How about Josh Lucas as the Joker?

[tonylamotta6969]

No doubt, the Joker will be in Begins sequel. I was watching a beautiful mind and looking at Lucas, I think he'd make an excellent Joker. He looks so much the part. If you're wondering who he is, he was the redneck husband in Sweet Home Alabama and has also been in The Hulk and American Psycho, which starred Christian Bale.

[MarcoPolo]

Do you really think they are gonna' go that route? I'm not so sure myself that they'll try to re-do the whole Joker character. Which actor would want to compete with Jack Nicholson’s perfect performance, of the famed grinning villain? Could they really do a better job a second time around? Many people may not have liked the sequels, but the first film was fantastic. It was in my eyes, the first truly well done superhero flick. I personally hope they explore other villain’s and story lines.

[Sonic1002]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MarcoPolo:
Do you really think they are gonna' go that route? I'm not so sure myself that they'll try to re-do the whole Joker character. Which actor would want to compete with Jack Nicholson’s perfect performance, of the famed grinning villain? Could they really do a better job a second time around? Many people may not have liked the sequels, but the first film was fantastic. It was in my eyes, the first truly well done superhero flick. I personally hope they explore other villain’s and story lines.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree with you about BATMAN being the first well done superhero movie. However, I too, believe that Joker may very well be in the next movie. I have my reasons, whihc I am not at liberty to say. If I had to pick someone, Willem Dafoe. He was good for Goblin, and i think that insanity he rbought to the story would carry over VERY nicely to Joker.



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Now comes the part where I relieve you, the little people, of the burden of your failed and useless lives. But remember, as my plastic surgeon always said: if you gotta go, go with a smile.
-Joker

[Biohaz_Daddy]

Now your talkin' Dafoe would be perfect. While Nicholson was gleefully psychotic Dafoe would bring a real dangerous presence. If you have any doubts about him playing an awsome Joker check out "Streets of Fire".

[tonylamotta6969]

I suggested Lucas in the hopes that a younger Joker is portrayed rather than using Dafoe who is already known for and associated with the Goblin. Let's get someone younger like Lucas or maybe even Adrien Brody. If you've seen the Village, surely you could see how he would play an insane villain like the Joker very well. However, I'm not knocking Jack Nicholson's performance. It was fantastic, but they messed with the storyline and said that Joker killed his parents when he didn't. So, let's try again and get it right this time and for God's sake, don't kill him off this time!!!!!!!!

[Sonic1002]

*shrugs*
I guess I could see Adrien Brody as Joker... if I squint...

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Now comes the part where I relieve you, the little people, of the burden of your failed and useless lives. But remember, as my plastic surgeon always said: if you gotta go, go with a smile.
-Joker

[Biohaz_Daddy]

The Joker has to be older than Batman. Maybe not as old as Dafoe, but certainly older the Bale. Moreover he needs to be a skinny freak, not a leading man type. I agree that Josh Lucas was a creepy villanous skuz bucket in The Hulk, but I can't see him as the Joker.

[Kombat Wombat]

Anyone could compete with Nicholson for the Joker role. JHe was terrible, fat, old and idiotic. He played a typical Jack Nicholson but in make up.

Joker should be proper psycho, I mean PROPER!!

He should have no care over who or why he kills he just does it for fun. Look at the end of "no mans land" when he kills Mrs Gordon, pure quality. When he crippled Babs! Great stuff!

Pure evil is how he is, pure evil is how he should be!

No old folks for the role this time please.

[Kwick22a]

I'd still like to see Crispin Glover play the Joker.

[tonylamotta6969]

So, Lucas drops twenty or thirty pounds? Wouldn't he be a freak then? I'm going mainly on his face. It's shaped perfectly for the joker. He belongs on a playing card. Crispin Glover would do fine as well. I heard John Malcovich might play the part, but once again, too old! Plus, he really doesn't remind me of the joker at all. Now, what about the penguin? Any thoughts? Definitely not Danny DeVito again. He's not a freak in the comic book.

[Biohaz_Daddy]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tonylamotta6969:
Now, what about the penguin? Any thoughts? Definitely not Danny DeVito again. He's not a freak in the comic book.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Jack Black, Nuff Said!

[Essex]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Biohaz_Daddy:
Jack Black, Nuff Said!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

For real, or are you joking? Jack Black and the Penguin are total night and day. The Penguin is a tactile, intelligent business man, not the class clown.

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[Biohaz_Daddy]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Essex:
<B> For real, or are you joking? Jack Black and the Penguin are total night and day. The Penguin is a tactile, intelligent business man, not the class clown.

</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Don't sell him short, he can play against type. Plus he is a close physical match.

[MarcoPolo]

I kinda like the idea of Jack Black as Peinguin.

[Sonic1002]

Black may work... but he could not bring an OUNCE of his idiotic humor to the screen with him. Penguin is highly intelligent and his humor is sharp, sardonic/sacrastic. Not stupid funny.
Though Willem Dafoe is a few years older than Bale, I think he could pull it off. He's in great physical shape for a man his age. He's an awesome actor. And moreover, we all know he can do INSANE!
BTW, Nicholson was AWESOME as Joker. His face was PERFECT! Though he was a bit... out of shape, he had all of Joker's sadistic humor.

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Now comes the part where I relieve you, the little people, of the burden of your failed and useless lives. But remember, as my plastic surgeon always said: if you gotta go, go with a smile.
-Joker

[tonylamotta6969]

How about Michael Moore as the Penguin? Oh, wait-too fat and too crazy. I think Jack Black would do well, but his humor definitely has to be watched closely- no corny stuff like he did in Shallow Hal. What about Riddler? Jim Carrey again? I liked him in Forever, but I suppose they could get someone else. How about Ethan Hawke? He played a good psycho in Taking Lives. I think the Riddler should be darker this time around anyway. Schumaker lightened everything up too much. Batman should be dark as possible this time around. It should look like a horror movie in my opinion. And I for one hope they do these villains over and stay true to the comic-from the seventies on up to today. Who knows? Maybe they could throw Hush in at some point.

[MarcoPolo]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tonylamotta6969:
[B] How about Ethan Hawke? He played a good psycho in Taking Lives. B]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ouch! Thanks for ruining the ending for me dude. I hadn't seen it yet, and was going to rent it when it came out on video.

[norrinraad]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MarcoPolo:
Ouch! Thanks for ruining the ending for me dude. I hadn't seen it yet, and was going to rent it when it came out on video.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah, I was under the impression that Hawke was Angelina's love interest in the film and Keifer Sutherland was the killer. A spoiler warning there would have been appreciated...

Anyway, I like the idea of Ethan Hawke as The Riddler. Jim Carrey's interpretation of the character was like nails on a chalk board for me because he's always so over the top. Hawke is more subtle and has proven with the Sunrise films that he's a serious actor as well.

As for Jack Black as the Penguin, I think this makes about as much sense as Vin Diesel as Lex Luthor. Black never comes across as sinister, creepy, or cunning, just loud and irritating from the films I've seen him in. He seems like a John Belushi for a new generation, but without the comic genius. Belushi knew that his appearance would cause audiences to expect certain types of behaviour from him, so he slyly played upon their expectations while edging closer and closer to a more serious persona over time. Black, on the other hand, comes across like a one-trick pony. It's a good trick, but it's getting tired. Anyway, were he still alive and this 1984 instead of 2004, Belushi would have made a great Penguin. As for a living actor, I think Alfred Molina would have been perfect had he not been cast as Doctor Octopus.

[tonylamotta6969]

Hey, I never said Ethan Hawke was the killer. I just meant that he's crazy.

[Biohaz_Daddy]

If not Jack Black, Alfred Molina, or John Belushi then who?

[brokenstatue2001]

I like the idea of Adrian Brody as the Joker. I really do http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/joker.gif . I can also see Crispin Glover as the Riddler. The Penguin....hmmmm, no, I don't see Jack Black as him. I'm not sure if the studio would want to bring in the Joker, Penguin, or the Riddler in the next Bat-flick, seeing as how they were already defeated in the movies. And with the first two being dead and all.
I'm sure that another trip to the rouges gallery would reveal more villains able to give Batman a hard time.
Clayface
Killer Croc
Maxie Zeus
Deadshot
Mad Hatter
Scarface and the Ventriloquist
and I'm sure that there are many more.

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[Sonic1002]

My pick for Riddler is David Hyde Pierce, Martin Short for Mad Hatter.
Nuff said.

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Now comes the part where I relieve you, the little people, of the burden of your failed and useless lives. But remember, as my plastic surgeon always said: if you gotta go, go with a smile.
-Joker

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[tonylamotta6969]

I'm not saying they should be main villains, but joker, penguin and riddler have to be in there somewhere. What is Gotham without them? I would like to see the mad hatter and as far as Poison Ivy, Uma Thurman has to come back. She was better than anyone could be I think. Hopefully they won't cast her and Riddler(Ethan Hawke maybe) in the same film. Wouldn't be pretty.

[bottleHeD]

Since this is a new start, no one should reprise their roles from the old movies. New ppl should be given a chance.

Secondly, Dafoe as Joker would be too similar to his role as Goblin. He probably wouldn't take out of fear of getting typecasted, plus it might confuse the general public too.

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[brokenstatue2001]

Well, since it is a new start....

JOKER-Adrien Brody
RIDDLER-Crispin Glover
MR. FREEZE-Patrick Stewart
TWO-FACE-Alec Baldwin
MAD HATTER-Robin Williams
CATWOMAN(Selina Kyle)-Mia Kirshner

Well?

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"Even homicidal maniacs have feelings." -Jon Stewart

[Sonic1002]

Freeze= Billy Zane
The man can be powerful, creepy.... and bald.

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Now comes the part where I relieve you, the little people, of the burden of your failed and useless lives. But remember, as my plastic surgeon always said: if you gotta go, go with a smile.
-Joker

[WC]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by brokenstatue2001:
<B>Well, since it is a new start....

JOKER-Adrien Brody
RIDDLER-Crispin Glover
MR. FREEZE-Patrick Stewart
TWO-FACE-Alec Baldwin
MAD HATTER-Robin Williams
CATWOMAN(Selina Kyle)-Mia Kirshner

Well?

</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

What, no Halle Berry as Catwoman? http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/wink.gif

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[brokenstatue2001]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sonic1002:
<B>Freeze= Billy Zane
The man can be powerful, creepy.... and bald.

</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I've always viewed Freeze as a tragic figure than a creepy one, hence, the more dramatically experienced actor choice


<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Welshcat:
<B>What, no Halle Berry as Catwoman? http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/wink.gif

</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You're right. Damn, what was I thinking? http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/biggrin.gif

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[Kombat Wombat]

BTW, Nicholson was AWESOME as Joker. His face was PERFECT! Though he was a bit... out of shape, he had all of Joker's sadistic humor.
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Ok, I trhought the same thing but that was 15 years ago now and I was 12, I watch the movie now and A) I think JN is pants and B) The film is just plain boring. Which is a shame because the Bat is my all time fav.

[Biohaz_Daddy]

I find that the news that Robin William is being considered for the role of the Joker to be a very disturbing development. Ack! I hope those are unfounded rumors. He would render the Bat franchise virtually dead and buried.

[brokenstatue2001]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Biohaz_Daddy:
I find that the news that Robin William is being considered for the role of the Joker to be a very disturbing development. Ack! I hope those are unfounded rumors. He would render the Bat franchise virtually dead and buried.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Well, since Robin Williams is now persuing darker, more complex, roles, it sort of makes sense. However, I think he would make a far, far, better Mad Hatter.


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[Sonic1002]

I think he'd be better as Riddler...
Save Mad Hatter for Martin Short.

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Now comes the part where I relieve you, the little people, of the burden of your failed and useless lives. But remember, as my plastic surgeon always said: if you gotta go, go with a smile.
-Joker

[Biohaz_Daddy]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sonic1002:
<B>I think he'd be better as Riddler...
Save Mad Hatter for Martin Short.

</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

How about we save him for Joel Schumacher's return to the franchise. Maybe all the villians can get nipples and gratuitus butt shots.

[CaptainSkeptic]

I think this will be the first good Batman flick made. The 1989 movie was terrible i am sorry to say. Transition was totally lacking and the performances were uninspired for the most part. Biggest problem was with teh script itself though.

When they introduce the Joker in the new movies I think Matt Liliard(Scream, SLC Punk ) would be perfect! Remember according to The Killing Joke he was a stand up comedian(not a mob hitman) who suffered some serious tragedies that set him off.

I hope they steer clear of the endless list of campy supervillains(Penguin, Poison Ivy, Riddler etc.) but if they DID have to bring in the Penguin then Jason Alexander might do the trick.

The Riddler would be hard...he must LOOK like David Caruso but ACT like Conan O'Brien.

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[Sonic1002]

I could see Jason Alexander doing Penguin. After seeing him on Twilight Zone, he has shown he can do serious and evil. As for Riddler, I've changed my mind.... David Hyde Pierce.
The villains from the previous movies were made campy on purpose, so I can see if they brought back some of those villains and revamp them the way they SHOULD be.... Riddler isn't supposed to rival Joker in insanity; Two-Face is a sad SOB, he doesn't joke or taunt, he's cold and ruthless; Freeze is supposed to be cold as well, he's hellbent on getting Nora better, not lounging around in an Iceberg cafe or whatever; Bane.... we won't go there.

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Now comes the part where I relieve you, the little people, of the burden of your failed and useless lives. But remember, as my plastic surgeon always said: if you gotta go, go with a smile.
-Joker

[bottleHeD]

Alec Baldwin as Two-Face would be great..

But are they even having a Harvey Dent in this movie??

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[Sonic1002]

If the early draft of the script is still keeping some things the same in later versionos of said script, then no, he will not be in it. However, he is mentioned.

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Now comes the part where I relieve you, the little people, of the burden of your failed and useless lives. But remember, as my plastic surgeon always said: if you gotta go, go with a smile.
-Joker

[batmanfan123]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MarcoPolo:
Do you really think they are gonna' go that route? I'm not so sure myself that they'll try to re-do the whole Joker character. Which actor would want to compete with Jack Nicholson’s perfect performance, of the famed grinning villain? Could they really do a better job a second time around? Many people may not have liked the sequels, but the first film was fantastic. It was in my eyes, the first truly well done superhero flick. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

hye don't forget superman 1 that was a good movie and 2 was ok

[tonylamotta6969]

I just hope they don't start killing off the villains this time around. They don't die in the comics, right? Why not stay true to the comic? Oh, wait. This is Batman. Why should we ever stay true to his comic? The WB hasn't gotten it right yet, but this series is hopeful. Just, please. Don't kill them off.

[Znluvx]

Personally, I hope with any sequals to BB the villians are ones we HAVEN'T seen before on film.
I want to see Manbat, Killer Croc, & Clayface before I see Riddler, Two-face, Freeze, Joker, etc.

[Sonic1002]

They can be lesser villains.
However, I must say, Joker better be in the next one. RAWR!

[yas3r]

I could see it being two-face. Hes a very realistic character to have in this Nolan-Batman series.

The joker could work as well, but i dont see them going comic booky. How about we see those colours chemically scarred on instead of painted? They should give him the look from 'arkham asylum' when they do use him.

....and Josh Lucas is an AWFUL choice, fine, yes...he has a chin, but that does not cover the fact that he would be in way over his head.

Jude Law, Alan Cumming, Giovanni Ribisi, Ewan Bremner...bit off the wall, but i think these are ideal candidates.

[Sonic1002]

If you think about it, Joker's skin is chemical scarring. Severed nerve endings= white face. The scar tissue= the ghastly grin. He would have snapped from this look, so he goes and gets his hair dyed.

And Willem Dafoe or Hugo Weaving for joker!!

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[bottleHeD]

No Willem Dafoe.. he's already Green Goblin. Wouldn't be a good idea for him to be Joker too..

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[bottleHeD]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Znluvx:
<B>Personally, I hope with any sequals to BB the villians are ones we HAVEN'T seen before on film.
I want to see Manbat, Killer Croc, & Clayface before I see Riddler, Two-face, Freeze, Joker, etc.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree. Seeing Clayface and ManBat wouldbe great!!

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[bottleHeD]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Znluvx:
<B>Personally, I hope with any sequals to BB the villians are ones we HAVEN'T seen before on film.
I want to see Manbat, Killer Croc, & Clayface before I see Riddler, Two-face, Freeze, Joker, etc.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree. Seeing Clayface and ManBat wouldbe great!!

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[yas3r]

Clayface and Manbat would be spectacular on screen, but i dont see nolan doing it-he removed the lazarus pit from begins, in favour of a more realistic explanation of ra's 'immortality'.

He's keepin the series very real-world and i think some of the more comic booky characters may struggle to make it to the big screen.

A gruesome looking Joker-and yes Dafoe would have been good but he had the goblin, Weaving...hmmm..i like it-could be possible. Harvey Dent would work easily, and i think hes in a cameo in this film.

Characters who are evil, understandable, realistic, with problems of his/her own.

I would have liked to see catwoman make an appearance at some point, but i guess thats not gonna be happening now-i really like how the characters work.

[bottleHeD]

Then i guess Nolan's movies will focus on baddies who don't have any superpowers. Joker, Ra's (no real superpowers, just supposedly immortal), TwoFace.. who else?

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[Sonic1002]

There's Penguin, Catwoman, Riddler, Poison Ivy (kinda, not really), Bane (super steroid)...

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"I won't be just a memory."
-Sephiroth

[yas3r]

See? Looking at that list, these are the best of his foes. They all have a story and a direction behind them, more than just i-wanna-take-over-gotham! mentality.

(is it just me, but gotham has never really been the ideal vacation hotspot-sigh-maybe the Joker should have kept an eye on sun-lovin orange county)

And dont you guys DARE forget 'King Tut'!

[Sonic1002]

Fine... I won't say King Tut...
BUT I WILL SAY EGG HEAD!!!

MUWAHAHA!!

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[Znluvx]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sonic1002:
<B>There's Penguin, Catwoman, Riddler, Poison Ivy (kinda, not really), Bane (super steroid)...

</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's my point, we've already seen Devito's Penguin, Halle & Michelle's Catwoman, Carrey's Riddler, Uma's Poison Ivy, and Bane on the big screen.

I like what is being done in BB by mining Bats history and showing us Ra and Scarecrow. And I agree that taking a realistic, grounded approach is a good way to avoid the dangers of the last 3 Batfilms.

Personally I would love to see Bats using his detective skills to track down pycho killer with a bizarre skin deformity... Killer Croc.

[yas3r]

Killer Croc is alright, i'd much rather see the 'proper' Bane take on Batman. I dont really feel hes been seen before (soz Jeep Swenson).

It looks from the rumours on batman-on-film.com that two face will quite likely be the main villain in the sequel, the film covering his transformation.

I would have liked to see the Joker, but i can understand why they're saving him. There is more to two face (controversial-i know, but think about it).

Joker would make a cool appearance in the third part (hey Nolan, film the two sequels together-eh?).

I just hope they keep giving Bale some stroy to deal with, or theyll alienate him Keaton-style.

[Sonic1002]

There is also Mr. Zsasz and the Ventriliquist/ Scarface, both who I forgot. They haven't done Firefly (has a flamethrower and a jet pack, but no powers...)