? I think I'm going to have to take a look at these Olympic events and get a better idea of what you are seeing. Maybe they need to get The Rock, or Urban, or WHOMEVER to eat lots of carbs and then get into a BIG swimming regimen (but they shouldn't go in the water until they are completely digested, of course)!

08-18-2004, 12:52 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Bigkid:
 Really? At that weight they look surprisingly svelte? I think I'm going to have to take a look at these Olympic events and get a better idea of what you are seeing. Maybe they need to get The Rock, or Urban, or WHOMEVER to eat lots of carbs and then get into a BIG swimming regimen (but they shouldn't go in the water until they are completely digested, of course)!

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What, is there something wrong with having the actor playing the Prince of the Seas almost drowning, and then needing rescuing by a lifeguard? http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/wink.gif

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Bigkid

08-18-2004, 01:45 PM

WEll.....YES... ... if he's the PRINCE OF THE SEAS!

08-18-2004, 02:17 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Bigkid:
WEll.....YES... ... if he's the PRINCE OF THE SEAS! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

We need Baywatch: Atlantis. Everyone wears green outfits instead of red (or yellow). Namor can run down the beach with his green float, and an Estella Warren-looking Namorita can also run and be on hand to give mouth-to-mouth resuscitation to any potential drowners.

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Bigkid

08-23-2004, 01:59 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Welshcat:
 We need Baywatch: Atlantis. Everyone wears green outfits instead of red (or yellow). Namor can run down the beach with his green float, and an Estella Warren-looking Namorita can also run and be on hand to give mouth-to-mouth resuscitation to any potential drowners.

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WELSHY!
Do Namor and Nita get to........ you know...... be "kissing cousins" in this series?? I know that sounds incestuous, but NOT if they are either 2nd cousins twice removed, or if they are 3rd cousins.

08-23-2004, 02:35 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Bigkid:
 WELSHY!
Do Namor and Nita get to........ you know...... be "kissing cousins" in this series?? I know that sounds incestuous, but NOT if they are either 2nd cousins twice removed, or if they are 3rd cousins. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Bah! Twice or thrice removed... it still sounds incestuous to me. They should never indulge in such activities. Surely Namor can find someone else? There must be plenty more fish in the sea!

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Bigkid

08-25-2004, 12:03 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Welshcat:
 Bah! Twice or thrice removed... it still sounds incestuous to me. They should never indulge in such activities. Surely Namor can find someone else? There must be plenty more fish in the sea!

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
WELSHY!
UUUUUUUGGGGHH!! Awfully "punny" of you, no?

Hey, in somewhat other related news today, David Self, who's penning the Sub-Mariner script, is also being brought on board to pen the script for "Deathlok the Destroyer".
But won't that sort of interfere with his chores on the Namor project? He's also been given the Executive Produer's hat as well. Couldn't that be a conflict of interest? Please......SHARE your thoughts on this!

Bigkid

09-15-2004, 05:12 PM

I know I've asked this here before, but I was wondering.... does anybody know how at least a little bit of this script could be obtained? I've heard that there is a website that is run by some guy who is able to get screenplays (finished or otherwise), so you can read about what the film is going to be like. It's done I guess in the same fashion that that guy Moriarty is able to obtain scripts like the one he reviewed for the FF film. Is there anyone that knows this website? I forgot the name of the site that somebody told me about, and I'm DYING to see how David Self has adapted this story. Anyone got ANY ideas?? If so, Please......SHARE!

Bigkid

09-20-2004, 02:25 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Bigkid:
I know I've asked this here before, but I was wondering.... does anybody know how at least a little bit of this script could be obtained? I've heard that there is a website that is run by some guy who is able to get screenplays (finished or otherwise), so you can read about what the film is going to be like. It's done I guess in the same fashion that that guy Moriarty is able to obtain scripts like the one he reviewed for the FF film. Is there anyone that knows this website? I forgot the name of the site that somebody told me about, and I'm DYING to see how David Self has adapted this story. Anyone got ANY ideas?? If so, Please......SHARE!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

UMMM.......ANYBODY??! PLEASE??! SHARE??!

Bigkid

09-27-2004, 02:11 PM

I just read some news today concerning another Atlantis-themed sci-fi flick, being produced by Gale Ann Hurd. It's called "Atlantis Rising", based on a graphic novel by the same name. Apparently there's going to be some sort of big video game tie-in thing with it as well. After reading this news, my question to be posed here is this: with this film, and with the sci-fi channel's Stargate:Atlantis underway, just how much does this impact the possibilities of a Sub-Mariner film actually getting made? I would think that Universal might not want to start getting into a "race" to see which studio is going to put out something with "Atlantis" as a big plot point in there film. They wanted to create something really unique, but it isn't quite unique right now, giving the fact that Atlantis is such a hot property right now. Anybody have an opinion on this? Please..... you know.........SHARE!

Bigkid

10-20-2004, 10:47 AM

In the recent interviews with the cast & crew of the Fantastic Four, a question was poised to Avi Arad about the possibility of other Marvel characters making a cameo appearance in that film. He was sort of coy about it, but he sort of left it with something like a, "you never know" response. Even though I want Namor in his OWN film (which, as we all know, is in development right now at Universal), does anybody here think that there COULD be the possibility of, at the very LEAST, a HINT of Namor being brought in for the SECOND FF film?? I mean, it's kind of a nutty question to propose (maybe I'm just doing this HERE to bring back my fav topic),but, HEY....... like Arad said...... you never know, right? Well........ Please....SHARE!

bottleHeD

10-21-2004, 02:38 AM

Namor has had a big history with the original Human Torch... so the fire vs water thing may just come into play here.

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Bigkid

10-25-2004, 01:33 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by bottleHeD:
Namor has had a big history with the original Human Torch... so the fire vs water thing may just come into play here.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not only that, but the whole love story triangle thing between Sue, Reed, and Namor might be something interesting to do in the sequel.......who knows??

10-31-2004, 03:52 PM

Here's a new poll to vote for your favourite actor to play Namor:
http://www.misterpoll.com/3080896622.html

Go there now and cast your vote! Make it count!

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Bigkid

11-02-2004, 12:03 PM

Well, WELSHY, I took the poll.... and, no matter what, the way you worded some of those questions, no matter how hard I tried, I just KNOW that I don't win out in the long run! The thing is, nobody can pick up the sarcasm in my thinking when I'm making the vote! The way you worded these, it makes it look like I don't mind the casting at all! Very tricky of you INDEED, Mr.Cat! But I got a royal kick out of the poll anway! Good job!

Bigkid

12-06-2004, 03:50 PM

I just read the news on superherohype.com, and it's official: Chris Colombus IS indeed set to direct Namor: The Sub-Mariner. It was information posted from Dec.3rd. Now that we know who's doing the directing chores, does anybody have any ideas as to WHOM Mr. C would have in mind for the lead? My feeling would be, that it just maybe an unknown. Colombus, remember, cast those children for the Harry Potter films as unknowns, and he took a very little known McCauley Caulkin to be his lead in the Home Alone series. I like the choice of Colombus, but, admittedly, I'm a little nervous that the edge on this character might JUST be made to be a bit smoother with this director. I want this Namor to be as fiercely tempermental and arrogant as the comic version. But, will that be left in? And just WHO, if they decide to go for a KNOWN actor, do you think Chris C. would want for this role? Please.....EVERYBODY....SHARE!

norrinraad

12-06-2004, 05:04 PM

Chris Columbus is actually a pretty interesting choice! It wasn't hard to predict that he would get around to directing a C2F sooner or later. With him onboard this film will be taken very seriously by both critics and moviegoers and we all know Namor's underseas Kingdom will be fully realised. Columbus did a great job in bringing Harry Potter's world to life.

I doubt the film will be the "hard science fiction" we were promised initially but it should be in good hands with Columbus directing. And as Bigkid pointed out, the studio will be more likely to take a chance on an unknown based on Columbus' track record.

12-06-2004, 06:10 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Bigkid:
I just read the news on superherohype.com, and it's official: Chris Colombus IS indeed set to direct Namor: The Sub-Mariner. It was information posted from Dec.3rd. Now that we know who's doing the directing chores, does anybody have any ideas as to WHOM Mr. C would have in mind for the lead? My feeling would be, that it just maybe an unknown. Colombus, remember, cast those children for the Harry Potter films as unknowns, and he took a very little known McCauley Caulkin to be his lead in the Home Alone series. I like the choice of Colombus, but, admittedly, I'm a little nervous that the edge on this character might JUST be made to be a bit smoother with this director. I want this Namor to be as fiercely tempermental and arrogant as the comic version. But, will that be left in? And just WHO, if they decide to go for a KNOWN actor, do you think Chris C. would want for this role? Please.....EVERYBODY....SHARE! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think Chris Columbus might want Macaulay Culkin for the role. He might want to take another now little known actor like Culkin (after slipping into obscurity) and cast him as the Avenging son. Either that, or Matt Damon.

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Bigkid

12-06-2004, 11:58 PM

WELL........ if they go for an unknown in the lead, I bet it will be an Aussie. Not because of the great track record of the Australian discoveries, but because Aussies are such GREAT swimmers! Wouldn't that make more sense?? And, right you are OH NOBLE NORRIN! Columbus will be able to bring to life the worlds below the waves, the way he did so in showing us the worlds in the "Harry Potter" series. People were impressed with just how close he stuck to the actual books, I'm wondering how much David Self will stick to the original comic book.

Bigkid

12-08-2004, 02:33 PM

I just read news today from the comicscontinuum, and they reported that this film is being scheduled for a 2007 release! That sucks. I thought it was going to be released NEXT year (2006). But I guess this makes sense, the reports on the script are that it's pretty epic, and that means that they are going to have to assemble a pretty BIG and impressive team of people behind the camera as well as in front. So I guess it makes sense. HEY.....anyone have any thoughts as to if Namor would be played by that Croatian actor on "E.R."....... Goran Visjnic? I'm still one who likes the thought of Karl Urban bellowing out, "Imperius Rex", but a friend of mine and I sort of got into it last night, him telling me that you need a NAME (UUGGH!) actor for this, as opposed to an "up and comer". Even though he's on t.v., this guy HAS done features already (INCLUDING the fact that he will be starring in "Electra" coming this January). I mean, I can understand if there aren't THAT many who like this guy, but I just threw that out there, because I think he's a pretty good actor, despite the fact that he's on t.v. and I think he'd be alright. Maybe as a sort of "plan B" if they don't go for a Jim Caviezal, or a Karl Urban. What do you all think? Please..........SHARE!

Bigkid

01-31-2005, 08:12 PM

Been a while since I commmented in this thread, but I read some interesting news today. In a radio interview with motleyfool.com, Peter Cuneo, President over at Marvel Entertainment, said that Universal has Namor, The Sub-Mariner well underway. And that it's being called "Star Wars underwater". The question was asked in the context of if the film was a stock, would you say that it was a buy, sell or hold. And Cuneo responded by saying, "Definately a BUY". He went on to state that it's Marvel's oldest character and that they are very excited about the film. SO..... just thought I'd bring this up again! I'm sure WELSHY is just COUNTING THE DAYS when they will formally anounce that Matt Damon is most DEFINATELY ..........NOT .......playing Namor.

02-01-2005, 04:50 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Bigkid:
Been a while since I commmented in this thread, but I read some interesting news today. In a radio interview with motleyfool.com, Peter Cuneo, President over at Marvel Entertainment, said that Universal has Namor, The Sub-Mariner well underway. And that it's being called "Star Wars underwater". The question was asked in the context of if the film was a stock, would you say that it was a buy, sell or hold. And Cuneo responded by saying, "Definately a BUY". He went on to state that it's Marvel's oldest character and that they are very excited about the film. SO..... just thought I'd bring this up again! I'm sure WELSHY is just COUNTING THE DAYS when they will formally anounce that Matt Damon is most DEFINATELY ..........NOT .......playing Namor.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, we're all awaiting The Namor Identity... and when he becomes King of Atlantis, it will be the Namor Supremacy, and then the last one will be the Namor Ultimatum! http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/biggrin.gif

As for being a while since you commented... well, it's been a while since anyone has commented on anything anywhere in these forums. These days it's deader than the Dead Sea around here.

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Bigkid

02-02-2005, 10:44 AM

Yes, I quite agree with you, MR.CAT. It's been deader around the C2F boards then Wonder Man. But, I'll tell you, before I posted a couple of days ago, the last post on this topic went back as far as December 6th....... so......it's been DEAD!!

DarrenJSeeley

02-10-2005, 07:16 PM

Micheal T Wiess, of 'The Pretender' fame has my vote. If only they would consider him.

Bigkid

02-21-2005, 01:51 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by DarrenJSeeley:
Micheal T Wiess, of 'The Pretender' fame has my vote. If only they would consider him.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

DARREN J!
Well, I can see why you say that, he DOES bear somewhat of a resemblance.... but I don't think that Chris Columbus is going to take a chance on an actor who hasn't really established himself with solid footing in feature movies. I mean, yes, I have been harping on perhaps Karl Urban, who's been mostly visible because of the Lord of the Rings films, and that might even be a longshot considering he's still considered an unknown (as a lead for films). But Michael Weiss hasn't really even established himself even as a major supporting actor in features, let alone he hasn't really been doing much since "The Pretender" went off the air. So I don't think that realistically a studio would bank on HIM. Forget about someone like Urban, they won't go for Weiss. My guess is, is that they are going to be going for somebody who's an unknown..... who's being groomed by Universal Studios, even though this comic is a pretty big gamble to some people. Do mostly to the fact that it's not as big a book as, say, Fantastic Four, or even the Hellblazer series. But that's why they maybe able to take a shot on putting an unknown in: because it IS an unknown commodity...... this C2F can almost be thought of as a fresh start for the filmmakers, considering not too many people follow it, even though the comic is 65+ years old.

DarrenJSeeley

02-21-2005, 05:40 PM

Well, on a brighter note, when this goes into production, Universal's "Waterworld" theme park attraction will go under a name change...

[This message has been edited by DarrenJSeeley (edited 02-21-2005).]

DarrenJSeeley

02-21-2005, 05:56 PM

Karl Urban has been playing heavies in "Bourne Supremecy" and "Riddick" - and he's in the upcoming "Doom" flick as well. It is a matter of time before a studio might roll the dice on him as a possible lead (his name's also kicked around for a possible Thor as well) but to think Michael Wiess has been out of work since "The Pretender" ended isn't entirely so..he's appeared in a few indy films and TV shows, notably a recurring role on 'Crossing Jordan"

Weiss also does voice work as well, such as "Legend Of Tarzan", "Lords Of Everquest" and even "Justice League" ("Etrigan" in "A Knight of Shadows" 1 & 2)

...Weiss hasn't established himself even as a major actor in features...won't bank on HIM...go for someone unknown

1. That's too much presumption. Bruce Willis wasn't that established as a feature film actor when he signed up for Die Hard (and he just got off a popular TV show); likewise, Vin Diesel wasn't a major supporting actor in films, and the filmmakers of "Pitch Black" went to bat for him. Today, every comics fan wants Vin as Venom.

2. "Unknown" heh. Why go for actors who you claim are unknown when they can really dip at the bottom of the apple bin?

Bigkid

02-21-2005, 06:50 PM

Well, for one thing Darren, you took my quote out of context. What I said was "My GUESS is that Universal Studios will go for an unknown, not "GO for an unknown". I've been known to take guesses at things and be completely off the mark about it. Also, I said that Michael Weiss hasn't even established himself as a "major SUPPORTING player in features", not that he hasn't established himself as a "major actor in features." That quote was NOT a quote you took from what I said, my friend. Don't misrepresent what I said. You must have wrote "quote", because if you look at what I said, you'll see that what you are quoting me as saying is NOT. My point being about Michael Weiss, is, that even though he may have leading man looks and presence, he hasn't even established himself as somebody that a major studio would want to approach to put in a role like this. The parallel that I was trying to make in regards to Karl Urban, was that at least HE has been getting around, in the role of the heavy, or in a supportive role, in which he dominates the screen from the other actors (he nearly blew Viggo Mortensen off the screen in The Twin Towers, in my humble opinion). You yourself agreed with me on that topic (about how Urban has been getting around, not how he nearly blew Viggo off the screen, just want to get that right).

username

02-21-2005, 11:24 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Bigkid:
Well, for one thing Darren, you took my quote out of context. What I said was "My GUESS is that Universal Studios will go for an unknown, not "GO for an unknown". I've been known to take guesses at things and be completely off the mark about it. Also, I said that Michael Weiss hasn't even established himself as a "major SUPPORTING player in features", not that he hasn't established himself as a "major actor in features." That quote was NOT a quote you took from what I said, my friend. Don't misrepresent what I said. You must have wrote "quote", because if you look at what I said, you'll see that what you are quoting me as saying is NOT. My point being about Michael Weiss, is, that even though he may have leading man looks and presence, he hasn't even established himself as somebody that a major studio would want to approach to put in a role like this. The parallel that I was trying to make in regards to Karl Urban, was that at least HE has been getting around, in the role of the heavy, or in a supportive role, in which he dominates the screen from the other actors (he nearly blew Viggo Mortensen off the screen in The Twin Towers, in my humble opinion). You yourself agreed with me on that topic (about how Urban has been getting around, not how he nearly blew Viggo off the screen, just want to get that right). <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Pardon me,

The topic of going with an unknown attracted me. We all know Marvel fans want the character brought to life - that means physical and personalty wise. Why spend millions on a movie and not do Namor right?
Marvel should be prepared to go with an unknown if the unknown, or virtual unknown, has all the qualities necessary to bring the character to life for the fans.

I am still laughing at a fan stating that Jessica Alba may need to be bleached. That is an excellent example. Jessica is lovely. She can act-I guess. However, even though I'm black, I wanted a "real" blonde to protray Sue Storm AND her brother. They were blonde in the comics.

The KEY to casting an unknown can be seen in the success of others. Djimon Honsou, or whatever his name is, was a virtual unknown when he did Speilburg's version of The Amistad. However, he was supported by an all star cast. Djimon performed brilliantly as an actor and looked the part of Cinque fortunately. However, the KEY is he had an all star cast. That's the ticket. Great people can help an ordinary actor become great.

Much success to Marvel.

Incidently, I heard the script is by no means decided. Any rumors?

username

02-21-2005, 11:32 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Bigkid:
Well, for one thing Darren, you took my quote out of context. What I said was "My GUESS is that Universal Studios will go for an unknown, not "GO for an unknown". I've been known to take guesses at things and be completely off the mark about it. Also, I said that Michael Weiss hasn't even established himself as a "major SUPPORTING player in features", not that he hasn't established himself as a "major actor in features." That quote was NOT a quote you took from what I said, my friend. Don't misrepresent what I said. You must have wrote "quote", because if you look at what I said, you'll see that what you are quoting me as saying is NOT. My point being about Michael Weiss, is, that even though he may have leading man looks and presence, he hasn't even established himself as somebody that a major studio would want to approach to put in a role like this. The parallel that I was trying to make in regards to Karl Urban, was that at least HE has been getting around, in the role of the heavy, or in a supportive role, in which he dominates the screen from the other actors (he nearly blew Viggo Mortensen off the screen in The Twin Towers, in my humble opinion). You yourself agreed with me on that topic (about how Urban has been getting around, not how he nearly blew Viggo off the screen, just want to get that right). <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The key to casting an unknown can be seen in the success of others. In Steven Speilburg's Amistad, Djimon Honsou protrayed the lead character though he was relatively unknown. Fortunately, he could act as well as look the part. He was also supported by an experienced all star cast. Marvel should follow the example.

Why spend millions on a movie and not do the Sub-Mariner right? Everyone knows Marvel fans want the characters brought to life,else just do a cartoon. Brought to life means the physical not just the personality.

By the way, I heard the script is by no means definate. Any rumors?

Bigkid

02-22-2005, 09:17 AM

Well, from what I've heard, the script has most definately been penned. The author of the script is David Self, who was the screenwriter on "Road to Perdition", and "13 Days". Universal Studios has just gotten a commitment out of Chris Columbus to direct (once he wraps the filmed production of the Broadway play "Rent", he goes into pre-production on Namor). It's definately being fast tracked, however, you're correct, Sir, by stating that nothing is definate. The project hasn't actually been "green lighted", as they say, as yet. However, they've got all the most important aspects of it down in stone so far. Except, of course, being who the star's going to be(!) The one HUGE rumor that has been circulating forever, is that The Rock (Dwayne Johnson, as some prefer to call him), is the favorite to win the role. I think it's actually a very smart business call, even though lately I've been clamoring for either Karl Urban or even Hugh Jackman. The Rock would make a smart BUSINESS move because he's becoming a big star (even though his last 2 films haven't exactly burned up the box office), but he still has a big following. Plus, out of all the so-called "action stars" of today, he's starting to get better and better as an actor, and after he comes out this spring in "Be Cool", his stock as an actor just might start to rise (early buzz on his performance is that he's actually pretty good). I've seen him in "The Scorpion King" and also in "The Rundown", and what I liked about him in the former, is that he certainly commands the screen as a princely type.......conveying forth the noble arrogance and ego and yet the respect that he gives his opponents as would befit Prince Namor. I think he'd make a great choice. However, as DarrenJ pointed out, Karl Urban has been working so steadily lately, a studio just might do something like roll the dice on him and give him the starring role in this vehicle.

Bigkid

02-22-2005, 09:22 AM

Also, another thing to keep in mind (as to why the rumors of casting The Rock were going around to begin with), one of the Producers of this film, Kevin Misher, has worked on 2 other films with Rock. Both "The Rundown" and "The Scorpion King". And Misher has worked extensively on other Marvel films as well. So the smart money would be bet that Misher would use his influence in order to get The Rock cast as Prince Namor.

WOW! This topic has hit another 200+ posts!
Thanks to all of you for keeping my fav. comic character going! (I hope this isn't closed off soon)! :-0

02-23-2005, 11:01 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Bigkid:
[B]Also, another thing to keep in mind (as to why the rumors of casting The Rock were going around to begin with), one of the Producers of this film, Kevin Misher, has worked on 2 other films with Rock. Both "The Rundown" and "The Scorpion King". And Misher has worked extensively on other Marvel films as well. So the smart money would be bet that Misher would use his influence in order to get The Rock cast as Prince Namor.

[B]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Or Matt Damon! http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/biggrin.gif

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EnziYyrka

03-04-2005, 03:00 PM

Richard Coyle. Hands Down!

Coupling meets The Man from Atlantis

Bigkid

03-07-2005, 05:19 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Welshcat:
 Or Matt Damon! http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/biggrin.gif

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......or...........NOT!

Bigkid

03-07-2005, 05:20 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by EnziYyrka:
Richard Coyle. Hands Down!

Coupling meets The Man from Atlantis <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

ENZI!
Just who IS this.......Richard Coyle??
Please.....SHARE!

Bigkid

03-07-2005, 05:25 PM

Hey, I went to see "Be Cool" today, and I have to tell you guys something.... The Rock is REALLY turning into a heluva good actor, displaying some GREAT comedic acting range, in portraying his character Elliot in this flick. I won't spoil anything for people who want to go see this, but let me tell you something: This role seems further proof to me that Universal JUST maybe watching his record of films that he's doing to see if he would be able to pull of the role of Namor. They probably already feel that he's got an audience, but they would also want to make sure that he's strong enough of an acotr to be able to properly portray The Avenging Son.

04-05-2005, 10:39 AM

Well, it looks like Ryan Reynolds is interested in the role of Namor, as of today's news.

Not sure that's such a good idea. I always thought Reynolds would make a good Johnny Storm. He actually seems more like that character (or even a wise-talking Deadpool), especially when you see re-runs of 2 Guys and a Girl.

BigKid - I said you should check him out before. I think that comedy might still be shown on some US channel - you'll have to check one of the earlier posts where I said the precise channel as I can't remember. Not sure what you'd think of Reynolds as Namor though. Since he is in the Johnny Storm mould, he might not be that much different in some ways to having Matt Damon as Namor. http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/biggrin.gif

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norrinraad

04-05-2005, 11:56 AM

Ryan Reynolds must have a damn good agent. He seems to be everywhere these days, all on the strength of one failed TV show and a few lower profile movie roles. Anyway, I have a hard time seeing him pull off the nobility the character requires. All joking aside, I would prefer to see Matt Damon or even The Rock over Reynolds as Namor, if we had to choose.

04-05-2005, 02:57 PM

Maybe Ryan Reynolds will become like Nicholas "waugghhh, give me a comic book movie" Cage? Associated with every comic book franchise for years before finally settling on one?

Perhaps this is one occasion where BigKid might prefer Matt Damon as Namor to Reynolds? How about it BigKid? If the choices for Namor were narrowed down to either Reynolds or Matt Damon, who would you choose?

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D.K.HOOD

04-05-2005, 03:24 PM

I'm having trouble seeing Reynolds as Namor also. He may have gotten buff for Blade III but his voice is still kind of high pitched. Not what I expect Namor to sound like at all.

Bigkid

04-06-2005, 11:32 AM

Hey everybody! Well, much to my surprise, THIS topic was at the top of the page when I clicked onto "General Discussion", but I'm glad it was.......so I didn't have to go scrolling ALL THE WAY TO THE BOTTOM to bring it back! ;-)

I would agree with all of you guys, I would find it hard to imagine Ryan Reynolds as the noble, aristocratic, yet fiery Lord of the Seven Seas. However, the fiery lord part I could see him doing, since I saw him in Blade 3. The trick question that has been put to me here by WELSHY, wether I'd pick Reynolds over Damon........ hmmmm.. yeah, RIGHT, like I'd HAVE to give THAT one some thought! Reynolds over Damon any day of the week! From a business standpoint, it's not a bad idea, considering that he's gaining momentum as a leading man, and he seems to be gaining popularity. But, ultimately, my personal feeling is, is that he's not really right for the role, although I have to admit that physically the guy could probably pull it off. Plus, he's a pretty decent actor..... but I really believe that if they wanted to go with someone who was more closer to the role, this actor really dosen't fit what I remember Namor looking like from the comics. But, remember, hair and make-up people can transform just about ANYBODY into ANYTHING. Karl Urban, I feel, or even Justin Theroux, for that matter, are closer in look to Sub-Mariner then Reynolds is. Let's just hope that Urban, in the next few films that he winds up doing, winds up going thru the roof, and the folks at Universal stand up and take notice.

04-06-2005, 02:13 PM

BigKid - I don't know where you get Justin Theroux from as a potential choice. Sure, he's darker than Reynolds (or Namor Damon http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/biggrin.gif ), but I can't really see him as Subby at all. I remember him from the first season of The District - he didn't really seem all that Namor-like to me. Even if he bulked up for the role, he just doesn't seem like leading-man material to me, and would probably look ridiculous in speedoes. He's a bit more geeky. If you've ever seen his cousin, Louis Theroux (who does various tv presenting), you'd get even more a sense of the geekiness of the Theroux family. Not exactly much to choose from, between Reynolds or Theroux.

Your best bet for Namor is... well, you probably know what I'm going to say! http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/wink.gif

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D.K.HOOD

04-06-2005, 05:58 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Welshcat:
BigKid - I don't know where you get Justin Theroux from as a potential choice. Sure, he's darker than Reynolds (or Namor Damon http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/biggrin.gif ), but I can't really see him as Subby at all. I remember him from the first season of The District
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Don't forget, Theroux was also the lunatic ex-boyfriend from Charlie's Angels 2. He seemed pretty intimidating in that role to me, but I'm not sure if he has the physical stature that fans would be looking for with Namor.

And since you mentioned The District, what about Jonathan LaPaglia? Okay, this guy won't be winning any acting awards anytime soon, but he is built like a football player and people are somewhat familiar with his face. He did have his own television series for a couple of years ("Seven Days"), and he also co-starred in New York:Undercover.

And just to throw another random name out there, how about Bailey Chase? He was on Buffy for a season as one of the Initiative members who was best friends with Riley. Everytime I see this guy I think he should play a superhero. Maybe he's not dark enough for Namor, but he might be right for Captain America.

Bigkid

04-06-2005, 06:15 PM

Just wanted to say thanks to D.K. for pointing out the role that made me think of Justin Theroux..... which, by the way, was pointed out by someone else....... I can't take credit for the choice of that actor, because somebody else here on these boards came up with him, and I remember doing the "google" thing, when I didn't see Charlie's Angels: Full Throttle, I wanted to see who this guy was. I thought that he REALLY looked the role of Namor when I got to see the film (which I couldn't STAND), and I thought he could be very intriguing as Namor. You'll all have noticed that I've sort of "taken my foot off the gas", so to speak, when throwing out Hugh Jackman for the role. I just don't think he'd be going for it at this stage of his career, quite frankly. He's coming back in X-Men 3 as Logan and will be getting his own spin-off as Wolverine in another film, so I don't think he'd even WANT the role of Sub-Mariner even if it was offered to him. He's got a full plate right now.

Bigkid

04-06-2005, 06:32 PM

After taking a few hours to think as to why Avi Arad would've thought of Ryan Reynolds to play Subby, I came up with 2, I think, noteworthy reasons why:

A). For starters, it's like I said before, he's becoming a VERY wanted leading man in Hollywood, and the business aspect comes into play. Now that he's worked in a Marvel project, Arad has had time to get to know him, and since he's already balked at the idea to return in a spinoff of Blade: Trinity as Hannibal King again, maybe THIS is a role that they want to secure him in for another Marvel project. That's for one....and for 2

B). I think it might have something to do with the script. And where it's set. If any of you guys have ever read the first few years of the Sub-Mariner's comics (going back to the Golden Age, of the 1940's), Namor was a young, wise-cracking youth who had a nasty young temper.

I'm thinking that, perhaps they are trying, in the script, anyway, to capture that youthful Namor from that time line..... a young wise ass who could tear apart a Nazi Submarine with his bare hands while cracking wise at that same time. I believe that Avad probably saw this strength in Reynolds after his performance as Hannibal King in Blade 3.
Now this is not to say that the screenwriter is putting the storyline during the WW2 years, but it's possible..... if that is, indeed, the reason that they've got Reynolds in mind for the role of Sub-Mariner. A classic Namor line from that time goes something like this:

Nazi: "You'll get these blue prints.....over my dead body!"
Namor: "Any way you want it pal....but I'm taking those blueprints......NOW!"
(as he delivers a smash to the chops of the Nazi).

I can see Reynolds delivering lines like that throughout the film.... but it sort of takes away the aspect of The Sub-Mariner being this noble, aristocratic Prince of the deep, dosen't it?? But that WAS the way Namor was portrayed back in the day!

04-06-2005, 06:58 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by D.K.HOOD:
Don't forget, Theroux was also the lunatic ex-boyfriend from Charlie's Angels 2. He seemed pretty intimidating in that role to me, but I'm not sure if he has the physical stature that fans would be looking for with Namor.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I never bothered to watch Charlie's Angels 2 - I had enough with the first one. I did see Theroux in early episodes of Alias Season 3 though, and he had that silly fake British accent and stupid haircut. I don't really see he has that regal stature about him.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>
And since you mentioned The District, what about Jonathan LaPaglia? Okay, this guy won't be winning any acting awards anytime soon, but he is built like a football player and people are somewhat familiar with his face. He did have his own television series for a couple of years ("Seven Days"), and he also co-starred in New York:Undercover. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

LaPaglia actually does have the sort of build that Namor should have. He might not be bad, but I can't imagine Namor speaking with his voice. Plus LaPaglia's nose is a bit on the pointy side. Maybe his brother Anthony could play Attuma? http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/biggrin.gif

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04-06-2005, 07:04 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Bigkid:
After taking a few hours to think as to why Avi Arad would've thought of Ryan Reynolds to play Subby, I came up with 2, I think, noteworthy reasons why:

A). For starters, it's like I said before, he's becoming a VERY wanted leading man in Hollywood, and the business aspect comes into play. Now that he's worked in a Marvel project, Arad has had time to get to know him, and since he's already balked at the idea to return in a spinoff of Blade: Trinity as Hannibal King again, maybe THIS is a role that they want to secure him in for another Marvel project. That's for one....and for 2

B). I think it might have something to do with the script. And where it's set. If any of you guys have ever read the first few years of the Sub-Mariner's comics (going back to the Golden Age, of the 1940's), Namor was a young, wise-cracking youth who had a nasty young temper.

I'm thinking that, perhaps they are trying, in the script, anyway, to capture that youthful Namor from that time line..... a young wise ass who could tear apart a Nazi Submarine with his bare hands while cracking wise at that same time. I believe that Avad probably saw this strength in Reynolds after his performance as Hannibal King in Blade 3.
Now this is not to say that the screenwriter is putting the storyline during the WW2 years, but it's possible..... if that is, indeed, the reason that they've got Reynolds in mind for the role of Sub-Mariner. A classic Namor line from that time goes something like this:

Nazi: "You'll get these blue prints.....over my dead body!"
Namor: "Any way you want it pal....but I'm taking those blueprints......NOW!"
(as he delivers a smash to the chops of the Nazi).

I can see Reynolds delivering lines like that throughout the film.... but it sort of takes away the aspect of The Sub-Mariner being this noble, aristocratic Prince of the deep, dosen't it?? But that WAS the way Namor was portrayed back in the day!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Reynolds might be able to deliver lines like that, but is that what most people think of when they think of Namor?

The Namor we see on film should be the most classic and familiar version, just like in the Hulk movie, he wasn't grey even though he looked like that originally, or spoke fairly fluent english and not "Hulk smash" type dialogue.

Since I saw Reynolds before he ever starred in Blade, I saw him as a potential candidate for Johnny Storm. He still seems more that type to me, so that can't be good if Namor is more like the Human Torch. A Reynolds Namor might also be more Americanised and less arrogant and full of himself than another actor more suited to the role. I don't want that. I want to see a Namor who could also blur the line between anti-hero and villain. Now, while someone like Billy Zane may not be all the rage at the moment, his sort of personality is the quality I want to see in the actor who does play Namor.

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Bigkid

04-06-2005, 10:26 PM

Great points, WELSHY! I think you're starting to make me think on this a little bit more. I know what you mean about making Namor more along the lines of the Sub-Mariner that we remember from the 60's and 70's: Arrogant, angry, noble, regal, and sometimes really villainous....not a wise ass. But, a lot of folks over the years (and especially on these boards), have forever stated that a Sub-Mariner film CAN'T work because he never could carry his own book, he's not that well known of a character, etc. etc. So I'm just thinking that in order to get out to a more appealing audience, that David Self may have written a screenplay that shows Namor (in his youth), to be this sharp tounged, pointy eared wise guy with a bad temper. And then maybe do a "through the years" thing, showing the passage of time, and show him as a more mature, yet still, hot tempered individual. However, I don't think that Reynolds will fit THAT mold when they show Namor reaching adulthood. They'd have to have 2 actors in the roles, of course. I DO hope that they don't abandon hope and just go for an actor JUST for the sake of hoping for BIG BOX OFFICE.

(Just as a sidebar here: Ryan Reynolds and The Rock are going to be playing in a film called Ride Along together. 2 guys vying for the role of The Avenging Son.....in the same film together! How weird is THAT??)

D.K.HOOD

04-07-2005, 12:49 PM

I don't know if anyone else saw the trailer for Amityville Horror when they saw Sin City, but that may be the reason Ryan Reynolds is being considered for the role of Namor. Maybe there's something about his performance in that movie that's generated a "buzz" in Hollywood.

Then again, it could just be what BigKid said about Avi Arad getting to know Reynolds when they were making Blade Trinity. Either way, I still don't think he could ever be right for the 60's/70's Namor.

As for Matt Damon, if this were an animated film I'd have no problem with him as Namor.

04-07-2005, 02:07 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by D.K.HOOD:
As for Matt Damon, if this were an animated film I'd have no problem with him as Namor. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh, I'm sure Matt Damon would bring much animation to his portrayal of Namor if he landed the part. Just think how animated he was in the Talented Mr Damon, or the Namor Identity. And if ever there was confirmation that he belongs in the sea, just think of him in Ocean's 11. http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/biggrin.gif

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04-08-2005, 11:48 AM

Well Ryan Reynolds seems to have clarified at the premiere of Amityville Horror that he has NOT been officially offered the role of Namor.

Not that it's saying much - I didn't think he had been anyway. It doesn't refute anything about whether he's been approached for the role or not though.

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D.K.HOOD

04-08-2005, 12:54 PM

Yep, Reynolds says that Arad just asked him how he felt about the Sub-Mariner and didn't really offer it to him. He also said the Flash offer is legitimate. He does seem to fit the Wally West profile. I'm kind of surprised by the fact that Reynolds was actually asked by a reporter about the Sub-Mariner and Deadpool during red carpet event. I think this shows how far comic book movies have come in Hollywood when characters that aren't American icons are getting press attention.

Bigkid

04-11-2005, 01:42 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Welshcat:
 Oh, I'm sure Matt Damon would bring much animation to his portrayal of Namor if he landed the part. Just think how animated he was in the Talented Mr Damon, or the Namor Identity. And if ever there was confirmation that he belongs in the sea, just think of him in Ocean's 11. http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/biggrin.gif

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WELSHY!
Very good with the play on wordsmanship! Kudos to YOU!

Bigkid

04-11-2005, 01:45 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by D.K.HOOD:
Yep, Reynolds says that Arad just asked him how he felt about the Sub-Mariner and didn't really offer it to him. He also said the Flash offer is legitimate. He does seem to fit the Wally West profile. I'm kind of surprised by the fact that Reynolds was actually asked by a reporter about the Sub-Mariner and Deadpool during red carpet event. I think this shows how far comic book movies have come in Hollywood when characters that aren't American icons are getting press attention. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

D.K.!
Yep, that's a great point! Comic book characters are getting a LOT more attention now, more so then ever. Never in this "fan of Sub-Mariner's" wildest dreams did I ever think that so much information about a Namor film would generate even this little bit of interest. But it's nice to hear.

Bigkid

04-11-2005, 01:49 PM

This past weekend, they were running the wheels off of "Van Helsing". I really think Jackman would be great in the role. I know I seem to keep going back to this point, but he's really terrific. But, my guess is, is that he wouldn't accept it if it was offered to him. Maybe the guy who played Kate Beckinsale's brother in this flick could work as Namor, too, however? Anybody know this guy's name?? Every time I tried to check the credits at the end, they'd shrink them down while they did a "behind the scenes" interviewing thing with the cast and crew about the movie. I couldn't get the guy's name! Anybody have any idea?? Please.......SHARE!

D.K.HOOD

04-11-2005, 02:42 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Bigkid:
This past weekend, they were running the wheels off of "Van Helsing". I really think Jackman would be great in the role. I know I seem to keep going back to this point, but he's really terrific. But, my guess is, is that he wouldn't accept it if it was offered to him. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

A couple of years ago think I would have been against the idea of Jackman as another Marvel character simply because he's Wolverine to me, but seeing him in other movies and clips of him on stage in musicals I think he's proven that he'll never be pegged down as one Wolverine. And actually, I think if he played Namor it might help him not be stereotyped as Wolverine.

04-11-2005, 02:58 PM

I would still rather have someone else than Jackman for Namor. A fresh face instead of Jackman doing the rounds on another superhero. It helps to distinguish the characters from one another.

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Bigkid

04-11-2005, 05:33 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by D.K.HOOD:
A couple of years ago think I would have been against the idea of Jackman as another Marvel character simply because he's Wolverine to me, but seeing him in other movies and clips of him on stage in musicals I think he's proven that he'll never be pegged down as one Wolverine. And actually, I think if he played Namor it might help him not be stereotyped as Wolverine. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

D.K.!
Very good point, Mr. Hood. Which is what I meant....he really is a heluvan actor. He might be able to make you forget that he's one Marvel character playing ANOTHER one. However, people have stated on these boards in the past, that the Sub-Mariner strip wasn't that well known of a title by today's comic reading audience, even though he's been around over 65 years. I don't think people would be saying, "Hey, what is it with Marvel, can't they get other actors to play other characters in their stable??" I think he'd be really able to disappear into the skin of Namor, and make us forget that he was Wolverine as well.

Bigkid

04-11-2005, 05:40 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Welshcat:
I would still rather have someone else than Jackman for Namor. A fresh face instead of Jackman doing the rounds on another superhero. It helps to distinguish the characters from one another.

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MR.CAT!
And that's a great point as well, but I think, for example, Sean Connery playing James Bond, and then many moons later, playing in The League of Extroardinary Gentlemen didn't have people griping or complaining that, "James Bond was playing so-and-so". Or how about (and I think this is a BETTER example, actually), Patrick Stewart, Prof. Charles Xavier himself, making the seamless transition from one pop iconic figure (Capt Picard of Star Trek: The Next Generation), to another in the X-Men films? I just feel that, no matter HOW MANY of these comic book-styled characters that these actors play, if you are a good enough actor, it won't be that big of a deal in the long run. Maybe at the end of their careers, people could then look back and say, "Oh yeah! That guy was ALWAYS playing comic book characters!" If the actor in question is GOOD ENOUGH..... people won't really give it much of a thought while it's happening.

04-11-2005, 07:02 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Bigkid:
 MR.CAT!
And that's a great point as well, but I think, for example, Sean Connery playing James Bond, and then many moons later, playing in The League of Extroardinary Gentlemen didn't have people griping or complaining that, "James Bond was playing so-and-so". Or how about (and I think this is a BETTER example, actually), Patrick Stewart, Prof. Charles Xavier himself, making the seamless transition from one pop iconic figure (Capt Picard of Star Trek: The Next Generation), to another in the X-Men films? I just feel that, no matter HOW MANY of these comic book-styled characters that these actors play, if you are a good enough actor, it won't be that big of a deal in the long run. Maybe at the end of their careers, people could then look back and say, "Oh yeah! That guy was ALWAYS playing comic book characters!" If the actor in question is GOOD ENOUGH..... people won't really give it much of a thought while it's happening.

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Yeah, but Patrick Stewart didn't make the leap from playing Captain Kirk to playing Captain Picard, within the same franchise. Now, granted that Namor isn't part of X-Men, it still is a Marvel franchise. But that wasn't really my point anyway, whether or not he plays 2 different characters from Marvel. My point was really that I'd like to see a fresh face instead of Jackman, as someone I can immediately identify as Namor.

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Bigkid

04-12-2005, 11:51 AM

Ok, I can see that point. But, and I don't want to keep repeating myself here at the sake of starting to bore everyone, I feel that the fact that Jackman IS as good an actor as he is, he could quite possibly be good enough to make yourself say, "Oh wow. He really IS Namor! I wasn't distracted at all." But, then again, maybe I could be wrong....maybe this franchise DOES need somebody else in order to give it a different identity from the X-Men. That I could understand as well.

So far, my choices for Namor have been:

A). Hugh Jackman
B). Karl Urban
C). The Rock
D). Jim Caviezal

Those have been my top 4 choices for as long as we've been talking about this, not to mention other "honorable mentions" that I've tossed out there (or that have been hinted at), such as Justin Theroux. I've just liked talking about this character in general ANYWAY! So everybody......Please........SHARE.....and feel free to give your views as to who Sub-Mariner should be! REMEMBER: It's just been revealed that Ryan Reynolds is NOT in the running.

D.K.HOOD

04-12-2005, 12:15 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Bigkid:

So far, my choices for Namor have been:

B). Karl Urban
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Inspired casting Bigkid! He wasn't even on my radar as someone I'd consider for Namor but I'm glad you put his name out there. Most people will remember him from the last two Lord of The Rings movies, and if you look around on the net you might find pictures of him as Cupid from Xena, but first saw him on Xena as Julius Caesar, and he was pretty damn good in the role, as he was in LOTR.

04-12-2005, 12:39 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Bigkid:

So far, my choices for Namor have been:

E). Matt Damon
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Inspired casting Bigkid! He wasn't even on my radar as someone I'd consider for Namor but I'm glad you put his name out there. Most people will remember him from the last two Bourne Identity movies, and if you look around on the net you might find pictures of him as Ripley from The Talented Mr Damon, but first saw him in the Rainmaker, and he was pretty damn good in the role, as he was in Ocean's 11.

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norrinraad

04-12-2005, 01:38 PM

Ya know, if some casting director without a sense of humour sees this and draws the conclusion that this is what the fans really want and actually casts Damon, Welshcat better hide under his bed. Bigkid may just buy a ticket to Wales and head over to the UK to throttle ya!

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04-12-2005, 02:52 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by norrinraad:
Ya know, if some casting director without a sense of humour sees this and draws the conclusion that this is what the fans really want and actually casts Damon, Welshcat better hide under his bed. Bigkid may just buy a ticket to Wales and head over to the UK to throttle ya!

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Or even thank me? http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/wink.gif

...because perhaps it is what the fans want. http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/tongue.gif

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D.K.HOOD

04-12-2005, 03:09 PM

I'm dispatching my associate "AmericanMutt" to have a nice, friendly "discussion" with Mr. Welschcat. The two of them can have a chat about their favorite Matt Damon movie roles. AmericanMutt is particularly fond of Matt Damon's role as a golfer in Bagger Vance, and he says he's looking forward to getting Welschcat alone on the golf course and introducing him to his Nine Iron. Perhaps after they've had a brutal "discussion" for several hours on the course Welschcat will be so tired of Matt Damon's name that the mere mention of it will cause him to shake violently. Hopefully then we won't have to fear anymore posts about Damon as Namor being taken seriously by a casting director.

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Roughneck

04-12-2005, 06:11 PM

Am I the only person who thinks the Rock would make a better Luke Cage than he would Namor?

norrinraad

04-13-2005, 08:30 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Roughneck:
Am I the only person who thinks the Rock would make a better Luke Cage than he would Namor?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I would be inclined to agree with you. Luke Cage was described in the comics as being 300 lbs of solid muscle, so The Rock would fit the bill. He's also one of the few actors working who can convincingly pull off a "street" image. Most mainstream actors come across suspiciously like transplanted suburban jocks, and The Rock refreshingly breaks that mold.

Namor needs to be more lithe, with a physique that looks convincingly like it could flourish in the ocean. He needs to be more lean and toned, with a "swimmer's build". That disqualifies The Rock. They need to find someone not quite as bulky, who could convincingly play royalty as well.

Bigkid

04-13-2005, 11:47 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by D.K.HOOD:
Inspired casting Bigkid! He wasn't even on my radar as someone I'd consider for Namor but I'm glad you put his name out there. Most people will remember him from the last two Lord of The Rings movies, and if you look around on the net you might find pictures of him as Cupid from Xena, but first saw him on Xena as Julius Caesar, and he was pretty damn good in the role, as he was in LOTR. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

D.K.!
Why thank you! Yes, I really liked how he stood out in those LOTR films; he really captured the essence of a warrior prince, which is what Namor IS. Even though I've been sort of going on about Jackman, I wouldn't be at all disappointed if they chose Urban to play The Avenging Son.

Bigkid

04-13-2005, 11:50 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by norrinraad:
Ya know, if some casting director without a sense of humour sees this and draws the conclusion that this is what the fans really want and actually casts Damon, Welshcat better hide under his bed. Bigkid may just buy a ticket to Wales and head over to the UK to throttle ya!

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OH NOBLE NORRIN!
Thanks for spelling that one out for T.H.E. CAT! You know something..... I REALLY hope that this dosen't become the case...... a casting director getting a whiff of this and taking it seriously!

Bigkid

04-13-2005, 11:58 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by norrinraad:
 I would be inclined to agree with you. Luke Cage was described in the comics as being 300 lbs of solid muscle, so The Rock would fit the bill. He's also one of the few actors working who can convincingly pull off a "street" image. Most mainstream actors come across suspiciously like transplanted suburban jocks, and The Rock refreshingly breaks that mold.

Namor needs to be more lithe, with a physique that looks convincingly like it could flourish in the ocean. He needs to be more lean and toned, with a "swimmer's build". That disqualifies The Rock. They need to find someone not quite as bulky, who could convincingly play royalty as well. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

AGAIN......OH NOBLE NORRIN!
Yes, but if you look it up, Namor is described (his physical characteristics), as being 6 foot 2 and 320lbs. You can go to the Marvel website, and look up in their directory in their files over there. The Sub-Mariner is really not supposed to have what we refer to as a "swimmer's build" because you have to consider something: It has been mentioned in the comics that Namor's body is meant to withstand "the most crushing depths of the ocean's floor". So I think that ultimately you can get away with an actor who's a fairly big dude in order to get that point across. Also, I know that Karl Urban AND Hugh Jackman are not that size, but both guys are in really great shape(Particularly Jackman), and with lighting, camera angles, and all that stuff, you can certainly make them appear larger than what they are. I know that someone pointed out in this thread a while back that if you look at Olympic swimmers, a lot of those guys are well over 220lbs., yet they are really ripped and have the quote "swimmer's builds."
But for Namor, I DO want an actor who'll be able to convey amazing strength.....for the most part, anybody who get's this role is going to have to seriously hit the gym anyway, wether or not it's The Rock, Jackman or whoever.

norrinraad

04-13-2005, 12:58 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Bigkid:
Yes, but if you look it up, Namor is described (his physical characteristics), as being 6 foot 2 and 320lbs. You can go to the Marvel website, and look up in their directory in their files over there.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ya know, I honestly never knew this! I checked Marvel's site and you're right, he's supposed to be 6'2" 320lbs. I always saw Namor as being a more pumped up version of Peter Parker, with his strength coming more from his mutation than his actual size. Learn something new every day...

This actually opens up more casting possibilities. I still think The Rock is a little too down-to-earth for Namor, who requires more of a larger than life personality. Jackman is too well associated with Wolverine to be effective. We need someone arrogant, physically imposing, and majestic to fill the role, someone believeable as an otherworldly monarch.

There's still really only one logical choice. Matt Damon was born to play Namor! http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/tongue.gif

04-13-2005, 02:47 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by norrinraad:
This actually opens up more casting possibilities. I still think The Rock is a little too down-to-earth for Namor, who requires more of a larger than life personality. Jackman is too well associated with Wolverine to be effective. We need someone arrogant, physically imposing, and majestic to fill the role, someone believeable as an otherworldly monarch.

There's still really only one logical choice. Matt Damon was born to play Namor! http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/tongue.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Which is why I would've gone for someone like Billy Zane as Namor, while he was in his prime. He's arrogant enough, has the build, and can be majestic and well spoken enough to be the Prince of the Seas. He's played a few villains as well, so he'd have that anti-hero part figured out, so that you might not be sure if he's really a hero or a villain, but could switch sides at any moment. In fact, he's better at playing villains. We need an actor like that - who seems more of a villain, and therefore creates this slight tension and ambiguity in the viewer's minds because he seems like a villain doing heroic deeds.

Of course, a Norrin says, Matt Damon seems Bourne for the Ocean! http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/biggrin.gif

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Bigkid

04-18-2005, 02:31 PM

What we all have to remember is this, as well: That Universal needs to cast an actor that an audience will forgive for trying to destroy US! That's right, we keep forgetting that quite possibly for most of this film, that they are going to focus on Namor's disdain for humanity in general. So how will audiences actually ROOT for him?? We have to assume that an audience watching is going to want The Sub-Mariner to be on OUR side as much as possible.......however, for those folks who never read this comic, they have to understand that that was a big thing about The Sub-Mariner strip: That he was probably comic-dom's FIRST anti-hero...and that whoever they do decide to go with when they cast this, is going to have to have people really like him EVEN when he is being his most vicious (and arrogant) towards us.....HUMANS. A likeable anti-hero type to play Namor.......hmmm...makes it even MORE interesting as to who they are going to choose for this finally, huh??

D.K.HOOD

04-18-2005, 11:06 PM

You brought up a good point Bigkid. When Namor makes himself known to the people of the world, they basically view him as an eco-terrorist. It would take a mighty good script with the right actor and director to sell that to audiences. They should probably focus more on Namor being the ultimate badass trying to protect his turf. Audiences love badasses, whether they're good or bad.

Also, I'm sure this question has been asked before but should Namor fly in the movie or not? And if he does fly, should the ankle wings be there?

Bigkid

04-19-2005, 09:34 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by D.K.HOOD:
You brought up a good point Bigkid. When Namor makes himself known to the people of the world, they basically view him as an eco-terrorist. It would take a mighty good script with the right actor and director to sell that to audiences. They should probably focus more on Namor being the ultimate badass trying to protect his turf. Audiences love badasses, whether they're good or bad.

Also, I'm sure this question has been asked before but should Namor fly in the movie or not? And if he does fly, should the ankle wings be there? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

D.K.!
Thanks for the props! As for whether or not Sub-Mariner should fly (i.e. the ankle wings), even though I'm a huge fan of Namor's, I do tend to wonder myself if the ankle wings will translate well to film. I think it's all in the manner of the way they approach it. In an early Sub-Mariner story that I read years ago from the 40's, Namor's ankle wings are sort of discovered when he's a youngster. He's playing with a group of friends, and someone notices the wings before Namor actually does. At first, it frightens him, but then he's able to use the wings to be able to not only take him to the surface world, but he's able to fly in the surface world's airspace. This gives Namor more of a sense of power and ability to be able to "lord over", if you will, the surface dwellers who he seems to be having a hard time with. I think Chris Columbus, who's directing this film (from last that's been reported, anyway), will be, I'm sure, looking at every aspect and angle of this, and he'll make the determination if this is something that can work. As weird as this is going to sound (being such a big Subby fan), I think I could be able to deal with it if they decided to make him flightless. It's something that's been part of this comic for years, but it just might not be able to translate well to the big screen. They are making this a "Star Wars underwater," however, so maybe they can make this fit by showing OTHER strange humanoid type creatures under the sea with similarities.

04-19-2005, 11:04 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Bigkid:
 D.K.!
Thanks for the props! As for whether or not Sub-Mariner should fly (i.e. the ankle wings), even though I'm a huge fan of Namor's, I do tend to wonder myself if the ankle wings will translate well to film. I think it's all in the manner of the way they approach it. In an early Sub-Mariner story that I read years ago from the 40's, Namor's ankle wings are sort of discovered when he's a youngster. He's playing with a group of friends, and someone notices the wings before Namor actually does. At first, it frightens him, but then he's able to use the wings to be able to not only take him to the surface world, but he's able to fly in the surface world's airspace. This gives Namor more of a sense of power and ability to be able to "lord over", if you will, the surface dwellers who he seems to be having a hard time with. I think Chris Columbus, who's directing this film (from last that's been reported, anyway), will be, I'm sure, looking at every aspect and angle of this, and he'll make the determination if this is something that can work. As weird as this is going to sound (being such a big Subby fan), I think I could be able to deal with it if they decided to make him flightless. It's something that's been part of this comic for years, but it just might not be able to translate well to the big screen. They are making this a "Star Wars underwater," however, so maybe they can make this fit by showing OTHER strange humanoid type creatures under the sea with similarities.

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You know, if you can make concessions and compromises about Namor's ankle wings and his ability to fly, that means that you can't be entirely opposed to making a concession of the Damon kind when it comes to casting! http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/wink.gif

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Bigkid

04-19-2005, 05:06 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Welshcat:
 You know, if you can make concessions and compromises about Namor's ankle wings and his ability to fly, that means that you can't be entirely opposed to making a concession of the Damon kind when it comes to casting! http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/wink.gif

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WELSHY!
"The" Damon?? What....... you think he's SOOO good that he should be referred to as "The" Damon?? What is he...like Donald Trump, being referred to like "The" Donald??
I'm not entirely up to just chucking the idea of the ankle wings, I'd like to be able to figure out how they'd utilize it in the film. The way they did it in the comics, when he makes it as a discovery that at first startles him...... I think using THAT concept can make for a lot of fun in the film. And then how he will then realize how useful the gift of flight is. Remember: He's living under the sea, I'm not too certain Namor even realizes about the world above him.... the sky, birds in the air, airplanes, etc.