My idea of a Batman movie that would explain more about Two

[rsine69]

This is just an idea I had for a new Batman film and at the same time a way to keep the film franchise going and to get away from the crappy 3rd and 4th films. This is just my opinion, but I would like to see a film that takes place after the 1st and 2nd but before the 3rd. A movie that goes into detail about Batman's first encounter with Two Face. It would have just one villain like the first film instead of being bogged down with 2 or 3 or 60. A major disapointment I had in FOREVER is that they only took about 5 seconds out to explain Two Face's origin. I would like to see a film that goes into more detail about his tragic origin. Everone who has read the comics knows that it's a very complex story. Even the animated series did a find job explaining it even though it differed from the comics. I would also like to see Billy Dee Williams reprise the role since he played the preTwo Face Harvey Dent in the first film.

[The Xenos]

Two Face is a wonderful character that really got shafted in his big screen debut. Adding to the disapopintment is that Tommy Lee Jones is an excellent actor. I rememeber one review (or psot here maybe) commented that they "took Two Face and made him one note." Plus every time they called him "Harvey Two Face" it sounded stupid and made me crine. Still does.

Even the animated Batman of the 90s had a decent Two Face. They might have changed it from the comic with using Thorne and not using the acid courthouse scene. Yet they still had an equally deep character and dramatic situation.

My personal hope for the Batfilms would be first to see Batman: Year One which has Harvey in a minor role. Then i would LOVE to see the second film be a decently faithful adaptation of Batman Long Halloween. Harvey here is a main character and a major part of the tale deals with his turning into Two Face.

Unfortunately, I don't have my hopes up since the logistics of reality have low probability of Long Halloween seeing screen time. I doubt the morons at WB will want this and am not ever sure if Aronofsky would be interested in Long Halloween. I think Aronofsky would be more interested in even Dark Knight Returns more. Still, for the fans and for the non-fans to experience this wonderful tale on the big screen, I think Long Halloween would be great.

Belives in Harvey Dent,
-Xenos

[DynamicDude]

Originally, Williams was supposed to play a major role as Harvey Dent in BATMAN RETURNS. The original script had a plot to take over the city by political trickery, with Dent filling Max Shreck's shoes as the behind-the-scenes manipulator who runs the Penguin's mayoral campaign. At the end of the movie, Catwoman was supposed to give him the same electric kiss she gave Shreck - only it wouldn't have killed Dent, just scarred half of his face. Thus would Two-Face be born.

Fortunately, Burton realized this to be a bad idea and persuaded the studio to abandon it; this accounts for Dent's conspicuous absence in BATMAN RETURNS. Frankly, I think Jones would have been terrific both in Williams's role in the first movie and making a cameo in RETURNS. Couldn't you just see him lounging in his seat at Shreck's conference table in that establishing shot, his feet propped up casually on the table as he spins his coin and sips some coffee? (You know, sort of similar to the sly way he is introduced in the mayor's office in the animated episode "On Leather Wings," sitting in the shadows as Bullock argues with Gordon and the mayor?) I think longtime Batman fans would have appreciated that.

His horrible Two-Face persona aside, Jones was a perfect choice to play Harvey Dent. He often does play law-and-order figures (THE CLIENT, MEN IN BLACK, NATURAL BORN KILLERS, etc.) and his good-ol' boy personality is definitely an asset for an influential district attorney. At the same time, he also had that rough-hewn exterior (think Clint Eastwood, whom I also thought would've been good as Two-Face) that suggests a lot of nastiness and rage. Billy Dee Williams, by contrast, seemed too...conventional.

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[JaLoHo]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by rsine69:
I would also like to see Billy Dee Williams reprise the role since he played the preTwo Face Harvey Dent in the first film.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I put forth in a post on a different thread last month that I would have liked to see Denzel Washington in the role of Two-Face instead of Williams or Jones because he's just a better actor and this would have been a great casting against type in Washington's pre-"Training Day" career. Washington could easily pull off the nastiness of Two-Face but balance it with Harvey's basic decency.

Just my thoughts.

[Frostbite]

But how would a black Two-Face look? Would have his face be scarred white?

[Sonic1002]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Frostbite:
But how would a black Two-Face look? Would have his face be scarred white?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Frostbite, you took the words right out of my mouth.

[JaLoHo]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sonic1002:
Frostbite, you took the words right out of my mouth.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Good point but the scarred side of his face would be reddish pink like an open scab. Check out a black person with severe burns and the skin stays pinkish well after the person has healed. That would show up very clearly contrasted against a darker actor's skin tone.

Besides the scarred side of Tommy Lee Jones's face in Batman Forever could have been a little more graphic in my opinion.

I put forth Washington as Two-Face from a simple business outlook. The actor has his own fan base that would bring in people who wouldn't think of going to a super-hero movie while he's a good enough thespian to bring the right tone of tragedy and dark humor to the character. Another point is that he's a big enough star and good enough actor to carry a Bat-movie as the only villain and since Batman's back story is already established in the movies Washington's Two-Face could get a decent amount of screen time to explain his obsession with duality.

Cast against type sometimes is my motto. I'm not looking for DJ Squalls to play Superman but secondary characters and villains are ripe for reinterpretation in these kind of movies because despite what some would say MC Duncan was strong in Daredevil but Washington as Two-Face would be cosmic.

[DynamicDude]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JaLoHo:
Besides the scarred side of Tommy Lee Jones's face in Batman Forever could have been a little more graphic in my opinion.

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In 1995 I read an interview with Ve Neill, the makeup artist for BATMAN FOREVER. When asked how she came up with Jones's makeup design, she said: "We wanted him to be scary-looking, but...not so ugly that you couldn't look at him for the entire movie."

Besides, I think Neill had learned from experience that movie makeup should be simple. She also transformed Danny DeVito into the Penguin for BATMAN RETURNS using mountains of paint and face putty; DeVito's makeup took four hours to apply every day. Jones's makeup, by contrast, took only two hours per day. Any actor will tell you how nerve-wracking it is to sit completely still in the makeup chair for two hours - let alone four.

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[Frostbite]

Why not a CGI Two-Face?

[D.K.HOOD]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Frostbite:
Why not a CGI Two-Face?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It'll happen eventually. People want to CGI everything nowadays.

[Sonic1002]

Why not good ol' fashion makeup. CGI is to computery. You can tell if it is CGI or not. Makeup, on the other hand, has the "natural" feel.
-Sonic1002



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-Joker

[DynamicDude]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sonic1002:
<B>Why not good ol' fashion makeup. CGI is to computery. You can tell if it is CGI or not. Makeup, on the other hand, has the "natural" feel.
-Sonic1002

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I agree; CGI images make everything look too "pretty." With a monster like Two-Face, you'd need huge glops of greasy, grungy, grotesque makeup.

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