Trek References in X2

[swingerbone]

Some people point out Patrick Stewart's monologue with a space scene as a reference...


Look at the name of the actor who plays Ronnie Drake (Bobby's Brother) .... James Kirk (I)

How weird is that?

[D.K.HOOD]

James Kirk? Man that is erie.

Ok here's what I noticed when watching X2. I believe that Singer added elements of Star Trek II:The Wrath Of Khan into this film and here's why(Spoilers!!):

A villain(Stryker,Khan) from a hero's past(Wolverine or Xavier,Kirk) returns for vengeance.

He kidnaps a member of the team/crew (Cyclops,Chekov) and uses mind control on them (neural drug on back of neck,alien worm that enters the ear).

Then you have the impending doom(Jean has nightmares that something bad is going to happen, Kirk Spock and Bones keep talking about life and death).

Noble sacrifice to save friends (Jean saves X-Men, Spock saves Enterprise).

Leader has moment to give you hope(Kirk looking at the Genesis planet through view screen and smiling, Xavier looking out the window and smiles).

Fallen Hero gives monologue at the end while camera pans environment(Spock with outer space shot, Jean with shot of the lake).

[The Amazing Crappo]

The Star Trek II thing was pretty blatant....but still really cool. Was it just me, or did the music sound similar to the Wrath of Khan score as well? Kahn is in my top 10 movies of all time....

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My common sense is tingling....

[D.K.HOOD]

And let's not forget the truly obvious stuff like Patrick Stewart being in both franchises and characters named Dr. McCoy.

[imported_Thom]

Yeah, I've been pointing out the Star Trek II references to people. I really liked them all... You know, it's a classic tale of sacrifice and it works in both contexts.

[themanwithoutfear]

sorry i'm just a comic geek not a star trek nerd.

....also i love me the white women....

[D.K.HOOD]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by themanwithoutfear:
<B>sorry i'm just a comic geek not a star trek nerd.

....also i love me the white women....</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You don't have to be a trekkie to appreciate a good tv show like Star Trek The Next Generation or a good movie like Star Trek II. Both are widely considered to be some of the best material that the franchise has produced.

[themanwithoutfear]

lol..it was a joke D.K.... you should know that....lol

i dunno..i'll watch the original show once in awhile and i don't mind next gen once in awhile...(i'm not a trekkie at all and really dont know the lore)
also reember watchin some of the films with my dad as a kid....
i've had an itch though to go and watch them again though as i havent seen them in years but the movie channel ( in canada) has played the one where kirk gets sent to a jail planet for killing a klingon higher up.

though i did want to see the newest star trek film cuz it just looked fuckin cool when i seen the trailer..never got out to see it though..


so yeah it was a joke..go to a convention...you'll see us comics geeks milling about alongside trekkies...lol


also that movie trekkies kicked ass.

[D.K.HOOD]

I read Harry's(aint it cool news) review for X2 and he makes the same comparison to Star Trek II. I'm not sure how to feel about that since Harry is not one of my favorite people in the world.

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[WC]

Well, there's not just the Star Trek II references, there is also a similarity between X2 and Star Trek Nemesis, with Data sacrificing himself at the end of that movie to save the ship, and Patrick Stewart in both films having to deal with it and move on in the aftermath. With 2 films in a row where people close to Patrick Stewart's characters have died, he must be feeling quite a traumatised man.

Had the Beast been part of the ensemble cast, perhaps Jean Grey could have imprinted her personality into Dr McCoy, as Spock did in Star Trek II.

Jean Grey's monologue at the end of the film is also similar to Spock's monologue (about the Final Frontier) at the end of Star Trek II, as a kind of self-elegy to be remembered by.

I guess the Drake family cat could seem like Data's cat, Spot, who appeared throughout the series and in Star Trek Generations and Nemesis. The cat should've had a larger role though! http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/frown.gif

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Meoww! Send in the clowns!

[This message has been edited by Welshcat (edited 05-09-2003).]

[D.K.HOOD]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Welshcat:
<B>Had the Beast been part of the ensemble cast, perhaps Jean Grey could have imprinted her personality into Dr McCoy, as Spock did in Star Trek II.
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LOL! I actually thought about that before and wondered why Singer didn't have the psychic repore between Scott and Jean that exists in the comics and the animated shows. That would have been another chance for him to add a Star Trek similarity.

[WC]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by D.K.HOOD:
<B> LOL! I actually thought about that before and wondered why Singer didn't have the psychic repore between Scott and Jean that exists in the comics and the animated shows. That would have been another chance for him to add a Star Trek similarity.

</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I seem to have a vague recollection there was something like that in the first X Men film. I could be wrong as I haven't seen it since it came out, but I thought there was a scene there.

And of course the whole Mystique/shapeshifter scenario is similar to the Changelings in Deep Space Nine.

Incidently, I wonder now if some magazine writer stuck for ideas will be scouring these boards and will pick up on this thread. Then we'll suddenly see a whole article in a magazine dedicated to Trek similarities, made out as if the writer thought it up all himself when in fact the members here actually came up with the ideas. I think that happened before when the first film came out and other Trek similarites merely between the characters were discussed. An article suddenly surfaced in a magazine. And then of course there was a magazine article directly copied from a Comics2Film news article (but not credited) about the then-rumoured villain for X2 (Wlliam Stryker, who had been revealed in law cases during the litigation between Fox and Marvel regarding X-Men and Mutant X). I know it was DEFINITELY copied, because I sent Robbo that article in the first place, since I discovered Stryker's name as the villain before it was even publicly revealed, from having to study that case as part of my legal studies.


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Meoww! Send in the clowns!

[imported_Thom]

Oh, another ST comparison... In Wrath of Khan, Khan refers to Kirk as his 'old friend'. I forget if Kirk returns the sarcastic comment, but obviously the 'old friend' line is one heavily used between Xavier and Magneto in the X-Men films.