Idea for Joker casting [Archive] - Mania Forums - Science Fiction, Fantasy, and Horror Entertainment

Lord Black Adder

03-24-2005, 05:57 AM

If a future BatMan movie should decide to have the Joker http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/joker.gif again, what would you think of Adrian Brody (The Pianist, The Dummy, The Jacket) ?

He has the look, and is an award winning dramatic actor.

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But instead of doing the silly 'grin' prosthetic they did with Jack Nicholson, have the inhumanely wide grin be done with CGI when he smiles.

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Lord Black Adder

03-24-2005, 06:00 AM

Hmmm, I don't know whats wron with the first and last picture link. Could a mod fix that? Thanks ! http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/biggrin.gif

Sonic1002

03-24-2005, 10:16 AM

After seeing him in the Village, I've always thought that Brody would make a very good younger Joker. He is one my top 3 list for Joker. The other two on their are Willem Dafoe (who played the Green Goblin was was.... Joker-ish) and Hugo Weaving (Agent Smith. When he laughed in Revolutions, that scared me....).

However, No CGI.... CGI is used far too much and can cheapen a movie, in my opinion. Prostetics and makeup are the key to making this look REAL, which is Nolan's goal with this new Bat-franchise.

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"I won't be just a memory."
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yas3r

03-24-2005, 03:28 PM

The Joker as a psychopath who has sliced a smile into his face was shown in some preliminary drawings by an artist for www.batman-on-film.com. (http://www.batman-on-film.com.) I think this would be a good way to go.

His dress sense has changed too-the flamboyant look has been updated to be more 'Tyler Durden-y', again a wise choice in my opinion.

The sketches are by a concept sketch artist for Begins. The actor he used was Lachey Hulme from the Matrix, who apparently has been looked at for the role.

Brody could work-but Kong will send him into the stratosphere.

I like the idea of casting someone yet to break out-really giving them a chance to OWN the role. He cant copy Nicholson, who I enjoyed watching-as always-but never completely fit for me.

I'll go Lachey Hulme, purely as this is Nolans choice-and it doesn't seem like he's he's made a bad one yet.

Lord Black Adder

03-25-2005, 05:30 AM

Hey, someone agrees with me. This was fast. Looks good. http://www.comics2film.com/DCG/DispArt.php3?f_id=17711&f_ssn=&f_fooble=12

Sonic1002

03-25-2005, 10:27 AM

Yeah... that'd be me....
I told you I thought he'd make a good younger Joker...

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"I won't be just a memory."
-Sephiroth

DarrenJSeeley

05-08-2005, 06:44 AM

I always envisioned Denis Leary for some reason; but Adrian Brody is also a nice thought.

CaptainSkeptic

05-10-2005, 04:06 PM

Back in the 1980's I thought Willem Dafoe would have been perfect. Now I am thinking Matt Lilliard(Scream, SLC PUNK). I don't think Brody can pull off the speech and mannerisms myself. Lilliard would be perfect for a Killing Joke style younger joker. Look, mannerisms adn the whole deal.

Sonic1002

05-10-2005, 04:40 PM

The problem with him is that If I saw him as Joker, the only thing that would go through my head would be "SHAGGY!"
Now, I used to be a strong advocate of Willem Dafoe as Joker. however, They want someone that is close to Bale's hieght, like 6'2".... Willem is 5'9".... so he's out of the running.
I personally think that Hugo Weaving could pull off a slightly older Joker. He would have the suave, intellectual, and yet somehow psychotic, Joker. I've posted a few pics of him the DCG.

Essex

05-10-2005, 08:11 PM

If they go with a fairly young Joker, there's nobody better than Ben Foster (Hostage). He is genuinely creepy and has the perfect look. Even when he's playing a protagonist (Punisher, Six Feet Under) he STILL seems creepy and unsettling. By the time the sequel would be made he'd be 27 or so. I think that's a good age.

Willem Dafoe is a good thought for Joker but aside from being too old now, he is too well recognized as being...well, Willem Dafoe (not to mention Gobby). Weaving is also too old. I think Lillard is just very, very wrong for the part. He is the equivalent of casting Jim Carrey as the Riddler. He's silly, not chilling. The Joker needs to be somebody who just exudes creepiness.

Sonic1002

05-10-2005, 08:24 PM

THAT GUY WAS FRICKIN CREEPY!!!
.... I could actually see him as a younger Joker.... Wow....
:shock:

norrinraad

05-11-2005, 07:48 AM

Sonic1002

05-11-2005, 03:30 PM

I've always seen Mr. Glover as a Scarecrow type....

Essex

05-11-2005, 04:29 PM

I agree, he does seem more like Scarecrow to me. Crispin Glover is creepy, no doubt about that, but I see him as a more reserved type and not one that would be too intimidating without added help (a freaky mask).

Sonic1002

05-21-2005, 10:55 AM

Another idea I have for Joker is the psychotic prophet fromm the TV show Revelations. hIs name is Michael Massee.
He can play insane evil perfectly... And aside from Jack Nicholson, he has the largest nature smile I've ever seen...

DarrenJSeeley

05-27-2005, 05:35 AM

Another idea I have for Joker is the psychotic prophet fromm the TV show Revelations. his name is Michael Massee.
He can play insane evil perfectly... .

I actually put his name in a hat on another thread, but I also gave reasons why, if approached, the actor might turn it down. For starters, he had a brief role in the Bat-unrelated "Catwoman" last year. Second, his best known role (other than Revelation's villian) is that of Funboy in the first "Crow" film. He is also the actor from that film who fatally shot Brandon Lee by accident.

Sonic1002

05-27-2005, 10:06 AM

O_o.... HE IS?! ... Damn....
WELL!!!

Kombat Wombat

05-27-2005, 10:23 AM

Only one man to play the Joker for me... McKenzie Crook from "The Office" fame: Check it out: http://images.contactmusic.com/images/artist/MACKENZIECROOKap.jpg

D.K.HOOD

05-27-2005, 04:37 PM

Only one man to play the Joker for me... McKenzie Crook from "The Office" fame: Check it out: http://images.contactmusic.com/images/artist/MACKENZIECROOKap.jpg

Crispin Glover is still my first choice to be the Joker, but now I have a second.

imported_Thom

05-27-2005, 05:10 PM

The Joker as a psychopath who has sliced a smile into his face was shown in some preliminary drawings by an artist for www.batman-on-film.com. (http://www.batman-on-film.com.) I think this would be a good way to go.

Took me a while to find the image you were referring to. Here it is:
http://photos.imageevent.com/batmanonfilm/bofimagesbofimages/bermejo_joker1.jpg

As is, I think it's just a little too gross to do for such a blockbuster film, and it doesn't exactly scream Joker. But if they can use the "sliced smile" idea and make it look more familiar/less disgusting, it might be pretty cool.

imported_Thom

05-27-2005, 05:11 PM

Only one man to play the Joker for me... McKenzie Crook from "The Office" fame: Check it out: http://images.contactmusic.com/images/artist/MACKENZIECROOKap.jpg

He'd look terrific!!!

fadexero

05-27-2005, 07:46 PM

The Xenos

05-29-2005, 01:45 AM

The Joker as a psychopath who has sliced a smile into his face was shown in some preliminary drawings by an artist for www.batman-on-film.com. (http://www.batman-on-film.com.) I think this would be a good way to go.

Took me a while to find the image you were referring to. Here it is:
http://photos.imageevent.com/batmanonfilm/bofimagesbofimages/bermejo_joker1.jpg

As is, I think it's just a little too gross to do for such a blockbuster film, and it doesn't exactly scream Joker. But if they can use the "sliced smile" idea and make it look more familiar/less disgusting, it might be pretty cool.

Looks like someone's seen Icchi the Killer a few too many times. I agree, not quite the Joker and a bit too groteque for the character. Now his action can be creepy, though hopefully off screen, but to do that to his visage is a bit much.

-Xenos

The Xenos

06-24-2005, 01:24 AM

bumping this as the villians thread is focusing a bit on Joker too much. Plus I wanted to bump that Bermejo concept art up too.

Also, lemme post a pic to the all too similar Ichi the Killer charcter. I rather don't like the idea for Joker. Though actually, the guy in it did remind me of Joker slightly. Also there was a guy in the Japanese movie Versus who reminded me of Joker too.

http://www.facets.org/Images/ICHI.jpg

-Xenos

kidcomix

06-24-2005, 02:05 AM

I like this guy Karl Urban...doing some pretty neat things...He Plays Lord Vaako in Chrincles of Riddick...a cold calculating gaze...and when he smiled in Bourne Supremecy..a devilish smile...he clinched it for me.

:? Karl Urban is an interesting casting choice for Joker but he's too much of a pretty boy. If anyone who has seen Xena, Warrior Princess might remember Karl as the blonde god Cupid before he got recognition in the Rings trilogy. I always saw the Joker not as a funny man or comedian but more of a dangerous psychotic who had this grand delusion of himself as the number one court jester. Johnny Depp has a long history of playing quirky characters so I can see him playing the Joker. Plus, he wouldn't camp it up too much or mug the camera like Robin Williams and Jim Carrey would.

fadexero

06-24-2005, 02:50 AM

I know...I've since Dropped Karl...and decided Ben Foster...he's awesome. Plus, he can diversify. Adrien Brody as well could do a great job.

Sonic1002

06-24-2005, 10:13 AM

Well, now AICN is reporting that sean Penn may be up for the role.
And, you know, he's actually someone I over looked for the role. I think he could pull that off NICELY.
(I'm basically gonna summarize what AICN said on how he could work)
As of late, Sean Penn hasn't exactly played "funny" roles, or had any humor in his roles whatsoever. And thhus, this works. Joker isn't exactly funny... He's a monster (that we all love :twisted: ). He's the type to put a gun into someone's stomch, pull the triiger, and sever their spine; he'd then laugh his ass off cuz he thinks this is funny... And, Joker does not like to pranked on himself. He will repsond to this in a homocidal rage.... Thus, Penn could work... (albeit a bit older)...
http://www.myvideostore.com/content/people/pics/sean_penn.jpg
http://www.channel4.com/film/media/misc/O/oscars_2004/sean_penn.jpg

Essex

06-24-2005, 11:20 AM

Though Penn would be better suited for the role than Nicholson was, he'd still have the same problem that he did. He's Sean Penn. Just like Nicholson's Joker was too Nicholson. I don't think any amount of freaky make-up can make an audience forget they're not watching the "real" Joker on screen...they're watching a talented but ill-tempered celebrity who once married Madonna.

norrinraad

06-24-2005, 11:48 AM

Hmm, Sean Penn in an interesting choice, one I hadn't considered before. There's no question that he could play the role but I would be inclined to agree that he's a little too recognizable. Someone like Crispin Glover or Ben Foster would be a better choice in the sense that they could disappear into the role and give us the Joker instead of having an audience sit there thinking "oh there's Sean Penn as the Joker". It's a crucial difference, and one that will go a long way to either making or breaking the effect.

If WBs wants to go with someone really recognizable, I hope they choose a well known character actor as opposed to a movie star. Adrien Brody still remains a Top 2 pick for me because he's fairly well known but not enough to overshadow the character. And for the record, not to be harsh, but Tom Cruise as Joker would be even worse than Jack Nicholson. A piece of stunt casting like that would detract way too much from the story. I still think to this day that Cruise was miscast as Lestat too but he made it work. However, I want Joker to do more than just "work". I want to see the Clown Prince on screen in all his sick, twisted glory, and Cruise just doesn't cut it, sorry.

06-24-2005, 12:27 PM

Plus, Cruise is a midget (5'7", or so he claims). He'd be towered over by Christian Bale, who's 6'1" (even taller with the boots and ears!), and Bale was dwarfed by Liam Neeson, Michael Caine and Morgan Freeman, all of who are even taller! Hell, even Katie Holmes is taller than Cruise!

Midgets NEED NOT APPLY for the role of the Joker. The actor they choose for the role should at least be 5'10". There are way too many qualified actors out there to waste time fitting anyone shorter with lifts, so they can be in the same camera shot with the sequel's other tall actors.

Sonic1002

06-24-2005, 12:32 PM

I knew I'd get that reaction.....
Anyways, Like I've said before, Brody is my top choice. That will not change.

Essex

06-24-2005, 12:58 PM

Midgets NEED NOT APPLY for the role of the Joker. The actor they choose for the role should at least be 5'10". There are way too many qualified actors out there to waste time fitting anyone shorter with lifts, so they can be in the same camera shot with the sequel's other tall actors.

You act like lifts are a difficult thing to do in movies. Plus, that's only one of the ways actors can look taller against their co-stars.

Tom Cruise is a horrible idea for Joker, but I'd rather they make the RIGHT actor taller than hiring the second-best because he's too short.

Sonic1002

06-24-2005, 01:21 PM

I think the actor they choose should be at least 6'.... Hence, Willem Dafoe, Sean Penn, and my (horrible) suggestion of Tom cruise don't work... hell, they all are under 5'10"....

The Xenos

06-24-2005, 04:26 PM

Yeah, Brody is up there for me. I'm also rather liking the idea of Jude Law. Of course, with either one, they're gonna ahve to get one hell of a female lead. With Bale and Murphy in there, this film may make me question my sexulaity. Ha. Seriously, I'm not into guys, but damn if I gotta admit those guys aren't gorgeous gorgeous men.

-Xenos

06-24-2005, 05:13 PM

Tom Cruise is a horrible idea for Joker, but I'd rather they make the RIGHT actor taller than hiring the second-best because he's too short.

LOL... You sound as if there's only ONE person somewhere who's perfect for the Joker, rather than the obvious fact that there are probably a dozen or more qualified actors who would do a brilliant job.

MY point is: since that's the case, don't even waste time considering actors who are under 5'10", when you have equally qualified candidates already tall enough to (1) interact with the other tall actors in the franchise and (2) believably play the very tall and lanky Joker.

It's fine to have a personal favorite for the role, but at least be realistic regarding the fact that a shorter actor is NOT the best candidate for the part when so many qualified, tall actors already exist and are available.

Essex

06-24-2005, 05:17 PM

When they start screen-testing actors, there is going to be ONE who does the best and ONE who does the second-best, and so on and so on. There is no reason for #1 to drop to #2 because he's 5'9.5"

fadexero

06-24-2005, 05:58 PM

No Sean Penn...No Communists! Sorry, whether he's a good actor or not, I hate him, Cause he hates us. Sean Penn can take flying goat to happy town Iraq, and live there, friggin commie.

imported_Thom

06-24-2005, 06:07 PM

Kwick22a

06-24-2005, 06:45 PM

lol... do we really still use the word 'commie' to demonize people we don't like? I thought such people are called 'terrorists' or 'french' these days. At any rate, I don't like Sean Penn, but I'd simply call him what he is: a loudmouth, self-important celebrity.

Or, as Parker & Stone put it, a pussy who's full of shit.

I think commie kind of went out when the cold war ended. Personally I'm trying to get people to bring back douchebag as an insult for this type of situation.
But back on topic after seeing Hostage I'm kind of leaning towards Ben Foster for Joker. Dude was scary as hell in that movie, and I think he could play the kind of Joker I've been wanting for years. Insane and violent to an incredible degree. I just hope whoever they get can do the laugh right.

easy D

06-24-2005, 07:10 PM

As for the topic of Tom Cruise being too short, well, there's a trick in movies for being like him. Sometimes they would put planks a few inches off of the floor. Or they would have an actor standing on an incline. Remember James Marsden from X-Men? In real life, he's not really short (about 5'9", 5'10"), and was towered by Hugh Jackman and Famke Janssen (both over 6'), so Singer would do things like put lifts in his shoes, have him walk on planks, stuff like that. However the point of Cruise being too popular is valid.
And, while Sean Penn is a douchebag, that shouldn't keep out of contention. Besides, he's not a commie, he's a dirty hippie. Tom Morello (guitarist from Audioslave) is a commie.
Anyway, WB listened to fans when they hired Christian Bale as Batman, maybe they'll listen to us again if we over-whelmingly say "Get Brody as Joker!"

fadexero

06-24-2005, 07:34 PM

Dude...Sean peen went to Iraq, and Prayed with people who were saying "Death to America". and that's not hear say...that's been video taped. Anyway...I still Like Ben Foster...he is a clb.

Essex

06-24-2005, 07:35 PM

No Sean Penn...No Communists! Sorry, whether he's a good actor or not, I hate him, Cause he hates us. Sean Penn can take flying goat to happy town Iraq, and live there, friggin commie.

OMG haha, that's the funniest thing I've ever heard!! And just to be totally clear, I am laughing at your expense. That is just too much.

And who's this "us" you speak of? Because if they're ignorant nuissances who randomly spout anachronistic insults that border on xenophobia, then I can guarantee you I'm not too fond of them either.

Jakerman

06-24-2005, 08:13 PM

Too many big words for me in this forum lol.

The Xenos

06-24-2005, 09:50 PM

Bah. He's not a commie. That term is too MacCathy-esue and they were as bad as the communists. Socialist bitch... maybe. Big mouth liberal who bitches against the other party without knowing what he's talking about? Defiantely.

Plus, getting back to he is too much of an arrogant ass like Nicholson. He puts too much of himself into the role and doesn't, you know, act like an actor should.

As I posted in the other general sequel thread about Nicholson still doing that:

http://www.imdb.com/news/wenn/2005-06-22#celeb4
Jack Nicholson helped re-write the script for his new movie with legendary director Martin Scorsese, because he felt the sex scenes needed spicing up. Nicholson stars alongside Matt Damon and Leonardo DiCaprio in thriller The Departed, a remake of Hong Kong movie Infernal Affairs, due for release next year. According to reports, the actor wanted to make his character - an Irish-American gangster - a little more like himself, and more of an animal in the bedroom. A source tells the New York Daily News, "Jack didn't feel there was enough Jack in his character. Jack actually did some of the writing himself." The insider adds of the sex scenes, "Jack suggested using a (prosthetic appendage). He also wanted to dust the a** of one of the actresses with cocaine. Marty said, 'Go for it!'" A Warner Bros spokesman adds, "It's not at all uncommon for dialogue to be fine-tuned during production. Everyone is extremely pleased with the way this shoot is proceeding."

-Xenos

DarrenJSeeley

06-24-2005, 09:54 PM

Right now, it seems Paul Bettany is in the mix of considered actors.

Strong points for being Joker: can hold his own in two films with Russell Crowe*; and "Gangster #1" . I'd also like to add his take as the poet/comic relief Chaucer in "A Knight's Tale".

Bettany's next film is "The Da Vinci Code" due next year.

Bettany is one inch taller in height than Bale; here are only three years age difference between the two actors. (Bettany is older)

*****
The Six Degrees Of Seperation rule: Paul Bettany to Christian Bale, or "It's a small world after all" :

Bettany's spouse is Jennnifer Connelly; Connelly was in the Hulk, co-starring Josh Lucas. Lucas appeared in "American Psycho" with Christian Bale.

William Dafoe played the detective in American Psycho . Kirsten Dunst appeared in "Wimbelton", a drama-comedy with Bettany.

*I'd like to see Crowe cast in a Bat-film as Two Face...

JordanGLC

06-26-2005, 09:52 AM

kidcomix

06-26-2005, 10:37 AM

Right now, it seems Paul Bettany is in the mix of considered actors.

Strong points for being Joker: can hold his own in two films with Russell Crowe*; and "Gangster #1" . I'd also like to add his take as the poet/comic relief Chaucer in "A Knight's Tale".

Bettany's next film is "The Da Vinci Code" due next year.

Bettany is one inch taller in height than Bale; here are only three years age difference between the two actors. (Bettany is older).
Yes, YES, YES! Like I said back on August 2, 2003 (http://www.comics2film.com/BB2/viewtopic.php?t=995&highlight=), Bettany is the choice for Joker!

8) Okay I'll go for Bettany as the Joker. Hey, if he can bag the beautiful Jennifer Connelly, then she must have a sick sense of humor to be stuck with this pale Brit. Sorry Jennifer, the jokes on you.

Essex

06-26-2005, 11:33 AM

Yes, YES, YES! Like I said back on August 2, 2003 (http://www.comics2film.com/BB2/viewtopic.php?t=995&highlight=), Bettany is the choice for Joker!

Um....good for you?

JordanGLC

06-26-2005, 02:28 PM

Um....good for you? :lol: LOL, I know. Who really gives a rat's ass, right? Still, it'd be cool if they cast the person that I pegged for the role almost 2 years ago. :P

norrinraad

06-27-2005, 09:13 AM

Okay, I saw Hostage over the weekend (pretty decent flick, btw) and I "get" the whole Ben Foster thing now. I could see him as Joker, no doubt. I'd still rather see Brody in the role but Foster is a far better choice than Penn or *shudder* Cruise. As for Bettany, I've only ever seen him in Master and Commander and nothing in that film screamed Joker to me. I'll reserve judgement until I learn more about the guy.

Sonic1002

06-27-2005, 11:44 AM

..... All ya all ain't gonna get off my back for suggesting Cruise, are you??

norrinraad

06-27-2005, 12:47 PM

Don't sweat it Sonic. For some reason I'm reading all over the Net how Cruise would make a great Joker. That's what I'm referring to. Cruise's public antics have been a little strange lately, especially considering how stellar his reputation had been up until just a month ago. However, his behaviour hardly qualifies him to play Joker. If that were the case, every actor who's ever had a public meltdown would be a good choice.

The Xenos

06-27-2005, 04:41 PM

Yeah, just because Cruise is becoming more and more like an escpaed mental patient, it doesn't mean that he should play one in a Batman movie. PLus I don't think Joker ever joined a cult.

-Xenos

Sonic1002

06-27-2005, 04:56 PM

Sonic1002

06-28-2005, 09:22 AM

Ladies and Gents: We've got another one!!!
Vincent Cassel. And, personally, out of the new batch (aka Penn and Bettany) that has been popping up, I'm most pleased with him...
http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/cannes/cannes_film_festival_2005_photos/vincent_cassel/cannes05_matchprev.jpg
http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/universal_focus/brotherhood_of_the_wolf__le_pacte_des_loups_/vincent_cassel/wolf.jpg
http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/cannes/cannes_film_festival_2004_photos/vincent_cassel/cannes.jpg
^I think that that looks strikingly similar to the Pre-Joker comedian found in "killing joke"

Essex

06-28-2005, 10:09 AM

I like the idea of Cassel as Joker. He's well suited to the role, but also, he's a nice medium between famous and unknown. He's a very well respected actor, but he isn't extremely well known to American audiences.

Sonic1002

06-28-2005, 10:20 AM

And best thing of all: he's 6'2"!

easy D

06-28-2005, 11:24 AM

Oh, I remember him now. That creepy Marilyn Manson looking motherf**ker from Brotherhood of the Wolf. Yeah, I could see that. If only he can act without a french accent.

06-28-2005, 06:52 PM

And best thing of all: he's 6'2"!

Sign him up! Next to Brody, he looks the most like the Joker out of everyone named AND he can act AND he's tall! My only concern, like Easilydissolved's, is whether or not he can mimic an American accent effectively, like Christian Bale. If so, he'd be a GREAT choice for the Joker. If not, Adrian Brody's the one to go to.

Midgets under 5'10" who look nothing like the Joker need not apply, no matter how messed up they acted in Hostage! ;)

TRYGONEZ

06-29-2005, 12:05 AM

I think Adrien Brody is excellent as is Mr. Cassiel or whatever he's called... now... what do you think of Noah Wyle? and Allan Cummings (Nightcrawler)?, about the makeup I'm OK with the green hair and white skin... about the grin... well, I really don't think it would work as a CGI effect, and the Nicholson style makeup... not at all, not again. I think the definitive version of the Joker is that in The Killing Joke Comic and secondly, The Dark Knight Returns. As you can see, the Joker can frown too or stay serious (specially on that panel in The Killing Joke where the Joker says "It's all a joke! everything anybody ever valued or struggled for... it's all a monstrous, demented gag! so why can't you see the funny side? why aren't you laughing?) please check that panel to see what I mean, that sardonic smile is a result of his madness... I mean if they can get someone with a very wide smile... I think it would be great and no, no Jim Carrey please.

norrinraad

06-29-2005, 07:29 AM

Noah Wyle? Isn't he the one on ER (which I've watched a total of twice in my life)? For some odd reason I could see that working. People who are openly weird are usually harmless. It's those squeaky clean types you have to worry about. It's kind of like Kelsey Grammar as Beast. Not something you would immediately think but once you hear it, it makes sense.

imported_Thom

06-29-2005, 04:36 PM

Noah Wyle might work. He played quite a loose cannon as Steve Jobs in Pirates of Silicon Valley. But I don't know if he can play completely unhinged as the Joker should be.

Majik1387

07-06-2005, 12:32 AM

Well, newest candidate for the Joker is now Vincent Cassel. Here's the link:
http://ropeofsilicon.com/news.php?id=2455

His filmography:
http://imdb.com/name/nm0001993/

Rebornhunter

07-06-2005, 02:46 PM

very nice...he defintally looks the part, but I had a thought today...how about Marilyn Manson...not sure on acting ability but he sure as heck has the look

Sonic1002

07-08-2005, 10:29 AM

:shock: :cry:
I would have to kill myself....

The Riddler on the Batman already looks like him....

Essex

07-10-2005, 09:08 PM

I don't feel like reading all the previous posts in here, but has anyone suggested Josh Lucas for the role of Joker? Despite the fact that he is one of my favourite actors, I never thought of him for the role. However, I am shocked at how damn perfect he seems. He has got exactly the intensity that would be needed for the role and can be downright scary at times. Even in his straight, good guy roles, he still seems intimidating in a weird way. I would expect him to be the caliber of actor they'd go after too. Not a big star, but big enough to be recognized by movie fans.

Check out a convincing pic here. (http://www.celebrity-exchange.com/celebs/photos48/josh-lucas.jpg)

Majik1387

07-11-2005, 12:27 AM

I could see Josh Lucas as Joker. He was in American Psycho, so maybe he'll show us a great peformance like Christian Bale.

Sonic1002

07-12-2005, 03:02 PM

Ya know, at first I didn't like the idea of him as Joker.... But I could really see him as Joker... He does have a way of looking creepy and imposing even when he's being good natured....

soonersuperman

07-18-2005, 12:49 PM

personally, i think cassell has the best joker 'look' to him. brody is a close second then hulme and lucas after that. i think those actors could bring the joker some much-needed acting chops to go along w/ bale and the rest of the batman cast. there was a pic of cassell doing a "joker smile" and he looked so much like the clown prince that i say nolan should sign him up immediately! plus, his role in ocean's 12 was very good, he seems to be able to play a cunning bad guy properly. he could bring a sense of sophistication to the joker role and maybe give him some depth, something that would make the joker the instant, classic villain he is. i think the joker should be played as a conniving, intelligent, crazy-as-hell bad guy b/c he is just that- insane! no crazy purple suits or outrageous weapons or henchmen! that would make the role so comical and unbelievable as nolan et al are trying to give these new movies a sense of realism. more muted purples, maybe a zoot-suit style hat and suit and trench coat, and 'regular' weapons like tommy guns and bombs that the joker could use while grinning from ear to ear as he exacts revenge on a city that tossed him out. the 'killing joke' and 'halloween' comics would be a great basis for the next movie, but i haven't read as much of these to be a 'total expert'- only what i've gathered from what has been said in other posts and online-so i would like a post that explains what they mean to the whole batman saga if you guys would? thanks for the input.
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Nightwing: Year One

07-29-2005, 05:58 PM

Hey all-

I am just up to my old stuff and I am just going to tell you all that Crispin Glover might be casted for the sequel to BATMAN BEGINS. To see an image of him and a make-up touch up, click on these links here:

http://www.willardmovie.com/html/images/movie_main_image.jpg

and to see the touch up click under these words: ( :lol: )

http://www.enriquegarcia.net/images/crispinjoker.jpg

And for the crappeset piece of art ever shown in the history of the world here it is:

http://img60.imageshack.us/my.php?image=crispinjoker8mm.jpg

Thanks for your time reading these thread.
- Nightwing: Year One

The Xenos

07-30-2005, 12:16 AM

Ok, ignoring I saw that last one..

Anyway, Glover has been suggested many times. I somewhat like him and could live with it, but he's a bit too crazy in real live and I kinda want a skinnier and lanky Joker.

I like the suggestion of Adrian Brody.

-Xenos

thejoker'scard

07-31-2005, 12:42 AM

Everyone keeps saying friggin Brody. Am I missing something? Why him? In what film does it seem that he's fit for the role?

Majik1387

07-31-2005, 12:50 AM

I don't have anything against Brody being Joker due to me not seeing any of his movies. I will say he has some similarities to Joker though. My vote is for Crispin Glover, in the Charlie's Angels movies, he was pretty good playing Creepy Thin Man. I don't like Lachey Hulme or whatever his name is because I saw him in one of the Matrix movies and he was not only annoying but he's just a bad actor. Alan Cummings I also think is a good choice.

Sonic1002

07-31-2005, 10:36 AM

Everyone keeps saying friggin Brody. Am I missing something? Why him? In what film does it seem that he's fit for the role?
The village is where I got the idea for him to Joker. He is both tall and lanky. He even has the nose. He's an academy award winner. I'm sure he can pull Joker out of his ass if he needed to.

Pod

07-31-2005, 12:39 PM

Everyone keeps saying friggin Brody. Am I missing something? Why him? In what film does it seem that he's fit for the role?

Well I dont think he should be playing joker but I think that his role in Oxygen with him as a criminal was a very well played role...and creepy when he did that nail thing...He can play a criminal mastermind but with the joker all he's missing is some make-up...and a good laugh.

easy D

07-31-2005, 05:33 PM

The village is where I got the idea for him to Joker. He is both tall and lanky. He even has the nose. He's an academy award winner. I'm sure he can pull Joker out of his ass if he needed to.

Got the same idea from the same movie, too. Although I'm sure I wouldn't say "pull Joker out of his ass". Makes it sound like the role is beneath him.

Batman15

07-31-2005, 06:52 PM

I want Mark Hammil to be Joker! He's already got the voice and he doesn't look that bad for Joker. :P

Essex

07-31-2005, 08:15 PM

He's also over 50...

Mark may not have been bad a number of years ago, but I'm afraid nobody is going to want to see Batman beating up a near-senior citizen. Especially one who is seen as a washed up actor by mainstream audiences.

Sonic1002

08-01-2005, 11:05 AM

Well, seeing as one of our choices, Ben Foster, is now incorporated with another comic book movie (Angel in X3), I'm fully behind my man Adrian.

As for Mark, I love the man for his voicing of Joker on the cartoons. But, I cannot in good conscience suppotrt him being Joker on screen, or even voicing over the actor in the movie (like in Birds of Prey). They need to have something new and fresh, not connected to any previous Batman incarnation whatsoever, whether it be good or bad. The proverbial cord must be cut. Let this new Bat-Franchise walk on its own.

And to easilydissolvedinwater, sry for phrasing that way. I jsut meant that he is an able actor who I am sure could pull off any character he wants.

norrinraad

08-01-2005, 11:28 AM

Well, seeing as one of our choices, Ben Foster, is now incorporated with another comic book movie (Angel in X3), I'm fully behind my man Adrian.

Same here. Actually, I'd be equally happy with either him or Glover, but for some reason I'm not sure either will be cast. I've got this odd feeling that the casting for this is going to be totally out of left field, someone not immediately obvious. However, both Brody and Glover seem to be fan favourites and Nolan listened to the fans for the casting of Batman himself, so you never know.

Of the two I'm leaning more towards Glover. We've had so many over the top portrayals of Joker over the years that someone who exudes a quieter menace would be a refreshing change.
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Batman15

08-01-2005, 01:05 PM

easy D

08-01-2005, 06:48 PM

Essex wrote: He's also over 50... Mark may not have been bad a number of years ago, but I'm afraid nobody is going to want to see Batman beating up a near-senior citizen. Especially one who is seen as a washed up actor by mainstream audiences

You do realize that I was joking don't you?

Well, we could've looked at it like that if he wasn't mentioned before. Someone once mentioned the same thing before.

Now if someone said "Matt Damon as Joker" :lol:

Essex

08-01-2005, 07:19 PM

You do realize that I was joking don't you?

Damnit, I left my 'telepathy helmet' at work. If only I could read your mind...OR, you could NOT write a perfectly serious statement followed by an emoticon and expect me to somehow know your real intention behind the post...yeah, that'd do just fine as well. But, whatever. Either way. I'll pick up the helmet from work tomorrow.

Batman15

08-02-2005, 12:47 PM

I'm not even going to bother to argue with you about that commment. Also I didn't realize he was mentioned before.

Sonic1002

08-02-2005, 12:49 PM

Now if someone said "Matt Damon as Joker" :lol:
*Cries myself to sleep*

Batman15

08-02-2005, 12:57 PM

easilydissolvedinwater wrote:
Now if someone said "Matt Damon as Joker"

Hmm.... I wonder... :lol:

easy D

08-02-2005, 09:52 PM

Now if someone said "Matt Damon as Joker" :lol:
*Cries myself to sleep*

What?!

Majik1387

08-02-2005, 09:58 PM

I just saw the movie The Village, and my expectations of Adrien Brody just went down. He did an okay job for what the character was but I don't think he could pull off the Joker. All my support now goes to Crispin Glover.

FireStormTrooper

08-12-2005, 03:02 PM

I've heard some very good choices being bandied about for the role of the Joker in the BATMAN BEGINS sequel. However, I've just heard a name gossiped about that would never have occurred to me in a vacuum ...

Johnny Depp.

Wait, before you throw those empty wine bottles at me, hear me out. According to his biography on www.imdb.com, he stands 5'10", has the requisite skinny frame and is certainly versatile enough to do creepy and do it well (see SECRET WINDOW). He's been an Oscar-caliber actor for years now and he loves doing wierd "not-what-they-were expecting" type roles. It's rare that he plays the villian and him being involved would continue the new tradition of getting Oscar-caliber actors in supporting roles (Freeman, Neeson, Watanbe, Caine, Oldman) for Batman films.

OK, I'm done. You may throw the bottles now.

Sonic1002

08-12-2005, 03:20 PM

Again ,they want some taller than Bale, who is like 6'1", or somthing like that.
But I have to agree, Depp would probably do one of the best Jokers we've ever seen... He, next to Oldman, is like one of the only people who can completely change his physical apprearance to suit his movie. So, he would be a good "super star" for the role.

dogsgotlipstick

08-15-2005, 02:17 PM

theres only one...
http://uk.msnusers.com/faut0neiujsqgjol6smcmhf794/Documents/Pictures%2Fjkedit2.jpg

chris eccleston

Bigkid

08-16-2005, 10:32 AM

My choice would be Crispin Glover (Willard). I think he could bring an understated creepiness to the role which would be a refreshing change. Every since good ol' Jack went totally over the top in Burton's original I've wanted to see a quieter, more sinister Joker. The "Clown" aspect needs to be retained but it doesn't have to be as manic to be effective. I think Glover could pull that off perfectly.

OH NOBLE NORRIN!
Yeah, I've thought the same thing before......and I don't know if anybody else here has answered the same way that I'm about to, but I feel that Glover has a tendencey to REALLY go over the top.....almost in a painful sort of way. I mean, in "Willard", I was laughing my ass off in some of what was supposed to be the more "serious" moments with Willard, but I though that he was SO over the top that I couldn't help myself! :lol:

But, with a terrific director such as Christopher Nolan behind the camera, I'm sure that he might be successful at reeling a Crispin Glover in when necessary.

easy D

08-16-2005, 03:16 PM

Eh, I hate to disagree with you guys one this one. Simply because I'd rather see Crispin Glover as the Riddler instead of the Joker. Still wanna see Adrian Brody as the Joker, though.

norrinraad

08-17-2005, 07:29 PM

Brody is an excellent choice, Easy D. I'd be equally happy with either him or Glover. I believe I read something on the front page that said they were leaning more towards Glover, but that could easily change. After seeing both Willard and The Village, it's definitely a toss up between the two of them as far as my wish list goes.
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norrinraad

08-17-2005, 07:33 PM

OH NOBLE NORRIN!
Yeah, I've thought the same thing before......and I don't know if anybody else here has answered the same way that I'm about to, but I feel that Glover has a tendencey to REALLY go over the top.....almost in a painful sort of way. I mean, in "Willard", I was laughing my ass off in some of what was supposed to be the more "serious" moments with Willard, but I though that he was SO over the top that I couldn't help myself! :lol:

I see what you mean Biggie. However, I think a bit of that would be appropriate for Joker. As long as it's not Nicholson level over the top, it could work!
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Bigkid

08-23-2005, 02:47 PM

Eh, I hate to disagree with you guys one this one. Simply because I'd rather see Crispin Glover as the Riddler instead of the Joker. Still wanna see Adrian Brody as the Joker, though.

Where I don't think that Brody is a bad choice, still, wanting to see Glover as The Riddler isn't a bad idea either, but I'm sure that that will have to wait until a Batman Begins AGAIN type of flick (Batman Begins 3). Or maybe they can combine villains like they did in the Val Kilmer Batman version, and have a Riddler and another villain....... in this case, the Joker. But I wouldn't count on that happening.

Pod

08-30-2005, 06:09 PM

I just need to get something straight here. Even with the low amount of posts a day I still hope this is answered...by today...err...

Anyways my question is: Did the studio cast an actor for the joker yet? Because I remember a few months ago that a british actor was chosen but I'm not sure if thats true so does anyone kno if they cast someone yet? I think not because we're still saying we want Brody for Joker which is a cool idea but I cant picture him doing a good laugh...

DarrenJSeeley

08-30-2005, 07:43 PM

Anyways my question is: Did the studio cast an actor for the joker yet?

While Charles Roven stated that the Joker card was only intended as a wink to the fanbase, it is a smoking gun, and everyone wants Joker in the next film.

However... the part is not claimed yet, and there is a question if Nolan will return. Supposedly if he does not, neither will Goyer.

Sonic1002

08-31-2005, 03:58 PM

However, I also remember reading something Goyer said about Joker being the main villain of this movie, and Two-Face for the third....

norrinraad

08-31-2005, 07:37 PM

In a recent interview with the local newspaper, the idea of Glover as Joker was very briefly addressed. Although he didn't actually come out and say it, Glover gave the impression that playing Joker was kind of beneath him. He's one of the few actors who, when he says he doesn't really concern himself with mainstream success, I actually believe. He's a very interesting guy, definitely an abstract thinker. Anyway, this could be smoke and mirrors, but I'm not holding my breath waiting for him to be cast.
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Sonic1002

08-31-2005, 07:40 PM

for seom reason I jsut don't see him being cast as Joker anyways...
I think that Nolan would go for a more... defined actor. While he's not my top pick, Paul Bettany would be one of those. Adrian Bordy (who is my top pick) is also. People who have been in good roles and are REALLY good at acting.

FireStormTrooper

09-09-2005, 12:15 PM

I'm still rather liking the off-the-wall idea of Johnny Depp as the Joker. I can really see it. No one doubts he has acting chops to pull it off. And I think the Joker might be just eccentric enough for Depp's tastes. I honestly don't know if he is in talks to play Batman's arch-nemesis or not, just the idea sounds good. Plus, having presumably lost Oscar-caliber Liam Neeson in BB1, it'd be nice to replace him w/ another Oscar-caliber talent like Depp. Plus, I think Depp would do a wicked Joker, having never really played a straight-up villian before (SECRET WINDOW was a trip).

Jakerman

09-20-2005, 08:57 AM

It was on the main page here at C2F today that (and this is just a rumor) Hulme and Bettany are the only ones who will test for the part. I'd have to pick Bettany but that's simply because I've never seen Hulme in anything but the Matrix sequel. (forgot which one) And Nolan seems to like established actors.

Sonic1002

10-04-2005, 10:42 AM

denjin

10-05-2005, 01:56 PM

adrien brody is a good actor but hes way to small to be joker, just one look at lachy and you see the intensity and build to pull it off. my second choice would be paul bettany , but his american accent in dofville has me squirming as to what joker might sound like.

lachy is the way to go , when i first saw his pic at matrix website , i said thats the guy you need playing joker, the joker in this movie needs to be like mc dowalls character in A clockwork orange meets stephen dorff's deacon frost. then again stephen's performance as deacon frost was alot like jack nicholson's joker meets mc dowalls character 9 cant remember name).

Sonic1002

10-06-2005, 03:11 PM

...Adrien Brody isn't too short at all. He's an inch and half over Bale. And some good shoes could give him at least 2 to 3 inches on Bale.
Brody is still my favorite choice....

denjin

10-06-2005, 04:54 PM

Not small as in height but in stature he's pretty skinny to invoke any type of fear into Batman. Heres my breakdown of all possible Joker candidates

1.Lachy Hulme... IMO he's the way to go he looks like a deranged maniacal version of Cesar Romero who played the Joker in the 70's tv show.The pic of him on the Matrix website bio looks absolutley like someone who would non chalantly rob a bank and commit a double homicide.

2.Paul Bettany... great actor who has the intensity to play it off. His turn off to me would be something really stupid to most...his hair and his accent (see Dogville). He might beat out Lachy because he's an established actor.

3.Sean Penn....When I first heard about him I said he's the Joker! Reportedly he shot it down not wanting to play a role that his good pal Nicolson played ,otherwise he would be my first choice.

from here on I'll explain why they shouldnt be considered..

1.Vincent Cassel...great actor but mind you he's French and his accent would getin the way.

2.Adrienne Brody...see above

3.Crispin Glover...looks the part but is too beside himself; he might not want to do a part 3, anybody remember Back to the Future?

4.Johhny Depp...I like Johhny but him as Joker...I'll pass but I could eat my words.

Sonic1002

10-06-2005, 09:15 PM

Well, Joker isn't exactly what we'd call "buff". That is one the things about him. He is feirce, that makes up for his stature.

Essex

10-06-2005, 09:32 PM

1.Vincent Cassel...great actor but mind you he's French and his accent would getin the way.

2.Adrienne Brody...see above

Er...Adrien Brody was born in NY.

denjin

10-07-2005, 09:59 AM

I know that Adrienne was born in NY, but what does that mean? He's just not the menacing type from what Ive seen from his films. my first 3 choices for Joker are all candidates you have an intensity about their facial expressions which would warrant them to be considered 'right"for the part.

Essex

10-07-2005, 10:49 AM

Ooh, I see. "See above," combined with the bizarre spelling of "Adrienne" made me think you thought he was French.

Pod

10-07-2005, 02:21 PM

:lol: Adrien Brody acting french...I gatta see a movie like that. But not in BB2. Has even been french in a movie. Also Joker's not french...but no one said he was...hehe :wink:

denjin

10-10-2005, 09:04 AM

I think it's a pretty safe bet to think that no one would forgive the casting of Joker to some french men trying to pull of an american accent so don't even think about trying to sell me those damaged goods... Vincent Cassel bagged himself Monica Belluci, he should be happy he got that much. The plausability of a immigrant Joker with french accent running Gotham amok is pretty dumb, and you are right no one said Joker was french but that doesnt mean he should be considered.*Tisk* *Tisk*

Funny thing happened to me this past weekend, I was at Borders and decided to pick up the latest issue of Empire magazine and in it were 3 of the choices to play Joker in unrelated stories: Crispin Glover, Sean Penn and Adrien Brody. I've got to admit that Crispin has moved up in my ranks to win that role; he looked pretty dapper in a 3 piece suit and I belive isnt the bad choice I initially thought would be unless Glover decides to do the sequel but pretentiously not do part 3 ,because it would be beneath him.

Sean Penn looked absolutely great and I think should have the role handed to him on a silver platter; which could happen If Nolan convinces him that his Joker won't have any of the face painting gimmicks asscociated with the Harrlequin of Hate. And I truly belive that we wont see a repeat performance of Nicholson's Clown Prince of Crime take on the Joker.

Now for Adrien Brody; the guy simply does not have "it" to be such a volatile film villain such as the Joker. Brody has had solid performances in the movies he's appeared in but his dowy eyed face and small stature doesnt put him in the league with Hulme and his acting chops really arent that better then Penn's or Bettany's. I would like all supporters of Brody to cease and desist doing so because the guy just doesnt have what it takes to play the role.

I would also like to say that Christoper Eccleston might come out of left field and take the role himself.

FireStormTrooper

10-10-2005, 01:27 PM

easy D

10-10-2005, 01:31 PM

Y'know, Crispin Glover did send an e-mail to Wizard Magazine saying that he would make a great Joker.

Pod

10-10-2005, 04:03 PM

From some message boards on IMDb I hear alot of actors have asked to be the Joker...too bad they dont get the part. It's always nice to see actors acting like comic-fans when they really want is a wierd movie role for some good ol' Oscar nominations. :wink: :lol:

denjin

10-10-2005, 05:04 PM

If candidates are being dismissed due to physical stature (i.e. height), then Sean Penn, while a tremendously gifted actor, will never be the Joker.

He's 5 feet, 9 inches tall ... according to www.imdb.com.

That's one short (but still talented) Clown Prince of Crime we're talking about.

If you take a close look at Sean Penn and Lachy Hulme they share a similair type of facial expression , but my dear friend Penn's shortcomings can be fixed with props while Vincent Cassel's french accent would and probably has cost him some movie roles in the US.

The Glover issue is that he is considered a true artist therefore might think the role of Joker ,albeit a coveted one, is nothing more than a commerical ruse. Ive heard his record and must admit that sounds like something that the Joker would consider reading or singing to his children if he had any. The one thing about the Joker that will be different in the sequel ( any doubters out there about this are welcome to debate;to me its a foregone conclusion Joker will be next) from previous incarnations is that the Joker will take on a more serious tone , atleast that's what I'm hoping for and what Christian Bale hinted at when he told reports that's why the Joker card looked different from what was previously thought of ,therefore it'll be a dark Joker not Cesar Romero nor Nicholson's take on Joker.(The calling card the Joker leaves is a replica of the Joker Card from the 1989 graphic novel "Arkham Asylum".)

p.s. Sonic1002 suggests casting Adrien Brody as Joker and Andy Garcia as Harvey Dent, its casting like that that made the Godfather part 3 so miserable. My choice would be Lachy Hulme and Liev Schrieber.

Majik1387

10-10-2005, 05:28 PM

I'm actually to the point where I don't care who they cast as long as it's not Lachey Hulme(or however you spell his name)

Sonic1002

10-10-2005, 05:56 PM

HOW IS BRODY TOO SHORT? He is 6'1 1/2". He's taller than Bale... And I have seen the man play psychotic before...

However, I could live with Lachy Hulme. I will give you that.

denjin

10-11-2005, 12:16 PM

Well according to Batman on Film, the villains in the next movie are already in gear and the Joker is one of a few villains and not the central bad guy but a "wild card" in all the drama, and it's reported that the Joker from the comic books wont be translated onto the screen; thats what I was talking about when I mentioned that Joker would not use any face paint or green hair ; it would look out of place in Nolan's take on Batman. The Joker should be a psychopath sadist rather than a dapper jester a la Nicholson( Although Nicholson's joker did have a dark side).

Sonic, I never mentioned Brody being to short ; to me he's way to scrawny anf his facial expressions arent nearly as menacing as Lachy Hulme, Sean Penn or Paul Bettany ( compare them all and you'll see a distinct quality shared by my Holy Trinity of actors up for Joker that Brody doesnt have). Batman on film says because of this alternate take on Joker , Crispin Glover nor Johnny Depp are to be seriously considered.

The film looks fabulous already!

FireStormTrooper

10-12-2005, 07:36 AM

From www.darkhorizons.com :

With the "Batman Begins" DVD almost upon us, rumours have begun ramping up again about the proposed sequel - mostly in relation to the title. Today a scooper by the name of 'Washington Post' has sent along a good summation report of where the project stands, re-iterating some old points, washing away others and adding one or two new rumours to the mix:

"I've read a heap of CRAP on sites about the film being called THIS or THAT, and that it's going to star HIM or HER, and have THAT character in it. I can tell you that MOST of it - isn't true.

Firstly, this guy, Lachy Hulme must be tooting his own horn. He's apparently known as the "who is this guy?" around the Bat-traps. I don't think he's got much of a chance in The Joker stakes. Paul Bettany, on the other hand, he's definitely one that's been discussed. Mark Hammil? Crispin Glover? Sean Penn? - BS. Several names have been mentioned, branded about - in addition to Bettany - like Ryan Reynolds, Michael Keaton (no kidding), and Johnny Depp - but its way too early to be saying so-and-so has got the role.

OK, next. Katie Holmes - despite what the press is saying, how she wrecked the film and all - will be back. She might not be back (SPOILER ALERT) for the whole movie (SPOILER END), but she will be back.

HARVEY DENT will be in the film. He won't be TWO-FACE until the sequel after, but he will be a main part of the next sequel. At the moment, it looks like Liev Schrieber, has got the gig. Also returning are Gary Oldman, Michael Caine and Linus Roache. The same effects team, composer James Newton Howard, the same costume designer - all back.

Couple of new 'secondary' characters (like 'Falcone' was in the last one) here too. One being talked about - Oswald Cobblepot/Penguin. They're working on costume mocks for that now - I don't know that it's for sure that Cobblepot will 'transform' in this one though, or that they're just going to introduce him. They want a (kinda amusing) "Harvey Weinstein" type - but not necessarily a naturally-fat guy - just someone that can pull it off effectively".

Don't expect much in the way of official answers to questions either. In an interview this week, Chris Nolan repeatedly said he couldn't go into details about the sequel.

Originally posted by Denjin:
Firestormtrooper,brush up on your reading comprehension

Denjin? Brush up on your own "reading comprehension". :roll:

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denjin

10-15-2005, 11:13 AM

YOU mentioned on another post that Harvey Dent was the possible heir and Joker was the possible British arms dealer...so i suggest your go get a subsciprtion to "Hooked on Phonics:Reading Comprehension Edition."

norrinraad

10-18-2005, 06:46 PM

Michael Keaton as Joker, eh? What a crazy, ridiculous idea. It would distract the hell out of audiences and the whole thing reeks of stunt casting. Plus, he could be Bale's father for the the love of all that's holy. And you know what?

I love it.

The idea itself is ludicrous, but just the idea shows that someone is seriously considering this and thinking outside of the box. Similar to the idea of Kelsey Krammer as Beast, right out of left field. I've seen Beetlejuice (who hasn't) and Keaton is definitely manic enough. However, I still want someone more sinister, more low-key, less cartoonish, who radiates pure, chilling evil. I don't think Keaton is the best choice, but he's definitely the most interesting one I've heard so far.
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"Hey you, watching as this light bleeds all over me."

easy D

10-18-2005, 06:53 PM

Well, there was a movie Michael Keaton did a while ago with Andy Garcia (I think it was called Desperate Measures) where he played a serial killer who had to be kept alive so that he could donate some bone marrow or something for Garcia's son. Something like that. Never saw it, though

FireStormTrooper

10-19-2005, 08:40 AM

Originally posted by denjin:
YOU mentioned on another post that Harvey Dent was the possible heir and Joker was the possible British arms dealer...so i suggest your go get a subsciprtion to "Hooked on Phonics:Reading Comprehension Edition."

Originally posted by FireStormTrooper:
it kinda sounds like they're leaning toward following the same formula as BB1: Many villains. This sounds like Two-Face is the "heir" and that the British arms dealer is ... the Joker??? I don't know, this sounds like a early scripting red herring. Jokes as an arms dealer? I prefer the terrifyingly sadistic sociopath approach to that character. Two-Face as a dark reflection of Bruce Wayne? Sounds more like Prometheus, the Anti-Batman. Mob boss might be Penguin, Riddler or Ventriloquist. Keep in mind these are all just my wild speculations based on a sketchy tidbit of info.

OK, denjin, I know you may have missed this, but read that last sentence in my quote. I even put it in boldface so you won't have to strain to find it. I qualified what I was saying from the get-go as mere conjecture on my part. You brought the insults into this, not me. Why don't you act your age ... unless you're like, 12 or something.

Whatever. This is supposed to be fun. We were talking Batman flicks. And the casting of the Joker.

So what has supposed leading contender Paul Bettany been in? For some reason I want to say he was in A BEAUTIFUL MIND as one of Russell Crowe's imaginary friends?

Sonic1002

10-19-2005, 09:51 AM

Yes, you are correct.

Oh, and as For what Batman-on-Film says on Joker:

Let me clarify what I said about The Joker's apperence. As far as his physical apperence goes, it seems pretty faitful to the comics - although it's never really explained why he will look the way he does. So no make up or permanent smiles on his face. As far as his costume, by 'exact translation' I mean the kind of translation that has been seen in 'The Animated Series or Burton's 'Batman.'
I never said anything saying that we might not see The Joker in purple at some point."
and...
Some of you -based on your emails - misunderstood what our source "Treatment Insider" told us about the look of The Joker. He - the Joker character - will not be wearing white makeup. The actor playing him will obviously, so he can look like a guy with bleach-white skin...

So, We will be seeing the Bleached-skin villain, not the make-up happy villain as some may have thought. Joker is going to be the bad-ass we all want him to be, no matter who is going to be playiing him.... Nolan will assure us of that! :D

denjin

10-19-2005, 02:35 PM

You're right Forestormtooper, this is all fun ,sorry if I offended you .I personally think that the Lachy Hulme should be the Joker, on the other hand ,Bettany is playing Silas the Albino assasin in Ron Howards take on The Da Vinci Code, so Im guessing that role will give Bettany some brownie points in the joker sweepstakes. Christopher Eccleston is my wild card to storm from left field and take the role a la the new James Bond(dont know his name;I personally dont want a blonde Joker either).

FireStormTrooper

10-20-2005, 10:03 AM

No hard feelings, denjin. Does anyone have a picture of Lachey Hulme and Paul Bettany for a side-by-side comparison .... (and how do you get actual pics / NOT links into your posts)?

Zac

10-20-2005, 10:22 AM

(and how do you get actual pics / NOT links into your posts)?

You put the URL of an image here with [ img ] (excluding the spaces) in front of it and [ /img ] behind it

denjin

10-20-2005, 11:47 AM

http://whatisthematrix.warnerbros.com/rv_cmp/rv_bios_hulme.html

denjin

10-20-2005, 11:48 AM

cant do it coreectly need some help

denjin

10-20-2005, 11:50 AM

http://whatisthematrix.warnerbros.com/rv_cmp/rv_bios_hulme.html<pi>

denjin

10-20-2005, 11:54 AM

http://whatisthematrix.warnerbros.com/rv_cmp/rv_bios_hulme.html

Essex

10-20-2005, 11:56 AM

Hey denjin,

You're doing the code correctly, but you need to be linking to image files, not web site files (html).

http://whatisthematrix.warnerbros.com/rv_img/rv_bio_head_hulme.jpg

easy D

10-20-2005, 12:26 PM

I know, it's tricky. But, you can do what I do. Go to image search on either Yahoo or Google. Click on the picture you want to use. When the page with the image is loaded click on View Image. Then go ahead and highlight and copy the http address. Then come here and go ahead and paste the address between the [ img ] [ /img ], and the picture should show up on your posts.

denjin

10-20-2005, 12:36 PM

thanks a bunch

denjin

10-20-2005, 12:43 PM

http://www.matrixfansite.com/cast/lachy.jpg

take off the beard and the guy looks absolutley like what Nolan's take on joker would be like

Pod

10-20-2005, 04:48 PM

http://www.matrixfansite.com/cast/lachy.jpg

I see no Joker... :shock: Yup, still nothing. I can't get it, even with no beard he has no feel of Joker to me...Meh, I dont think he'll be casted.

denjin

10-21-2005, 10:07 AM

http://ffmedia.ign.com/batman/image/lachy_hulme_1089249000.jpg

http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/universal_pictures/wimbledon/_group_photos/paul_bettany24.jpg

they both look the part, but Lachy looks more maniacal.

Essex

10-21-2005, 11:13 AM

I can see the Joker in Hulme. I think a virtual unknown would be a little better for a role such as Joker, but I'd be happy with Bettany.

denjin

10-21-2005, 01:40 PM

My sentiments exactly. Hulme is better suited cuz he has that "look" about him, he looks like hes plotting something evil in that pic I posted. However, if Bettany gets the role , I could live with it under the condition that he doesnt have blonde hair in the movie.

Majik1387

10-21-2005, 02:00 PM

Pod

10-21-2005, 06:34 PM

What happened with good casting directors?! :? :shock:

I unfortunatly can't see a perfect casting ever to be done but the closest that I think works is Adrien Brody. And alot of the manips in the DCG are really good at making it look good.

Kennythequiet

10-21-2005, 08:23 PM

http://img7.imagevenue.com/loc201/th_4c1_jokerhulmenolanfilmf.jpg

http://img120.imagevenue.com/loc106/th_50c_46hfg.jpg (http://img120.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc106&image=50c_46hfg.jpg) [URL=http://img120.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc106&image=50c_46hfg.jpg][IMG]http://img120.imagevenue.com/loc106/th_50c_46hfg.jpg[/IMG][/URL] http://img7.imagevenue.com/loc201/th_4c1_jokerhulmenolanfilmf.jpg

Pod

10-21-2005, 09:47 PM

Wow nice manips. But it's still not the right look for joker, even in another version of a darker one. Well he's pretty dark already but still I think there has to be better actors somewhere that fit the role.

P.S: When posting press "Preview" to see if any words or things that are in the post so you can take em out.

P.P.S: Oh, and another thing. I see alot of times bad posts that are soppose to show pictures and no one deletes em, I think there should be a forum that is like a test run to check on the post and also it wouldn't count to the post count just to be fair.

The Xenos

10-21-2005, 10:32 PM

Well, this is why they have make up tests and, more importantly, casting auditions. The director and producers themselves see the actor take on the part and then decide who did it best. Images online and even previous roles can't really tell you if they're right for Joker.

Man, what a buzz kill I am.

-Xenos

FireStormTrooper

10-22-2005, 08:04 AM

After BATMAN BEGINS, I trust Nolan, Goyer & Co with whomever their eventual decision is for the role of the Joker. I'd be happy with Bettany, Hulme, Brody or any other of their carefully thought-out choices.

Make a good movie and you earn people's trust and respect. 8)

denjin

10-22-2005, 12:25 PM

http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/twentieth_century_fox/batman__the_movie/_group_photos/burgess_meredith1.jpg

Here's a casting idea for the next Batman film , they'll even bring their own costumes!

Zac

10-22-2005, 02:42 PM

Too bad they're all dead, except for Julie Newmar.

Pod

10-22-2005, 02:49 PM

R.I.P!
:(

Those actors were that generation type characters. They can't compete with this new century type of audience for comic book characters...I guess.

Sonic1002

10-23-2005, 08:36 PM

I still say Adrien Brody.... HE EVEN HAS THE NOSE!
http://estaticos.elmundo.es/especiales/2003/03/cine/oscar/images/adrienbrodyAP.jpg

If I had to pick from Lachy Or Paul, I'd say Lachy looks more the part; however, I think that Paul could probably pull off the personality perfectly....

easy D

10-23-2005, 10:18 PM

You know what else? Go see The Jacket. There's a scene where Brody is in some kind of group therapy session, and he starts talking and upsets a bunch of patients. Now tell me, doesn't that hospital gown look a little like a purple pin-stripe suit? Maybe it's just me, but I could definately see a little Joker creeping in there.

KillJoelShumacher

10-24-2005, 01:30 AM

Adrien Brody would be good, but I've always seen him more as the scarecrow, for the Joker I think it should be either Crispin Glover for a more subdued joker, or Paul Bettany for a more over the top joker.

denjin

10-24-2005, 10:49 AM

According to insiders with access to Batman production, Glover is not a real serious candidate; Brody is way to scrawny and doesnt have the personality to intimidate the way Hulme or Bettany could.

Majik1387

10-24-2005, 07:55 PM

[quote="Sonic1002"]I still say Adrien Brody.... HE EVEN HAS THE NOSE!
quote]

I hate to sound like an a**hole, but to cast someone because they have the character's nose isn't just ridiculous, it's stupid.

How about they cast an actor who has talent and can act? I'm really not asking for much.

Sonic1002

10-25-2005, 03:50 PM

It's it a very good thing that Adrien Brody has an academy award then... So, I'll assume that he can act...

(Sry, that probably sounded snobbish, but I didn't intend for it to be...)

Majik1387

10-25-2005, 04:33 PM

It's it a very good thing that Adrien Brody has an academy award then... So, I'll assume that he can act...

(Sry, that probably sounded snobbish, but I didn't intend for it to be...)

The academy awards if you notice, care less about movies and talent and care more about popularity.

Jakerman

10-25-2005, 05:35 PM

Essex

10-25-2005, 06:49 PM

The academy awards if you notice, care less about movies and talent and care more about popularity.

Yeah, and as we all know, Adrien Brody was a popular teen heartthrob before winning his academy award for playing a polish jew in the Pianist...

I do not really like the idea of Brody as the Joker, but come on...he's a very talented actor who deserved the highest accolades for that role. He was barely known before that break-out role, so I hardly think popularity affected the results.

Pod

10-25-2005, 07:12 PM

Meh, now looking at Oceans 12 again today I'm friggin starting to think that the guy in that movie that was mentioned before should be Joker...

Adrien Brody seems like a popular chioce but would the casting directors want him? Even would the director want him as Joker?

Hey in The Batman cartoon show does the Joker have braids? :lol:

Sonic1002

10-25-2005, 07:52 PM

Me thknks they are Dread locks....that or REALLY wild, greasy hair...

Pod

11-07-2005, 09:20 PM

Vincent Cassel has that look I think that might work for Joker. I've been seeing too many Derailed commercials with him being a crazy killer of some kind and he has that look, that "Joker" look. The look that works for this type of Batman. Dammit, he should be casted as the joker after all.

I'm not interested into this movie he's in but I wonder if I do watch it, will every scene with him feel like he's Joker? Hmm...

easy D

11-07-2005, 11:22 PM

Well, go see The Jacket. Brody had pulled off some scenes where he played crazy. He proved to me that he could do Joker. Has anyone else seen it? And if so, you gotta agree with me, right?

Sonic1002

11-08-2005, 04:45 PM

I really want to see that movie. Is it good?

easy D

11-08-2005, 09:33 PM

I reviewed it in my movie reviews thread (Gave it a 7/10, I think). Gotta warn you it contains a spoiler.

Plus, Sonic, you're 666. Ooooh, creepy! :shock:

Sonic1002

11-11-2005, 08:31 PM

LOL!... My friends do tend to tell me I'm evil... :twisted:

FireStormTrooper

11-15-2005, 09:25 AM

Just saw DERAILED starring Clive Owen, Jennifer Aniston, and Vincent Cassell. I can see why people liking the idea of Cassell as the Joker. His Larue character definitely reminded me of the Clown Prince of Crime in certain scenes ... in terms of being over-the-top and charismatic at the same time. But even though he was a killer, at no time he possess the singular terrifying quality of a psychopath ... then again, his character, while evil, was also completely sane and logical to begin with, so that really can't be a mark against his acting ability. Right build and face, voice isn't bad. He's French, but I think he could disguise it if he had too.

Personally, I feel that the Joker should be in the same league of cinematic creepiness as Hannibal Lecter and Michael Myers. Like, the Joker could anchor his own horror movie sans Batman. Think about it ... a killer clown. How is that NOT scary?

denjin

11-15-2005, 11:07 AM

I think Christpoher Eccleston has a better shot at being the Joker than does Vincent.

Please allow me

http://ffmedia.ign.com/batman/image/lachy_hulme_1089249000.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/batmanonfilm/bofimagesbofimages/sm_lachy_joker_drawing1.jpg

denjin

11-15-2005, 11:09 AM

http://www.moviecard.com/zamerican/weightmachine/weight1941/weight1941-romero-foxF.jpg

http://www.frank-decaro.com/recipes/photos/cesar%20romero/cesar%20romero%20as%20joker.jpg

if you cant see the resemblance between Hulme and Romero then you are totally missing the point.

Pod

11-15-2005, 11:32 AM

http://photos.imageevent.com/batmanonfilm/bofimagesbofimages/sm_lachy_joker_drawing1.jpg

I see where your going with it but can the guy do that face? Or can he act like the Joker? I would also imagine something more different from Nolan and Goyer if they would have the joker but this is close to what I'm thinking.

My chioce is still on Vincent Cassel for his role in Derailed.

denjin

11-15-2005, 11:52 AM

when Kong comes out you be totally entralled with Adrien Brody{s performance and you{ll want him after you remember seeing his performance in The Jacket. Its so en vogue!

Pod

11-15-2005, 02:13 PM

when Kong comes out you be totally entralled with Adrien Brody{s performance and you{ll want him after you remember seeing his performance in The Jacket. Its so en vogue!

I've seen the trailers with him and I didn't see the Joker in his performance there. But I will definitly see King Kong. Also you might want to edit the { into '...just saying :wink:

Sonic1002

11-15-2005, 03:11 PM

Pod

11-15-2005, 04:40 PM

See, I don't think Kong would be a good movie to prove that Adrien could pull off Joker. However, if we turn our attention to either Village or The Jacket, we could see where he could be Joker...

So only in thriller movies can Adrien act and look close to being the Joker. I can see that the Joker is a dark character and falls in the thriller movie type story. Kong is just a good action movie. I haven't seen the Village or the Jacket so I guess the commercials won't help me there.

I want to see Adrien do the new yorker/queens vioce for the joker. I hear it everyday outside so I guess it would be funny...new yorker laugh...OoO that's something alright. :lol: :wink:

denjin

11-16-2005, 11:31 AM

Sorry my computer sucks. According to Batman-onfilm.com, Hulme is the favorite to play the Joker; Bettany not so far behind. I think the casting of an unknown for the role would make sense, as far as Cassel goes, the problem, as I have mentioned before , is his accent, and NO bearpod he cannot dummy down his accent as much as he wanted to. My qualms about Bettany are:

1). Blonde hair
2). Shotty accent; see Dogville
3). Looks too European

Bettany is one hell of a supporting actor though.

FireStormTrooper

11-16-2005, 12:12 PM

But, then again, there's a reason these guys are all highly-trained professional actors. Faking accents are frequently part and parcell of the job. I wouldn't hold an accent against anyone if they were good enough to disguise when necessary.

Anyway, whoever plays the Joker should play him as terrifying and horrifying as possible. The Joker should give Freddie Krueger, Jason Vorhees and Michael Myers collectively the creeps. He's should be the bogeyman's bogeyman. The sociopath other sociopaths are scared of. The first impression the audience should get when they see the Joker onscreen is not "wow, he looks way cool", but more like "holy god, i would never want to even make eye contact with this monster".

Bottom line: The Joker is a scary serial killer. Treat him as such.

Pod

11-16-2005, 01:04 PM

Bottom line: The Joker is a scary serial killer. Treat him as such.

Yes, but not in the way Burton did with his Joker. That was just too cartoony. Scary is a interesting word when you think about how to describe it to someone. People sometimes have different ways of saying what scary means. Nolan...Hmm I like the way he made Batman a dark character...but was that qualified as scary? I think so. Joker needs to be a character that makes you scream to death...not literally. :lol:

Sonic1002

11-16-2005, 06:01 PM

Pod

11-16-2005, 06:49 PM

I think the calaber of scariness that Joker should eminate should be akin to Hannabil Lecter.... A crazy ass psychopath who is frickin smart as hell. That is one thing commonly forget about Joker. While he is deranged and psychotic, he is also extremely intelligent.

I could definitly see that be done. Very good way of putting it, Sonic. I think Vincent Cassel can pull it off quite nicely from looking at his acting in Ocean's 12 it shows alot of Joker-ism(Lol...wierd word :lol: ).

I think that for a smart Joker we'll need someone who can show themselves to have that feel while still acting like a child...well maybe not a child but a clown in a way that doesn't go too far (ala Burton's Joker).

Sonic1002

11-16-2005, 09:02 PM

Zac

11-16-2005, 10:45 PM

Funny all the comparisons Lache Hulme to Caesar Romero reminds me of how when Christian Bale was first cast as Bruce, I saw a pic of him that looked a like Adam West:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/films/2005/06/15/images/christian_bale_batman_begins_interview_top.jpg

http://www.posters.ws/images/306880/adam_west.jpg

denjin

11-17-2005, 11:14 AM

I see the resemblance between West and Bale alright,lol!

About the Joker, I think he should be a cross between Malcolm Mcdowal's Alexander in Clockwork Orange and Hannibal Lector. Ultra serious and ultra sadistic.

Sonic1002

11-18-2005, 07:57 AM

...Yeah, that would be frickin like scary!
I LUV IT!

RayStantz

11-18-2005, 08:33 AM

I'm actually keen on the idea of Bettany being the Joker, but for arguments sake Johnny Depp look good in purple:

http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/3450/deppjoker9en.jpg

denjin

11-18-2005, 12:34 PM

Bettany seems to have the upper hand, but who really knows how they'll cast the role. As for Depp, according to those in the know around the Batman sequel,Depp's name, along with Crispin Glover's have been automatically crossed off the list.

Bettany does have the acting chops and his role in the Da Vinci Code as Silas the Albino assassin will give him brownie points in the Joker sweepstakes.

Pod

11-18-2005, 02:44 PM

The resemblance is super creepy.

Maybe the joker can't have the look of a combo of Wonka(see, I can spell it right!) and an englishman. I think that his look should be a bit of that crazy lunatic feel with the clown approach gone wrong followed by a screaming laugh that all folds nicely with a smile on the face. Beauty on a stick...beauty on a stick... :lol:

Also Denjin what's with all your subjects saying "............", i think it's ok to leave it blank.

denjin

11-21-2005, 09:39 AM

I do it just cuz i usually write stupid things in my heading,I remember when i was in 9th grade in my Computer programming class I named all of my programs after Doom levels (i.e. Redemption Denied, Eternal Damnation) and I was chastised for it so I always left the headings .................. .

Now for Depp as the Joker, i would love to see Johnny play a villian, but I think that the Joker just might be a tad bit out of his reach, which is ironic because I want Lachy Hulme as my Joker. Then again, I want a super model trophy wife.

RayStantz

11-21-2005, 02:25 PM

I agree completley, Depp dosnt have that...feel...for the joker, but he does have the look. However; I wouldn't minf seeing depp as the riddler.

Pod

11-21-2005, 02:30 PM

I agree completley, Depp dosnt have that...feel...for the joker, but he does have the look. However; I wouldn't minf seeing depp as the riddler.

Nahh, I would leave the Riddler to Jim Carrey, he's the best one in my opinion. I would like to see a return of him as Riddler but it wouldn't work in continuety and Jim's looking a big different from the time he acted as the Riddler. I really can't picuture anyone but him as the Riddler. :)

Sonic1002

11-21-2005, 05:44 PM

Carrey was too....flamboyant as riddler for my taste. IWant someone who is more a reserved genius for Riddler. David Hyde Pierce is my choice for Riddler...

RayStantz

11-23-2005, 09:11 AM

Personally I think Riddler was too manic for...the riddler. Frankly it seemed like he was trying to hard.

Pod

11-23-2005, 02:17 PM

Personally I think Riddler was too manic for...the riddler. Frankly it seemed like he was trying to hard.

I disagree. I say that Carey had the maniac thing going good for the Riddler. He was crazy but smart and had the comedy that worked with it. And his actions were great. The body movement was really as Carey as you can get. I know that Carey didn't think up the riddles but still the movie did capture the real Riddler in my opinion.

RayStantz

11-28-2005, 12:50 PM

I dont know...every time i see that film I think of Carey as the Joker or the Green Goblin, especially when he's in his tights with a little shoulder sack throwing bombs in the batcave while in a crouching position.

Jakerman

12-07-2005, 03:03 PM

Latest rumor is Sam Rockwell wants to be Joker. I'm sure he's not the only one. :lol:

Pod

12-07-2005, 03:21 PM

Latest rumor is Sam Rockwell wants to be Joker. I'm sure he's not the only one. :lol:

Hmm, he can act like the guy but he reminds me of a wierder version of Jim Carrey for some reason...I think a DCGer is needed to manip this guy. I can see it in his face...but not fully. :shock:

http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/contrib_pix/s/a/hds/sam_rockwell.jpg

The Xenos

12-07-2005, 06:30 PM

Funny thing, Rockwell played Batman in a parody fanfilm.

http://www.comics2film.com/movies/moviePage.php?f_id=444

I dunno, he's not a bad choise, but I dunno if he has the right voice. I thought his voice ids a bit deep. I keep thinking of Joker having a shrill voice at times. Though Rockwell certainly does a type of insane good, as seen as Zapphod in Hitchiker's Guide, but Joker is more menacing. Though nothing says he can't do that either.

-Xenos

Pod

12-11-2005, 06:29 PM

Stupid question but I was just wondering about this...

Does Joker have all his facial hair as green? As in, if he grows a beard, is it green? I was wondering this because if you have an actor who wants to have like a mustache or something like that on him while he plays Joker, will it be green? I'm wondering even if he can grow facial hair... :?

It would be nice to see Joker go in prison and grow a beard in a way like Bruce did in the beginning of BB. :o

FireStormTrooper

12-12-2005, 09:33 AM

If you take the origin where he was dropped into a vat of acid, then it stands to reason that ALL of the Joker's body hair is green, from his scalp to his beard (I assume he shaves regularly) to any chest, arm, leg or other hair he has.

Ironically, when Latino actor Cesar Romero played the Joker on the BATMAN tv series in the 60s, he didn't shave his own mustache off. Just had the white makeup powdered over it ... even though you could still see the imprint of it.

Sonic1002

12-12-2005, 04:25 PM

Ya know, I have a theory about that that would work for a more realistic approach.

The acid fall does in fact bleach his skin, but he himself dyes his own hair...

Sonic1002

12-13-2005, 08:00 AM

denjin

12-13-2005, 10:27 AM

I don't know if it is shrill... cuz Hamill's voice wasn't exactly shrill, playful and menacing and the same time... That's how I want the Joker to be... playful, yet menacing and damn creepy.

Me too. Rockwell will never play the Joker he just looks too silly beside Christian Bale. Lachy Hulme or Paul Bettany all the way!

Sonic1002

12-13-2005, 10:35 AM

Rockwell seems to.... silly.... just not suitable for a serious role like THAT.
Bettany, Lachy, and (my fan pick) Brody would do it jsutice.

Pod

12-13-2005, 03:30 PM

The dude wanting to dye his own hair green after that accident? Well, he did lose his sense of thought and became even more crazy after that acid so maybe there is some reality into the hair color being made by the Joker himself instead of the accident.

They could go with it and have a scene where it goes...
(Joker in the bathroom coloring his hair green)
Harley Quinn: What are you doing?
Joker: Just making myself have a look, babe.
Harley: Why do you need that color, snooky-poo?
Joker: Because....(all dramatic...but yet a bit cartoony) I'M THE JOKER! AHAHHAHA!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

RayStantz

12-14-2005, 11:58 AM

Pod

12-14-2005, 02:07 PM

Since the good sir who played Barty Crouch has been a recent name added to the rumor list for the Joker I thorugh together this little number based on Nolans description of the new character:

http://img500.imageshack.us/img500/7716/bartycrouchjr6pd.jpg

Wow...That's one creepy skinnny look for Joker. He...dude looks like a lady! :lol: :wink:

I want to see that actor kill someone with that look on him... :shock:

Sonic1002

12-15-2005, 03:37 PM

After watching The Ref.... yeah, I guess that Denis Leary could pull off a perty good Joker... he had that type of controlled insanity a bit, I think... ready to go off at any moment.... So, yeah... He shall now be number 4 on my list....

Top 4 Joker choices

1. Adrian Brody
2. Lachy Hulme
3. Paul Bettany
4. Denis Leary

Jakerman

12-15-2005, 05:19 PM

For me it's...

1. Johnny Depp
2. Adrian Brody

RayStantz

12-15-2005, 11:17 PM

Adrian Brody definantly...maybe Depp as the Riddler.

denjin

12-16-2005, 09:56 AM

my list is

1. Lachy Hulme
2.Paul Bettany
3.Sean Penn
4.Christopher Eccleston

Jakerman

12-16-2005, 10:14 AM

Wow I completely forgot about the Sean Penn rumor. He's my number 3.

Pod

12-16-2005, 01:30 PM

Brody....all the way. :D

Depp...maybe....not really... :P

Majik1387

12-16-2005, 01:50 PM

David Tennant is a real interesing choice to be added. He did kind of have the Joker vibe in Harry Potter 4. Anyway here's my list for the contenders.

1. Denis Leary
2. David Tennant
3. Crispin Glover
4. Paul Bettany
5. Adrian Brody
6. Sean Penn
7. Lachy Hulme

The Xenos

02-17-2006, 12:27 PM

I dunno, I still like Brodie best. Anyway, I'm a little concered about the look of the Joker. I rather don't like the whole cut open smile idea.

Lemme repost a previous post and my reply. I got a feeling I know where they got the look from.

The Joker as a psychopath who has sliced a smile into his face was shown in some preliminary drawings by an artist for www.batman-on-film.com. (http://www.batman-on-film.com.) I think this would be a good way to go.

Took me a while to find the image you were referring to. Here it is:
http://photos.imageevent.com/batmanonfilm/bofimagesbofimages/bermejo_joker1.jpg

As is, I think it's just a little too gross to do for such a blockbuster film, and it doesn't exactly scream Joker. But if they can use the "sliced smile" idea and make it look more familiar/less disgusting, it might be pretty cool.

bumping this as the villians thread is focusing a bit on Joker too much. Plus I wanted to bump that Bermejo concept art up too.

Also, lemme post a pic to the all too similar Ichi the Killer charcter. I rather don't like the idea for Joker. Though actually, the guy in it did remind me of Joker slightly. Also there was a guy in the Japanese movie Versus who reminded me of Joker too.

http://www.facets.org/Images/ICHI.jpg

-Xenos

Again, the character in Ichi did remind me of Joker and Joker is supposed to be a sick sadistic bastard. Yet I don't see why they would do this to his design. Nicholson and Romero were good. Though I somewhat thought Nicholson came across too much as.. well.. Jack Nicholson. I know they want a new image in the piblic mind. I understand trying to get away with that. Yet why do they have to be so drastic in change.

I think they should keep the design, just do it a bit more subdued. They could go more along the lines of Killing Joke. I think Brian Bolland's art has a decent realism to it.

http://www.dccomics.com/media/products/3442_180x270.jpg
http://www.megacitycomics.co.uk/acatalog/poster_killing_joke_bolland.jpg

Plus with someone with a skinner and younger face like Brodie the characer would look different than Nicholson.

Nothing wrong with having cotumes. That was one of the points they made in the end of the last film. Now the freaks are dressing up for theatrics too. Plus Joker's costume really isn't that unrealistic.

The Xenos

02-17-2006, 12:41 PM

Here's quote with the artist from Batman On Film

"The most interesting thing about the Joker for me was always the mystery that surrounded the character. He is a bit like Hannibal Lector in the sense that it isn't so important in SILENCE OF THE LAMBS to know where he came from. It's what he IS that makes the character amazing. In many respects, The Joker is a serial killer. His profile fits perfectly and I'm really hoping that Nolan and Goyer play him more as such instead of going for the over the top, comedic opportunities they approached the Joker with in the 1989 BATMAN.

Visually, I like the idea of the character being played a lot darker and more disturbing as well. It's difficult to realistically explain why the guy would have a huge grin on his face all the time. This is why I came up with the idea to actually scar his face to mirror the Joker smile. I remember seeing some police photos of the Black Dhalia and being genuinely disturbed by how her face was cut to look like a killer smile. After all, if this character was truly a crazy maniac why wouldn't he do this to himself? Add a little smeared lipstick, white face paint, and purple eye-shadow and you have yourself one demented looking dude. I also gave him some scarring around the eyes to mirror clown makeup a little more. I don't know about you, but clowns have always been a bit scary to me (the John Wayne Gacey angle doesn't help). As far as clothing, maybe push the character a little more in the Tyler Durden direction. Give him a wardrobe that could be a little over the top but not look completely fabricated and silly.

I based this drawing on Lachy Hulme, a front-runner for the Joker right now, but I think it eventually turned out looking a bit more like Vincent Gallo."

No mention of Ichi, but he's basically describing the same character. Self inflicted scars, scars for a smile, a Tyler Durden-esque wardrobe. Though mayve that character was inspired by the same things too. Who knows.. Anyway, while I think it would be neat to see Joker done like that character from Ichi, I would prefer to see a Batman film use a more tradictional looking Joker. Though I'm all for making the character more twisted and serious.. well as serious as Joker can be. He still treats everything as a joke, which makes it all the more disturbing.

Dr. Ray Stantz

02-28-2006, 06:57 PM

Ok...ok...to settle all dispute....I'll be the Joker...... :twisted:

http://img453.imageshack.us/img453/1900/519274181l7hr.jpg

Sonic1002

03-05-2006, 12:36 PM

Not if I beat you to it!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v425/SonicManJosh/Manips/Joker21copy.jpg

Le Pijon

03-05-2006, 11:48 PM

I gotta admit Sonic's got the look. A little Hollywood magic and perfecto!
http://pawsnfriends.com/sonicjoker.jpg

Sonic1002

03-07-2006, 09:48 PM

LOL! Nice man! Nice.

Le Pijon

03-07-2006, 10:18 PM

Thanks, man. What can I say?... I'couldn'ta done it without you! :wink:

imported_marlon

03-21-2006, 10:12 PM

Yeah good casting call there. Do you think Brittany Murphy would do a good HARLEY?

DarrenJSeeley

03-21-2006, 10:28 PM

http://www.comics2film.com/DCG/art/Art19869.jpg

Oh, and you all thought I would not get in on that action, right?

:shock:

http://users.telenet.be/eforum/emoticons4u/violent/sterb184.gif

DarrenJSeeley

04-02-2006, 11:16 PM

On Lachy Hulme's name cropping up again....

I hope this possibility becomes a truth. I really do. The best, true Joker casting has to be an actor who isn't well known, or at the least an actor who is either 'unnamed' at the time of casting or just say role has been cast and pull another Ducard.

denjin

04-03-2006, 02:45 PM

I personally agree that Hulme should be the Joker. bettany is too European and blonde and Brody looks like a Jewish waiter at some Parisian cafe with that ugly looking nose of his. as for the Joker origins, it should be kept in secrect or revealed as some origin mythos a la Kaiser Soze in The Usual suspects where his origin is the stuff of legend.

http://whatisthematrix.warnerbros.com/rv_img/rv_bio_head_hulme.jpg

http://andrejkoymasky.com/liv/fam/bior3/rome3.jpg

Zac

04-03-2006, 03:07 PM

I just fail to see why so many people are so eager to see Lachy Hulme as the Joker.... has anyone even seen him act, aside from his relatively small roles in Matrix (I can't even remember him in those films)? I can see how he KIND of looks Jokerish, but not so much that I think we should only look at his appearance and disregard how good of an actor he may be.

Pod

04-03-2006, 04:06 PM

Wait a minute...He was in the matrix movies?! WTF?! :shock:

Jakerman

04-03-2006, 07:31 PM

He had a small part in the 2nd or 3rd. An unknown (like Hulme) is fine with me as long as he's a good actor and plays the part well. Though I'm still hoping for either Jonny Depp or Paul Bettany.

Pod

04-03-2006, 09:01 PM

Brody!!!!! :D :D :D

Joker for me should be played by Brody for this new franchise. But it might not happen for him.

denjin

04-04-2006, 02:47 PM

Zac, I do see your point about all the fuss over Hulme.But, remember that a small company named 20th Century Fox decided to cast an Aussie who was relatively unknown in the states in a movie called "X-Men", after another Aussie had to drop out due to filming the independent film "Mission Impossible 2" with perrenial Oscar nominee thespian Tom Cruise aka The psychotic half of Tomkat.http://www.poster.net/jackman-hugh/jackman-hugh-photo-hugh-jackman-6202727.jpg "I wonder what theyll think of me acting chops"-Jackman to fellow Aussie Nicole Kidman as told by the Denjin.

Jakerman

04-04-2006, 05:00 PM

Wasn't it Russel Crow who Singer wanted? I'm glad it went to Jackman.

Pod

04-04-2006, 05:32 PM

Wasn't it Russel Crow who Singer wanted? I'm glad it went to Jackman.

Crow doesn't look anything like Wolverine or Joker :lol:

Zac

04-04-2006, 05:42 PM

I see your point with Hugh Jackman, and I'm not saying that I dislike the idea of Hulme, I just don't see why people are generally so bent on him playing Joker. There was a pole in Wizard Magazine recently and Hulme came in 3rd to Bettany and Brody, which, yeah, he still came in 3rd, but for an unknown, that's pretty nuts. I don't recall Jackman having that much support when he was in talks to be Wolvie.

Jakerman

04-04-2006, 05:56 PM

I think it was in a Matrix game Hulme did a voice for in a big role that convinced some people beyond just his looks. But there's more to Joker than talking, Mark Hamill was great in BTAS but he'd be a terrible Joker in a live action movie.

Pod

04-04-2006, 06:05 PM

Mark Hamill was great in BTAS but he'd be a terrible Joker in a live action movie.

:shock: ...I don't think so. The guy can pull off a great Joker! :D Just load him up in make-up!

DarrenJSeeley

04-04-2006, 08:02 PM

Wasn't it Russell Crowe who Singer wanted? I'm glad it went to Jackman.

It actually was Dougray Scott*, who is now on the mid-season TV show Heist...

*If Heist does not return for the fall, I think Dougray should consider throwing his hat into the ring for Joker as well.

denjin

04-06-2006, 11:48 AM

Yes, it was Dougray Scott that was originally cast as Wolverine but had to drop out due to extended filming on Mission Impossible 2, which I'm pretty sure he kickes himself in the ass everytime he looks at himself in the mirror.

Zac, I also saw that Wizard magazine editorial; Bettany was ahead of Hulme and Brody.However,Batman-on-Film.com has Lachy Hulme ahead of both and is the favorite for the guys at that particular website. Take into consideration that Hulme's managment is also the same managment team of Ken Wantanbe, aka Ra's Al Ghul. Also, Warner Bros bank rolled a reported 250 million dollar movie on a real unknown,Brandon Routh, in the most recognizeable super hero off all time in Superman Returns. Hulme deserves his fair shake;a total unknown for the film could work with such a strong cast already in place.

http://media.mnginteractive.com/media/paper210/052503_lachy.jpg

easy D

06-27-2006, 11:35 AM

Got this off IGN...

Robin Williams, Joker?
The actor's thoughts on portraying the famous Batman villian.
by Jeff Otto

June 26, 2006 - News of what's happening with the sequel to Batman Begins has been scant of late. Director Christopher Nolan has been hard at work on his Batman Begins follow-up, The Prestige, which re-teams the director with Christian Bale.

Most believe that the director's next film after Prestige will be a sequel to Batman Begins, likely with The Joker stepping into the villain slot.

Many actors have been rumored to play the part, but fan favorites include Paul Bettany and Adrien Brody. Another actor who has been mentioned in connection with the series since way back during casting for The Riddler in Batman Forever is Robin Williams. Of course it helps that the actor has a connection with Christopher Nolan, having starred for the director in Insomnia.

IGN FilmForce spoke to Williams about the possibility this weekend. He was enthusiastic about the prospect.

"Oh God, I'd love to do that one."

Williams is famous for his Jack Nicholson impression, but he suspects Nolan would be looking for a new take. "Well, you want to do a different Joker. You know, if they do Arkham Asylum, it would be amazing. Arkham Asylum is one of the greatest, nastiest comic books ever. It's truly, it's like the Marquee de Sade on that level, and wonderfully damaged and quite tragic, in terms of when you realize [what happened to] create these characters..."

We asked Williams whether he saw The Joker as more over-the-top or dark.

"You can go both," Williams said. "As in madness, there's a lot of ways to go. I think you can really explore how bright and how nasty-funny he is, just like I guess what Kevin [Spacey] did with Lex Luthor, made him really funny, but yet still damaged... As evil is, accessible and yet still horrific. Jump back and forth all the time. I'm kidding... Kidding!"

On the second kidding, Williams gave me a soft poke in the throat with two fingers. Amusing, but a bit surprising.

"See there it is," says Williams. "I saw your eyes go f**k off!"

Williams is an admitted fan of comics and/or graphic novels. "It's interesting now that they're doing, they all kind of realize, with all the adult comic books or graphic novels for those who are trying to upscale themselves... Is that a comic book? No! It's a graphic novel! Is that porn? No! It's adult entertainment!"

"They're making these really interesting pieces and there's a lot of great, great comic books and graphic novels out there that could make wonderful movies. They're looking for them, and it's great... I read this comic book called DMZ [by Brian Wood], which is about New York after kind of a Civil War. Could it happen? Every time the helicopters fly over my house I'm going, 'Welcome to Baghdad!' But it's kind of fascinating, because they treat it like the country's divided. All these cities like Lebanon and Beirut and Baghdad and military zones of control, yet it's still the village and it's still its own. Fascinating concept. That's what's good about alternative forms of literature or stuff that you read..."

Hmm, interesting choice, but I'd hold out for him to do the Mad Hatter. Been saying that since Batman Forever.

Jakerman

07-03-2006, 07:49 AM

Nice to see he's a fan of the comics but I think he's too old for Joker.

denjin

07-03-2006, 01:39 PM

True dat. I think with the candidates being dabbled out on these forums, the general feeling is that Joker is in his early 30's not 50 with arms hairier than that of a gorilla. Robin Williams as the Madd Hatter is a good idea but i doubt we will see that as long as Nolan is helming Batman.

p.s. Superman, stay the F@#k out of Gotham

Tony D Werewolf

07-04-2006, 06:41 AM

If you want to see what a real world joker could look like, check out Tadanobu Asano as Kakahari in the infamous Takashi miike's live action version of Ichi The Killer...
Specially the scene when he's wearing the purple pants, black shirt, purple coat combo, not to mention when he smokes a cigarette...

The Xenos

07-05-2006, 12:17 AM

YES! I've thought of this a number of times too. If I amy repost a previous post.. again.. for the.. Yeah, I keep talking about Miike's Ichi.

The Joker as a psychopath who has sliced a smile into his face was shown in some preliminary drawings by an artist for www.batman-on-film.com. (http://www.batman-on-film.com.) I think this would be a good way to go.

Took me a while to find the image you were referring to. Here it is:
http://photos.imageevent.com/batmanonfilm/bofimagesbofimages/bermejo_joker1.jpg

As is, I think it's just a little too gross to do for such a blockbuster film, and it doesn't exactly scream Joker. But if they can use the "sliced smile" idea and make it look more familiar/less disgusting, it might be pretty cool.

bumping this as the villians thread is focusing a bit on Joker too much. Plus I wanted to bump that Bermejo concept art up too.

Also, lemme post a pic to the all too similar Ichi the Killer charcter. I rather don't like the idea for Joker. Though actually, the guy in it did remind me of Joker slightly. Also there was a guy in the Japanese movie Versus who reminded me of Joker too.

http://www.facets.org/Images/ICHI.jpg

-Xenos

Again, the character in Ichi did remind me of Joker and Joker is supposed to be a sick sadistic bastard. Yet I don't see why they would do this to his design. Nicholson and Romero were good. Though I somewhat thought Nicholson came across too much as.. well.. Jack Nicholson. I know they want a new image in the piblic mind. I understand trying to get away with that. Yet why do they have to be so drastic in change.

I think they should keep the design, just do it a bit more subdued. They could go more along the lines of Killing Joke. I think Brian Bolland's art has a decent realism to it.

Also, here are some shots of the character in the film. A number of times I was reminded of Joker.

http://www.sancho-asia.com/miike/multimedia/ichi_the_killer_affiche.jpg
http://www.kfccinema.com/features/contests/contests03/Ichi_org.jpg

There was also a character in Ryuhei Kitamura's Vesus that reminded me a bit of Joker.

Sonic1002

07-05-2006, 09:26 PM

I'm a big fan of this idea. It would definately work for a more realistic approach.

Tony D Werewolf

07-07-2006, 07:58 AM

Xenos is right, I should have checked out alot of the earlier stuff...
Maybe the Joker is going to be a member of the League Of Shadows, in which case maybe Asano could get the role, and as much as I want the Joker to be true to the comics, IE: The Rewd Hood, etc; he would be awesome...

The Xenos

07-07-2006, 10:45 AM

I don't want to say I'm against an Asian Joker, but I'm still waiting for a more traditional Joker along the lines of The Killing Joke or even The Laughing Fish. Though Laughing Fish was already perfectly adapted in the animated series, so there's no need for that plot. I'm just pointing out the look of Joker.

Take the Nicholson outfit, make it slightly more realistic, but still reconizable. Nicholson was good, but he was too over the top and maybe channel Caesar Romero too much. Of course, I also argue that he seemed a bit too much like Jack Nicholson. Nevemrind the whole tacked on Jack Napier plot and character made up by producer John Peters so they can make some extra money off royalties of a new name.

Also, I guess I don't know why Asano should be type cast as a smiling homicidal lunitic.

Tony D Werewolf

07-08-2006, 06:02 AM

Yes, I want to see the REAL Joker, too...
Gangly, childish and completly psychotic, but genuinely so, and I want him to be able to take the fight to Batman, too...
I think they could get away with the classic costume , too, maybe for the amusement park finale...
The Red Hood, for me, is a must have, it will be the perfect way to get the idea of a different Joker into people's heads, NO JACK NAPIER!
Did the Joker already had the accident at the end of 'Begins, or was it the calling card of the previous, and probably now dead Red Hood?
I think probably the former, in which case when did Batman foil the robbery, maybe he was still in the ski mask?
But, have a feeling there will be no Red Hood :cry:

Sonic1002

07-09-2006, 04:53 PM

I'm thinking they'll have him start out as a regualr common nut from Arkham who's going around and killing and stealing, but he has a gimmick, calling himself the "red Hood" and he leaves his calling card, the Joker card.
Batman will foil some plot he has at Ace or Axis (whichever one it was) Chemcials... and, well, as they say, "the rest is history"

BTW, for Nolan's purposes and such, i think the Laughing Fish plot would be perfect for the plot of the movie.

The Xenos

07-10-2006, 12:04 AM

That is interesting. I think he should already be Joker in this film. If anything flash back to him as the Red Hood. Batman Begins already undid half of the stupid idea of Jack Napier by having someone else kill his parents like in the comics.

Now let's totally get rid of that idea by making Joker originally the nameless guy who got involved with a bad crowed. He gets conned into donning the Red Hood. He ends up in the tank and goes mad.

The Joker wasn't a bad guy before the accident. Remember that chilling like from Killing Joke? That all it took to create the Joker was "one bad day".

Essex

07-10-2006, 04:28 AM

I don't see why it would necessarily be a good idea to reveal Joker's origin. The Batman comics went years and years without revealing even possible scenarios. Can't he be a complete mystery in his first appearance in this series of movies?

The Xenos

07-10-2006, 11:04 AM

I'm just saying it may be a good idea since Burton's film messed it up. Though we did already clarify that Joker did not kill his parents.

Sonic1002

07-10-2006, 06:24 PM

I agree that they need to get rid of all notions of "jack napier".
I had one idea: He is a failed comedian (like KJ). He wants quick cash, so he starts with the mob (like KJ), but it's under Falcone. One thing leads to another, he gets blamed for a murder and he's one of the three of Falcone's men that are sent to Arkham instead of jail. His sanity goes down the tubes in arkham. After getting out, due to Ra's, he finds his family is either gone/dead. Another thing that sends him over the edge. And, since he's unhinged, he takes the Red Hood guise, with his Joker card thing. Then, the chemical vat accident with Batsy. And now, he's completely over the edge, mad and insane.

^And that's how I'd adapt him to film.

The Xenos

07-11-2006, 10:35 AM

Eh. I think that's too much. His transformation to Joker needs to be more random, like in Killing Joker. He was a decent guy until he got pushed into a bad situation with bad people (they could be Falcone's men if he's still in control). He ended up mutilated due to a random accident, nothing else pushed him to be evil really.

Joker represents chaos and randomness. Batman represents order. His origin should hinge on that. Not that he was a criminal or bad before the accident. Like I said, the great and scary thing about Killing Joke is all it took to create someone like Joker was a random accident and 'one bad day'.