"We love what you've done with your hair" - Magneto

[Faderaven]

Funny, but completely out of character for Magneto. I guess that's what you get for having a gay actor and director.

[Essex]

Um, did you totally miss something? That wasn't actually a comment about him liking her hair. It was a cruel and downright sadistic reminder to Rogue about how both of them had tried to kill her only a few months earlier.

It was one of the best lines of the entire movie and was perfectly in character.

http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/rolleyes.gif

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"That which does not kill us...makes us stranger." - Trevor Goodchild, Aeon Flux

[D.K.HOOD]

Don't sweat it Essex, assholes usually come out of the woodworks to spoil the fun of decent folk.

This is the second time I've seen a reference to Bryan Singer being gay. If that's true its a surprise to me. Man, if he's gay and a trekkie he must have really gotten grief from people growing up. That may explain why he has such great insight to these characters that are outcasts themselves.

[swingerbone]

I don't see how an actor's lifestyle has to always mean the characters they play share that lifestyle.

McKellan is a great actor... can't he play a character without people assuming the character is gay.

I've been on many boards where people gripe about McKellan, Singer and Cumming. It's really kinda pathetic. They are not there because of their orientation, they are there because they are the best people for the job.



[This message has been edited by swingerbone (edited 05-04-2003).]

[MarvelKid18]

So... McKellen, Singer, and Cumming aren't gay, right? Or am I totally lost?

[Faderaven]

Wow. Talk about overreacting. I don't care if all the actors who play the X-men are gay quite frankly.

I simply thought the remark was very catty. Magneto and Mystique giggling like schoolgirls in their corner of the Blackbird was very out of character. Rogue was a tool to Magneto nothing more. I never thought of Magneto as sadistic. Everything he does is to further his agenda. Antagonizing an X-men who you've recruited enroute to a mission that will affect every mutant on earth is simply bad leadership.

That being said I think it's easy to see two mature gay men coming up with a funny line like that. I just don't think it fits.

[D.K.HOOD]

No no no, Famke and Halle are lesbians. They will be in a spin-off movie called "Rated X-Men".

[MarvelKid18]

That's a REAL generalization. It doesn't take a gay person to come up with a line like that. When I asked that question about the three, I was just curious. Hey, if they're gay, more power to them. I just don't see Alan Cumming or Ian McKellen as gay, let alone Bryan Singer. But if they are, and someone asks me, I don't want to look like an idiot, now do I?

[swingerbone]

McKellan is openly gay.

I've heard that Cumming is bi-sexual.

and I heard rumors a few weeks before X2 came out that Singer was gay.


I'm not positive on Cumming and Singer, but it has been pointed out/rumored(?) by seeming homophobes.

I personally don't care what they do in their personal lives. I think they all delivered in this film. NC was my personal fave. Cumming did a masterful job IMO.

[MarvelKid18]

Ok... I just wanted to be aware. And I agree, gay or not, they were top notch in this film and have been in most anything they do.

[Essex]

Singer is openly gay and Cumming is openly bisexual.

And Magneto NOT sadistic?? Huh? That's a huge part of his character. It wasn't catty. It was cruel. Besides, it was made apparent that Mystique was probably the one to mention it to Magneto first and then he was the one who said it directly to Rogue.

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"That which does not kill us...makes us stranger." - Trevor Goodchild, Aeon Flux

[Faderaven]

Ian, Alan, and Bryan.

ALL GAY. http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/biggrin.gif

Sorry to break the news to you. You can easily verify this on Google. Ian is quite open about this on his website. Alan will soon star in a TV murder-mystery series called 'Mr. and Mr. Nash. I want to check that one out.

[TheHeretic]

In general I pay zero attention to the personal lives of actors. Hell, Im not even concerned with their names except that I like to have the same actor play the same role in sequels. In this spirit I had no info at all on Alan Cummings. I have no idea what other movies hes been in, but he did a damn fine job as NC. The character was much cooler than in the comic.
I also was not aware that Singer and McKellen are rumored to be gay. When Magneto said that line I thought it was funny and perfectly in character. It showed that he is not only dedicated to his cause but he is also cruel, AND on top of all that, it showed that he and Mystique have a deeper relationship than what we have seen. They are friends and are playful and probably even sexual with each other. It was perfect.

[MarvelKid18]

Ok... I don't want to have to keep explaining myself because some jackass thinks it's uber to not care about someones sexual orientation. I care. If I want to go out with a girl and she's a lesbian, hey, that's a pretty big drag if you ask me. ANYWAY.

The only reason I care that any celebrity is gay is for the mere fact that when I don't know, people think I'm a moron. Case in point. I didn't know a certain celebrity was gay, and I guess I never cared much for the topic. Actual conversation I had with my friend.

Friend: "Well I guess Eminem ain't a homophobe."

Me: "Why do you say that?"

Friend: "Because he's performing a song with Elton John."

Me: "What does that have to do anything with him being a homophobe?"

Friend: "Uhhh... cause Elton John is gay."

Me: "Elton John is gay?"

You see? I have like no Gaydar what so ever. I can't even put two and two together in that department. People still give me crap for that to this day.

[This message has been edited by MarvelKid18 (edited 05-04-2003).]

[knack]

It's a great line and yep it's catty, but also a cruel reminder ro Rogue of what happened last time they met. Also I think Magneto thinks the idea of the X-Men, running around in costumes trying to save humans is foolish, so considering the situation I didn't have a problem with it.
And if a gay director or actor can produce kick-ass movies of this caliber, what the hell should you or anyone else care?

[This message has been edited by knack (edited 05-04-2003).]

[Faderaven]

Sorry I have to disagree with a lot of you.

Magneto is not your typical villain. He has a sense of honor and a clear cause. He is willing to kill and sacrifice for his cause but is not a sadistic murderer. Anything contrary to this is bad writing by someone who has limited knowledge of the character's history.

I have spoken.

[imported_leonard]

Actually, in this case, I think that Singer's sexuality adds some extra depth and relevance to the movie. In an interview with the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/films/2003/04/25/bryan_singer_x_men_2_interview.shtml) (from their pretty darn nifty special feature (http://www.bbc.co.uk/films/xmen2/)) he brings up a really good point about discrimination and about homosexuality/homophobia in particular:

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>
... a gay kid doesn't discover he or she is gay until around puberty. And their parents aren't gay necessarily, and their classmates aren't, and they feel truly alone in the world and have to find, sometimes never find, a way to live.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That isn't to say the whole X-men/mutant analogy doesn't apply to teenage alienation/angst in general, but thinking about, I agree that it's especially pointed in relation to sexual identity.

One of the great things about comics, and sci-fi/fantasy in general is the relative freedom one has in discussing such topics (whether directly or via metaphor) in ways that otherwise would either not be allowed, or dismissed out of hand. The deeper thematic issues also seem to highlight why the X-Men (and most of the classic Marvel characters in general) are so beloved.

I suspect that this is one of the aspects that Singer might find really appealing. Which, as long as the movies continue to kick as much ass as X2, is great for X-Men fans. I'd be happy to see the same cast and crew making X-men sequels for the next decade or so at least. Bring on the frickin' Sentinels! http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/smile.gif

[Ernie_Turbo]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by D.K.HOOD:
<B>

This is the second time I've seen a reference to Bryan Singer being gay. If that's true its a surprise to me. Man, if he's gay and a trekkie he must have really gotten grief from people growing up. That may explain why he has such great insight to these characters that are outcasts themselves.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

he is gay, i have seen him alk about it on tv, plus he's a trekkie. and jewish.......not that theres anything wrong with that.

-this has been Ernie Turbo http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/hulkout.gif

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[D.K.HOOD]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Faderaven:
I have spoken.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

So what. Who are you, General Zod or something?

Anyway, I'm kind of divided on that scene because I thought the line was very funny and cruel at the same time, but the giggling did seem a little out character. It has nothing to do with whether he was gay or not, it just seemed a little childish for a man of Magneto's age. But your comments that the sexual orientation of McKellan and Singer had influence on that scene is just plain ignorant.

[MarvelKid18]

Agreed.

[Essex]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Faderaven:
<B>Sorry I have to disagree with a lot of you.

Magneto is not your typical villain. He has a sense of honor and a clear cause. He is willing to kill and sacrifice for his cause but is not a sadistic murderer. Anything contrary to this is bad writing by someone who has limited knowledge of the character's history.

I have spoken.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sure, it's not like he ripped out all the metal from Wolverine's body and left him for dead when it would've been easier to just restrain him...sadistic? Naw, you're right. I've never seen Magneto be sadistic.

"I have spoken"? Don't be a fuckin moron, newb. Everyone else here seems to be able to disagree while still retaining a semblance of decency. That was just idiotic.

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"That which does not kill us...makes us stranger." - Trevor Goodchild, Aeon Flux

[MarvelKid18]

Ha ha. Newb. That word is always funny.

[swingerbone]

Magneto is indeed sadistic even in this movie: he blows up all those soldiers when he pulls the pins on the grenades (that was *so* cool by the way)

[MarvelKid18]

I think they were Flash Grenades, which COULD kill at that close range, but I'm not so sure it killed them... had they been regular grenades, you would have seen quite a bloody mess when they walked through. That's ok, though. They probably all drowned anyway, so they're pretty much dead.

[imported_Robbo]

I agree that the remark seemed out of character (although not with the suggestion that the lifestyles of the actors or directors had anything to do with it). I think it was an attempt to remind us that Rogue would be pretty freaked out and/or angry to have the guy that tried to kill her on the team. To that end it was a good thing.

But it did strike me as being a fairly catty and immature remark coming from Magneto. I would buy it from Mystique (or Toad or Sabretooth, were they present) but it didn't ring true (for me) coming from Mags.

In my mind Magneto is charismatic and intelligent enough to realize that this situation is a great opportunity to create a schism in the X-Men and recruit mutants to his side (as he was successful doing with Pyro). So to be so unnecessarily cruel is just a stupid move for an otherwise intelligent character. It could have easily backfired on him, given that Pyro has feelings for Rogue.

How much better would it have been to his cause to say something concilatory instead of something catty? How advantageous would it be for Magneto if Bobby returned to the mansion and thougtlessly said, "You know, Magneto didn't seem so bad." What kind of chaos would that create at the school?

Instead he threw a schoolgirl barb that gained him nothing and only solidified the X-Mens' hatred and suspicion for him.

The remark bugged me.

[SquallEX]

I bet if Prof X went from pointing out all the humans on the earth in blue to all the mutants in the world in red to all the homosexuals in the world in green I bet there would be an awful lot of green on the map. Really, who cares anymore if a person is gay or straight? I'm so bored with caring about it. There are so many other and better ways to pick on somebody. Like their noses. Make fun of people with big noses.

[Faderaven]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>
"I have spoken"? Don't be a fuckin moron, newb. Everyone else here seems to be able to disagree while still retaining a semblance of decency. That was just idiotic.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sigh.
It was a joke.
Pray tell - how is using profanity and calling someone a moron maintaing a semblance of decency?

As for Magneto sucking out Wolvie's adamantium...EVERY time those two meet Logan attempted to stick his claws in Magneto. So what does Mags do? He disarms him. He doesn't kill him. I think with the adamantium gone and it being in Magneto's control killing Wolverine even with this healing factor would have been child's play at that point.

As for the soldiers getting blown up by grenades in the movie. Do you mean the soldiers who were going to stand by and let Stryker test his machine on six innocent children before using it to commit genocide? Those soldiers? Not only was that not sadistic I think Magneto was actually lenient at that point.

[Darth_zaiyen]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Robbo:
<B>I agree that the remark seemed out of character (although not with the suggestion that the lifestyles of the actors or directors had anything to do with it). I think it was an attempt to remind us that Rogue would be pretty freaked out and/or angry to have the guy that tried to kill her on the team. To that end it was a good thing.

But it did strike me as being a fairly catty and immature remark coming from Magneto. I would buy it from Mystique (or Toad or Sabretooth, were they present) but it didn't ring true (for me) coming from Mags.

In my mind Magneto is charismatic and intelligent enough to realize that this situation is a great opportunity to create a schism in the X-Men and recruit mutants to his side (as he was successful doing with Pyro). So to be so unnecessarily cruel is just a stupid move for an otherwise intelligent character. It could have easily backfired on him, given that Pyro has feelings for Rogue.

How much better would it have been to his cause to say something concilatory instead of something catty? How advantageous would it be for Magneto if Bobby returned to the mansion and thougtlessly said, "You know, Magneto didn't seem so bad." What kind of chaos would that create at the school?

Instead he threw a schoolgirl barb that gained him nothing and only solidified the X-Mens' hatred and suspicion for him.

The remark bugged me.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree to an extent, however I think Magneto realizes that there's no chance of Rogue EVER siding with him due to the events in X1, so he was on safe ground making the little comment for her ears only and not professing it for all to hear. She probably won't mention it to anyone, because with such a sly comment, she'd just sound like she was whining.

[Grimlock]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Faderaven:
<B> Sigh.
It was a joke.
Pray tell - how is using profanity and calling someone a moron maintaing a semblance of decency?

As for Magneto sucking out Wolvie's adamantium...EVERY time those two meet Logan attempted to stick his claws in Magneto. So what does Mags do? He disarms him. He doesn't kill him. I think with the adamantium gone and it being in Magneto's control killing Wolverine even with this healing factor would have been child's play at that point.

As for the soldiers getting blown up by grenades in the movie. Do you mean the soldiers who were going to stand by and let Stryker test his machine on six innocent children before using it to commit genocide? Those soldiers? Not only was that not sadistic I think Magneto was actually lenient at that point.

</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Dude, you're wrong...you're just wrong.
If we have to break this down between the comic world and the movie world we can, but in the end you will be wrong.

Sadistic? As in kidnapping a 15 year old girl and using her as a sacrificial lamb in your war on an entire species? Or maybe you'd prefer sucking the iron out of a man's pores and in his dying breath, remind him that he is far too homely for a woman to ever be truely attracted to. Nah, that's not sadistic. Fool.

Magneto is as crazy and as much of a warmonger as a some crazy Taliban in a cave, he just happens to be well-educated.

[Faderaven]

As I said Magneto was prepared to make sacrifices for his crusade that does not make him a SADIST. The word you are looking for is ruthless.

The guard? Well, Mr. Guard was clearly abusing his authority by beating Magneto and allowing Stryker to perform illegal interrogations on him. Magneto used the only tools at hand to effect his escape. Again, Mr. Guard died quickly even though Magneto had motive to punish him more severely before killing him.

[themanwithoutfear]

okay the comment was not a catty "gay" comment.
it was a sadistic taunt.
magneto is sadistic. if you dis agree with this staement then you are of two catgories....
1) you havent been watching the same x-men films we fans have been.
2)you havent' been reading the same x-men comics we fans have been.

it's that simple.
"I HAVE SPOKEN".

[Faderaven]

Let's recap.

My original post was meant to read 'Oh the director and actor are both gay men and are confident enough in their sexuality that maybe they thought it would be funny to add this 'catty comment' maybe in light of their existence. Not 'Oh what a stupid line, what do you expect from two disgusting fags.' I suppose in these PC times I should have been more concise. My bad.

The second part is, yes Magneto kills, sometimes violently. Magneto never kills to hear his victims scream however. That would make his whole movie origin in the Holocaust a lie. See? I have been watching the same movies as you.

I realize in the hundreds, maybe thousands of comics that Magneto has been written by dozens of artists, sometimes badly. The true heart of the character though is that he is a villain, a tortured soul haunted by the deaths and persecution of his people, but not a sadist.

I think, hell I'd bet money that if you asked Ian McKellen, Bryan Singer, Stan Lee or Chris Claremont that they'd agree with me.

[themanwithoutfear]

no they wouldn't cuz your an idiot. also most artist don't draw.

[Darth_zaiyen]

ok, first of all, writers write, not artists. Second, you have Magneto's intentions all wrong. He is brutal to humans because of the Holocaust. He is doing exactly to them what what done to him so many years before. It's revenge, not letting steam out.

[MarvelKid18]

It looked like he was taking pleasure in putting that prison guard through a painful death to me, and I've seen the film twice, so yeah, the Magneto in that film is sadistic. Deal with it.

[imported_Robbo]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Darth_zaiyen:
I agree to an extent, however I think Magneto realizes that there's no chance of Rogue EVER siding with him due to the events in X1, so he was on safe ground making the little comment for her ears only and not professing it for all to hear. She probably won't mention it to anyone, because with such a sly comment, she'd just sound like she was whining.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ummm....they weren't off in some secret meeting room. They were in close quarters of the Blackbird Jet. Bobby was certainly close enough to hear it and restrain Rogue. Rogue wouldnt mention it? But she WOULD go suck the life out of him?

I don't buy it. It was a potentially costly thing to say for no real gain...not a smart move for a mastermind like Magneto.

[themanwithoutfear]

there in a jet. chances are the jet has metal componets.anyone says shit to magneto he just fucks 'em up. him and mystiqe fly away on a platform made of some metal shards from a wrecked x-jet....the x-men laydead. its that simple.

[Darth_zaiyen]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Robbo:
Ummm....they weren't off in some secret meeting room. They were in close quarters of the Blackbird Jet. Bobby was certainly close enough to hear it and restrain Rogue. Rogue wouldnt mention it? But she WOULD go suck the life out of him?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ok, apparently I was too caught up in how cool the movie was to even notice Bobby and the rest of the team was near by when he said that. My mistake.

Anyways, my opinion remains the same. Though his comment was rather childish, I think this was all part of the fun on his part. He has been locked up in prison for months by himself, was beaten and drugged a lot of the time, then had to kill at least 4 people. The man needed a good laugh, and he's not the kind to just ask a guy to tell him a good joke.

[klepto]

So Bryan Singer's really gay?It was sorta hinted in an interview with Hugh Jackman that I read...something about how ironic it was that Jackman's playing a gay character in his first Broadway production instead of his castmates McKellen and Cummings and director Singer.I'm gay too and I've always thought that Bryan Singer is kinda cute with his oh-so-serious mien and deep voice.Damn, if only I live in the States. Then perhaps I'll stand a chance at him...not because of his by-now truckloads of money or anything of course http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/smile.gif...I just think he's so cute and smart....anyway, I think Magneto's comment was pure genius, catty or otherwise notwithstanding, and I agree with whomever pointed out that it efficiently demonstrates Magneto and Mystique's history of companionship and intimacy.

[GRIM]

i thought the line was out of character for the comic book version of magneto, but from what we have seen of this magneto, it was perfectley in line. and the reaction from rouge was priceless.

brian singer gay and a trekki? hard life huh? try being gay, jewish, and a trekkie/fanboy. good thing im realy realy tall. and not gay or jewish. how bout that northstar though? gay, mutant, canadian! man....god dealt that guy one crappy hand.

[Essex]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Faderaven:
<B> Sigh.
It was a joke.
Pray tell - how is using profanity and calling someone a moron maintaing a semblance of decency?</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

When push comes to shove, I lose my sense of decency.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Faderaven:
<B>As for Magneto sucking out Wolvie's adamantium...EVERY time those two meet Logan attempted to stick his claws in Magneto. So what does Mags do? He disarms him. He doesn't kill him. I think with the adamantium gone and it being in Magneto's control killing Wolverine even with this healing factor would have been child's play at that point.
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Um, no, Magneto didn't kill Wolverine because Xavier wiped out his mind and Jean took Logan off to the blackbird. It was only by her entering his mind and willing him to fight on that he even survived, healing factor or not.



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"That which does not kill us...makes us stranger." - Trevor Goodchild, Aeon Flux

[mandolynn12]

I love this line. Through most of the movie there in little reference to the annimosity the x-men must have for magneto and mystique, and i thought that a weak part of the movie. ( actually the only weak part because this movie completely rules!!! It just got two thumbs up about 10 minutes ago by the way!!) They kidnap a student and try to kill her and the most mags and mystique get are some dirty looks! Granted they did just save all their lives, but not out of kindness, just because he needed them. I was surprised wolvie didn't try SOMETHING, i mean he's not one for showing a lot of graditude. Anyway, I think this comment is very much part of the movie magneto's character. He likes to make smart comments. And i don't think he was even thinking about taking this as an opportunity to recruit untill pyro begins their conversation. I think magneto assumes that prof's students are ingrained with the thought that he is the enemy, which is confirmed with the line, "They say you are the bad guy" and he answers with a tone of...yeah, thats what i thought. It wasn't untill then that it occured to him that not all prof's students share the same views as him and that this actually could be a recruting opportunity. If he had come in with the intention of recruiting, then no way would he say that. Mystique would most likely say it to her because it is a great line. It wasn't untill after he said it that he realized that not all the students agreed with prof x, which is when he became uncle sam for the brotherhood.

I have spoken. well, not really. I've typed a series of sentences that I left for you to read and form opinions on and maybe respond to at your own disgression. Um...so there!

[norrinraad]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Faderaven:
Funny, but completely out of character for Magneto. I guess that's what you get for having a gay actor and director.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

This is one of the more ridiculous statements I've read in some time. The comment was totally appropriate for the movie version of Magneto. Perhaps you've forgotten Magneto taunting Senator Kelly in the first film, or the comments he made to Logan while bending his claws. The movie version of this character is cold, calculating and totally committed to his cause at the expense of everything and everyone else, yet has a playful, charming and cruel side as well. The comment about Rogue's hair was a direct referenced to his almost killing her in the first film, something I'm sure everyone involved assumed was self explanatory.

As for the comment being gay specific, ha ha, I bet McKellan and Singer had a ball between takes commenting on everyone's hair http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/rolleyes.gif Whether you've "joking" or not, the comment was still meant to perpetuate a stupid stereotype and it was sophomoric at best, inane at worse.

[This message has been edited by norrinraad (edited 05-05-2003).]

[Black_Alchemy]

I have to agree with the one who's not so well liked in this thread (plus Robbo). It was a remark that was out of character. Magneto did what he felt was necessary in the first movie. He didn't do it to be cruel or sadistic to Rogue. He had a cause he believes in. If anything, he'd have been apologetic to Rogue on the plane. Which of course, she'd refuse.

[TheHeretic]

Apologetic? Thats assuming that Mags is sorry for attempting to turn eveyrone into mutants (or whatever). Mags is only sorry that his plan was stopped. As far as he is concerned Rogue should be dead right now, having died for the cause. He wants all humans dead and it doesnt bother him at all if a few mutants die in the process.

[The_Vampire:Spider]

LOL that line was great. I dont care about wheather it fits mags or not, which I think it fits him well. I m a very sarcastic person my self and maybe thats why I enjoied the line as much as I did, because if I was in Mags place I would have probally said the exact samething.Just get over the how you feel Magnetos personaity should be and just enjoy the movie and be happy that the punch lines have greatly improved.

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[thejokerscard]

y'know faderaven you probably should have seen the first xmen in order to understand why magneto had said it. It proved that he doesnt want to become friends with the x men but he has to in order to save mutants around the world. And I'd probably assume you'd ever see both sides work together again. Mckellen, I saw also in Gods and Monsters where he played the closet gay directer for Frankenstein. I dont think he took that role because of his uality but because he was a fan of the director's work. And I thought the comment fit in perfectly with Magneto's character.

[WC]

I personally think that the line would've been more appropriate and effective coming from Mystique. She seemed to be a lot nicer and sympathetic this time round, and far from the so-called evil mutant that she was in the first film (although I still thought she seemed nice in the 1st one too). She could've have feigned ignorance as to what happened with Rogue's white streak, given that she wasn't on the top of the Statue of Liberty when that incident occurred.

Thus, while playing innocent and pretending to engage in girl talk with Rogue while within earshot of Magneto, (and perhaps with him secretly laughing at her), Mystique's remarks would've been more subtly directed at Rogue, as she couldn't be sure that Mystique was being cruel, but she would nevertheless have felt the impact of the hurtful remark. And had Rogue protested against it, the others in the jet may not have seen it in the same way, and so may have told her that she was just being overly sensitive. And thus Rogue would've effectively been hurt yet would have to keep it to herself.

As for Magneto saying it, it seems as if the character is far too concerned about more important things such as subverting the human hatred of mutants to engage in what could seem rather frivolous conversation.

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[joker21]

JESUS CHRIST PEOPLE! ITS ONE LINE! EVEN IF IT IS OUT OF CHARACTER FOR THE COMIC VERSION OF MAGNETO I DOESN'T NEED 2 PAGES DEVOTED TO IT! Maybe if Magneto had said "Hey Rogue your a hot bitch" It might be worthy of the two pages, but this is rediculous.

Joker21

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Joker: I'm crazy enough to mess with Batman, but the IRS, Nooooooo thank you!

[The Bard]

lol 'Hey Rouge You're a hot bitch!'
I bet Magneto was kicking himself later on that he didnt think to say that very thing.
Actually I have no real opinion to post here, I just wanted to say 'I have Spoken.' It seems to be the thing to say in this thread.

I have spoken.

ahhh that felt good.

[imported_Robbo]

I also have spoken

(really just pushing for three pages here)

[Ernie_Turbo]

it's spelled "ROGUE" dammit!!
not roge
not rouge
not roag

dammit I hate these people who can't spell!!!

I also have spoken!

-Ernie

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"i like your mom and it's no fad, I'm gonna marry her and be your dad"

[ScreamingDeath]

I thought the line was extremely well placed myself. Mags knows that they need his help and he exploits that fact by being just a bit cruel to Rogue. . .and she almost responded in kind by pulling off the "kid gloves" and teaching him a lesson.

[The Bard]

I am sorry Ernie. Don't hate me just becasue I spell Rogue wrong. See there I fixed it http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/smile.gif

I have spoken. Again.

[Kwick22a]

I have not spoken!

Except by saying that I have not spoken, I have spoken. And thus I have made a liar of myself.
You're a dirty liar Kwick! Go sit in the corner.

[Ernie_Turbo]

se are agreed. we all speak. therefore, we have all spoken

-Ernie

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"i like your mom and it's no fad, I'm gonna marry her and be your dad"

[D.K.HOOD]

I think Magneto and Mystique should have started singing the classic rap song "Push It" by Salt N Pepa. Ooh baby baby baaaby babababy.

[imported_Robbo]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by D.K.HOOD:
I think Magneto and Mystique should have started singing the classic rap song "Push It" by Salt N Pepa. Ooh baby baby baaaby babababy.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Man! Singer is KICKING himself over this missed opportunity. It would have been $100 million in 5 days.

[WC]

I thought Rogue said at the end of the first film that "she kinda likes it" - ie the white streak in her hair. So if she does like it, her best defence against Magneto would've been to accept the backhanded compliment and perhaps ask him if he'd like her to do his hair too.

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Meoww! Send in the clowns!

[Greg Tolken]

Well, I think she only liked it because she knew that she had to live with it. I don't think that she would've gone to a hair salon and asked for the streaks of white hair.

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"You Homo sapiens and your guns."
"I'm am Batman!"
"Truth, Justice, and other good stuff."

[imported_Robbo]

Still, one wonders when we'll hit three pages.

As Nightcrawler might say, "Ich hatte auf Deutsch gesprochen"

[WC]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Greg Tolken:
<B>Well, I think she only liked it because she knew that she had to live with it. I don't think that she would've gone to a hair salon and asked for the streaks of white hair.

</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Couldn't Rogue just dye her hair one colour? That's something she could go to the salon and ask for. What stops her from doing that? She needn't even be a brunette - she can be a blonde or red-head if she wants. Or go for jet black.

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Meoww! Send in the clowns!

[Greg Tolken]

lol, that's a really great question. How come no one's ever mentioned that before?

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"You Homo sapiens and your guns."
"I'm am Batman!"
"Truth, Justice, and other good stuff."

[D.K.HOOD]

I don't think she would go to a salon because of her fear of being touched. And I would guess the reason nobody asked the question is because her hair was always like that in the comics. At least as long as I can remember.

But Rogue did say she liked it in the first film so I guess there is no reason for her to try and dye it herself.

[norrinraad]

I have really cute toes...

(Are we on page 3 yet)?

[D.K.HOOD]

Page 3 or Bust!

[The Bard]

Once we gat to page 3, what are we going to do? I'm pretty sure that nothing new awaits us . . .

[D.K.HOOD]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by The Bard:
Once we gat to page 3, what are we going to do? I'm pretty sure that nothing new awaits us . . .<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't know what's going to happen, that's the fun of it!

[imported_Robbo]

Damn you, Page Three! Ever elusive! Ever receding from our collective grasp!

Why!? WHHHHHHHYYYYYYYYYY!?!?!??!

[Essex]

Page Three is more elusive than Forum 9!!

oops...I've said too much!

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"That which does not kill us...makes us stranger." - Trevor Goodchild, Aeon Flux

[ScreamingDeath]

Not to worry there. . .page 3 will arrive eventually.

[D.K.HOOD]

I know what's on page 3! It's a LaraCroft centerfold spread!

[Bigkid]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ScreamingDeath:
I thought the line was extremely well placed myself. Mags knows that they need his help and he exploits that fact by being just a bit cruel to Rogue. . .and she almost responded in kind by pulling off the "kid gloves" and teaching him a lesson.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hey Screaming!
I was waiting to see if anyone else was going to mention this, and then I was going to comment on it, but, indeed, you have spoken about it (no pun intended)! But it's true..... what you have to pay attention to is the PAYOFF in that scene, where Rouge (did I spell that right?), just stares down Magneto and starts to pull the gloves off, whereupon Iceman has to calm her down. Whether or not it should've been Magneto saying the line, or Mystique, I think it was the action's of Rouge that make that a great moment (and scene). The scene basically, I think, was a reminder that these people are NOT friend's, are NOT compatriots: they are trying to form a truce for the better of ALL mutants. When all is done, however, EVERYONE will go back to trying to "one up" the other.

[Ernie_Turbo]

by the way BIGKID, you did not spell it right.

it's spelled ROGUE. for christ sakes, you quoted somebody and they spelled it right. why couldnt you?

i hate these people who claim to read the comics, yet cannot correctly spell the names of (1 of) the main characters

Get a clue people

-Ernie

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"i like your mom and it's no fad, I'm gonna marry her and be your dad"

[Essex]

Not that you'd know, thanks to your total rudeness and lack of respect, but Bigkid DOES NOT claim to read the comics. He is a fan of the classic and first runs of X-Men and is now interested in what's currently happening.

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"That which does not kill us...makes us stranger." - Trevor Goodchild, Aeon Flux

[rayray2021]

I liked the line... I especially liked Rogue's response! It was a really good laugh!
As for Rogue getting her hair dyed back to it's original color, I have one question...
Will touching her hair also drain a person? My guess would be yes, since it is connected to her skin.
Are we on page three yet?
I hope so!
It would be great!
Later Y'all!

Ray

[rayray2021]

DARN!!! I for sure thought that would do it!

Anyway...

Any one notice how, even though practically nude, Rebecca R. Stamos' exterior assets seemed to be constantly defying gravity?

They looked like they were floating!

I wonder where they hid the supports...

Hmmmmmmm.

Just joking! I'm really not sexist!
Really!
Not!

LOL!

See if that does it...

Ray
The All Time
Number One Fan
of
Wonder Woman
and All Things
Wonder!!!

[This message has been edited by rayray2021 (edited 05-23-2003).]

[rayray2021]

Are we there yet?

NO!

Are we there yet?

NO!

Are we there yet?

NO!

Are we there yet?

NO!

Are we there yet?

NO!

Are we there yet?

perhaps.......

Ray
*** =w= ***

[Ernie_Turbo]

by the way ESSEX: i did not say that BIGKID claimed be a fan. i just made a general statment that most of the people on this board, while claiming to be fans, constantly spell her name wrong. so your point is moot. the fact that you complained about my "total rudeness" and "lack of respect" just goes to show what a careless reader you are.

-Ernie

ps. page three all the way!

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"i like your mom and it's no fad, I'm gonna marry her and be your dad"

[WC]

I think BigKid's spelling of Rouge was just a joke. Everyone knows it's spelt Roaghe!

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Meoww! Send in the clowns!

[rayray2021]

WARNING: CHEAP PLUG AHEAD!!!

Ok, I warned you!

In the "general discussion" forum, I have a topic going that I need opinions for.
I'm planning on doing a series of manips of actresses as Wonder Woman.
Go to my topic, and give as many ideas as you can!!!

Even if you aren't a fan, and don't plan on seeing the movie (if it's ever made), you must have SOME idea who can play the 1st super heroin!

Ray

Wonder
Woman
***=w=***

[Essex]

You're right, Ernie. How could I be so careless?! The words "for christ sakes", "hate these people" and "get a clue" were not rude or condescending at all. http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/rolleyes.gif

Secondly, you were speaking directly to Bigkid. You used his name and was subsequently rude to him.

If you're going to be hanging around, please have the courtesy to learn some basic manners.

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"That which does not kill us...makes us stranger." - Trevor Goodchild, Aeon Flux

[Bigkid]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ernie_Turbo:
<B>by the way BIGKID, you did not spell it right.

it's spelled ROGUE. for christ sakes, you quoted somebody and they spelled it right. why couldnt you?

i hate these people who claim to read the comics, yet cannot correctly spell the names of (1 of) the main characters

Get a clue people

-Ernie

</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hey Earnest.
I've seen the other responses to this quote of your's and, for one thing...... you DID in fact say that "you hate these people who read the comics, yet cannot correctly spell the names of (1of) the characters". You complained that I did a direct quote but couldn't spell R-O-G-U-E'S name, so I just took your direct quote, read it back to myself, and NOW I'm going to tell you what you did,in fact,SAY: You said that you "hate THESE PEOPLE who read the comics and can't spell 1 of the character's names", it's right there, black and white. So, in effect, you are saying that I (Bigkid) am one of those people that you can't stand, because I claim that I read the comic and yet I can't spell the character's name correctly. So, you ARE saying that I said I read the comic. I DON'T say that I read the comics, I haven't read this title on a regular basis in YEARS. I've read the title in the past, I'm old enough to remember the character's such as Wolverine, Colossus, EVEN R-O-G-U-E. But, the point is..... so what if people misspell the names? If someone were to say.... Naymore, the SUBMARENER... yeah, I guess I'd feel compelled to correct them..... but SON.... take a BREAK! Your getting you knickers in a twist about something that aint worth getting upset about! Pull the turbo out of your ass and lighten up a TAD, why don't you??

[Ernie_Turbo]

okay. first of all, i think i would know who my statements are directed towards. my first paragraph WAS about BIGKID, i admit it. i was pissed off that big kid quoted somebody yet could not use his brain and spell the name rogue correctly, as SCREAMING DEATH did. infact, he drew attention to himself by asking if he spelled it correctly. sorry but i am a stickler for grammar and spelling.

the other part of that post, however, was not about BIGKID. it was just a general rant about how a good portion of the people that post on this board spell her name incorrectly. and it pisses me off. SORRY

-Ernie

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"i like your mom and it's no fad, I'm gonna marry her and be your dad"

[WC]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ernie_Turbo:
<B>...a good portion of the people that post on this board spell her name incorrectly. and it pisses me off.
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well there's one way to fix that. We should all chant out the word repetitively until the correct spelling is lodged in our brains: R-O-A-G-H-E, R-O-A-G-H-E, R-O-A-G-H-E!!



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Meoww! Send in the clowns!

[Bigkid]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ernie_Turbo:
<B>okay. first of all, i think i would know who my statements are directed towards. my first paragraph WAS about BIGKID, i admit it. i was pissed off that big kid quoted somebody yet could not use his brain and spell the name rogue correctly, as SCREAMING DEATH did. infact, he drew attention to himself by asking if he spelled it correctly. sorry but i am a stickler for grammar and spelling.

the other part of that post, however, was not about BIGKID. it was just a general rant about how a good portion of the people that post on this board spell her name incorrectly. and it pisses me off. SORRY

-Ernie

</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Well, what happened WAS.... was that when I said, "Did I spell that right"? It was due to the fact that when I responded with the quote, I, in fact, was being a little too lazy for my own good to scroll up and take a look at how ROGUE is spelled.... I guess I wasn't "using my brain".... so for my own laziness, I guess I should apologize for that. But, Ernest, the fact is ..... and LOOK AGAIN AT YOUR OWN F**IN quote:
"I..hate...... THESE PEOPLE..... who read the comic and can't spell 1 of the characters names". I might have paraphrased a little bit, sorry if I did, but the point still remains, that you were saying, a person who CLAIMS they read this comic and can't spell the name right..... and given that you were responding so vigorously to what I HAD said.... well, can't you see how I MIGHT think, or others MIGHT think, that you are directing that towards me? But, as I said..... it's just a MISSPELLED name...... take it easy, man! I stand corrected...... it's ROGUE. By the way, SCREAMING DEATH........ great screen name!!

[imported_Robbo]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Robbo:
I agree that the remark seemed out of character...it did strike me as being a fairly catty...coming from Magneto.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ha ha ha ha ha ha!

Right this second I'm watching the commentary on the X2 DVD and director Bryan Singer says he tought the line was "kind of catty".

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ah HA!

I was right and everyone else was wrong!

HA!!!!!!!

http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/bamf.gif

[The_Vampire:Spider]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Robbo:
<B> Ha ha ha ha ha ha!

Right this second I'm watching the commentary on the X2 DVD and director Bryan Singer says he tought the line was "kind of catty".

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ah HA</B>!

I was right and everyone else was wrong!

HA!!!!!!!

http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/bamf.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Boooo to you I want to be watching X2 DVD commentary right now... grr guess conan will have to do. You got that really early its just not fair.

[D.K.HOOD]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Robbo:
Right this second I'm watching the commentary on the X2 DVD <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hey, that better not be the same DVD that I plan on winning from the contest. Jeez, no wonder its free!

[imported_Robbo]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by D.K.HOOD:
Hey, that better not be the same DVD that I plan on winning from the contest. Jeez, no wonder its free! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah, the winner gets the one with my finger prints and nacho cheese dip all over it.

[bottleHeD]

Hmm, i think there might some other reasons behind Magneto's comments.

1)Temptation - the lure of sarcasm is sometimes too hard to resist.

2)Them Chicks - They love guys with a sense of humour don't they? so it's obvious what Magneto was doing. Showing off. Mystique's evil, she'll like some biting wit. That's right. "Lookie here Mystique, my tongue's still sharp. I promise not to hurt you when it's slithering down your mouth.." Hmm, i bet this shows up as a deleted scene on the X2 dvd,,

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[norrinraad]

The comment was definitely meant to disturb, no doubt about it. However, I think the individual who started this topic saw it more along the lines of "oh, that belt goes beautifully with your shoes, darling" in a sarcastic manner which I highly doubt anyone involved with the film intended. The movie universe Magneto is a cruel, witty, charming and sadistic bastard, and his wanting to remind Rogue (and the other present mutants) of how he almost killed her during their previous encounter fit right in with his character.

And proving he was a badass to Mystique probably wasn't beneath him either... http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/wink.gif



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[WC]

Are we sure that Magneto wasn't perhaps asking Rogue for some grooming tips? Perhaps he was fed up of a full head of white hair and wanted to know how he could dye the rest of it brown and leave the middle white. Seeing as Rogue managed it, he made the entirely appropriate and innocent comment: "We love what you've done with your hair...".

It's Rogue who needs to sort out her attitude. Since she responded so defensively, Magneto didn't dare ask which hairdresser she uses, and now has to continue with his white mane until he meets someone else with a skunk hairstyle.

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Meoww! Send in the clowns!

[biblackbat]

I think your beeing hard on the guy.I don't entirely agree with his view on the scene but you guys are beeing a bit harsh.That's he's opinion I think we can disagree without insulting the man!I do agree that magneto has motives behind the things that he does abd as they might be.
Oh yeah I'm a newb too.