batman movie sequels

[DJAC]

ok i'm just wondering what batman sequel would you guys and gals like to see from the comics brought to the big screen i figured

batman year two fear the reaper

hush

long halloween

batman no man's land

any other suggestions or ideas

[FireStormTrooper]

I think Singer said that BATMAN BEGINS is not the film version of BATMAN: YEAR ONE. The only things these two stories have in common is that they are about Batman's origin. The similarities end there, pretty much.

That said, the next Batman movie probably won't follow any of the Batman comic book storylines. If I were a betting man (rapidly in danger of becoming one, btw), I'd lay odds on the next movie being about either the Joker ... I've heard rumors that the ending of the BATMAN BEGINS script points towards this. Or maybe detailing Harvey Dent's transformation into Two-Face.

Then again, there really aren't any major Bat-foes left that haven't already been onscreen once by now anyway. So maybe the minor villians deserve their time in the spotlight. I mean, the Man-Bat or the Scarface/Ventriloquist would be phenomenal under Nolan's guidance. How about Clay-Face? His powers would have to be toned down and refined to be believable onscreen.



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[Zac]

I'm biased because I'm a fan of the guy, but I want a Batman film to do Mr. Freeze justice. Ahnold is NO Mr. Freeze, they butchered that poor guy, he needs another chance.

[The Xenos]

I keep saying that Batman Long Halloween would be a great second Batfilm. It follows Year One, which this movie is somewhat like. Year One was about fighting criminals. Long Halloween shows the power switching from these crimnals to these Arkham freaks that they start to hire to deal with Batman.

-Xenos

[yas3r]

They have two options really.

They are going for a 'real world' approach. Mr Freeze cannot work, it would look ridiculous.

They will have to do TwoFace, a strong character (in many ways Batmans strongest villain). His problem is psychological and therefore would work in these movies.

The other option is the Joker, and there will always be fan pressure for him, there will be even more after Begins is a success, (after Spidey 2, fans are now convinced that Raimi can make Venom work).

The Joker as a psychopath who has scarred his face and sliced a smile into his face was shown in some preliminary drawings by an artist for www.batman-on-film.com. (http://www.batman-on-film.com.) I think this would be a good way to go.

Two stories:

Long Halloween, follow Dents downfall and build up a story between Dent amd Wayne (not worth alienating Bale by reducing his part-thats what made Keaton leave).

Or...Have the Joker in the second and build up the character of Dent--only to have Marone scar him with acid in the third. In that case he can empty Arkhams pockets and turn the entire city into a warzone for Batman to clean up.

These are in line with what has happened with Begins-its not Year One, but its certainly not far off. I would say it is inspired by Year One and, from reading an early draft of the script, 40-50% of Begins can be found in Year One.

(quick note to people in the same spoiler boat-have YOU actually seen anything in the promotional materials that deviates from that script-it all seems word-for-word what was there).

[Sonic1002]

I figure that they will have the next movie BASED, not completely following, Long Halloween. That being that the foundation of the story. They should have the build up of Dent to Two-Face. But, have at least a msall glimpse of the Joker in there. If nothing else, have Batman going after a villain who, incidently, falls into a vat of chemicals....

*Spoiler*
If they keep true to the script, and if I remember correctly, Then Scarecrow will get away. So, he could play a part in this as well.

Returning to normal....
Then, for the third movie, whther it be just Batman or the Batman/Superman movie, Joker should be the focal villain.

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-Sephiroth

[Oldsoul3300]

--I realize he's not huge in Batman's rogues gallery, but I'd really like to see Red Hood featured prominently in the next film.
I think it would work quite well if they used him as sort of an anonymous bad guy who is perceived to be unbeatable, indestructible, or what have you, because he's not just one guy... any number of people take on the Red Hood persona.
Then sort of segue into some poor schmuck getting stuck with it, as depicted in The Killing Joke, then The Joker could be used in the following film.
I think the key to using The Red Hood is the character's enigmatic quality, but there would definitely need to be another big boss guy behind the scenes, pulling Red Hood's strings.

[The Xenos]

Ok. I saw Begins. It was amazing and the set up at the end was perfect. PERFECT. So, now what's up for the sequels?

There's been talk of Joker and Two Face. Well in the next one they'd have to get Harvey Dent first. I can see that working maybe he'd replace Holmes is character. Here's hoping they can set up Selina Kyle for a better female lead character. I hope they can convince Warners to let them do that character justice finally. To me even Burton's was just ok. It was just a character they made up for the film though and stupidly they've been using Burton's vision ever since in film and TV.

Bale and Goyer and (I think) Nolan said they really loved Long Halloween. My God, if they can get anything close to that, I'd be quite happy. Actually, the way they ended this, I can see a streamlined version of that happening. Certainly, it'd be better suited as like a mini-series and you'd have to drop Holiday as it's too complex for a two hour film, but certainly it's showing of how Gotham goes from criminals like Falcone to the freaks like Joker and Scarecrow. Certainly Harvey Dent turning into Two Face from the book would be awesome. Some talk of having Joker deal the acid sounds pretty good. Again, condensing it for film.

Damn. I can't wait.

As for the Red Hood, I hope that they just show that in flashbacks when we see the Joker. I don't know if they can fit too much of Killing Joker or if they should put too much of it into the sequel. Certainly I would like to see Jack Napier done away with and just have him be some unnamed loser who gets involved with crime and ends up as the Red Hood and gets dumped in the chemicals in a fight with Batman. They definately need to retool the scene and origins from Burton's.

-Xenos

[D.K.HOOD]

Actually I was thinking they should focus more on Gordon in the next one as he rises among Gotham's police force as an honest cop. They should also introduce young Barbara Gordon and the rest of his family to draw audiences closer to his character, then maybe in the 3rd movie they can sucker punch us with a Killing Joke type of story.

As for villains, well, the last scene does hint at "you know who" making an appearance. Two-Face shouldn't be in the sequel, at least not until the end. They should introduce Harvey and let audiences get to know him and his mental background so we can really feel sorry for the guy when he gets the acid treatment. As for Catwoman, quite honestly its just too soon, even for Selina Kyle, unless she makes a small cameo. Really, I kinda don't want to see any villains from the previous films except Two Face and Joker and maybe Bane if done right this time around. I'm not sure how Clayface would fit into the more realistic world of Nolan's Batman, but I've been dying to see a live action version of him for years.

[The Xenos]

batman no man's land



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Actaully, parts of the ending of this one, with the jailbreak and them raising the bridges to that part of town reminded me a bit of No Man's Land and Knightfall when Bane busts open Arkham.

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-Xenos

[Essex]

******SPOILERS******



I totally agree that there were some No Man's Land similarities, and I loved it! A lot of Gotham was destroyed and I think that leaves it open for Bruce to rebuild Gotham and regain the trust that the Wayne name had when his father was alive.

[DarrenJSeeley]

***SPOILER TALK****

Okay, here's the deal: the hallucingic gas that was released affected several inmates from Arkham Asylum. While Batman stopped Ra Ghul, the only clear capture of an escaped inmate was Zsaz. (For second time viewers: look at his neck and shoulder during the breakout and when he threatens the assistant DA and the small kid. Hint: You'll know how many people he's killed since his exposure to the toxin and escape)

Scarecrow remains at large, but he got zapped with a stun gun gone wrong.

But the point is, if criminals or the *really* insane were exposed and beyond 'treatment', would they become more vicious, paranoid and delusional? Just a thought.

It is set up well for Joker, as Batman Begins, in a sense , so does Joker. That was class.

I like the idea Joker as well in the next film, but I'm also hoping for Maxie Zeus, or Killer Croc as someone's hired muscle.

[imported_Thom]

I'm not familiar with Zeus, but I seriously doubt Killer Croc will find his way into Nolan's franchise. Just the nature of the character is a bit too outlandish, too physical, not enough psychological. By that same token I doubt Mr. Freeze will be seen.

[Sonic1002]

***SPOILER TALK****

Okay, here's the deal: the hallucingic gas that was released affected several inmates from Arkham Asylum. While Batman stopped Ra Ghul, the only clear capture of an escaped inmate was Zsaz. (For second time viewers: look at his neck and shoulder during the breakout and when he threatens the assistant DA and the small kid. Hint: You'll know how many people he's killed since his exposure to the toxin and escape)

Scarecrow remains at large, but he got zapped with a stun gun gone wrong.

But the point is, if criminals or the *really* insane were exposed and beyond 'treatment', would they become more vicious, paranoid and delusional? Just a thought.

It is set up well for Joker, as Batman Begins, in a sense , so does Joker. That was class.

I like the idea Joker as well in the next film, but I'm also hoping for Maxie Zeus, or Killer Croc as someone's hired muscle.
That was a nice touch seeing Zsasz....
As for Cameos, they have so many they could choose from.
*grins* Imagine seeing a short, balding man carrying a puppet...

[easy D]

I'm not familiar with Zeus, but I seriously doubt Killer Croc will find his way into Nolan's franchise. Just the nature of the character is a bit too outlandish, too physical, not enough psychological. By that same token I doubt Mr. Freeze will be seen.

Maxie Zeus is..um..an interesting character. He's a crime boss who believes he's the reincarnation of the Greek god, Zeus. His main weapon, last time I checked, was a metallic lightning bolt which shocked people. And as for Mr. Freeze. I don't know, I see him as equal parts physical and mental. Ah-nold's take on him from Batman & Robin was off. I see him as a more mournful and tragic character, like something from a Greek tragedy. He didn't spout off lame one-liners, he was sadistic, however, and maybe a little over-dramatic. I said in another forum, that I pictured him being played by Patrick Stewart, and I think that it could be a reality.
However, I'd love to see Bane, actually done right. Maybe something along the lines of "Knightfall", but it might be too early. "Haunted Night " is another great idea. My favorite story dealt with Batman getting shot in the head by Mad Hatter, and later, having to rescue a young Barbara Gordon from Hatter. And there's another story called "Arkham Asylum", I believe, in which the patients took over the Asylum and kept the doctors and nurses hostage and demanded Batman as the ransom. It gives these great appearances by Hatter, Joker, Clayface, Dr. Fate, Scarecrow, Two Face, Zeus, and tells the origin of the Asylum. Come to think of it, that might be too early or too much, great read anyway.

[dmb]

THE VILLAIN IN THE NEXT MOVIE WILL BE THE JOKER AND THEY CAST SOMEBODY TO PLAY HARVEY DENT TO BE DISTRICT ATTERNEY AND THEN BRING HIM BACK FOR THE LAST MOVIE AND MAKE HIM TWO-FACE AND AFTERWARDS SPIN OFF BATMAN & ROBIN BEGINS.

[The Xenos]

Yes, thank you oh-so-much for saying what's already been said many times, but this time writing it in illegible all capital letters.

-Xenos

[thejoker'scard]

Too bad they used up all the villains. I read another thread somewhere where they were discussing who they would pick to play Ventroliquist. The most f*ckin lame ass Batman bad guy.

They might as well either make up a new one, or Batman could fight the mob. It is supposed to be New York after all.

[Oldsoul3300]

--Actually, the movie doesn't take place in New York.
Yes I know that the term Gotham is used for New York, but DC bases all of their characters in fictional cities, unlike Marvel.
And what's this about having "used up" all of the characters?
This is a totally new series of films, a new franchise unconnected to the previous franchise (with the exception that it is based on the same source material).
And correct me if I'm wrong, but they used 3 villains from the comics in Begins - Ra's Al Ghul, Scarecrow, and Mr. Zsazz(sp?)... and of course they hinted at the Joker. So that, in no way, uses up all of the villains.
That's like saying that shouldn't have used Catwoman, Joker, Penguin, or Riddler, etc. in the previous series because they all appeared in the '60s Batman Tv series and Movie.
EVEN if it was connected to the previous series, there are still quite a few good bad guys out there if they didn't want to repeat any... Clayface, Man-Bat , Killer Crok, Deadshot, Deathstroke, Black Mask, Dr. Hugo Strange.
Even with all of those, they definitely should use some of the characters from the previous series, considering the way they were depicted in Burton and Schumacher's movies were nothing like the comicbook versions.

[The Xenos]

Too bad they used up all the villains. I read another thread somewhere where they were discussing who they would pick to play Ventroliquist. The most f*ckin lame ass Batman bad guy.

They might as well either make up a new one, or Batman could fight the mob. It is supposed to be New York after all.

Actually, Gotham here was based on an amagam of cities including New York. They also used Chicago and even the slums of Hong Kong for the inporation for the Narrows. Very interesting idea there.

As for villians, I myself would like to see ANY of the ones from the privious films. Though this time they can get them right. The only one whon was half decent was the Joker, but even then it was a bit too much of Nicholson hamming it up as per his usual role.

Catwoman was ruined and twisted twice, Penguin was defored into a disgusting blob, Two-Face was made a one note villian (as someone here once said well), Riddle was make into too much of a Joker and had a weird crush on Bruce Wayne, Mr. Freeze.. Mr. Freeze was *&#$ing Ahnold, Bane.. I don't know what the hell he was supposed to be, Ivy was a campy diva.

Hopefully they're going to have Harvey Dent in the next one and then eventuially Two Face. This time they'll treat him as a real chartacter and not some campy villian. This whole new take on Batman is to forget the other movies were made and do thigns correct to the recent books by playing the characters realistically and not part of a gothic or campy fantasy world.

-Xenos

[thejoker'scard]

So, basically they're starting over? Regurgitating all the villans that people actually recognized and knew from probably the comics, the 60's TV series, or all the cartoons.

Still, maybe they should just use the ones that Schumacher screwed up. If they will use the jokers, and even though I loved Nicholson's version ever since I was a kid, they should bring it a step further in portrayng him as a true psychopath(ex.using his acid flower on someone's face and while it decays, he's just laughing his ass off)

[easy D]

Still, maybe they should just use the ones that Schumacher screwed up. If they will use the jokers, and even though I loved Nicholson's version ever since I was a kid, they should bring it a step further in portrayng him as a true psychopath(ex.using his acid flower on someone's face and while it decays, he's just laughing his ass off)

Yeah, that seems to be more in line with the Joker I remember. But, I agree, Nicholson's Joker was pretty good (and I know plenty of people on this site that would disagree on so many reasons). I, however, would love to see the villains who did get screwed up be done some justice (namely, Mr. Freeze and Bane).

[thejoker'scard]

I also heard they'll include pre-Two Face D.A. Harvey Dent in the sequel, I suggest Billy Zane, he could pull it off. No question.

[easy D]

Well, I like the idea of Alec Baldwin as Two Face. He could keep in the tradition of well-established, Academy Award nominated actors started in Batman Begins (Morgan Freeman, Michael Caine, Liam Neeson, Ken Wantanabe)

[Oldsoul3300]

--I think it's important to have Harvey Dent as a peer to Bruce Wayne, so it would be crucial to find someone close to his age. That would make Baldwin a bit too old.

[easy D]

Well, Freeman was a peer to Bruce Wayne, and he seemed like 20 years older than Bale. So Baldwin could probably make it work.

[Oldsoul3300]

--Actually, as portrayed in the film, Fox was more of a peer to Thomas Wayne... and became almost a mentor to Bruce.

[trapdinsteel]

Yeah it should probably be someone younger that could be introduced as a rising hot shot DA in the next film to turn into two face later on or in the 3rd installment. Whoever it is should be pretty similar to Bruce Wayne, in both physical stature to make for better fights between them as well as someone in the spotlight that masks their mental anguish, so we can see where and how their paths diverge as friends with similarities to enemies. Maybe someone along the lines of a Guy Pierce.

[FireStormTrooper]

I figure this thread was as good as any to discuss the actual plot of the next BATMAN movie (i.e. not "who should be playing whom"). And away we go ...

Anyway, www.batman-on-film.com posted this next bit about BB2, but warns that it comes from an anonymous poster, so take it with a grain of salt:

"I won't reveal all the villains, but I'll leave a few hints that the avid comic fan should be able to decipher. One will be an ambiguous mob boss with ties to the late Dr. Thomas Wayne. Another will be an industrial heir not unlike Bruce Wayne - in fact it could be said that he is a dark mirror of Bruce. Over the course of the story, he will be forced to present a new 'face.' And then we have a small, almost cameo type [appearence by a] villain who is considered a 'classic rouge' as a British arms dealer. It may sound a bit crowded, but it all fits together, makes sense, and works much like a comic story arc."

Sarah Essen may now work for the ATF.

"As for the villains plot, the mob boss and the heir get involved with a major arms deal with the 'British Guy,' while Batman and his allies attempt to foil it. [As a result,] they uncover more of the corruption plauging Gotham. Unfortunatly for both sides, nobody knew there was a Joker in the deck who complicates matters."

Depending on whether this poster is genuine (maybe) or just some hack making up stuff (definite possibility), it kinda sounds like they're leaning toward following the same formula as BB1: Many villains. This sounds like Two-Face is the "heir" and that the British arms dealer is ... the Joker??? I don't know, this sounds like a early scripting red herring. Jokes as an arms dealer? I prefer the terrifyingly sadistic sociopath approach to that character. Two-Face as a dark reflection of Bruce Wayne? Sounds more like Prometheus, the Anti-Batman. Mob boss might be Penguin, Riddler or Ventriloquist. Keep in mind these are all just my wild speculations based on a sketchy tidbit of info.

[ToM]

My bet would be, if this is in fact a legit leak, that The Penguin is the industrial heir, or the British arms dealer. Two-Face fits the "new face" bit mentioned, and has ties to Wayne himself in the comics. Nolan (or Goyer, forget which) said months ago that Harvey Dent would be a disfigured DA. And that he'd be disfigured by The Joker in their early thinking on the project. That may've changed in all that time, but it *does* leave this new information sounding pretty suspicious.

I could see The Penguin as a British arms dealer given the kinds of weapons he uses in the comics.

You know what? The more I think about it, the more sick of it I become. Batman's rogue's gallery are really just a collection of "gimmick" criminals using gags and gimmicks to identify themselves. The Riddler uses riddles as clues , The Joker uses gags as clues to his crimes (nearly the same thing). And of course then there was The Puzzler who employs PUZZELS to provide clues for his next caper. Two Face is nearly the same, doing stuff like robbing the Second Bank of Gotham on the *second* anniversary of (name crime here).

Plenty of new characters over the past decades emerged, I'd love to see them. Sadly though, these new Batman films are going to be so down to earth in realism, we won't be likely to see them. "Theme criminals" are much more realistic, and more likely to be on hand.

Now, if they told a story like Se7en with The Joker or Two-Face, yeah, that'd be outstanding. But I highly doubt Warner Brothers would allow that (least it cost them some Theme Park tickets from kiddies). On the plus side, thankfully they'll never do Batman And Robin Begin.
ToM

[denjin]

My bet would be, if this is in fact a legit leak, that The Penguin is the industrial heir, or the British arms dealer. Two-Face fits the "new face" bit mentioned, and has ties to Wayne himself in the comics. Nolan (or Goyer, forget which) said months ago that Harvey Dent would be a disfigured DA. And that he'd be disfigured by The Joker in their early thinking on the project. That may've changed in all that time, but it *does* leave this new information sounding pretty suspicious.

I could see The Penguin as a British arms dealer given the kinds of weapons he uses in the comics.



DEAD WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The villain described as the arms dealer is not the Penguin nor the Joker at all ( the Joker is mentioned separately,Firestormtrooper,brush up on your reading comprehension) , I'm doing some research into the matter myself but I know for a fact that the Penguin will not be in the movie.

The villains rooted in the story make no place for a freak villains like Penguin; the same story said that the Joker would not be the Joker most people are accustomed to seeing in the comic books, movies and or tv shows; i.e. no make up nor green hair but he will be a sadistic opportunist.
Sorry Crispin Glover and Johnny Depp fans, but according to the same article both have been dropped from contention for the role of Joker. Yahoo!

[DarrenJSeeley]

I could see The Penguin as a British arms dealer given the kinds of weapons he uses in the comics.

So do I.


You know what? The more I think about it, the more sick of it I become. ...Two Face is nearly the same, doing stuff like robbing the Second Bank of Gotham on the *second* anniversary of (name crime here).


And in a possible sequel.


Plenty of new characters over the past decades emerged, I'd love to see them. Sadly though, these new Batman films are going to be so down to earth in realism, we won't be likely to see them.



Me personally, I'd like to see Deadshot or The Ventriloquist.

[FireStormTrooper]

Interview with Christopher Nolan from www.about.com :

Part Three: Batman Sequel News - It Won't Be Batman Continues

Q:Will you be doing Batman Continues?
A: Well, it certainly won’t be called that. That’s the title most commonly thrown at me. Actually, I have been talking to the studio and to David Goyer about directions for a sequel because we’re certainly very excited still about the world we were able to dive into and the characters we were able to put on screen. It’s a pretty interesting bunch of people and an interesting place, so we’re definitely talking about places we would take it.

Q: Will you use two villains again or is the Joker going to be enough?
A: I wouldn’t want to talk about any specifics per se. All I can really say is it’s a film we’re talking about doing.

Boy, I had questions about Robin and Vicki Vale too. Like I said, I can’t really go into details.

Q: The first time around, the studio sort of lost track of the Batman franchise. Do you have a sense they won’t make the same mistake this time?
A: Well, to me it’s more about the filmmakers and their collaboration with the studio. I don’t think you can necessarily lay all the blame at the feet of the studio or all the blame at the feet of the filmmakers. With franchise properties, with the idea of sequels, as I see it, the only reason to do a sequel is to do something better than the film you’ve made before. That’s the reason you have to be doing it, with that kind of intention. That’s the only way in which I would enter into the process.

Q: Let me try a philosophical way of asking: Could Robin be introduced without dumbing down the series?
A: Possibly, but I can’t really talk about specifics.

Robin??? Please .... no. Stick him with the Teen Titans movie and leave him the hell out of Gotham.

[The Xenos]

Well I don't see a problem with haivng villians that were in the other films. This is rather a remake, and this time they're getting the damn characters right.

Two Face can rob the Second Bank of Gotham on the second anniversary of something. Fine. I don't care if Joel Shitmaker did it in his, his Two Face was a lame joke. That is something the character would do, it's just it was done so over the top and campy in the movie. Done right, it could work well. Though from what Nolan and compnay seems to be getting at, I think we'll be seeing Harvey Dent first. I know they've mentioned Long Halloween many times. We didn't see too much of that in the first movie, but I am hoping we will see more things from it in the sequel. Hell if they have anything from Dent in that in the films, it would be awesome. Though certianly I can't see fitting the whole Holidy mystery into these films.


As for Penguin, agian he could be done right. He doesn't have to be a freak, he can just be a funny looking short man. Play up the gangster aspect and even the rich corrupt club owner aspect that's been in the comics for the last ten years. This time give him the class he has from the comics. Hell, even the Adam West show got that right.

As for the issue of Robin, again, it'sanother character I would love to see done right. Though I don't see him until a third of fourth film. I don't think he nessisarily camps up the film. He does lighten it, but he lightens it as Alfred lightened this film. Robin, like Alfred, is there to lighten the darkness Batman is in. I really think it could work well in the hands of Nolan and Goyer.

-Xenos

[ToM]

Yeah Xenos, The Penguin wasn't a freak in the comics, just a short rotund man with a long nose and an evening suit. *Burton* made him into a freak. The problem with The Penguin is...he's not very interesting.

As I was saying before, all these "theme"criminals, this gimmick using characters are largely interchangeable. And they don't really hold up well to , say, Doc Ock, that sort of thing. I disagree that they go these characters "right" in Batman Begins. I mean, Ra's was *not* the character of the comics in any real way. And The Scarecrow? No. The fact is, Batman villains *are* way over the top, and that's what makes them work.

Some of the best, Man-Bat for example, just won't work in Nolan's more subdued world. I mean, I agree with his approach almost entirely. But grounding it where Spider-Man is over at Sony, that allows for these other kinds of fantastic characters. I'd love to see Man-Bat, or Clay-Face (much more so than Riddler or the dull Penguin).

As for Robin, if we have Alfred being so wisely used, there's simply no use for Robin. He pointlessly crowds the film. And, to be frank, this character never really worked. HIs purpose was to give kiddies a surrogate to represent *them.* On his introduction sales of Batman comics rose by fifty percent back in the golden age. Today, such elements aren't needed and give an unseemly aspect to Batman (a whole "I kidnapped Parry Hearst" vibe).

ToM

[Sonic1002]

I think I would cry if they brought in Robin....

[Pod]

I would love to see Nightwing but thats really not a possibility for this when Robin was never introduced. I always thought that instead of having robin in that movie 8 years ago they should have called him Nightwing, they even used his symbol! :roll: Those writers....

[Sonic1002]

Well, look at the movie that costume was in... need I say more...
However, in the novelization of b&r, he was called Nightwing.

[Pod]

However, in the novelization of b&r, he was called Nightwing.

Hmm...I guess thats the closest they got for nightwing to be featured in a batman movie.

[denjin]

[quote]Firstly, this guy, Lachy Hulme must be tooting his own horn. He's apparently known as the "who is this guy?" around the Bat-trapsI don't think he's got much of a chance in The Joker stakes. Paul Bettany, on the other hand, he's definitely one that's been discussed.

[quote]


I see that my Lachy Hulme/Joker wet dream has been shot down,according to online site darkhorizons.com, but to me its not a personal insult if Paul Bettany gets the role, (he was my second choice; I hope he doesnt have blonde hair in the movie) he's a great supporting actor. What's funny to me is that the report almost scoffs at the possibility that Lachy Hulme even deserves to be mentioned as a candidate for the Joker, in what seems to be the most coveted role in Hollywood(sorry Mr.Bond), and yet they'll(Warner Bros.) bank roll a 300 million dollar movie on an unknown like Brandon Routh in the title role of Superman!

Liev Schrieber as Harvey Dent is dead on;his casting would make great for an already excellent ensemble cast.[/img]