What villians would you like to see?

[Tracer X]

What villian would you like to see make an appearence in the next Spidey flick? I liked the idea of possibly two villians for the movie. Now I know this was done before in the Batman flicks but I had a different idea. Maybe the movie could start out in mid-battle between Spidey and a lesser known villian. Spidey could whip his ass and then we shoot into the rest of the movie which revolves around the main villian. This way the fans who are really into Spidey will get a chance to see guys like Shocker, Scorpion, or Kraven. Obviously none of those guys would get a shot at being the main focus in the movie but it would be cool to see a quick cameo battle. Anyway.... thoughts?

[ali786]

if there weren't movie-right conflicts and stuff I'd wanna see a spidey/DD cross-over with everyone fighting everyone..that'd be money well spent

[sonofconfused]

I'd like to see Dr. Octopus in the film with The Lizard. Played by Robin Williams and Sam Neill, respectively.

[kvdp_blade]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tracer X:
Maybe the movie could start out in mid-battle between Spidey and a lesser known villian. Spidey could whip his ass and then we shoot into the rest of the movie which revolves around the main villian.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That would be a great idea.

[Darth_zaiyen]

I'd kinda like to see Spidey take-on and beat the crap outta Paste-Pot Pete myself for the beginning of a the sequel.

[ivanhoe]

Doc Oc would be the obvious choice but I'd like to see Electro / Scorpion or Vulture myself.

[norrinraad]

Any of the classics (Vulture, Ock, Scorpion, Mysterio, Sandman, Lizard, Electro, Kraven) would suit me just fine. I hope they keep making a new sequel every two years! http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/biggrin.gif

[D.K.HOOD]

Doc Ock will probably show up since Rami has mentioned the name previously in interviews but I would love to see Venom appear instead. He was a great villain when he first appeared in Amazing Spider-Man #300, and I think he would be much more exciting(and original)than Doctor Octopus. Not to say Doc Ock isn't original but compared to Venom he doesn't stand a chance in the originality department.

[ivanhoe]

I did read a few months ago about possibly casting Doc Oc as girl! Then again if they are gonna use artistic license and make The Kingpin "black" in Daredevil i guess the movie guys will do anything whether it seems kosher to us diehard fans or not ! Personally i dont like them getting too far from the original concepts of a comic.

[Frostbite]

How about the Green Goblin?

[mallratX2]

that would be sweet to have the movie start mid-fight, he should be fighting some lesser known villain, i think scorpian or shocker would be best for that, GOOD POST SHOCK!

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[D.K.HOOD]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ivanhoe:
I did read a few months ago about possibly casting Doc Oc as girl! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

There was a female Doctor Octopus and I think she was the daughter of Otto Octavius.

[Darth_zaiyen]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by D.K.HOOD:
There was a female Doctor Octopus and I think she was the daughter of Otto Octavius.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yep, she was a menace to the Scarlet Spider as I recall. Had short purple hair.

[D.K.HOOD]

Ah yes, Scarlet Spider...rest in pieces clone boy.

[zombie_new_wave]

All along I've wanted Kraven. He's darker than most of the other villans and he's obsesed with killing Spiderman. I agree that he should be wailing on a smaller villan in the begining, and if anyone is going to get their asses kicked I'd vote for 1) Tombstone 2) Stix (not Stick from DD) 3) Vulture 4) Madam Web 5) the Shocker...as I see it, the top 5 weekest people in Spider Man

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[kvdp_blade]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by D.K.HOOD:
Doc Ock will probably show up since Rami has mentioned the name previously in interviews but I would love to see Venom appear instead. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Venom would be cool to see but they would most likley change how venom started. They would most likely leave out the hole thing about how spider-man had the Symbiote first because there wouldn't be enough time in the movie. And if they did decide to have venom created the original way it would seem like spidey only had the Symbiote for a little while. So they might have to have him have the Symbiote in the end of one movie and the beginnig of the next to seem longer. Or at the beginning of a new scene have a subtitle saying somthing like one month later or somthing like that.

[norrinraad]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by D.K.HOOD:
There was a female Doctor Octopus and I think she was the daughter of Otto Octavius.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

There was a female Ock but she was the daughter of that weasel Seward Trainer. Carolyn was an associate of Octavius before he was killed (and sebsequently brought back to life).

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by zombie_new_wave:
1) Tombstone 2) Stix (not Stick from DD) 3) Vulture 4) Madam Web 5) the Shocker...as I see it, the top 5 weekest people in Spider Man<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Tombstone became virtually invulnerable as of Web #68, the Vulture always gave Spidey a run for his money and could easily be the main villain, and Madame Web has no physical powers but she is able to read minds and see into the future (to a limited extent). Of your suggestions, I like the Shocker one the best. A recent issue of Ultimate had Spidey beat that universe's version of the Shocker in the first couple of pages. The same thing could work for the movie too.

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[D.K.HOOD]

You know something, The Lizard might be a candidate for the next movie. Dr. Connors' name was mentioned in the first movie so maybe Rami is considering going with that character as a villain. Even though I still want to see Venom, I could live with the Lizard as a main villain in the next movie.

[kvdp_blade]

Yeah I could picture a good CGI Lizard

[The Xenos]

eh.... I prefer a mix of CGI and anamatronics. Call in someone like Stan Winston. For the wider shots and teh action shots, yeah, use CGI. Still, I do not like using all CGI for a character. It has worked, but for every Gollum, you have your Jar Jar. Plus I hate to see great work like Stan Winston's creations or even stuff by Jim Henson be comepletly replaced by CGI.

-Xenos

[The Xenos]

Here's an idea, what if there was a segment of the film which was a collage of scenes of Spidey fighting different villians. Say if you couldn't really fit like Rhino into the story, you could have a short cameo with Spidey just fighting him.

-Xenos

[The Amazing Crappo]

I'm up for having the Lizard as a bad guy in one of the Spidey flicks. Having him make mince meat outta the folks in New York would set up a pretty gruesome story.

Plus, in the third film I think we should see Harry as the Hob Goblin, maybe not as the main villian, but sorta bubbling under. If they could get past the red tape, maybe they could use the Kingpin too...

[BLUE WOLF]

here is my problem, spider-man will undoubtly become a trilogy but here is my problem with that if you have doc oct in the next 1 and venom in the third one then in the end spidey just beats venom and that's it, its almost meaningless here is my version of the next spidey movie villans

amazing spiderman: in this one the main villan is doc oct but we also have a sub story dealing with harry who is now in control of oscorp, and harry hires people to kill spiderman. these can include shocker, rhino, and kraven because they are simple villans that don't need to be explained that much.

spiderman3:Spiderman3 should have Scorpion and harry osbourne as the green goblin II

spiderman4 http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/redface.gifzzy Osbourne as green goblin III this will be the last spidey film because in the end he bites spiderman's head off

[The Amazing Crappo]

I think the next Spidey films should open like Bond movies, with Spidey already engaged in a duel with a bad guy. Not one of the a-list, but someone like Rhino or the Vulture. Save the a-list type guys for the rest of the movie. I think that'd be quite cool

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[norrinraad]

I like that idea. Open each film with Spidey fighting a B lister like the Shocker or the Chameleon before introducing the main villain. I also like the suggestion of Harry assuming the role of the Master Planner and financing threats like the Scorpion and the Spider Slayers to go after Spider-Man; however, I don't want to see any more Goblins in the franchise. Two other things I don't want to see either are clones and symbiotes. I like how the first film felt quaint and old-fashioned, and I think the introduction of Venom or Carnage wouldn't fit into the whole mileu. I still wanna see Doc Ock, Kraven, Vulture, Sandman, Electro, Scorpion, all the classics. If they want to go in a somewhat darker direction, I agree that the Lizard would make a fine choice.

[D.K.HOOD]

Well since they can't use the Kingpin as a crimeboss, and I don't picture Harry Osborn hiring supervillains, I think Silvermane could be introduced as the criminal mastermind. He could hire supervillains to bump off Spider-Man for getting in his way of pursuing the Tablet of Time(they would have to change that name in the movie, its too corny). Like I said, I don't see Harry Osborn hiring a supervillain so what they could do is have him hire Prof Smythe to build Spider-Slayers. I know that in the comics it was J.J.Jameson who hire Smythe but it makes more sense with Harry.

[BLUE WOLF]

I disagree i think spiderman has to stay within the relm of 3 catogories with their villans, strong, mainstream and realistic
Mainstream counts out lesser know characters

realistic counts out vulture,venom, carnage and so on. And i know what you're all thinking all spidey characters are unrealistic. But in the spidey universe presented to us in the movie we accept highten technology and messing around with people's dna. so as mechanical tenticals and man lizards are realistic in the move unives imortals and aliens are not

as for strong characters, the reason electro won't be a good character is because he is not a strong character. However weak characters can be used as minor characters to a degree. Like kraven, rhino, and shocker can be used because their powers are obvious and don't need explanation because they are realistic to the spidey univers, however camelon or sandman are too hard to expain.

As for the lizard, he's good for a comic not for a movie

o and come on the end of spiderman basically said hey u no peter's friend guess what he's going to be evil, y else would we sign himfor the other movies

[Darth_zaiyen]

What if they made Harry the Hobgoblin instead of the 2nd Green Goblin when/if he comes back? He wouldn't have the history and yah blah blah of Hobgoblin, but it would certainly keep the confusion down and we wouldn't have to see 2 GGs in the Spidey movies.

[MayorBigRig]

I think if people accepted Spider-Man, people will accept Lizard or Doc Ock or Venom. Venom, I know, is OUT THERE. But I could see it... I could see it...

Spider-Man made $114 Million in one weekend. That's phe-freaking-nomenal. Spider-Man also cracked $400 Million. Somebody liked it.

People will see the sequels. So long as Kirsten Dunst and Tobey Maguire are doing their cute little teenage romance thing, the idiot class of America will go see it, too.

[D.K.HOOD]

I'm trying to imagine a sequel to Spider-Man with another Goblin and it's giving me a headache. Just because Harry gives his little rant at the end of the first movie doesn't mean he's got to dress up and fly around like the wicked witch on her period.

...At least not until the third movie anyway.

[ModeMan]

So the idiot class in America wants to see a love story while the intelligent class wants to see a college student/photographer swing through the city on spider webs battling a goblin on a hover-board... uh huh.
In contradiction to another post, I think Harry would be great for hiring super-villains to try and off Spiderman. The movie Harry was portrayed differently than the comic one. Movie Harry is cool, collective, yet angry and angst ridden. He said at the end that his goal in life was to kill Spiderman. Harry isn't a soldier, and he's not psychotic like his father. He does, however have a load of new-found wealth and power. While he wont be a crime boss like Kingpin or Silermane, and wont be a wheelchair scientist like Smyth, he will be a pissed off 20 year old with lots and lots of money. He'll hire toughs to do his work. I can totally see that. I don't think he should put on a goblin outfit though. I think he should stay behind the scenes.

Villain I want to see in the next movie would be either Doc Oc for his fame as one of the classics or, sorry, Venom. He was Spiderman's nemesis for the longest time. Everyone loves him. They explained the Symbiot and Venom in an hour and a half with the cartoon series. They could do the same with the movies. The hard part would be introducing Eddy Brock.

[norrinraad]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Darth_zaiyen:
What if they made Harry the Hobgoblin instead of the 2nd Green Goblin when/if he comes back?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That could work if they totally reinvented Harry as Hobgoblin, but with so many wonderful characters to choose from I would prefer to see some others make the cut. One I would love to see is the Jackal. I always thought he'd make a great screen villain, minus all the clone stuff of course! And yes, I can see why they'd want to introduce Venom. It would be a great opportunity to show off some state-of-the-art CGI and to go even more over the top than GG went. I just think if they stayed true to the character it may be a little too intense for kids (we're gonna crack your spine and eat your brains, etc). They would have to tone him down for a PG rating, so it may be best to just leave him out entirely.

[sonofconfused]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ali786:
if there weren't movie-right conflicts and stuff I'd wanna see a spidey/DD cross-over with everyone fighting everyone..that'd be money well spent<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Mark Steven Johnson [director of DareDevil] stated that he would like Kingpin to be the villian for a Spider-Man sequal. Could a Spidey/DD flick be far behind?

BTWFYI. I would love to see a film based on "The Sin Eater" mini-series. The way it was written would transfer easily to the big screen.

[D.K.HOOD]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Darth_zaiyen:
What if they made Harry the Hobgoblin instead of the 2nd Green Goblin when/if he comes back? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That idea is starting to grow on me a little.
Here's the deal with Harry, he's not crazy(yet), nor do we want to see him go crazy and turn into his father. That would be a waist of good film and it would be a very typical sequel by Hollywood standards. I still say he doesn't hire any would be super-criminals. It doesn't make sense if he's not insane. If you thought your father was murdered by someone who you considered to be a villain, why would you hire a villain to kill him? Now, that being said, there's always the age old "put a contract out on him" concept. That could work. No direct connection between Harry and any criminals whatsoever. He just sends some flunky into the criminal underworld to spread the news that Spider-Man has a million dollar price tag on his head. Then, after the villains fail him (you know they will), he decides to take matters into his own hands and becomes Hobgoblin. Too far fetched? Probably. I'm just brain-dumping..er...storming, brainstorming.

[Kwick22a]

They could change things a little and have Harry be the one who creates the Scorpion instead of Jameson. Technically he wouldn't be creating a super villain, from his point of veiw he would be creating a super hero specially designed to take Spiderman down.
Of course Scorpion would eventually turn on Harry and it would be up to Spiderman to save him, and that would just be twisting the knife. The man he believes killed his father saving his life. I don't know about anyone else, but that would bug the hell out of me. And it would push him a little further over the edge, but not all the way.
The final straw for Harry, the one that drives him to take matters into his own hands, should be Harry discovering the truth about Peter. That would definetly push him all the way over, and then he could become the Hobgoblin.

[kvdp_blade]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Darth_zaiyen:
What if they made Harry the Hobgoblin instead of the 2nd Green Goblin when/if he comes back? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I like that Idea. I also like ModeMan's idea of having Harry hiring super vilians to kill Spider-Man. I think that they have potrayed J.Jonha as kinder in the movie so it dosn't seem like he would do such a thing like hire/creating the Scorpion to kill Spider-Man. So we could have Harry hire/creat the Scorpion to kill Spider-Man. I mean he has the money.

[BLUE WOLF]

Now people i have taken stands against lizard in a spiderman movie...but ladies and gentlemen i have figured out a way to bring rhino,shocker,kraven,morbious,lizard,scorpiondoc oct, mysterio, electro, and volture into the movies (altough some wll have small parts, and birdboy and electro will only be mentioned) but pleeeeeeeze people stop saying venom, venom sucks i hate venom. o and my go u people forgot one villan...peter parker!!!!


wouldn't it be hot to see the peter turn into the man-spider in the last movie

[MayorBigRig]

No.

It would not.

[BLUE WOLF]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by kvdp_blade:
I like that Idea. I also like ModeMan's idea of having Harry hiring super vilians to kill Spider-Man.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
exuse me...mode man, no offense to mode man...but i'm the one who came up with the idea for harry hiring villans

[ModeMan]

Hahahahaha

[swingerbone]

Yeah.. you're the first person to come up with Harry hiring villians.... right... sense my sarcasm.

It's only been a common idea since the movie came out and long before really. It's been discussed in the forums at many other places, for instance SuperheroHype.com, for months!

[Soccerdude]

hey,they should make the sinister 6 or somethin like that.....maybe do the doc ock as master planner or something.....

as far as cameos go,you could have pictures that people in the film see online or at the daily bugle with shots of spidey whooping rhino,shocker,or some others.....have it take place in november(AGAIN)and have another parade,except this time you'd have MACY'S DAY PARADE,with a spidey baloon.....

or,if you'd have venom,you could use that guy who walked in as eddie in the cameo in #1,where JJ yells GET OUT,EDDIDE BROCK,or somethin like that......

you'd even(if doing the venom saga,)have a short stint with fantastic 4,cuz spidey goes to them,and jhonny says spidey is amazing bag man.......

oh,by the way,my spidey sense was http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/spideytingle.gif when i wrote all this.

[MALCOLMXERXES]

TRACER X,

I've always had a soft spot for THE SINISTER 6(TM)!

Whenever SPIDER-MAN(TM) must scramble just to stay alive, let alone defeat the enemy, he is @ his best.

...HOwever, I would not want it to be done like 1 of those TB/JS embarrassments that totally destroyed THE BATMAN(TM) mythos & lore by insulting the intelligence of the film audience & disrespecting The Rogues' Gallery!

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[thejokerscard]

The villan I most likely want to see spidey battle next time after Doc ock (since pretty much everyone said to be involved has let the cat out of the bag) I want venom, Spider's most powerful foe. One thrid of the film could be peter finding the symbiote, bonding with it, and keeps it a little while then realizes that its evil and wants to control him, so he lets it go and it ends up with eddie brock (who should make his appearance in the next spiderman film, just to lead the audience into the third) and becomes Venom. For the rest of the movie they clash several times, and spidey defeats him, but barely. The ending of this one will give the crowd a feeling that this wont be the last encounter of these two equally matched foes.

[thejokerscard]

The villan I most likely want to see spidey battle next time after Doc ock (since pretty much everyone said to be involved has let the cat out of the bag) I want venom, Spider's most powerful foe. One thrid of the film could be peter finding the symbiote, bonding with it, and keeps it a little while then realizes that its evil and wants to control him, so he lets it go and it ends up with eddie brock (who should make his appearance in the next spiderman film, just to lead the audience into the third) and becomes Venom. For the rest of the movie they clash several times, and spidey defeats him, but barely. The ending of this one will give the crowd a feeling that this wont be the last encounter of these two equally matched foes.

[thejokerscard]

whoops!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! so sowwy.

[thejokerscard]

the real question though is who should play brock/venom?

my pick would have to be........hmmmmmmmm, now that's a dilly of a pickle.

[Sonic1002]

I'd like to see Carnage, Spidey's most psychotic villian. But the only problem with that is they would have to make Spider-Man rated R for Carnage to be in the movie.
-Sonic1002

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[Soccerdude]

not if they edited the shit out of it,putting the best casrnage on dvd.

[Sonic1002]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Soccerdude:
not if they edited the shit out of it,putting the best casrnage on dvd.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Theediting required to put Carnage in a PG-13 movie would be a LOT. They would lose the true essense of the character.

-Sonic1002

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[ModeMan]

It's PG-13 but also still, kids 3-12 love the Spider-Man movie.
If they put a character like Carnage in one of the sequals people would go nuts since 5 year olds went to and loved Spider-Man and expect to see the next one.
If they put Carnage in all his violent, cerial killing glory on DVD, parents would blow a gasket. As well they should. I'm one of the lame, bleeding hearts who thinks Spider-Man should appeal to a wide, family audience I guess.

[norrinraad]

I definitely agree. Both Carnage and Venom would have to be heavily neutered in order to work in a family context, so I really don't see the point. Stick with the classics, that's my motto. I still want to see Lizard, Electro, Sandman, Doc Ock, Vulture, Scorpion, the Enforcers, etc etc. That would be my fanboy dream.

[TheHeretic]

In my mind the perfect way to do it is for Spidey to barely defeat Doc ock, but his costume is torn to shreds so he finds this experimental substance that Dr Connors and Otto were working on and uses it to form a new black spidey costume. This would help improve the marketing possibilities for Spidey 3 since by then casual fans may be tiring of the same old costume. He could fight The Lizard in 3 and in the end figure out that his costume has been causing him trouble. That leaves part 4 as a fight with Venom, and I would either change the comic continuity and make Harry Osborn Venom, or would try to stretch out the huge climatic battle with Harry as Hobgoblin until a part 5. That would require a miracle in scripting though since thats one heck of a long setup time for their fight.