Final Batman Begins Trailer

[yas3r]

Ok, right click and save as...you'll thank me...
http://movies.apple.com/movies/wb/b...s-tlr4a_ifs.mov

Fan-tastic...

[FireStormTrooper]

Is it just me, or is Bruce Wayne not nearly the unrealistic inventor he was in past depictions? In this latest trailer, he basically gets/steals his entire arsenal from Wayne Enterprises's Lucius Fox. Does Lucius know his secret? Can't see how he wouldn't, since Batman is basically that soldier-suit, utility belt and tumbler-vehicle (well, Bruce provides the martial arts and the psychosis) ... I'm not complaining, mind you ... I always thought it was ridiculous how this one guy built a batmobile, invented a supersuit, learned every martial art in the world, bench-pressed a grizzly bear, etc, etc. This sounds more real, but how he keeps his secret from Lucius (if he does) is beyond me.

[Znluvx]

This weekend I went to see KINGDOM OF HEAVEN (very good movie IMO), and as I was standing in line for tickets the BATMAN BEGINS trailer was being played on a loop on a screen in the lobby.
I have to admit, for the first time I got excited about seeing this movie.
The trailer looked great! It captured the serious tone and "new" approach.

[Essex]

Keep in mind that Batman doesn't exactly stop to pose for pictures. Unless somebody actually runs into Batman it's not likely they'd get a good look at his suit or possibly even the car.

However, I do agree it's nice to have an explanation behind the suit, gadgets and car.


Is it just me, or is Bruce Wayne not nearly the unrealistic inventor he was in past depictions? In this latest trailer, he basically gets/steals his entire arsenal from Wayne Enterprises's Lucius Fox. Does Lucius know his secret? Can't see how he wouldn't, since Batman is basically that soldier-suit, utility belt and tumbler-vehicle (well, Bruce provides the martial arts and the psychosis) ... I'm not complaining, mind you ... I always thought it was ridiculous how this one guy built a batmobile, invented a supersuit, learned every martial art in the world, bench-pressed a grizzly bear, etc, etc. This sounds more real, but how he keeps his secret from Lucius (if he does) is beyond me.

[Sonic1002]

SPOILER:


If they keep true to that script, that is EXACTLY how it plays out. He doesn't technically steal the Tech. He tells Lucius that he wants to Tumbler for offroading and the suit for spelunking, sutff like that. He never tells Lucius the truth behind why he wants the gadgets. However, Lucius would have to be a dense blockhead not to see the hmmm... striking resemblance between waynetech crap and Batman's gear.

[Spidey-Dude]

Has anyone seen the 10 minute preview?

They showed with the series finale of Smallville. It has some good stuff in it.

[ToM]

The really stupid thing about all these explanations is that *all* it explains is how Wayne would be caught, prosecuted and sentenced. I mean, it isn't like Fox *alone* worked on any of these projects, or constructed the materials. And all of the parts to make them up would require elements purchased from outside Waynetech. Plenty of other people would not only recornize the gear Batman is using, but also what elements make it up. And such elements would only come from highly specialized labs. It would only be a matter of a few *hours* before police would put those labs together with the *one* facility in town employing *all* the materials.

Look, you can say we have to suspend disbelief, but the reason for going into these details is to make it all seem more *credible.* The *only* way this would be credible is if we're left to wonder what ingenious methods Batman used to gain these toys. In trying to be believable Goyer and Nolan only become more absurd.

Look, the only way Batman racing through the night back and forth to the Batcave and not being discovered worked back in '39 was that no police car could catch him and there were no helicopters for police use (or for media purposes). In Batman Year One, Miller has Batman using all kinds of stealth technology to get around, like hang gliders and such. Now, this is in the film, and it would help Batman go undetected. But there is simply no way something like the tumbler could go concealed.

Right here is the *perfect* excuse for Wayne to detail the tumbler into a genuine Batmobile. He'd have to disguise the look of the thing! If he could place all sorts of coverings on it, needless materials, knowing observers *might* think it something *like* the tumbler, but not be sure that it *was* the tumbler. Oh, but they didn't even go here with this movie.

The bottom line is, after Batman runs that squad car over, the FBI would be in town, and Wayne would be in jail for twenty years before the week was out.

ToM

[imported_Thom]

I'm sure any Wayne Enterprise employees who'd worked on any of the Bat arsenal would've signed a confidentiality agreement before employment. This technology was intended for military use, after all. Anyone to come forward with that juice would be in just as much trouble (financially, and probably criminally) as Bruce himself would be. And Bruce can afford better lawyers.

Besides, this is all stuff that's collected dust for years. At this point in the legacy of Wayne Enterprices, Lucius Fox is more or less the whole of the R&D department.

[ToM]

A contract of confidentiality is void the instant it involves a *crime.* Such contracts are unable to be employed to interfere with the course of any investigation.

Not only that, but these would be *federal* crimes, automatically invoking the FBI. See, Waynetech manufatures and designs weapons and gear for military purposes. Batman is guilty of industrial espionage surely, but also good old fashioned espionage (stealing technology developed for the United States military and intelligence agencies). In cases of espionage the only cover someone has is if anything said in court could compromise national security. Then there's an override. But this was discarded equipment, nothing that could compromise *anything.*

So, in trying to be more credible, they've made it all the more unbelievable.

You're also forgetting *in-company* elements. People working for the company would go to the executives expressing that the work was stolen. And even the executives would be aware of what projects had been greenlit, and that someone was making off with Waynetech equipment. They'd want to plug the leak, because it was industrial espionage, something that can ruin the corporation (other companies stealing and copyrighting their projects in works before they can be finalized).

With the massive capital of Wayne Enterprises to spend, they've launch an investigation with a sticker price of a million dollars overnight. The best investigators and lawyers would be pulled in, an army of each. They'd want to know why Wayne himself would be blocking their efforts, and, in no time at all, he'd be exposed. This-doesn't-work.

ToM

[imported_Thom]

So you'd rather assume he outsources for all his bat-tech under some sort of pseudonym? Avoid the paper trail?

Industrial espionage? Not if Bruce Wayne is in charge of the company, then he's simply using his own product. And if an employee suspects "Batman" of stealing the technology, he/she isn't going to call 911 to report it--more likely, word will travel up the ladder within the company (yes, "in-company" as I believe you said) which will inevitably lead to... Bruce Wayne. He's obviously not going to launch an investigation that would incriminate himself. As for other Waynetech executives... Well, you've gotta know the story. They don't care about R&D, about Waynetech's new technologies--bad business practice, for sure, but that's the case. That's why Lucius is in charge of the department... During Bruce's absence, the company leadership wanted to shut Lucius up, so they stuck him all by himself in a department that had been all but dissolved.

As for government espionage? All of these technologies are ones that the US government turned down. They left the technology to Waynetech, and depending on the military contract, Wayne probably retains the rights of use for the technology.

I'm sure I asked before, ToM, if you'd read the script. I don't believe you answered me. If you have read the script, you shouldn't still be complaining as these ends are tied up pretty well--as well as one could expect of a two hour movie. If you haven't read it, find a copy, or... how can I put this kindly? Shut up and wait. :P