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07-25-2003, 02:29 PM
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Prepare for the Darkest Knight...
The Death of Batman
Justice. Repentance. Heroin.
08-06-2003, 11:15 AM
Great review of the film at:
08-12-2003, 11:59 PM
I have seen this film and I think its safe to say this isn't a movie for everyone. Let me just say that if the Ned Beatty "squeal like a pig" scene in Deliverance floats your boat or you feel absolutely comfortable watching someone's manhood get taken on Oz, then you'll probably feel better about 'Death of Batman' than I did. Yes, Batman becomes somebody's bitch, literally! The only reason I feel compelled to talk about this first is because its something I really could have gone the rest of my life without seeing and I'm sure there are others who feel the same way. The scene wasn't super graphic, but the fact that it was in slow motion, coupled with a number of "peculiar" crotch shots of Batman in the film basically left me with a nauseated feeling. Just being honest folks.
As for the rest of the film, yeah it looks pretty bad compared to Dead End. This film had a small budget and it really shows. Its a pity Christopher Stapleton(Batman) didn't have a better cowl because I bet he would have resembled Kevin Maguire's version of Batman from his run on the 80's issues of Justice League. I would rank Stapleton's performance as being above Clooney's, but he doesn't have the voice for Batman(I don't know what that other reviewer was talking about). Still, its hard to judge performances when the production value is so low and the film direction is sub-par. The thief(played by Trip Hope) gives a decent performance, although he hardly looks like the homeless ex-con heroine addict that his character is. The one strikingly good thing I can say about The Death of Batman was the story itself. Aside from the things I mentioned in the first paragraph and the ending(which would make sense for any other superhero character except Batman) this is probably the best Batman story I've seen on film. The dialogue could have used some polishing and maybe an element or two could have been tweaked, but I thought the story as a whole was very solid.
Oh, I almost forgot. The musical score by Joe Malone may not be as good as Batman TAS but he was able to capture the mood of the story effectively.
Well that's my review, take it or leave it.
[This message has been edited by D.K.HOOD (edited 08-13-2003).]
08-13-2003, 02:06 AM
Fair enough, DK. Thanks for your honest opinion.
08-13-2003, 05:18 AM
To be honest, I hadn't seen the full film. I had seen the trailer though. Well, I got the feeling that such a thing as DK described might happen jsut from the trailer. Now rape/torture scenes can have artistic and plot merit. Here I got a felling there may a lot of shock value, especially using a famous character like Batman. Honestly, I really have no interest in seeing it.
Now, if it wasn't Batman, maybe I would be more interested and I think the film would be more sellable. I think having a Batman like character of your own design and creation would have made this a little more orignal and let the film stand a bit more on its own rather than using the deformation of a famous figure to get noticed. It could have been an interesting tale about vigilante sueprheros in general, not just Batman, and the one thug who could take them out. Heck, you could even do the same to Punisher with similar effect. Plus that last scene in the trailer with him in the casket just looked goofy and out of character, so an orignal and slightly different hero may have worked better.
This also might have been a decent yet odd Batman non-continutity comic book story. It kinda reminds me of that Batman black and white story about the kid killing Batman. Yet I don't think stories like that should be transfered to film. I think if you are going to bring Batman to film, it sould capture the basic esccence of Batman. This seemed like too much of an odd out of continuity side story and fanfiction for me.
So, I think I shall pass on this. I applaude you for trying and workimaking your film, but I just don't see why this was a Batman film.
08-13-2003, 12:37 PM
You are absolutely entitled to your opinion, Xenos. But to pass judgment on a film you haven't even seen is a little irresponsible, don't you think?
08-13-2003, 01:59 PM
Sorry, but I have no inclination to view a film where any hero of mine is sexually violated and dehumanized. I have never enjoyed rape scenes and usually avoid movies that are known to include them. And you should probably have used a character of your own creation. I'm willing to wager that not too many Batman fans are going to want to watch this fan-flick once they know Batman gets raped in it. Better luck next time.
[This message has been edited by FireStormTrooper (edited 08-13-2003).]
08-13-2003, 02:59 PM
For the record, the reviews on the web (Superherohype.com) and those I've received via e-mail have been overwhelmingly positive. I think the controversy over the so-called "rape scene" is getting blown out of proportion. Is it difficult to watch? Without question. Is it graphic? Not in the least. Is it necessary in the context of the film? In my opinion, no. Others may disagree. Believe me, as an actor, it wasn't the most comfortable scene to shoot. The fact is, I had nothing to do with the script, editing, costume, etc. I merely had the opportunity to play a dream role and thought I would share the fan film with anybody interested in taking a look. It's a very dark interpretation of the Batman universe and is not for everyone. However, the story is compelling and attempts to deal with some deeper issues.
08-13-2003, 08:50 PM
The Death of Batman was difficult to watch but the story itself made so much sense to me when I watched it. I was uncomfortable with the rape scene because I thought it was a Schmacher wet dream come to life but other than that I thought the story was very powerful and would have lacked real impact if the "hero" was some generic vigilante created for the screen. Knowing that it was The Bat going through this only heightened the intensity of the movie for me. I can see my favorite hero overcoming a heroin addiction, the rape, and the torture but the guilt over knowing that he's responsible for ruining an innocent's life would be something even he would find difficult to deal with even in the comic book medium.
Yeah, the movie was probably constrained by the film's budget but the themes touched on in it had me saying wow long after the final credits had rolled. Difficult movie to watch, yes, but bad movie? Hell no.
08-14-2003, 02:22 AM
Well said, JaLoHo. Thanks for both taking the time to watch the film and posting your thoughts.
08-14-2003, 08:59 AM
Hmm, I'm curious to watch this but the links on your site don't work. Is there any other way to download it?
08-14-2003, 10:43 AM
I checked the links, norrinraad, and they seem to work fine. Do you have the latest versions of Internet Explorer and Quicktime? If you don't, that could be the problem. Those links are only the teaser and trailer though. Would you like a free DVD copy of the full film? Just e-mail me your address and I'd be happy to shoot one off to you.
08-14-2003, 11:19 AM
E-mail sent, thanks man! http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/smile.gif
08-22-2003, 09:09 PM
Another excellent review:
08-29-2003, 09:02 AM
OK, just saw this last night, and I was very impressed. This film is a glowing example of what can be achieved by people who care about what they're doing. The movie was obviously shot on a miniscule budget but I got so wrapped up in the story that after awhile I didn't even notice. The production valves were surprisingly high, too. As for the story itself, it was more compelling than the last two Batman films combined. The central premise is about accountability. What would happen if a hero like Batman, who has sworn to fight crime and protect innocents, discovers that his actions inadvertantly destroyed an innocent's life? This is a fascinating idea and it plays out very well. Yes, it is not for the squeamish or easily offended, but there is nothing gratuitous about the violence or the cruelty. It fits well within the context of the story. The "villain" wants Batman to fully understand what he has had to endure, and there is no compensation for direct experience. Christopher Stapleton plays the Dark Knight in the same low key vein as Keaton, but this is not a complaint. There's nothing wrong with following examples as long as you're doing it well. And the ending...well, I'm not sure I fully bought it but it is an interesting take on the character. It certainly drives home his sense of justice and responsibility. All in all the film is dark, edgy and thought provoking, everything a Batman film should be. This is the kind of product that a major studio would never even dream of making so kudos to all involved for their vision and daring.
BTW, extra points for the packaging. Very nifty, it looks like it could almost be professional. Good job.
08-29-2003, 12:18 PM
Hey thanks, Norrinraad, for taking the time to watch the film and post your great review. Also, for the kind comparison to Keaton, which I consider a huge compliment. He was by far the best!
09-05-2003, 06:38 PM
Two more fantastic reviews! You can see them at these links:
09-07-2003, 03:55 PM
just curious, but are you going to post the negative reviews here as well? ^o)
(I'm expectign to get a backlash to this by the way)
09-07-2003, 08:02 PM
Of course not. Why would he bring negative attention to himself like that?
09-08-2003, 12:59 AM
Yeah, what Frostbite said.
09-08-2003, 03:48 PM
I saw the movie, and what's this so-called "rape scene" ? I saw nothing of the sort.
09-08-2003, 04:50 PM
hmmm.... I have watched it...
well first of all i will not mention anything about the production values apart from to say that they are not up to dead ends standards.
in my opinion the first and last part of this film are by far the weakest. The film seemed a child of the batman movies in the way that batman WALKED everywhere, gave the criminal plenty of time to get away from the crime scene and took his time in aprahending him (making 'witty' comments that were making me undertand what john lennon meant when he said it knew what it was like to be dead. Batman is very much not like he is in the comics. if ti had been the comics he would have aprahended the criminal at the crime scene and wouldnt have done the visually pleasing slow walk and apearance behind the criminal. sorry, I know it was done for style but it betrayed the substance of the batman character... and those one liners. Batman says them in between beatign the thief with almost the same sadistic relish that the thief later take in deflowering batman (it's in the top left during the newscast on the perfect man) oh vell... Another thign i disliked was batman''s seemingly friendly relationship with the media. It seemed like he was giving regular interviews or something... it just didnt feel right. It uncomfortably reminded me of batman and robin. (it was the actual lines rather than the delivery bluewolvy)
Putting aside the implausibility of batman beign taken down the way he was (I merely told myself this was the movie batman rather than his comic book equivilant, the comic book bat was trained by the modern day equivilent of houdini... I think the chains would pose no challenge.
ANYWAY... suspension of disbelief, suspension of disbelief....
I liked the middle of the film, apart from the tacky newscast. The final scenes with the thief and batman were quite powerful but could have benefited from possibly a bit more concienciousness to batman's dialogue. I expected the shot to the head but it was still powerful. The overdose however did not seem right at all. I cant believe people made a fuss over batman leaving gotham in birds of prey iof you are prepared to watch this with no complaints. The director doesnt seem to have read batman:venom.
the ending pissed me off because... a) there's no way his cowl would remain on, b) when exactly did he express his wishes and c) please god will someone give gotham's police some credit... how did 200 people fit into that room... grrrrrrr...
I thought it was a good film on the whole, it's definately not within my limited acceptance boundaries but i am stupid so it doesnt matter. oh vell.... the major problem i had was that it seemed to be a film of the movies rather than the comic. it seemed to me like it was a joel schumacher film (thats not as insulting as it sounded) it was half batman and robin and half 8mm. it failed to capture batman in hios true light but instead as others have portrayed him in the past.
it was a comendable effort and has some good moments but ultimately it's not for me.
[This message has been edited by beppo_the_super_chimp (edited 09-08-2003).]
09-08-2003, 07:57 PM
Appreciate your honesty, beppo_the_super_chimp. It's not for everyone. And you're right, the film does have weaknesses. But overall, it's a compelling story that at least attempts to deal with some deeper issues on vigilantism. Thanks for watching it and posting your thoughts.
09-10-2003, 11:27 AM
With all of the opinions of this film on the message board, I was surprised not to see any in FanViews. So I requested The Death of Batman to be added and it's on there now.
So hey, if you've written an opinion here why not copy/paste it over there and rate this one?
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