CATWOMAN - The Movie

[FireStormTrooper]

This has been rumored since the success and popularity of the character in 1992's BATMAN RETURNS. The original idea for the spinoff was to star that's movie's Catwoman, Michelle Pfieffer. Since then, Ashley Judd (DOUBLE JEOPARDY) and Nicole Kidman (BATMAN FOREVER) have been mentioned as possible leads. Now comes news of Halle Berry (X-MEN, X2) being offered the role.

From a comic reader's point of view, I am far less concerned with Halle Berry's ethnicity as I would be with how she portrays Catwoman (i.e. Selina Kyle, not this Patience Price horseshit). I am surprised that Berry would take on more than one comic book franchise ... but then again maybe she's the rare exception to the rule of typecasting. People know her from enough of her other roles that she could do both Storm and Catwoman and not seriously risk her career as a serious actress (MONSTER'S BALL).

[Frostbite]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FireStormTrooper:
I am far less concerned with Halle Berry's ethnicity as I would be with how she portrays Catwoman (i.e. Selina Kyle, not this Patience Price horseshit.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
But it is Patience Price, not Selina Kyle. So you're concerning yourself with something that simply doesn't exist.

[The Xenos]

Even Berry as Selena sounds horrible to me. I really didn't like Berry's Storm much and really disliked her Jinx character. Adding that they're keeping this Patience Price garbage and it sounds worse than the travesty of the Birds of Prey TV show.

Now I have no porblem with a black actress or hispanic or non-white actress in the role. Not quite sure on and Asian Selina. I'm thinking a sexy sly brunette actress. Think Cathrine Zeta Jones in Entrapment. I'm looking at Batman Year One and especially the latest Catwoman book with Brubaker, Cooke and company. Maybe even a little Tim Sale though I thought she kinda looked a bit odd in Long Halloween. I know Hollywood doesn't give a rat's ass about the actual comic or any source material unless you get your Peter Jacksons or Ramis or Arads, but that's what I'm looking at.

Oh and I thought it impossibly, but Harry has gone even more off the deep: http://www.aint-it-cool.com/display.cgi?id=14722

-Xenos

[mister_satan666]

i just wish they got someone sexy for the role
and someone that could act

i really hate Halle Berry

they got MCD for Kingpin cause no one else would do, but you cant sit around and tell me that there isn't an acrobatic blonde haired beauty that can act? Hollywood is full of em

[BLUE WOLF]

wow did anyone see monster's ball or sowrdfish (which mind u was very well acted for such a bad film) berry is a great actress and i am tired of these lame forums ok. listen u know about comics, good 4 u, i doubt most of u can draw or write but who cares. listen berry is a good actress, THE NORMAL PEOPLE AGREED ON DAT SO PLEASE DONT TALK BOUT MS. BERRY

[ModeMan]

Ok, BLUE WOLF, that's below the belt. I can draw and write. Ofcourse not well enough to draw a monthly comic or write a screenplay, but make no mistake I can do both.
I think Halle Barry is a great actress. I think she's proven it several times. And she's sexy as hell. I think that, as far as looks go, dispite her being black she can still pull off Catwoman with ease. It may be a but odd but I think she can do it. And I'm more into the idea of her playing Catwoman than Ashley Judd. But I do worry about how she'll handle the role. If she'll play the headstrong, arrogant, and sexy catburglar-turned hero Selina, the dark, psychotic, mete-human Michelle, or the flamboyant, overbearing, over-the-top Eartha, Julie or some such. I hope for the first one, as I think any comic fan would.
For Batman, and all characters affiliated with him, I really hope Hollywood stays true to the comic(of recent years) the way Raimi did with Spiderman. It would make for a better movie.

[kashanti]

I am writer, so I know how to write films. And Halle cannot, I repeat cannot play this role. Watching her fight as Jinx was laughable. She can act OK, but who in their right mind is going to be afraid of Halle in a fight? Pleeez we would all just laugh.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FireStormTrooper:
<B>This has been rumored since the success and popularity of the character in 1992's BATMAN RETURNS. The original idea for the spinoff was to star that's movie's Catwoman, Michelle Pfieffer. Since then, Ashley Judd (DOUBLE JEOPARDY) and Nicole Kidman (BATMAN FOREVER) have been mentioned as possible leads. Now comes news of Halle Berry (X-MEN, X2) being offered the role.

From a comic reader's point of view, I am far less concerned with Halle Berry's ethnicity as I would be with how she portrays Catwoman (i.e. Selina Kyle, not this Patience Price horseshit). I am surprised that Berry would take on more than one comic book franchise ... but then again maybe she's the rare exception to the rule of typecasting. People know her from enough of her other roles that she could do both Storm and Catwoman and not seriously risk her career as a serious actress (MONSTER'S BALL).</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

[Frostbite]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ModeMan:
But I do worry about how she'll handle the role. If she'll play the headstrong, arrogant, and sexy catburglar-turned hero Selina, the dark, psychotic, mete-human Michelle, or the flamboyant, overbearing, over-the-top Eartha, Julie or some such. I hope for the first one, as I think any comic fan would.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Argh! She's not, I repeat not playing Selina! So who cares how she plays Catwoman? It isn't the same Catwoman!

[ModeMan]

Than what's the bloody point?
She's playing a comic book character but not the same as the one in the comic book? This is shaping up to be reminiscent of the Shaquille Oneal portrayal of Steel.

[D.K.HOOD]

Does anyone remember the Ertha Kitt version of Catwoman from the old Batman series? I think that's what the producers are trying to get by casting Halle Berry. And at first I thought how funny her fight scenes would be also but that's what good stunt doubles are for. You think Michelle Pfeiffer did all that combat with Michael Keaton? Think again. She had a world class kickboxing champion as her double and a good editing job can work wonders.

[JohnJones]

Why warners is wasting their time with a movie on such a second rate player in the Batman books is beyound all sanity.

[D.K.HOOD]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JohnJones:
Why warners is wasting their time with a movie on such a second rate player in the Batman books is beyound all sanity.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Beyound as in Batman Beyound. Batman Beyound goes Around and Around and doesn't hear a Sound. The pitcher steps up onto the Mound, and then grabs some dirt from the Ground!

Everyone with commen sense, just ignore this post.

[D.K.HOOD]

I had no idea that Selina's look had changed so much!
After looking here: http://www.milehighcomics.com/cgi-bin/backissue.cgi?action=fullsize&issue=15435054811%201

and here: http://www.milehighcomics.com/cgi-bin/backissue.cgi?action=fullsize&issue=15435054811%202

I can understand why Warner Bros is looking at Halle Berry for the role. They might as well have the character be Selina Kyle instead changing it to Patience Price.

[GollaFett]

Newbie here, so be gentle.
When I collected Batman comics, Catwoman was not featured very often, so I know little detail about the character. Could someone explain to me why there appears to be 2 names associated with Catwoman? I have never heard of Patience Price, and I know just a little bit about Selena Kyle.

[Frostbite]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GollaFett:
I have never heard of Patience Price.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
That's because she was never in anything. She exists only in the movie.

[WC]

Berry as Catwoman is just plain awful, whichever version she is. At the time of Die Another Day, she herself admitted that she isn't very physical and (this is an important factor), she can't actually RUN very well. She compared herself to Pierce Brosnan who did all this running, and said that she almost had to have lessons on how to run. Now this showed up in that scene in DAD when Bond & Jinx had to run to get that plane at the end of what was a dire movie. When they were running she just didn't look believable, and it conjured up memories of those awful Pierce Brosnan films based on Alistair MaClean's novels with Alexandra Paul.

Now someone like Ashley Judd would have been ideal - she is much more physical and believably so than Berry, and also she is a fresher face, not having appeared everywhere and become over-commercialised. With Judd, the movie would have seemed more arthouse, like many of the Marvel movies are, while with Berry in the lead role, it seems to be simply repeating this big name casting that brought down the Batman film series. Judd is also, in my opinion, far sexier, while Berry, particularly after watching her in Bond, "exudes the sexiness of someone who's failed to pay her gas bill" as one film reviewer wrote about her Jinx character.

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[D.K.HOOD]

Ashley Judd, Art-house? Man, every year Hollywood chooses its new "IT-GIRL" and it was Halle's turn last year. I remember a time when Ashley Judd had at least two high profile movies a year, so I'm not getting your art-house reference. Cloe Sevigny is art-house. Ashley Judd is just on vacation.

[ModeMan]

Judd is hardly a fresh face. I don't like her for the role. Not at all. Mostly because I don't like her. She's a raunch. I don't like her acting or her films.
And do you think Feifer did ANY of her own action scenes in Batman Returns. I don't care if Barry is cast. I don't want Judd to be cast but I don't care if anyone gets cast or if this disaster in the making of a project lifts off the ground.
Making a movie about Catwoman without the inclusion of Batman, without remotely following the story set up by the Batman comics, and casting a star who's incapable in a part that's stale simply to put at least one hero movie to compete with Marvel and meanwhile showing some 'girl power'. What do you call such a movie? Box office poison!
Or Supergirl.

[D.K.HOOD]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ModeMan:
<B> What do you call such a movie? Box office poison!
Or Supergirl.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL! You have to admit, Helen Slater did look good in that outfit. At least I thought she did back in 1984. But you make a good point. I remember liking that movie when I was a kid and now it seems like one of those bad 'Mystery Science Theater 3K' movies. Is that what WB is going for with Catwoman? A PG girl-power flick with pre-teen sex appeal to set up another generation of fanboys with wet dreams ala Princess Leia in her gold bikini?

Nah, that would be too ingenious for Warner Bros.

[WC]

Yes, Helen Slater did look good as Supergirl - she had a kind of innocent beauty that was perfect for the character. And she did look like a student as well. In fact, the whole movie could've been a lot better had there been a different plot and no Faye Dunaway/ Brenda Vacarro/ Peter O'Toole etc.

But as for Halle Berry as Catwoman - while I admit that a stuntwoman can perform some of the actions scenes, there comes a point when it is no longer believable that the actress is doing any of the scenes if the stuntwoman ends up doing everything. For example, when Roger Moore played Bond, towards the latter films of his when he was getting on a bit in years, there was probably a stuntman doing even the walking scenes!

I'm not saying Catwoman has to be Ashley Judd, but I'd far prefer her any day to Halle Berry, who I like even less now after her turn in Die Another Day in which Pierce Brosnan cameoed.

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[D.K.HOOD]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Welshcat:
<B>Yes, Helen Slater did look good as Supergirl - she had a kind of innocent beauty that was perfect for the character. And she did look like a student as well. In fact, the whole movie could've been a lot better had there been a different plot and no Faye Dunaway/ Brenda Vacarro/ Peter O'Toole etc.

But as for Halle Berry as Catwoman - while I admit that a stuntwoman can perform some of the actions scenes, there comes a point when it is no longer believable that the actress is doing any of the scenes if the stuntwoman ends up doing everything. For example, when Roger Moore played Bond, towards the latter films of his when he was getting on a bit in years, there was probably a stuntman doing even the walking scenes!

I'm not saying Catwoman has to be Ashley Judd, but I'd far prefer her any day to Halle Berry, who I like even less now after her turn in Die Another Day in which Pierce Brosnan cameoed.

</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ouch! I haven't seen the film but Halle can't be worse than Denise "Christmas" Richards was in 'The World is Not Enough'.

[WC]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by D.K.HOOD:
Ouch! I haven't seen the film but Halle can't be worse than Denise "Christmas" Richards was in 'The World is Not Enough'. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Maybe not in herself, but the whole Die Another Day movie over-marketed and over-hyped Halle, whereas at least Denise was still in the background and wasn't of such focus, or with the threat of a possible spin-off of her character as seems to be the case with the Jinx character. Don't get me wrong, I like James Bond, but in my opinion this last film was everything that a Bond movie shouldn't be, and even Pierce Brosnan was below par, not that his acting is all that great anyway (but his weaknesses showed more in this film than it usually does). The whole film seemed more geared towards a xXx audience which DAD seemed designed to compete with, instead of being true to itself.

I didn't mind Halle too much when she was Storm because she wasn't overly ubiquitous. But now that she's so much in the spotlight, I can see that Catwoman would be played more as "Halle/Jinx in a Catwoman costume" rather than as a pure Catwoman movie without distraction from the leading lady.

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[ModeMan]

I liked Die Another Day. I thought it was pretty good fun though the directing style did take some odd turns to seemingly compete with xXx or MI: 2. That's right. To me, some of the directing resembled MI: 2. I still thought it was good. I guess my greatest dissapointment was that Bond only two women and that they were both so PC.
Robbie Williams puts it best the way the Bond films should be.
"Bonnie, meet MacDougal. MacDougal; Bonnie. Now run along, Bonnie, and fetch us some tea. Man talk."
A little slap, a little tickle and Sean Connery. It's what made Bond.

[ModeMan]

So, anyway. Before I went into my review for Die Another Day we were talking about... oh yeah! How much the premise for the Catwoman movie sucks and is doomed to failure!
http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/crazy.gif

[WC]

So has everyone seen the new Catwoman picture (fan feed on the front page) with Halle Tosis?

I personally think the costume looks rather silly - definitely NOT an improvement at all on the Michelle Pfieffer version, which was far superior. Even the 1960s Catwoman was preferrable. I'd personally have liked the purple one from the comic, but I suppose it doesn't matter anyway since I don't like the casting of Halle Berry in the role (or the other cast members, eg Sharon Stone) and won't be seeing this film whatever happens.

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[D.K.HOOD]

Call me a skeptic but I'm not sure that photo was real. Or maybe I've just been hanging around here too long.

[The Xenos]

If this photos is real, then this movie has gone down to a new level of suck. Helle BErry sounded iffy. Then the whole non-Selena Catwoman thing and the half assed link to the Burton Catwoman which Warners refuses to leave in that film. Well this is just crappy icing to a crappy cake.

My roomate said it best. It's not even a costume, it's leftovers from an S&M show.

Then agian this film seems to be left overs from teh Burton Catwoman anyway. And mind you how long ago that movie was. Anyone smelled milk that's been left out for that long?

-Xenos

[Darth_zaiyen]

Ugh, I hated it as well. Stupid sexy Halle Berry.

And is it just me or does that plot sound a lot like Selina's story in 'Returns'? She gets pissed off at her evil boss, becomes a costumed vigilante, and then the one guy that is trying to uphold peace in the city tries to crack down on her, and falls in love with her.

[imported_Robbo]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by D.K.HOOD:
Call me a skeptic but I'm not sure that photo was real. Or maybe I've just been hanging around here too long.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm pretty sure it is. If you go to Time.com the exact text that SHH copied and pasted is on that site under the banner of "FIRST LOOK". Clearly the monday issue of Time will feature a picture of Halle in the cat gear. I gotta figure that's the picture.

[imported_StormShadow]

WHY DEAR GOD WHY?!?! SHE HAD OPEN TOED SHOES FOR CHRISSAKES!!! But in all honesty, why couldn't they use the fantastic costume Selina has in the comics right now? I mean, Halle pretty much wore that costume in Die another day, just give her some higher boots and maybe a mask....I DON'T EVEN NEED THE MASK!!! Just...christ why??? She looks like that crappy Black Scorpion show.

[ModeMan]

Can't those stupid bastards at Warner see further than a week into the future? This movie is built around a horrible premise and will only harm the coming Batman franchise.
Honestly! Catwoman is a disgruntled cosmetics scientist who was mistreated by her boss? They tried a similar thing once. It ended up being Poison Ivy in Batman and Robin. This movie will blow. And, what's worse, it will hurt the possibility of puting Catwoman in any of the coming Batman movies. The only way to recover, it would seem, is to put a completely seperate Catwoman in a future Batman movie that is completely detatched from this one and hope people forget this... thing ever happened.

[WC]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ModeMan:
<B>Can't those stupid bastards at Warner see further than a week into the future? This movie is built around a horrible premise and will only harm the coming Batman franchise.
Honestly! Catwoman is a disgruntled cosmetics scientist who was mistreated by her boss? They tried a similar thing once. It ended up being Poison Ivy in Batman and Robin. This movie will blow. And, what's worse, it will hurt the possibility of puting Catwoman in any of the coming Batman movies. The only way to recover, it would seem, is to put a completely seperate Catwoman in a future Batman movie that is completely detatched from this one and hope people forget this... thing ever happened.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's the same thing they should do with Die Another Day and Jinx. Forget it ever happened, and return to the trusted formula of old.

And BTW, I wouldn't have minded the open-toed shoes so much if the rest of the costume was more faithful. But it does literally look like left overs from the Michelle Pfieffer costume - at least the pieces they could salvage from the dumpster to assemble into this costume.


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[The Xenos]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by StormShadow:
WHY DEAR GOD WHY?!?! SHE HAD OPEN TOED SHOES FOR CHRISSAKES!!! But in all honesty, why couldn't they use the fantastic costume Selina has in the comics right now? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You are so right! The recent Catwoman revamp is so wonderful I am boggled why they would do this. Heck, not just the costume either. The character, tone, and plot are perfect for a smart heist film. HEck, hasn't the book had good buzz too? Instead we get this dumbed down and ugly piece of crap. Can't wait to hear Halle's 'witty' Yo Mama jokes in this one. Blorch.

-Xenos

[Juvenilemike]

Yes. Mighty suckage abounds.

Mike

[WC]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by The Xenos:
<B> Can't wait to hear Halle's 'witty' Yo Mama jokes in this one. Blorch.

-Xenos</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sharon Stone: Who made that costume?

Halle Berry: "Yo Mama did!"


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[norrinraad]

LOL! This is great! Once the trailer hits theatres audiences are going to laugh louder than the British did when 'Free Willy' finally made it over there! What's with the Mickey Mouse ears? She looks like a dominatrix employed by Disney after the company suddenly turned X Rated. Ah, I was starting to worry after Warner Brothers hired Nolan and Bale that they were finally starting to get a clue. Nice to see the more things change, the more they stay the same!

As a side note, Halle is starting to look a little too, um, aerobicized. She needs to get to the nearest Wendys ASAP...

[Sonic1002]

After seeing that costuem, I have come to a conclusion: This movie's gonna SUCK!!!!

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Now comes the part where I relieve you, the little people, of the burden of your failed and useless lives. But remember, as my plastic surgeon always said: if you gotta go, go with a smile.
-Joker

[Marrow2000]

OMG.... u mean that's the real picture? I thought it was a joke, when someone sent me that... what the ***k is that? That's not a believable costume at all. And open-toed heels..?? Why would anyone believe that a woman making a costume that she will fight in would wear open-toed heels.

It's not like they make her look sexy in the heels...

[Sonic1002]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Marrow2000:
<B>OMG.... u mean that's the real picture? I thought it was a joke, when someone sent me that... what the ***k is that? That's not a believable costume at all. And open-toed heels..?? Why would anyone believe that a woman making a costume that she will fight in would wear open-toed heels.

It's not like they make her look sexy in the heels...</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Like I said, this movie's gonna SUCK!!!!!


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Now comes the part where I relieve you, the little people, of the burden of your failed and useless lives. But remember, as my plastic surgeon always said: if you gotta go, go with a smile.
-Joker

[imported_StormShadow]

well now Im just confused. In the pictures they showed on Superhero Hype Halle is wearing a completely different costume. This one looks exactly like the one in the comics scept she didn't have a mask on. It actually looked good. I PRAY TO GOD THAT THIS IS JUST SOME HORRIBLE MISTAKE AND THAT IS THE ACTUAL COSTUME!!!

[bluemango]

Oh...my...god. Just saw the photo of halle in the catwoman costume and feel like clawing my eyes out. OHHH the pain! What the hell kind of look was Warner Brothers trying to go for? She looks like a damn stripper, and I really can't believe WB is so out of tune with how repulsive this whole movie is to the fans. As someone said before, there are so many athletic blondes to choose from, why did they have to go with someone whose resume includes playing the totally plastic Storm as well as Bond's hood ornament girlfriend Jinx?
It's be funny if it weren't so horrifying. Patience Price? Why doesn't Warner Brothers just throw me in front of a cement mixer. God, knowing full and well that i must sound like a total geek, i yearn for the days of Michelle Pfeiffer's psycho selena kyle.
Everyone keeps mentioning that Patience Price isn't Selena Kyle. duh. Patience Price (Halle's version, anyway), looks like a wanna be crimefighter who recently raided a Victoria's Secret. There is no justice in the world if this shit-fest is made. None.

[Sonic1002]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by bluemango:
<B>Oh...my...god. Just saw the photo of halle in the catwoman costume and feel like clawing my eyes out. OHHH the pain! What the hell kind of look was Warner Brothers trying to go for? She looks like a damn stripper, and I really can't believe WB is so out of tune with how repulsive this whole movie is to the fans. As someone said before, there are so many athletic blondes to choose from, why did they have to go with someone whose resume includes playing the totally plastic Storm as well as Bond's hood ornament girlfriend Jinx?
It's be funny if it weren't so horrifying. Patience Price? Why doesn't Warner Brothers just throw me in front of a cement mixer. God, knowing full and well that i must sound like a total geek, i yearn for the days of Michelle Pfeiffer's psycho selena kyle.
Everyone keeps mentioning that Patience Price isn't Selena Kyle. duh. Patience Price (Halle's version, anyway), looks like a wanna be crimefighter who recently raided a Victoria's Secret. There is no justice in the world if this shit-fest is made. None.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

This isn't Catwoman. This is Stripperella, gone kitty.

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Now comes the part where I relieve you, the little people, of the burden of your failed and useless lives. But remember, as my plastic surgeon always said: if you gotta go, go with a smile.
-Joker

[D.K.HOOD]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sonic1002:
<B> This isn't Catwoman. This is Stripperella, gone kitty.

</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I smell a pussy(cat) joke in there somewhere.

[Sonic1002]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by D.K.HOOD:
I smell a pussy(cat) joke in there somewhere.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I was TRYING to go around that.....

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Now comes the part where I relieve you, the little people, of the burden of your failed and useless lives. But remember, as my plastic surgeon always said: if you gotta go, go with a smile.
-Joker

[imported_StormShadow]

HA HA! There is a silver lining to all of this! In case you didn't read the story already it seems like that was one of the original press photo's and they gave that to Time because it was the only ready picture (which is still retarded if you ask me) But the pictures on SHH are actual set photos and Halle is actually wearing the costume shown there. IT ACTUALLY LOOKS LIKE THE ONE IN THE COMICS!!! YAY!!! A full leather cat suit. Now if only we could get rid of this silly notion of Patience Price.

[ModeMan]

Just read the script pages that are on the internet. This movie really REALLY shouldn't be made. It almost seems more prudent to just stop filming and pack up. It might save money, it would definately save the stars, director, and producers from an embarassing black mark on their careers.

[FireStormTrooper]

I'm almost positive that the ridiculous Catsuit we all saw was a gag aimed at freaking out fanboys. However, I've heard nothing that says Selina Kyle is Catwoman or that Patience Price is not. That bothers me, but not as much as the gag catsuit did.

[The Xenos]

I'm sure it's not a gag. What it may be is an early degisn that hopefully was throw out. Or maybe somewhere in this crazy mixed up and possibly crappy film she ends up in this outfit. Who knows? And if she isn't Selina, then I have no interest in this film and I don't think it should even be made. At least don't call it Catwoman.

-Xenos

[ModeMan]

There's a link at this site that will lead you to about 5 pages of the script. Her name is Patience Price in the movie, not Selena Kyle. So Halle was interested in the part because it's something Eartha Kitt played, but she's not playing the same part as Kitt. This is just lame.

Oh well. Nothing we say will change what's in motion. I don't even care anymore. I just wont see the movie. Best of luck to all involved. If this has a negative effect on the Batman movies I'll hate you forever.

[Golden Falcon]

Hmmmm...

Was Eartha Kitt in fact Selina Kyle?
Was it ever really established on the show?

Things to make you go Hmmmm

[ModeMan]

Actually I don't know. I think that pretty much all the villains on the old Batman show stayed villains full-time. No alter-egos. So I guess it could be argued that Kitt played Patience Price. Anything's possible.
It doesn't look like this Catwoman even roams in Gotham though. So, again, this whole thing is as far removed from the comic Catwoman as can be, which makes it a pretty stupid idea if you ask me. Just call it something else. It seems that this movie is being made as something to staple the title 'Catwoman' on to pull in some money. I wouldn't care except that I don't want it to ruin the chance of putting the comic version of Catwoman into a future Batman film.

[WC]

Just call this movie "Jinx", and kill two attrocious birds with one colossal stone (and Sharon Stone too). I think even if Halle Berry were playing Selina Kyle, I'd still not want to watch this film.

On another note, in the Batman 1966 movie, was Lee Meriweather actually Selina Kyle? I remember she had another Russian sounding name, which could've also just been her alternate identity when fooling Bruce Wayne.

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[The Xenos]

Well said, o Felis purplis.

And you are correct on her Russian name, Miss Kitka. (Oh how wonderfully bad that show and movie was.) It was jsut an alias to fool Wayne.

Man, why do they have to even compare to Kitt?! Halle Berry needs to get over the fact she is black. She does not have to represent or rerepresent every freaking black actress in history. Just be an actress dammit. Hell, she shouldn't tarnish Kitt's name by even associating herself with her. The role is comepletely different. I don't mind if Catwoman is black. I mind that snooty Halle Berry is 'Catwoman' and she's making an issue of it.

Also, why the hell does the studio validate this one by comparing it with other film interpreations of the character. They're making a copy of a copy and you know how well those come out. This is a mess of Birds of Prey proportions if not bigger. I will never understand why they can't leave Burton's mythos in that film. I could take it there. Putting it anywhere else is just senseless. That version had it's time. As did Kitt's and the other 60s ones. Why not let a more realistic and likely stronger one based on the excellent currents books have its day? I don't understand how no one gets this.

And for the record, I woulda dropped the damn bomb on those ducks. Maybe even that bar of goons.

-Xenos

[BIGGS]

I understand the need to adapt elements of a comic book for the sake of the Big Screen.

But why did they have to completely overhaul the Catwoman character and her history?

I can understand them wanting to dis-associate her from Batman, but would it be that hard to draft a script that at least retained the main character's name and central location.

At the very least, they should have retained Catwoman's Secret Identity, Selina Kyle, and the location of Gotham City.

And what the hell is she in this move anyway, a metahuman? Don't get me wrong, I think Pfeffier was the perfect Catwoman, but would it be that hard to stay closer to the comic-book.

Couldn't they allow Catwoman to remain a cunning cat-burgular who relies on her stealth and sensuality rather than powers.

And the costume is hideous, and Halle Barry is wrong for the part. They should have cast either Ashley Judd, or my fav. Catherine Zeta-Jones.

[Frostbite]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BIGGS:
<B>I understand the need to adapt elements of a comic book for the sake of the Big Screen.

But why did they have to completely overhaul the Catwoman character and her history?

I can understand them wanting to dis-associate her from Batman, but would it be that hard to draft a script that at least retained the main character's name and central location.

At the very least, they should have retained Catwoman's Secret Identity, Selina Kyle, and the location of Gotham City.

And what the hell is she in this move anyway, a metahuman? Don't get me wrong, I think Pfeffier was the perfect Catwoman, but would it be that hard to stay closer to the comic-book.

Couldn't they allow Catwoman to remain a cunning cat-burgular who relies on her stealth and sensuality rather than powers.

And the costume is hideous, and Halle Barry is wrong for the part. They should have cast either Ashley Judd, or my fav. Catherine Zeta-Jones.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Newbies annoy me.

[The Xenos]

said the guy who quoted the entire previous post...

-Xenos

[Jedi Master Khalel]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BIGGS:
<B>
I understand the need to adapt elements of a comic book for the sake of the Big Screen.
But why did they have to completely overhaul the Catwoman character and her history?
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Tell that to nemo, the guy who wants a Superman Blue themed movie... http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/biggrin.gif

Greetings,
Jose a.k.a. Jedi Master Khalel

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So what!? IT'S MY LIFE!!

[Frostbite]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by The Xenos:
said the guy who quoted the entire previous post...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Because I was annoyed by the entire thing. I just didn't want anyone to think I was referring to Catherine Zeta-Jones as a newbie.

[D.K.HOOD]

Grin and bear it folks, because the movie is in production and there ain't nothin you can do about it.

Long live Talia!

[ModeMan]

Nothing we can do about it but as nerdy, friendless, no-lifes we have the luxury of being able to come on a computer and piss and moan about it to people we'll never meet and have no effect on the film anyway. Long live the internet eh?

I'm past complaining really because, yes, this is going to happen. I'm just trying to understand why they're making this film. Not just from a Batman fan perspective but just from a film fan prospective. It just seems like this movie is going to suck a whole lot on it's own. Aside from that fact that it's removed from the character it's based on in about every way and that it could ruin Catwoman in future Batman films(no casual movie goers are thinking about that anyway), it just seems like a bad movie. This script set in Gotham and with the name Selina Kyle would still suck. So it doesn't matter. But why do they insist on making such a sure miss film?

[ModeMan]

Ok, so Halle was just on Letterman. The first thing they spoke on was Catwoman. She said that this Catwoman is not THE Catwoman but one of 9 Catwomen that exist in the world. Since this dissasociates her with the Gotham Catoman I suppose I can live with it. So whatever.

[bottleHeD]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jedi Master Khalel:
<B> Tell that to nemo, the guy who wants a Superman Blue themed movie... http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/biggrin.gif

Greetings,
Jose a.k.a. Jedi Master Khalel

</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>well, hey, Blue isn't a complete overhaul outta thin air, it's actually part of the sups mythos.. unlike patience @#&@$% price..

[bottleHeD]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ModeMan:
Ok, so Halle was just on Letterman. The first thing they spoke on was Catwoman. She said that this Catwoman is not THE Catwoman but one of 9 Catwomen that exist in the world. Since this dissasociates her with the Gotham Catoman I suppose I can live with it. So whatever.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>wtf?? 9 catwomen?? where the hell did that come outta? or have i been so badly outta tocuh with comix??
Man this is equivalent to fraud. Non-comic fans might still think this catwoman is associated with batman..
but then again, this sets up the premise for 8 sequels, featuring all the other catwomen! sheessh...

[ModeMan]

No this 9 different Catwomen thing doesn't come from the comics as far as I know since in the comics there's nothing mystical about Catwoman. She's just an agile woman who became a theif mostly for fame and thrills and found she was really freakin' good at it, and eventually switched to the good side.
However, I can live with it, like I said, because I really feel this movie is going to suck. That's fine. It doesn't matter since they're making this movie regardless of what anyone thinks. But what had me afraid was that this would screw up the perception of Catwoman and thus screw up Catwoman in future Batflicks. Since this says that Patience Price isn't the Catwoman we all know and love but there are other Catwomen out there, it leaves the way open for a Catwoman in a Batman film(named Selina Kyle) that doesn't suck.
I'd still prefere this movie never gets made but whatever. Knowing that it will be made regardless of what anyone thinks, the only thing I wanted from it was to clearly dissasociate this Catwoman from the Batman Catwoman. I got that. They can do whatever now. No more complaints from me.

[The Xenos]

Ok, this movie just keeps sounding stupider and stupider. Plus so I Halle Berry. Just when I think she's a decent actress *BAM* she says stupid shit like this. I'm surpised her last Storm was decent. What is it with her and trying to take over and ruin franchises that could be good. X-Men, Bond, and (now worst of them all) Catwoman. Next thing you know they're gonna have a gay robot sidekick. Is Jon Peters involved or just the crazy person who made that Birds of Prey crap?

-Xenos

[bottleHeD]

how in the whole wide freakin' world did DC agree to this travesty of a movie????

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[FireStormTrooper]

DC Comics had nothing to do with this. That's the double-edged sword of being owned by a giant conglomerate like AOL-Time-Warner. Since ATW owns DC Comics outright, they need not consult with DC on ANY of their movies. Once they option off a character/franchise to a particular studio, that studio can do whatever it wants with the source material and the only stipulation is the heads of ATW have to like it. DC is not involved. Unlike Marvel, which now has its own studio, DC doesn't have a point man like Ari to ensure faithful translations of their properties.

[ModeMan]

Halle Berry is hard to understand. She's won an Oscar and she deserved it. She is a really good actress... sometimes. That's the problem. She's good but she's inconsistent and that goes for the films she does as well. She'll be in really good films and then in really crappy films. It's bizarre. I guess that's the way of most actors and actresses though. Catherine Zeta Jones is a good actress and insanely gorgeous just like Berry, but half her movies or more are, let's face it, crap.

What I understand least is Berry wanting more money for the next X movie than she should get. She is not what draws the crowd when it comes to the X-Men movies. No one person is, really since they're ensemble films filled with fantastic actors, but if any one person is it's Hugh Jackman. Anyway, sorry. Tangent. If Berry wants show Fox how much money she's worth, Catwoman is not the proof. Oh well.

[WC]

Maybe after the travesty of Catwoman, Fox will sack her from X-Men 3, and MGM won't go ahead with a Jinx movie. Here's hoping!

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Meoww! Send in the clowns!

[D.K.HOOD]

Honestly, at first I thought you guys were just being a bunch of whiny comic geeks. We all do it. But now that I've seen the up-close pictures of that stupid mask and shredded costume I fully support you, my geek brethren!

[norrinraad]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Welshcat:
Maybe after the travesty of Catwoman, Fox will sack her from X-Men 3, and MGM won't go ahead with a Jinx movie. Here's hoping!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Don't tell me you're trying to jinx Halle's new franchise! http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/tongue.gif

Ouch, that one was painful, even for me...

[WC]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by norrinraad:
<B> Don't tell me you're trying to jinx Halle's new franchise! http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/tongue.gif

Ouch, that one was painful, even for me...</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think Halle has managed that all on her own, thank you.

WB could just call this movie "Jinx the Cat." http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/biggrin.gif

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Meoww! Send in the clowns!

[WC]

The latest news, according to a press release is that Halle Berry's character name of Patience Price has been changed to Patience Philips. Of course, that could be just a mistake. Not that we care either way.
http://www.x3movie.net/catwoman/pressrelease.html

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Meoww! Send in the clowns!

[ModeMan]

Anyone see the anti-Catwoman article? Poor Halle Berry. I think she knows our complaints and I think in the interviews she's trying to address them. It seems when she says the whole '9 different Catwomen' thing she's trying to reassure people that there is possibility for a Batman Catwoman to come along. But that isn't pleasing anyone. And really, it shouldn't. The movie is still carrying a name that carries 60 years of comic weight and pretty much butchering a character that people love so much. People are gonna be pissed. And, yeah, I realize it's not the same character, but it's the name. Fans were pissed when a sci-fi set in the real world where aliens invaded got the title Final Fantasy. It shouldn't have, and niether should Catwoman. Like I say in most of my posts lately... oh well.

[The Xenos]

Gotta love the director's comments in Wizard in today's FanFeed: "I checked out some to see how Catwoman is treated in the comics, to make sure that our Catwoman was in the same vein. But I didn't want to be too influenced by the comic book, because the whole point of the movie is to be first a movie, and to be different."
Since when are adaptations supposed to be different from the book? Ever heard of wonderful films like Lord of the Rings and one of my favorites (book and movie) To Kill a Mockingbird! Wonderful films that stayed true to the souce. If this film was even half as close as those were, I'd be happier than this piece of crap.

-Xenos

[The Xenos]

There is a line I just heard from the old Adam West Bamtan movie that reminded me of this new Catwoman film, "Some days you jsut can't get rid of a bomb."

-Xenos

[WC]

Well, apparently Ashley Judd now regrets turning down the role of Catwoman after seeing Halle Berry in the cat suit, and thinks it was the stupidest decision she ever made. Judd thinks that Catwoman could've been her.

Well, I have to say that I also regret Ashley Judd turning down the role - now we have to put up with Halle Berry. I hope that if Judd had played the role she would've stuck to being Selina Kyle (it suits her more than this new character, Patience Testing). I also hope that she would've gone with a more traditional cat suit. Oh well, it's too late now - another franchise ruined. However, if Catwoman was inevitably going to be made the way it has been, and it does bomb now, maybe Ashley Judd would be relieved rather than regretful.

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Meoww! Send in the clowns!

[ModeMan]

Screw that. I can't freakin stand Ashley Judd. She's aweful and the movie would still suck with her. I doubt she would have it stick with the Selina story any more than Halle did. What does she know about the comics? She say's she hates having passed up the role because she loves what they're doing with it. Besides, Halle seems like she's at least a nice person and at least a little down to earth. Ashley's a jerk.

So that said, I wish Ashley did get the part so her career could take a dive instead of Barrey's.

[The Xenos]

Well Judd or Berry, I never cared for either snooty actress.

I still can't get over what that director Pitof siad, that he wants to make this number one a movie and different. Sounds more like he's making number 2 to me. Damn Frenchies.

I can't help but this ogf this as a horrible adaptation, nevermind it's own problems in the movie itself. It's like making To Kill a Mockingbird as a western and making Atticus into Peyote Pete the gunslinger. Where do they get this crap?

Considering this to be a Catwoman movie is like considering that Dungeons and Dragons movie to be an adaptation of Lord of the Rings!

-Xenos

[norrinraad]

I think Judd regrets her decision now because she perceives a "cool" factor in the role and figures it could have beefed up her image. If she had any real love for the character she would have accepted it the first time around. Her motives are dubious so I'm glad she's not in it. She made her decision and shouldn't whine about it now. However, there's something very existential about her comments. We all make decisions and hope we can live with them if they turn out to be the wrong ones. Isn't it great when Hollywood stars get a serious dose of reality? http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/tongue.gif

[BIGGS]

I think that Ashley Judd would, at the very least, have been a better Catwoman than Halle Berry.

It is a shame that Warner Bros. is insisting on pushing this movie out. You gotta wonder what goes through the minds of these movie execs. With all of the negative feedback that the film is getting, they know that this Catwoman will bomb, and bomb big time.

This is Warner Brother's first attempt at a DC comic book-movie in a while. You'd think that with "Steel" and "Batman and Robin", they would at least try this time around. You gotta figure that when this movie fails, it will have the opposite effect that Spiderman had for Marvel and sour people on DC.

And the irony is, a Catwoman movie probably had the most potential of any DC Comic book adaptation. There haven't yet been any comic book movies based on a female character or hero. Catwoman is probably one of the most well-known and relatable character stories that DC could offer.

Imagine a well-done Catwoman movie that built on Burton's introduction of the character. Catwoman prowling the Gotham City Rooftops, te cunning thief/crime fighter.

I def. know more female comic book fans who like Catwoman than Wonder Woman.

[bottleHeD]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BIGGS:
<B>I think that Ashley Judd would, at the very least, have been a better Catwoman than Halle Berry.

Imagine a well-done Catwoman movie that built on Burton's introduction of the character. Catwoman prowling the Gotham City Rooftops, te cunning thief/crime fighter.

I def. know more female comic book fans who like Catwoman than Wonder Woman.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I second all of that..

[Majik1387]

I still don't understand why Catwoman is getting her own movie. Can someone explain why they're making a Catwoman movie?

[The Xenos]

Well the thing is, they're not really making a Catwoman moive. they making a two bit ripoff of Burton's character from Batman Returns (who was barely Catwoman there) and creating a starring vehicle and possible franchise (UGH) for Diva of the Day Halle Berry.

Now if you check out some of the latest Catwoman series by Ed Brubaker, you should see the potential Seila Kyle / Catwoman has in a story of her own.

-Xenos

[Majik1387]

I don't think they should have made a Catwoman movie on whoever Patience Price is. They should have made it a Selina Kyle movie and my choice for Selina (since Michelle is a little old and Nicole Kidman was already in Batman Forever as a psychiatrist) would either be Ashley Judd or Angelina Jolie

[norrinraad]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by The Xenos:
Now if you check out some of the latest Catwoman series by Ed Brubaker, you should see the potential Seila Kyle / Catwoman has in a story of her own.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I still can't understand why WB didn't go this route. Normally I don't condemn a film before it opens but I must admit that the direction being taken with Catwoman is baffling. It's like making a Dracula film and calling it Charlie or something. Catwoman is a well-established property and in Brubaker's series we have over two years of great stories to reference that really get to the core of who Selina is and what drives her. Surely there must be something within these 25 issues that could make for a compelling film.

Catwoman may surprise us all and kick everyone's @$$ but so far it doesn't look very promising...

[D.K.HOOD]

Hey, you guys better hurry up and pre-order your Catwoman Movie Novelization! I know all of you have been dying from anticipation. Quick, click on that link to the right. Go, go, now now! I'm going to buy 15 of them and hand them out to all of my bestest friends, whoopeee! Oh man o man o man I CAN'T WAIT for this to *cough*...for this to *choke*... *ulp*...for this....HOOOAARFFF!

Ugh, I almost choked on my own sarcasm there. EWWww, a hairball.

[GRIM]

you know, I have this curse. I Have to see any C2F. I just do, I even atleast rented LXG, but this. no, I will not be seeing this movie. COME ON DC! GET IT TOGETHER! That freekin company has a million characters that could make an interesting movie, hell catwoman wouldt even be that bad, if they could do it right.

I think the problem is that DC dosnt have an Avi Arad, thats what they need, a man to make sure it goes in the right direction.

there Im done, no more on this crap fest.

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[Bullseye333]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GRIM:
<B>you know, I have this curse. I Have to see any C2F. I just do, I even atleast rented LXG, but this. no, I will not be seeing this movie. COME ON DC! GET IT TOGETHER! That freekin company has a million characters that could make an interesting movie, hell catwoman wouldt even be that bad, if they could do it right.

I think the problem is that DC dosnt have an Avi Arad, thats what they need, a man to make sure it goes in the right direction.

there Im done, no more on this crap fest.

</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

i agree, and DC never had too many good ideas anyway

[D.K.HOOD]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GRIM:
<B>I think the problem is that DC dosnt have an Avi Arad, thats what they need, a man to make sure it goes in the right direction.
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually that's been taken care of since December last year. The hollywood honcho's name isGregory Noveck (http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=3075).

[The Xenos]

*bump*

The toehr day i saw this fanfeed: http://www.comics2film.com/FanFrame.php?f_id=5598

Now the costumes is retarded enough as it is. But then I see they're making a children's verion of it too. That's great. Perfect for when your child wants to dress as a cheap domimatrix whore for Halloween.

-Xenos

[D.K.HOOD]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by The Xenos:
<B>*bump*

The toehr day i saw this fanfeed: http://www.comics2film.com/FanFrame.php?f_id=5598

Now the costumes is retarded enough as it is. But then I see they're making a children's verion of it too. That's great. Perfect for when your child wants to dress as a cheap domimatrix whore for Halloween.

-Xenos</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Okay, somebody needs to get their ass kicked for putting that little girl in that costume and taking a picture of her. Seriously, that ain't right.

[Astolot]

Disclaimer: First time poster, long time reader. AKA one of those dreaed noobs.

I think Halle just needs a better agent. She doesn't have the best track record for film roles (hi, The Rich Man's Wife, Gothika, BAPS, an Oprah Winfrey presents TV special...).

And it seems this Catwoman role isn't woman-unjustly-accused-and-needs-a-strong-male-mentor-to-help-her enough for Ashley Judd (citing the plot of nearly every Ashley Judd movie in the past five years; see this week's EW for a more in-depth analysis).

On the costume: the first thing that struck me was how cheap it looks - like it rolled off that online costume page, pulled from one of those "$39.99 Special!" bags you buy at the last minute.

~A

[The Xenos]

Heh. I forgot she was in BAPS. Ha. Just when I thought I couldn't think any less of her. I still don't care if she won the Oscar for that one role. To me she's still just a stuck up second rate actress.

-Xenos

[The Xenos]

ACK! Every time Ms. BAPS opens her dman mouth it makes me hate her more.

found a wonderful comment here: http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=3454

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Variety has an in-depth article about Halle Berry and the new Warner Brothers feline film. Berry found the process of diving into the character a revelation. nitially, the idea of playing Catwoman just seemed exciting. I had no idea what would come to me until I started delving into the character," she said. "It's much more than a one-dimensional comicbook, and it wasn't until I got into the process that I discovered there was more in the script and that I could add more to it from my personal experience."
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-Xenos

[The Xenos]

Movie list has a short low quality teaser up for Catowman.
http://www.movie-list.com/trailers.php?id=catwoman

Man, I was very much thinking this movie would suck major, but after seeing this teaser, I think I may have some faith in it after all.

-Xenos

[batmanfan123]

this movie is going to suck

ppl will like it but it will suck to true batman fans

reasons

1.her name won't be celina kyle

2.it is not set in gotham

these r 2 reasons why it will suck

[The Xenos]

did any of u ppl see the nu trailer

er.. Did anyone catch the new trailer?

Man, this is looking more and more like Generic Superhero Movie #437 starring Halle Berry. Hell, was it just me or did they have a bad rip off of the E.S. Posthumous music from the Spider-man trailer too? Plus geez did she look like Spider-man in a couple bits. Wow. Very very lame.

-Xenos

[The Xenos]

Ha! Check out this fan feed story: http://www.comics2film.com/FanFrame.php?f_id=7137
or http://www.examiner.ie/breaking/2004/05/12/story147167.html

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Film's criticism adds to Halle's woes

Still devastated by her shattered marriage, heart-broken Halle Berry is having to deal with a deluge of negative criticism for her latest film, Catwoman.

The buzz on the film, set for its American release this July, has been so bad that Halle missed last month’s film industry convention ShoWest - even though she was supposed to be honoured as Female Star of the Year, says the National Enquirer.

Her rep blames an ear infection for the no-show but an insider at ShoWest said: "Early online trailers of Catwoman have been pulled and they’re sending cease-and-desist letters to Web sites that were playing it.

"Everyone is really embarrassed by it - especially Halle."
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I honestly cnanot feel bad for these people. Reap what you sow. They put together a half assed generic superhero star vehicle. PLus all they did was remake part of Batman Returns and added some of their own crap.

The real sign that even they know what a bomb they ahve is that they are pulliung the trailer form sites. That is a bit surprising. I wonder if they finally realize how bad it is. Man that trailer was terrible.

The only thing I can regret if this movie bombs is that the same director is going to do a movie based oin the very good comic Rex Mundi. So if this tnaks, i wonder the fate of that film which likley would be actually based on teh damn book.

-Xenos

[imported_Robbo]

Not to defend Catwoman (I'm not feeling optimistic about it, but I'll wait until I see it) but...

Just keep in mind that that article was sourced to the National Enquirer...not exactly a font of reputable reporting.

Also, contrary to the report, the official trailer is still online. I think the ones that were pulled were clips scammed off of TV shows, like the "Happy Birthday Oprah" clip. It's not uncommon for the studios to go after website airing unsanctioned materials.

And hey...maybe Halle missed ShoWest because of an infection.

Or...then again...maybe it's all a big suckfest waiting to happen.

We'll find out soon!

[The Xenos]

Well the trailer is still up at jurassicpunk.com.

After watching it again I still can't help be reminded of other comic movies. Again, the music sounded like a lame rip off of Pompeii from the Spider-man trailer. I just know it's not the same song. Pompeii was good though a bit overused as most trailer music is. This is like the lame rock rip off version.

The motorcycle thing reminds me of the Daredevil trailer. The library scene and her posing in it remind me of Spiderman. Yeah, I knnow, cats always land on their feet is what they were going for. What an excessive way to show off cat powers. It is sounding more like Spider-man than Catwoman. Plus, if I think these look like lame knockoffs of previous films, what is the genral viewer gonna think? "Oh another lame comic movie?"

Plus Halle looks horrible in the first scene. I'm sure this is on purpose for Mouse Patience Wahtever, but blah. Plus dear crap does she not look black at times. Gosh damn I got relatives who are darker than she is. Plus we see Sharon Stone as what I now realize is a female Christopher Walken. Egad she looks terrible as well. Though I admit I was never much of a fan.

-Xenos

[Essex]

So if the majority of the people posting here have no intention of seeing the movie, what's the problem? If it's no good, who cares? You won't have seen it anyway. Contrary to what you may or may not believe, WB merely making this movie is not a personal insult to you that requires constant complaining.

This movie has nothing to do with Batman? So what? All the better for you, I suppose. But what does that have to do with the overall quality of the movie? Well gee, I can think of a good number of movies right now that had nothing to do with Batman but were still pretty damn good...!

Say what you will about Halle Berry, but whether you like her personally (based on nearly nothing, I might add) or whether you think she deserved her Oscar or not, that is no reason why she should be dragged below all other actresses. I happen to think she deserved the accolades for Monster's Ball, but even if she didn't she is still at least as capable as the likes of Ashley Judd or others. The constant complaining about her is based on personal bias and nothing more.

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"That which does not kill us...makes us stranger." - Trevor Goodchild, Aeon Flux

[The Xenos]

Meh, I thought the Enquirer was only for the ear infection thing. I got my hopes up. Though that trailer was still pretty terrible. WHile it could ahve been just a bad trailer, I think it's a sign of how poorly this film was made. I was hoping Warner might have actually heard the bad buzz from it, but I am not surpised if they didn't.

Plus I don't think Halle can hear much buzz beside the buzz in her head. Yeah, a number of us have problems with her, but after bland overrated roles in major fanchises we love like X-Men and Bond (the later which she tried to spin off her own franchise), there should be no wonder why she left a bad taste in our mouths. Whenever I hear her talk in interviews I wonder what world she's in. I know there are planty of egotistical Hollywood stars in their own world, but somehting about her bugs me. Maybe because she's taken that attitude toward three franchies fans including msyelf love.

Speaking of stupid character/franchise ruining movies, I just remember she had a bit part in Batman & Robin as a henchwoman to Mr Freeze named, I kid you not, Miss B. Havin. Plus I remember being annoyed at her back then because she had an interview about it and acted like it was such a great role, as stupid and small as it was.

And today i hear the studio may be bending over for her and giving her a bigger part in X3 jsut so she and her ego can be in it. Blah. No thank you. I am quite disapointed in Lauren Shuler Donner and the producers. Yeah, maybe Berry derserves a bit better than what fans give her, but maybe we're just compensating for the overrated status the studios and press give her. I hope that Catwoman bombs and they reconsider adjusting X3 for Halle's ego.

-Xenos

[MarcoPolo]

Xenos, you couldn't have said it any better. I agree with you on all fronts. Yes, Halle may be good in dramatic roles ie: Losing Isah or Monsters Ball, but a tough action star she is definately not. I was really pissed when I read that whole "we're making her role bigger" thing. As far as her Catwoman movie goes, let's be blunt the trailler really stinks!! Are we really supposed to be interrested in Halle Berrie in a fight with a middle aged Sharon Stone??? Can I possibly sit through another film filled with corny tough girl one-liners spewed out by that little priss ??..Uhhhh NO FRICKIN'WAY!!!

[Essex]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MarcoPolo:
Can I possibly sit through another film filled with corny tough girl one-liners spewed out by that little priss ??..Uhhhh NO FRICKIN'WAY!!!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Then don't. What's the problem? Neither WB or Halle Berry will get any of your money this time, so what's the issue?



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"That which does not kill us...makes us stranger." - Trevor Goodchild, Aeon Flux

[MarcoPolo]

The problem is that, for some unknown reason they keep casting her in these roles.Maybe I would have thought about going to see Catwoman, or maybe I could have enjoyed the last Bond movie if it weren't for her. She leaves a trail of stink over these possibly fun movies and therein lies my problem. Sounds like I hate her doesn't it?..Truth is that I think she's great in drama's and is extremely hot.But enough with the tough girl act.And that goes for Drew Barrymore, Cameron Diaz, Lucy Liu and Angelina Jolie.These chicks aren't hard to look at, but they weigh a total of 100lbs when tied together (obviouse sarcasm). All I want is for these Hollywood execs to open their eyes to some of the great female tallent out there, and stop being so mainstream when it comes to female action stars. Just take Angella Basset for example, she not only looks the part of Ororo but with her physic, she could plausibly kick some ass. Check her out in Strange Days or Super Nova and you will be on the same page as me.

[WC]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MarcoPolo:
The problem is that, for some unknown reason they keep casting her in these roles.Maybe I would have thought about going to see Catwoman, or maybe I could have enjoyed the last Bond movie if it weren't for her. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well I'm not sure about that. I reflected upon that Bond movie many times after seeing it to think what was wrong. I tried imagining it without her, and it still was just as bad. I think it was a bad film to start off with, and Halle Berry added into the mix as Jinx (with her potential spin-off) only made things worse. But it was a sinking ship in any event.

Part of the problem with Berry is that she is becoming too ubiquitous - she pops up everywhere, and is becoming more identified simply as the actress than the character she is supposed to be playing. So you don't see Catwoman - you see Halle Berry in a reject Halloween costume. You don't see Storm - you see Halle Berry in a fright wig. That's why it would be nice to see another actress and fresh face for a change instead of going down the same old route of "let's cast Halle Berry, she's won an Oscar". And when I say fresh face, even Angela Bassett could be fresh, since she hasn't been overused, even though she is in her forties by now.

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Meoww! Send in the clowns!

[imported_Thom]

Well, I don't really care one bit about this movie. Don't care too much about the X3 mumbles either because they talked the same shit before X2, and she still didn't get much screen time.

But hey, this is a project that COULD have been done well, and at least semi-respectful of the source. I have a feeling Judd realized that when she held out on the role. (She wasn't vocal about concerns like Bullock was with Wonder Woman, but she went from mighty enthusiastic to "scheduling conflicts" pretty quickly.) So fans have a full right to complain about the script or the actress or whatever. Lord knows there's been naysaying about other C2Fs for which there was less to shudder--err, worry about.

Now about Halle, thing is, she can be good in a role, but it seems she's ONLY as good as the role. Monster's Ball, she had some interesting situations to work with. With X-Men, Swordfish, Bond, and Catwoman as it's looking, she's not gotten much for roles. And that's a problem for her, because she doesn't really have anything of her own to offer. She either doesn't care to try and flesh out her characters, or she's no good at it. She doesn't have a lot of charisma, not much personality, and despite having a great body, she's got surprisingly little sex appeal.

That said, Berry's far from the worst thing this movie seems to have going for it. She'll probably be the only thing that gets anyone into the seats.

[The Xenos]

Yeah. Halle is certainly not the only or worst thing wrong with this film. The story is a weak knock off of Batman returns with trendy grrl power from Charlies Angels or something thrown in. I didn't like all the changes to Catwoman in Returns, but the character was at least orignal and had something to her and I dug Burton's style. This? This seems like a cheap knock off of that a number of other recent superhero films. It feels like Warner taking a name and wanna cash in on it even if they stuff it full of straw. That's what I don't like, this hollow film of a character that should be stuffed with a good crime story or some backbone. This seems like some cheap gimmick by the studio to cash in on Hollywood movies. Stuff like Hellboy or even Batman Begins has someone behind it who lcoes the characters and is competant to bring them to the screen. This is just a gimmick.

Also, I recently caught some of Gothika. Meh. It ain't no Cookoo's Nest. By that I mean I just didn't buy her in it. She just seemed like Halle pretending to be crazy and even worse using the whole cutting issue in some scenes I saw. I think as she becomes a bigger and bigger star, this may become a problem. Her celebrity outshines her role and her acting and she'll just keep being merely Halle Berry on screen.

-Xenos

[norrinraad]

In terms of C2Fs, it seems like Warner Brothers is far more interested in pandering to the public and indulging in the lowest common denominator than in staying true to the source material. In this respect I have way more respect for Fox and Sony. Love it or hate it, Daredevil at least tried to respect the comic, while X-Men is generally regarded as a smashing success. Sony allowed Raimi to infuse Spider-Man was a great old-fashioned charm, while Hellboy was no less then visionary in scope and execution.

After the unfortunate success of the Charlie's Angels films (easily some of the dumbest I've ever seen), I can see why some people might think WB is trying to capitalize on the hot-chick-as-ass-kicker trend. There's really no other valid explanation as to why this film seems to be straying so far from its source material.

Having said all that, I'm of the school of thought that a film shouldn't be judged until it's released. I'm generally indifferent to this film, I know nothing of the director, and the screenwriting credits don't seem too promising, so really it could go either way. However, I may be in a minority but I really do like Halle Berry and don't mind her being in this film. Just as with Duncan in Daredevil, casting her was a gutsy move (even if it's a blatant bid for the widest possible demographic) and I think any kind of thinking outside the box in regards to mainstream filmmaking should be encouraged.

Because I love C2Fs I'll give this one a chance. However, if it sucks beyond belief I'll gladly join ya'll in tearing it to shreds! http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/tongue.gif



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[kidcomix]

Catwoman the Movie? Looks like a Blockbuster rental to me.

[The Xenos]

Like oh.. my gawd.. the new Halle Berry Movie, Catwoman, is going to like have a track from like Brintey herself. Like it's totally got to be an awesome movie if Britney's doing a song for it.

Ack! As if this movie already wasn't enough of a hairball. It sounds like in the same Hollywood in-joke boat as Cat in the Hat was. If it wasn't for Puss in Boots in Shrek 2, there'd be no cool cats in Hollywood. Garfield right now is a big maybe being saved by the perfect voice of Bill Murray. Though Catwoman is looking like a mangy cat made up to be best of show when all it's gonna do is ough up a hairball. Bah. I think I've attempted one too many puns. Musta been my attempt at valley girl thinking above that rotted my brain.

-Xenos

[kidcomix]

Well curiosity did kill this cat. I read the book adaptation of the new Catwoman movie starring Halle Berry. Put it this way. If the trailer didn't tell you that the plot was going to suck, then you pretty much know how lame this movie is going to be. Not only is it unoriginal (Ethereal beings, in this case a cat god, bestowing powers to an unsuspecting human) but the villians are so cliche. Sharon Stone as a villianess with very little to do but act as backdrop for the scenery. Give me a break!!! If you're foolish enough to drop your $7.00 for this schlock, you might as well invest in your DVD collection for Showgirls and Batman and Robin. I implore everyone to save your money. It is not worth the price of popcorn for this feature.

[kidcomix]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by The Xenos:
<B>Meh, I thought the Enquirer was only for the ear infection thing. I got my hopes up. Though that trailer was still pretty terrible. WHile it could ahve been just a bad trailer, I think it's a sign of how poorly this film was made. I was hoping Warner might have actually heard the bad buzz from it, but I am not surpised if they didn't.

Actually Miss B. Haven was played by Vivica A. Fox (Vernita Green in Kill Bill)

Plus I don't think Halle can hear much buzz beside the buzz in her head. Yeah, a number of us have problems with her, but after bland overrated roles in major fanchises we love like X-Men and Bond (the later which she tried to spin off her own franchise), there should be no wonder why she left a bad taste in our mouths. Whenever I hear her talk in interviews I wonder what world she's in. I know there are planty of egotistical Hollywood stars in their own world, but somehting about her bugs me. Maybe because she's taken that attitude toward three franchies fans including msyelf love.

Speaking of stupid character/franchise ruining movies, I just remember she had a bit part in Batman & Robin as a henchwoman to Mr Freeze named, I kid you not, Miss B. Havin. Plus I remember being annoyed at her back then because she had an interview about it and acted like it was such a great role, as stupid and small as it was.

And today i hear the studio may be bending over for her and giving her a bigger part in X3 jsut so she and her ego can be in it. Blah. No thank you. I am quite disapointed in Lauren Shuler Donner and the producers. Yeah, maybe Berry derserves a bit better than what fans give her, but maybe we're just compensating for the overrated status the studios and press give her. I hope that Catwoman bombs and they reconsider adjusting X3 for Halle's ego.

-Xenos</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

[kidcomix]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by The Xenos:
<B>Meh, I thought the Enquirer was only for the ear infection thing. I got my hopes up. Though that trailer was still pretty terrible. WHile it could ahve been just a bad trailer, I think it's a sign of how poorly this film was made. I was hoping Warner might have actually heard the bad buzz from it, but I am not surpised if they didn't.


Plus I don't think Halle can hear much buzz beside the buzz in her head. Yeah, a number of us have problems with her, but after bland overrated roles in major fanchises we love like X-Men and Bond (the later which she tried to spin off her own franchise), there should be no wonder why she left a bad taste in our mouths. Whenever I hear her talk in interviews I wonder what world she's in. I know there are planty of egotistical Hollywood stars in their own world, but somehting about her bugs me. Maybe because she's taken that attitude toward three franchies fans including msyelf love.

Speaking of stupid character/franchise ruining movies, I just remember she had a bit part in Batman & Robin as a henchwoman to Mr Freeze named, I kid you not, Miss B. Havin. Plus I remember being annoyed at her back then because she had an interview about it and acted like it was such a great role, as stupid and small as it was.

And today i hear the studio may be bending over for her and giving her a bigger part in X3 jsut so she and her ego can be in it. Blah. No thank you. I am quite disapointed in Lauren Shuler Donner and the producers. Yeah, maybe Berry derserves a bit better than what fans give her, but maybe we're just compensating for the overrated status the studios and press give her. I hope that Catwoman bombs and they reconsider adjusting X3 for Halle's ego.

-Xenos</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Actually, Miss B. Haven was played by Vivica A. Fox (Vernita Green in Kill Bill).

[kidcomix]

Sorry Xenos, messed up on my post reply.

[The Xenos]

You are quite correct in that it wasn't Halle in Batman and Robin. I was quite wrong there. It is Vivica A Fox. As Aron McGrudder points out in his Boondocks comic, she is the greatest African American actress of our time.

Also your mention of a mystical god bringing back someone from the dead reminds me that this movie is sounding a bit too much like The Crow as well. So let's see.. it sounds very similar to Batman Returns (of course), Spider-man, The Crow, and maybe even a little Daredevil. I've seen all those movies, so I have no reason to watch this retread all those.

Also, if you want to clean up your posts, just click the edit button, the icon with the pencil next to the reply one, and delete the excess text.

-Xenos

[kidcomix]

Thanks for the advice Xenos. I'll make sure to do that in the future.

[brokenstatue2001]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by The Xenos:
<B>You are quite correct in that it wasn't Halle in Batman and Robin. I was quite wrong there. It is Vivica A Fox. As Aron McGrudder points out in his Boondocks comic, she is the greatest African American actress of our time.

Also your mention of a mystical god bringing back someone from the dead reminds me that this movie is sounding a bit too much like The Crow as well. So let's see.. it sounds very similar to Batman Returns (of course), Spider-man, The Crow, and maybe even a little Daredevil. I've seen all those movies, so I have no reason to watch this retread all those.

Also, if you want to clean up your posts, just click the edit button, the icon with the pencil next to the reply one, and delete the excess text.

-Xenos</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

When did that happen in Spider-Man?

[D.K.HOOD]

Y'know, I haven't seen a Catwoman commercial for a couple of weeks now after that non-stop campaign not too long ago. It seems that our cries have been heard, but Warner Bros should have been listening months ago! If it wasn't for the new Batman movie this studio would be completely ahead of Disney on my shitlist. Right now though, Disney is ahead by a nose.

[The Xenos]

Well Disney and Miramax. I have to be angry at Miramax with how they ahve treated Asian films they snatched up the rights to. Hell we are still waiting to see Hero. Shaolin Soccer only got released on six screens nationwide just to say it was released. They showed a trailer for it a year before and then you heard nothing. Really dispicable how they treat Asian films which are slowly gaining popularity despite them.

Anyway, the thing that reminds me of Spider-man in Catwoman is the whole getting cat powers. I know it's nothing too unique, but I never knew Catwoman to.. well.. do anything a cat can. Plus the way she jumps and crawls around reminds me of Spidey. Also, as I'e said, that first trailer had music very similar to Pompeii by ES Posthumous which was in the Spidey 1 trailers.

-Xenos

[The Xenos]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by kidcomix:
Thanks for the advice Xenos. I'll make sure to do that in the future.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Acutally, if you still want to elimiate, or rahter shorten, that extra post you can still do it. Just go in and edit to say something like "double post".

-Xenos

[brokenstatue2001]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by The Xenos:
<B>Well Disney and Miramax. I have to be angry at Miramax with how they ahve treated Asian films they snatched up the rights to. Hell we are still waiting to see Hero. Shaolin Soccer only got released on six screens nationwide just to say it was released. They showed a trailer for it a year before and then you heard nothing. Really dispicable how they treat Asian films which are slowly gaining popularity despite them.

-Xenos</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sorry, to say this but "Shaolin Soccer" looked pretty bad to begin with, don't get me wrong, I like foreign films. But that looked, well, stupid.

[kidcomix]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by The Xenos:
<B>Well Disney and Miramax. I have to be angry at Miramax with how they ahve treated Asian films they snatched up the rights to. Hell we are still waiting to see Hero. Shaolin Soccer only got released on six screens nationwide just to say it was released. They showed a trailer for it a year before and then you heard nothing. Really dispicable how they treat Asian films which are slowly gaining popularity despite them.

-Xenos</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hey do you know if Zu Warriors ever got released on video or a DVD? I've seen previews on Blockbuster rentals but it seems none of the chains carry it. For those that don't know, Zu Warriors is a mythical tale from the makers of Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon. I'm quite sure on the plot because I've never seen it. But it looked cool on the movie trailers.

[The Xenos]

No, havn't heard of that one. As for Shaolin Soccer, even having seen the orignal, the orignal trailer I saw in US thearters was pretty bad right down to the chopsticky bad dubbing. I later saw one oneline with a slightly better sounding dub because I'm sure Miramax got flack for it. Originally they were even going to call it Kung Fu Soccer and the dub reflected that. Did they think America is too dumb to use words like Shaolin? It makes me wonder how stupid they think we are. Then again after seeing some of the dumb movies that become hits, I wonder if they're right. So I honestly don't know how well a dumed down movie like Catwoman will do.

Hey, one thing thatmight get me in the seats for Catwoman, bad 70s kung fu dub. "Sharon Stone.. we must kung fu fight!" "Woman of cat, I insult your ancestors! Kaaaaaiya!"

-Xenos

[brokenstatue2001]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by The Xenos:
<B>No, havn't heard of that one. As for Shaolin Soccer, even having seen the orignal, the orignal trailer I saw in US thearters was pretty bad right down to the chopsticky bad dubbing. I later saw one oneline with a slightly better sounding dub because I'm sure Miramax got flack for it. Originally they were even going to call it Kung Fu Soccer and the dub reflected that. Did they think America is too dumb to use words like Shaolin? It makes me wonder how stupid they think we are. Then again after seeing some of the dumb movies that become hits, I wonder if they're right. So I honestly don't know how well a dumed down movie like Catwoman will do.

Hey, one thing thatmight get me in the seats for Catwoman, bad 70s kung fu dub. "Sharon Stone.. we must kung fu fight!" "Woman of cat, I insult your ancestors! Kaaaaaiya!"

-Xenos</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I guess I'm gonna play devil's advocate here. Originally Miramax bought Shaolin Soccer to be a family film, but, I'm guessing here, maybe it tested poorly. A lot of times studios won't release movies that tested poorly. That's why "Crow 3" never got released theatrically. All those "dumb movies the US made" were probably tested very good somewhere.
As for the dubbing, well, traditionally Asain movies never were dubbed to English well.
As for the bad dubbing, that would make any movie more interesting, imagine a scene from "Spider-Man"...

SPIDEY; Ah- Ha, I have defeated you, Evil Santa Goblin
GREEN GOBLIN; Ah-Ha, I reveal my secret to you, I am your Father!
SPIDEY; OH!!!
GREEN GOBLIN; Now I stab you with my reindeer sled of DOOM!!
SPIDEY; Ah-Ha, I jump out of the way too quickly, but now the sled will penetrate you!
GREEN GOBLIN; Oh, No!
(Gets killed by the Goblin Glider, screams for a half hour.)
SPIDEY; My greatest nemesis is dead...
I am ICKY HAPPY SUPER SPIDER SLAYER!!

Ummm.... what was I talking about?

Oh, yeah, Halle Berry is hot.

[kidcomix]

Bad dubbing!!! Great one liners!!

Someone bring back Mystery Science Theatre 2000 please!

My version of Spidey 1. The Mary Jane and Spidey upside down rain kiss.

Spidey: Oh look it's MJ's starring in Girls Gone Wild Part 20.

MJ: My shirt isn't soaked enough. Damn polyester fibers.

Spidey (hanging upside down): Don't worry I can still see your dirty pillows.

MJ: Oh you flatterer. (Yanks mask half way and kisses Spidey.) Someone had chili beans.

Spidey http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/frown.gifpasses gas) Oh crap, no pun intended I gotta find a can. (Swings off.)

Close up of MJ in wet shirt smiling as Spidey swings away. MJ's thoughts are heard.

MJ's Thoughts: I should've offered him Mylanta.

[Golden Falcon]

Ok I saw it and it was fun, but it did have some sour notes for me.

***** Mild
***** Spoilers
***** Up Ahead (though I don't think most of you care)

The Good
Yes, the film is a departure from Selina Kyle but that works for me as I'm not a Catwoman fan beyond say the characters modest icon status. While I sympathize with the core fanbase, I think they should be mindful that they alone would hardly make for a profitable limited release arthouse movie audience. Warners goal isn't to sell more comics or garner more Catwoman readers but to sell a movie to a general public that probably only has slightly better than perripheral knowledge ofthe character. In fact if you asked the average non-CW fan/reader - I'll bet their understanding of canon would be straight from Burton's Batman Returns.

Halle really emotes the part of a cat. certainly not canon-catwoman but she gets the job done without a lot of cheesy one-liners. Her character changes, grows, and mutates and she makes it believeable.

Ben Bratt also puts in a good performance. I like the idea that he is not blinded by attraction. Their chemistry works well and I'd pay to see them together in another vehicle.

The low points are found in the unformidable antagonists. Their too stoic, too desparate,and don't present much of a physical challenge to CW.

The owner of the mystical Cat Midnight should have been named Selina Kyle or at least been protrayed by Kitt, Newmar, or Merriwether. I do think that would have helped soften the blow of insult to the fans and fit Patience into CW canon.

Lastly, after seeing the film i agree with Essex more than ever. Criticism of Halle has been way over the top, unfounded or at least without substantial reason. Many are not giving the film or her the chance. It reminds me of the kid who comes to the park with his ball but since he doesn't get picked for the team he won't allow them to play with his ball. Yeah that's what the constant complainers remind me of.

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[norrinraad]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Golden Falcon:
Criticism of Halle has been way over the top, unfounded or at least without substantial reason. Many are not giving the film or her the chance.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I completely agree. Most of the posters here have been civilized where this film is concerned but on other web sites (one in particular) the criticism has been viscious.

What many posters don't seem to realise is that people like Halle Berry and Freddy Prinze Jr probably visit appropriate sites to get feedback on their films, and the venom they find must be extremely disheartening to them. I don't care how thick their skin is, these people are human too and the constant onslaught of negativity must affect them on a psychological level to some extent.

The internet, as wonderful a tool as it is, has unfortunately given too many people a forum whose opinions are probably best left to themselves. As fans we have every right to comment on the treatment of the material we love, it's true. If a certain casting feels inappropriate, we should speak out. Having said that, however, there are more postive ways to offer constructive criticism than by posting garbage like "that tramp Halle Berry makes me sick and deserves to be serving McNuggets, not making films". Comments like that say more about the people who make them than about the people to whom they're directed, and they really don't serve any real purpose in the long run.

[batcoyote]

http://home.comcast.net/~batcomputer1/catwoman.jpg

[kvdp12]

I didn't see it simply because it wasn't based on Selina Kyle and Gotham City. If it was about the real Catwoman then I and I'm sure a lot of other people would have seen it. (Thats why it made only 17 mill)I wasn't expected it to have Batman or any thing but at least to have the name
Selina Kyle.


Argue with me if you want, but thats the way I fell.


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[The Xenos]

Something just hit me. Calling this Catwoman is like calling that Dungeons and Dragons movie Lord of the Rings. It's just a whole other animal.

Plus everything just seems too familiar. Also, from the clips I've seen they just seem choppily edited. Also the CGI looks sub par. People bitched about Hulk and things look far worse here. Bah.

Yeah, Berry and the costume are getting too much blamr for this. Sure, they don't help and Halle is fully embracing this crappy role and making a big deal of it, but they are far from the only ones at fault. Man, this worries me as Pitof is said to be connected to a movie of another comic I like, Rex Mundi. Hopefully this more noirish and Davinci Code like book will be more his style and he doesn't crap it up.

-Xenos

[Golden Falcon]

**************FYI*********************

BATMAN - The Movie (1966)
Lee Meriwether .... Catwoman/Comrade Kitanya 'Kitka' Irenya Tantanya Karenska Alisoff (OMG What Not Selina Kyle Holy Batastrophe)

Batman Returns (1992)
Michelle Pfeiffer .... Catwoman/Selina Kyle

Catwoman (2004)
Halle Berry .... Patience Phillips/Catwoman


The Selina Kyle issue seems to be a moot point since Catwoman has been her only ONCE on the big screen.

[neil14]

hey kids! :D

I may have mentioned this earlier, but I like CATWOMAN. not only that,
but I own the DVD. it is crap, but enjoyable crap and Halle showed she
has a wonderful sense of humor accepting her Razzie award.

"I would like to thank Warner Bros for making this piece of shit and
I also would like to tell my agent read the damn script before you
give it to me next time!" :wink:

I thought the outfit was actually cool, though I am among those who
prefer the Spandex bodysuit. I do, also mentioned, like the idea of
Catwoman being a cat-woman literally. Senses, abilities, mannerisms
and whatnot. all those a cat would have. peace and here's actually
hoping there is a CATWOMAN 2. 8)

[DS]

"I would like to thank Warner Bros for making this piece of shit and
I also would like to tell my agent read the damn script before you
give it to me next time!" :wink:

What? Halle's incapable of determining whether a script's crap or not herself, even if her agent hasn't read it beforehand? She makes herself sound even more stupid than her acting choices would lead us to believe. Hot, but stupid. I know she's joking, but sheesh... at least say you were drunk or desperate for cash.

My dad bought me Catwoman on DVD (along with 2 other movies) in Hong Kong for a buck. It was cool to finally see, but I think he paid too much. The funniest (and really, saddest) thing about the whole movie was that the BEST parts of the film were EDITED OUT and can be found in the "deleted scenes" section of the DVD. The director of Catwoman (Pitof? Petrol? Or something...) was truly an idiot who had no concept of what would entertain the audience for this movie.

Senses, abilities, mannerisms and whatnot. all those a cat would have. peace and here's actually hoping there is a CATWOMAN 2.
Sure, why not? Right after Joel Schumacher takes over the Batman franchise again. :evil: