Spoilers: Question Why Did He KiLL.......

[RaiderX7]

Ok wolvie killed lady death strike. If im not mistaken. which i prob am, isnt she a big part of his past when he went to japan and the hole thing. Just wondering. hope someone can clear this up for me

[Greg Tolken]

Yep, you're correct but it's kinda hard to clear up because the writers of the movie had to alter a few of the comics stories to make them all fit together in this movie. Yuriko--whatever, was a woman Logan met when he went to Japan and they fell in love I believe(please someone, point out any mistakes) and they did get married. But very soon after Logan does something, and she's convinced that he is too dishonorable to be married to. I'm pretty sure her father had something to do with it cause he and Logan were big enemies(I think Logan ends up killing him in a quite honorable way, if I do say so myself). And to make a long story longer, Logan does leave but before he does Yuriko is killed or commits suicide. He buries her and then leaves. She turns out not to have died(of course) and hooks up with the Reaver Bots(aren't those in Mega Man too?) and they turn her into a cyborg implanting adamantium claws. Then she going after Wolverine for like vengence or whatever. There you have it. I'm sure someone else can explain it inmore detail with everything correct but this is just off the top of my head.

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[MarvelKid18]

I think you're pretty much right about most of it. I couldn't give you 100% confirmation, but I think you're right. It kind of makes me think, though.

SPOILER(not that I should have to note it here)

When Yuriko died, she fell out of her trance, and she gave Wolvie this odd look. It was more than a dying look. It was almost as if when she came out of the trance, she recognized him. I think if we do have a Wolverine movie, it would deal a lot with him realizing his past. Maybe he would end up coming to the conclusion that he killed someone he loved. It's a spin, since in the comics knew her after his "operation". For my idea, he'd have to have known her before.

Nevermind, that's an awful idea.

[This message has been edited by MarvelKid18 (edited 05-03-2003).]

[imported_Thom]

No, I think it's a possibility. And here's a thought... Are we 100% sure she's dead-dead? Maybe she's just mostly dead? Or maybe somebody resucitates her and she receives some cybernetic implants to keep her alive?

[D.K.HOOD]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Thom:
No, I think it's a possibility. And here's a thought... Are we 100% sure she's dead-dead? Maybe she's just mostly dead? Or maybe somebody resucitates her and she receives some cybernetic implants to keep her alive?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I was thinking the same thing. Sabertooth and Yuriko are such great villains because of the history they have with Logan. I can't imagine that they are truly dead. However, if they are dead, I can still see them coming back in Wolverine flashbacks for the 3rd film or a Wolverine spinoff.

[kvdp_blade]

Well actually in the March 2003 Edition of Wizard Magizine they had a category titled tralier's in which there was an X-Men 3 category where Tyler Mane (X-Men's Sabretooth) said that he signed on for two MORE X-sequels.

[Essex]

Greg, I think you may be mixing up some of Mariko's story with Yuriko's. Wolverine did kill her father, but it was hardly honourable. Yuriko's father was Lord Darkwinde, the man who invented the adamantium bonding process. After he was implanted with it, Wolverine killed him. That's why comic-Yuriko hated Wolverine so much and sought him out in revenge

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[Greg Tolken]

Okay, thanks a lot for clearing that up. But what I ment by honorable was that Wolvie fought him in some kinda duel deal. I don't know, that was just my impression. And as for Deathstrike coming back, I don't think you could bring her back once she's popped full on adamantium, not even with all the cyber implants in the world. But as for that look, it was cool, I just thought that it could be like a love at first sight but that ended pretty abruptly. It would be very cool to have Loagn remember her in a spinoff.

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[WonderWomanGoddess]

Essex is right about Yuriko's father and the adamantium process. I think in this film version of the story, Styker is supposed to be the one who came up with the process, and instead of being his daughter, she is simply another of his creations and his 'right hand woman'. I think the simply subsitiuted the relationships, which worked for me.

And Mariko did love Wolverine, and the only reason they didn't get married is because of the manipulations of one Mastermind, as he set up the beginning of the Dark Phoenix saga. Mariko left Logan at the alter, dishonoured him in fact, because of the influence of Mastermind, however, when that was revealed and Wolvie was ready to marry her anyway, she refused because of her own honor. She was the true heir to her clan, I can't recall the name, but think Japanese mafia. The Sivler Samurai, her brother in law I beleive, was taking control and befouling her family name after her fathers death. She felt she must take back her family honor before she could marry Logan, and she forbid Logan to go after the Silver Samurai himself. Shortly after, Mariko was murdered, and although I am unsure whether she was killed by the Silver Samurai or not, I do know Logan blamed him and tried to hunt him down and kill him for revenge.

I don't believe that Yuriko and Logan were ever lovers...interestingly, I noticed that in the film they never referred to her as Lady Deathstrike, only Yuriko.

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[Relic]

The6y could easily bring her back in the next movie (if they so decided). She got pumped full of adamantium, sure. But remember, they also gave her a healing factor.

Could easily show a very painfull scene, inwhich all that adamantium is expunged from her body, and she awakens.

Relic

[MarvelKid18]

Oh god... that would be an awful one to watch. Though it would really give people an even stronger idea of how powerful that ability is. That would make 3 metal expulsions all together if they go with a Fatal Attractions type story in the next film.

[beppo_the_super_chim]

yeh I thought the same thing about the healing btu there are a few snags in that idea.

in new x men 114 Logan says that bullets arent always expelled and that he sometimes has to take them out himself before his skin heals around them.

and in ultimate x men 12 (could be 11 actually) Sabretooth says the only way to kill someone with a healing factor is to drown them and that seems to be what is ahppenning to deathstrike.

[SquallEX]

Could somebody clear this up because I'm not too familiar with Deatstrike. Is/was she a mutant or a robot in the comics?

[TheHeretic]

You cant judge what should happen in the movie by what happened or was said in the comic. Its 2 different universes with different rules. If her healind factor is able to expunge the adamantium, then why doesnt it expunge the implants in her fingers? Wolverine would also lose the adamantium lacing on his skeleton and claws. I'd say that she is dead, otherwise logic is thrown to the wind.

[Essex]

I really don't think even a healing factor can save Yuriko...every one of her organs would be brutally crushed. And how can they heal if the adamantium is still hardened around them?

As for Yuriko returning, it could still be done in flashback. Show her as Logan's lover while he's a secret service agent or something. He can be sent to Japan on a long mission to assasinate her father, who could be some important government official. However, he falls in love with his daughter during the mission, but, in the end, chooses his mission over her and kills her father. The end could be her volunteering for the adamantium bonding process so she can get revenge on Wolverine, but Stryker has different plans for her after the process and takes away her memory.

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[Relic]

SquallEx: In the comics she's a cyborg.

The Heratic: You could easily argue that sinse the adamantium was injected into her surgically (I mean come on, do you think that's how they lace their bones?) her body would do it.

Beppo: I thought the only way to kill them was to behead them myself.

Relic

[swingerbone]

Actually... they mention in the commentary that the blood doesn't go in when they heal... so couldn't you bleed him to death?

I'm sure some sicko like Stryker cold design a device that would drain his blood...

Or does the healing factor regenerate glood in the system for the lost blood? This really hasn't been addressed in the movie universe... I just know that blood stays outside the body if he bleeds - hence he has to wipe it off (like when he flies out the windshield in X-Men)

But it is true that the comic and movie universes differ.... so it's kinda hard to speculate, because Singer seems to like modifying comic-lore to be more reality based... if that makes sense.

How would you decapitate Wolverine? He has an adamantium skeleton... and adamantium is indestructable (according to Stryker in X2) so I don't think that can work in the movie Universe.

[Relic]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by swingerbone:
<B>Actually... they mention in the commentary that the blood doesn't go in when they heal... so couldn't you bleed him to death?

I'm sure some sicko like Stryker cold design a device that would drain his blood...

Or does the healing factor regenerate glood in the system for the lost blood? This really hasn't been addressed in the movie universe... I just know that blood stays outside the body if he bleeds - hence he has to wipe it off (like when he flies out the windshield in X-Men)

But it is true that the comic and movie universes differ.... so it's kinda hard to speculate, because Singer seems to like modifying comic-lore to be more reality based... if that makes sense.

How would you decapitate Wolverine? He has an adamantium skeleton... and adamantium is indestructable (according to Stryker in X2) so I don't think that can work in the movie Universe.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I never said it would be easy. And yes, adamantium is almost unbreakable even in the comics. I say only almost because, someone on the level of say Galactus would probably beable to break it.

Relic

[swingerbone]

Anyone know the melting point of Adamantium... or maybe just what temp you have to keep it at after you "process its raw liquid form"? Cause I imagine that it would be quite hot... yet Lady Deathstrike desn't seem to be burned at all, even as the hot liquid metal runs from her eyes, nose, and mouth. Just seems like that would hurt... being scalded from the inside out and all.

[The Xenos]

**spoilers if you don't expect them already**

Just some little things about Yuriko that bugged me. 1) No lines even if she was under the mind control. Felt that Kelly Hu was gyped there. 2) She didn't recinize him or he didn't reconize her. Even a little hint that they knew each other or even better if they were lovers would had added emotion in the scene and added to the mysetery of Wolverine's past.

-Xenos

[Black_Alchemy]

I think the movie version and the comic version have to be considered as two different things. In the film world I don't think the two of them knew each other. She was just his replacement as Stryker's killer agent.

[Warlock1176]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WonderWomanGoddess:
<B>Essex is right about Yuriko's father and the adamantium process. I think in this film version of the story, Styker is supposed to be the one who came up with the process, and instead of being his daughter, she is simply another of his creations and his 'right hand woman'. I think the simply subsitiuted the relationships, which worked for me.

And Mariko did love Wolverine, and the only reason they didn't get married is because of the manipulations of one Mastermind, as he set up the beginning of the Dark Phoenix saga. Mariko left Logan at the alter, dishonoured him in fact, because of the influence of Mastermind, however, when that was revealed and Wolvie was ready to marry her anyway, she refused because of her own honor. She was the true heir to her clan, I can't recall the name, but think Japanese mafia. The Sivler Samurai, her brother in law I beleive, was taking control and befouling her family name after her fathers death. She felt she must take back her family honor before she could marry Logan, and she forbid Logan to go after the Silver Samurai himself. Shortly after, Mariko was murdered, and although I am unsure whether she was killed by the Silver Samurai or not, I do know Logan blamed him and tried to hunt him down and kill him for revenge.

I don't believe that Yuriko and Logan were ever lovers...interestingly, I noticed that in the film they never referred to her as Lady Deathstrike, only Yuriko.

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For my two cents...it was Clan Yashida. And under Mastermind's control they became part of the Yakuza. When Mariko was freed of this control and discovered what had occurred, out of honor she refused to marry Logan until she had honorably divested Clan Yashida of it's underworld connections. The truly tragic part of this was that she accomplished this...when she died.

I believe that Logan first met Lady Deathstryke in battle, then learned her identity. I think her father was actually killed by someone involved in the Weapon X program, not Wolverine. She thinks it was him because he has the adamantium.

Wolverine DID kill Mariko's father, Lord Shingen, and in doing so became champion of Clan Yashida. In becoming champion, Logan now carries the Honor Sword of Clan Yashida, which he gave to the Silver Samurai in exchange for his promise to look after the welfare of his foster daughter, Amiko. I don't know if it was ever returned to him or not.

I think the lover you may be referring to could be Yukio, the Ronin. She shared several adventures with Storm back in the day. Not sure, but that is the connection I'm thinking of.

[WC]

Well apparently Kelly Hu might be signing up for X3, according to Superherohype, so she might not be dead after all, or if she is, she'll be in a flash back.

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[Essex]

Kelly Hu was always signed for X3. She signed a two-picture deal, however, it is still unlikely that she'll be back.

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[Marcelo Gomes]

I think Lady Deathstryke is not dead. I agree that she was SERIOUSLY injured in that fight, but it would make so much sense if she comes back alive, furious with Wolverine... and wanting revenge.

She was a bitch, but she was under Striker´s control, the same way Cyclops, Nightcrawler and even Xavier were. Logan didn´t kill the other guys, right?

I think the adamantium coming out from her eyes, nose and mounth was a great touch - it would explain how she gets that cyborg-look we all love in the comics.

[Ernie_Turbo]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Welshcat:
<B>Well apparently Kelly Hu might be signing up for X3, according to Superherohype, so she might not be dead after all, or if she is, she'll be in a flash back.

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i concur with essex.

remember, tyler mane (sabretooth) and Ray Park (toad) were both signed on for x-2 and they werent used. i think that kelly hu is done with x-men. maybe only to come in as a flashback but thats it. it wouldnt make sense for her to come back. plain and simple she will not be in x-2 (alive)

-Ernie