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The Xenos

05-25-2004, 07:47 PM

Blech. I can do without Reese Witherspoon. Bad enough she took over the Whiteout movie. I know she was good in Pleasentville and even was with Toby there, but I'm sure there is a better pick.

Hey, what aobut Evan Rachel Wood. Though I haven't seen her in much, I think she'd be a good Gwen.

Then again I really doubt Rami has any room for Gwen in his version of Spiderman anyway.

Plus isn't the Lizard basically already cast as they already have Conners in Spidey 2?

-Xenos

brokenstatue2001

05-26-2004, 12:44 AM

Nope, sorry. Your Lizard will not be as you wanted it.
Plus, Viggo Mortenson would be a little too scrawny for Kraven (I think so, at least), I think he should play Namor, though, if that ever sees the light of day. So is Dougray Scott as Scorpion. I always thought Scorpion should be larger. Maybe if Scott would play Max Gargon before he turned into Scorpion and do like prothetics and special effects, yeah, it would work.
Rupert Everett as Electro......no.
Eliza Dushku as Black Cat......yeah, that could work.
Reese Witherspoon as Gwen Stacey.....as long as she gets brutally killed, its fine by me.

bottleHeD

05-26-2004, 01:05 PM

How about Elisha Cuthbert as Gwen? She was in The Girl Next Door...
She's real cute.. could do a Gwen.. Atleast, she's got a heckuva lot more appeal than Kirsten Dunst. So i could see Peter falling for her...

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bottleHeD

05-26-2004, 01:10 PM

And hey, for Kraven, how about that guy who played the baddie in Judge Dredd? Armande Assante, i think his name is...

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05-27-2004, 06:33 AM

I'd have said Kevin Smith (Ares in Xena/Hercules) as Kraven. But he's dead. http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/frown.gif

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MarcoPolo

05-27-2004, 08:14 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by bottleHeD:
And hey, for Kraven, how about that guy who played the baddie in Judge Dredd? Armande Assante, i think his name is...

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No way man! Kraven is supposed to be jack'd. He cannot be played by some little, middle aged guy.
Nuff'said.

MarcoPolo

05-27-2004, 08:21 AM

..He's 54 years old, to be exact. The guy has the right face for the part, but it's waaaaay to late in his career to play Kraven.

kidcomix

05-31-2004, 12:22 AM

Poor Kevin Smith. He would've been a great Kraven. Eliza Cuthbert maybe for the Black Cat part instead. Kirsten Dunst as Mary Jane is sooooooo miscast. I was hoping for Alicia Witt or Nikki Cox to play her. As for the Lizard, I forgot they went with another actor but like in the X movies, recasting could happen. Look at Pyro and Iceman. Any other ideas?

bottleHeD

05-31-2004, 01:35 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by MarcoPolo:
..He's 54 years old, to be exact. The guy has the right face for the part, but it's waaaaay to late in his career to play Kraven.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yeah, that's exactly what i was thinking. Make-up is good enuff for concealing wrinkles, but i dont think it can hide his age..
54, damn, i didnt think he was that old..

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brokenstatue2001

05-31-2004, 01:08 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by kidcomix:
As for the Lizard, I forgot they went with another actor but like in the X movies, recasting could happen. Look at Pyro and Iceman. Any other ideas?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

They got someone else for X2 Pyro.

MarcoPolo

05-31-2004, 03:00 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by bottleHeD:
 Originally posted by MarcoPolo:
..He's 54 years old, to be exact. The guy has the right face for the part, but it's waaaaay to late in his career to play Kraven.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yeah, that's exactly what i was thinking. Make-up is good enuff for concealing wrinkles, but i dont think it can hide his age..
54, damn, i didnt think he was that old..

Speaking of Kraven, check out this photo manip I came across..
http://www.comics2film.com/DCG/DispArt.php3?f_id=15370&f_ssn=&f_fooble=83

This is exactly what I think he should look like. The guy needs to be pumped in order to take on spidey, and the costume is spot on.

MarcoPolo

05-31-2004, 03:15 PM

..Even with the flaming, leopard print pants.

kidcomix

06-02-2004, 03:11 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by MarcoPolo:
 Speaking of Kraven, check out this photo manip I came across..
http://www.comics2film.com/DCG/DispArt.php3?f_id=15370&f_ssn=&f_fooble=83

This is exactly what I think he should look like. The guy needs to be pumped in order to take on spidey, and the costume is spot on.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Is it me or is there something very homoerotic about Kraven?

MarcoPolo

06-02-2004, 03:27 PM

As I said before the guy walks around dressed in leaopard print pants all day. That just ain't right.

norrinraad

06-03-2004, 11:44 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by kidcomix:
Kraven: Viggo Mortgensen<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

This is actually a great casting choice, and one I've thought about before. Mortensen is European, has already played a tracker and a king, and is considerably older than Peter Parker. Let's not forget that in the comics Kraven was thought to be over 100 years old (his jungle potions kept him young) and he came from Russian royalty. I think Mortensen could play this role in his sleep! He will have to bulk up a bit but if Pitt could do it for Troy, I'm sure Mortensen could get bigger too (even if he is much older).

As for his costume, I agree that the leopard leotards would look silly on screen. However, there are many ways to convey a jungle look without resorting to the comics costume. The Ultimate Kraven made this connection effectively, and this is most likely the direction any film version of the character would take.

kidcomix

06-10-2004, 06:05 PM

How about The Rock for Venom and Adrian Brody for Carnage?

deicide

06-10-2004, 07:14 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by kidcomix:
Okay I know this is early but would you cast for villians, characters, etc. for Spiderman 3? Here's my choices.

Gwen Stacey: Reese Witherspoon
Black Cat (Felicia Hardy): Eliza Dushka
Scorpion: Dougray Scott
Lizard: William Hurt
Kraven: Viggo Mortgensen
Elektro: Rupert Everett<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

deicide

06-10-2004, 07:16 PM

brokenstatue2001

06-10-2004, 07:31 PM

Looks like I'll bring this up again........
THE LIZARD HAS ALREADY BEEN CAST!!!!!!

Dylan Baker (Head of State) as Curt Conners. Look it up.

MarcoPolo

06-17-2004, 03:19 PM

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Asiansuperheroes

06-18-2004, 08:07 AM

CAST OF SPIDER-MAN 3
Tobey Maguire-------Peter Parker/Spider-Man
Kristen Dunst-------Mary Jane Watson
Sylvester Stallone--Eddie Brock/Venom
Kevin Bacon---------Cletus Cassidy/Carnage
Rosemary Harris-----May Parker
J K Simmons---------J.Jonah Jameson

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brokenstatue2001

06-20-2004, 12:10 PM

I would like to see Mysterio in Spidey 3. He has always been one of my favorite Spidey villains. Right behind Dr. Octopus, Lizard, and Electro. I think it's sad that they never used his abilities to their full potential. I've always viewed him as kinda like Batman's Scarecrow, both are pretty much masters of illusion. And I think Bruce Campbell would be perfect for him.

Znluvx

03-22-2005, 10:50 AM

Just announced: THOMAS HADEN CHURCH (recently nominated for Sideways) has been cast as the villian in Spiderman3.
Who that villian will be remains "unknown."

Let the speculation begin!

03-22-2005, 12:55 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Znluvx:
Just announced: THOMAS HADEN CHURCH (recently nominated for Sideways) has been cast as the villian in Spiderman3.
Who that villian will be remains "unknown."

Let the speculation begin!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I dunno - which villain does he look like?

I heard that Man Wolf and Venom would be the villains. I might be okay with Venom, but Man Wolf??? He's hardly an iconic or classic Spidey villain. I hope these villains are just rumour.

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DarrenJSeeley

03-22-2005, 04:28 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>"Who that villian will be remains "unknown."
Let the speculation begin!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

While Thomas Hayden Church is hot right now thanks to his Oscar nom in Sideways, the props have long since been overdue. And just think, the actor considered early retirement, thinking despite wonderful comedic performances and dramatic turns, Hollywood gave him a cold shoulder. Now look- Spanglish, Sideways, voice actor in the new 'Charlettes Web' and Spider-Man!

Now that's a career on the upswing. Dry spell is over.

Church, of course, is no stranger to the genre in regards to the Spidey 3 gig, having appeared in "Monkeybone" (Death's assistant) and both "George Of The Jungle" films. He was also a crooked government agent in the TV movie "Mr. Murder", based on the Dean Koontz novel. He also appeared in "Tales From The Crypt : Demon Knight"

So who could Church play? Well, two characters came quickly to mind. I think Church could pass for Alan Smythe, in which case the Spider-Slayers would be involved.

Oh, did I say two?

Let's put it this way: According to the IMDB, Church is 5'10 and Tobey Maguire is 5'7. Church is 14 yrs older.

He just cast Eddie Brock/ Venom, although the Lethal Protector would appear more leaner.

Pod

03-22-2005, 04:29 PM

the last time i saw this guy was george of the jungle..but anyways he doesnt look like he can pull off venom, he's kinda tall for that and idk if he wants to be covered head to toe and not seen much. but from looking over the villians in the comic book of spidey my quess is Electro or Sandman. i really hate this because this might mean that harry doesnt "go bad" and become another gobby. Electro sounds like a cool villian. and Sandman doesnt sound that exciting but might work with the special effects. both characters would look cool with all the lightning like dr.doom or a giant beach load of sand turing into one guy. ehh maybe i'm wrong. we just have to wait and see...looks like theres no black cat either.

DarrenJSeeley

03-22-2005, 04:31 PM

Oh, by the way, if they ever did want Kraven, the actor cast in Spider-man 3 woulda been Javier Bardem.

http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/smile.gif

DarrenJSeeley

03-22-2005, 04:36 PM

I thought about Sandman- the character does fit the critera (bad guys whose faces we can see) but I'll stick to my guns on this.

Venom or Smythe.

If it is the latter- Harry can *still* go sort of bad, as Smythe could rival what's left of Oscorp in a takeover.

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Majik1387

03-22-2005, 05:30 PM

I think the original cast should stay for the third one but for new characters to come in any other sequels I would pick:

Gwen Stacy-Kaley Cuoco, Jaime King, Scarlet Johansson, or Amy Smart
Electro-David Gallagher or Eric Winter, or Shane West
Sandman-Ray Liotta
Black Cat-Eliza Dusku, Sarah Michelle Gellar, Elisha Cuthbert, or Mia Kirshner

As for Thomas Haden Church, he looks like he could play either Scorpion or Sandman.

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norrinraad

03-22-2005, 08:32 PM

If they shaved Thomas Haden Church's head I think he'd be perfect as The Vulture.

Zac

03-22-2005, 11:11 PM

I'm really confused as to who Church could be playing. Too... wrong for Venom, wouldn't make sense to be Carnage, Sandman is too unknown........ I would say Electro is the most likely, but given Dr. Doom's electrical powers in the new FF movie, I'd say they'd avoid him.... oh boy, this is a toughie.

Znluvx

03-23-2005, 06:49 AM

I too think THC isn't Eddie Brock/Vemon. Who then?
I suggest the SCORPION.

QuantumFX

03-23-2005, 11:55 AM

Here's who I'd like to see Church play:
Scorpion: There's already justification for the technology in the goblin formula and Ock's tentacle tech.
Hobgoblin: Church could play a "Ned" character again!! Woo Woo!
Personally, I believe it's going to be Venom. (Note: Venom is not on my wish list.)

Also, I just read on Yahoo (http://movies.yahoo.com/mv/news/eo/20050322/111154452000.html) that Chloe Sevigny is claiming to be up for the role of a blonde, buxom villianess. (Black Cat?)

03-23-2005, 12:13 PM

I thought Sam Raimi doesn't like Venom, and would prefer to go with characters without their face covered. That's what he explained was the great advantage Doc Ock had over the Goblin. Also, because the Ock type limbs had never been seen on film before, it was something novel and could excite audiences. Venom, on the other hand, is like a cross between Spidey and Alien, both of whom we have seen.

Now Sandman type special effects we haven't seen too much. I'd like to see him, although Hydro Man could be an alternative. While it could be argued that Sandman isn't well known enough, well he's certainly more known than Man Wolf, who doesn't exactly come to mind if one were to name some Spider-Man villains. James Cameron even had Sandman in his script along with Electro, when he was on the project.

To those non-comic fans, Venom could seem like the standard device used in films and tv series where, for budgetary reasons (and perhaps lack of inspiration) they simply use an "evil" version of the hero so they can use the same special effects and technology twice, instead of having a villain completely different in powers to the hero. That's partly what Superman 2 and Superman 4 conveys, even though 2 is much better than 4's Nuclear Man. Venom could end up being seen in that light.

The news from joblo.com seems to suggest however that it is Venom who Church will be playing. At least if it's Venom though, I don't want to see Man Wolf at all - I'd way prefer the Lizard, which would continue the plotline started in Spidey 2.

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Zac

03-23-2005, 02:28 PM

I am willing to bet that Man-Wolf will NOT be in the movie, I don't see why people are so quick to believe this rumor. For one, Man-Wolf is waaaaay too unknown. Just because John Jameson was in #2 doesn't mean that he'll be the villian he became in the comics. Same goes for Dr. Conners/Lizard for the most part. If people are so easy to think Man-Wolf will be in it just because of John Jameson, then what about the spider-slayer or whatever that J. Jonah was? Or that guy that Dr. Strom became in the comics? And didn't Flash Thompson become a villian at one point?

Also you have to realize that werewolves are being run into the ground by hollywood, I doubt Raimi would want Spider-Man to jump on that bandwagon.

Then, keep in mind the effects. Wolf-Man would have to be mostly CGI I'd say, and for such a petty character it seems like a waste of money. Plus, if Venom is going to be the other villian that will be a TON of special effects they'll have to do.

So I think it's a safe bet that Man-Wolf will NOT be in #3. Right now I'd say it's most likely going to be either Venom or Electro or Sandman - and Harry as either Green Goblin 2 or Hobgoblin - and Felicia Hardy as a small-time cat-burglar, but not the Black Cat we're used to.

DarrenJSeeley

03-23-2005, 03:15 PM

On the CP board somewhere, but not this thread, I gave a plausible explanation why Man-Wolf would appear in #3 alongside Venom- but not as a 'co-villian'. He would fight not Spidey specifically, but the symbiont attatched to Spidey. Symbiont leaves, attaches itself to Brock, Man-Wolf/Jameson gets injured somehow and it is up to Peter to stop Venom.

"Special effects creator Tim Phoenix, He's under contract not to talk much about Spider-Man 3, but Phoenix did say that the crew is in the conceptual design process for the villains, who are Man-Wolf and Venom.

Y'know what? Venom could be a little leaner, looking a little bit like say, The Sayten creature from this scifi flop with Rutger Hauer from 91 called 'Split Second' if anyone remembers that film.

But then....AICN says Church is Sandman!

While I still think Church would make a better Smythe, I'm starting to lean in the Sandman direction. I'm just thinking for the moment, you know, nifty sand effects.

Majik1387

03-23-2005, 03:19 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by QuantumFX:
Also, I just read on Yahoo (http://movies.yahoo.com/mv/news/eo/20050322/111154452000.html) that Chloe Sevigny is claiming to be up for the role of a blonde, buxom villianess. (Black Cat?)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I hope to god that she doesn't get the role due to her minorly believability in her acting skills, while there are so many better actresses.

yas3r

03-23-2005, 03:25 PM

Electro -
THC played 'the great strobe' in 'the specials'- a character who could shoot beams from his hands. Probably not.

Kraven -
Not a character who'd fit into this series of films. Lacks a real 3d human element that would allow him to interact with parker. THC doesnt fit him at all either. Almost all these points can also be placed on Vulture.

Scorpion -
on screen, his powers will look like a poor mans doc ock, essentially showing the same prowess but with just the ONE appendage.

Venom -
there is a lot of fan pressure. I think THC COULD pull it off, but i dont think he SHOULD. They wont be able to have spidey in the symbiote suit, build up eddie brock, have venoms origin, juggle the romance between PP and MJ, etc.

Its a two film arc for the venom story...who can resist the cliffhanger with the symbiote suit, having been discarded by spidey, starts flowing towards an unsuspecting Brock?

Raimi is NOT a venom fan, and has stated that he would not allow him to be a main villain in these films.

Sandman -
Very likely, he's Maguires and one of Raimi's favourite villains and THC certainly looks the part. I am not convinced he could be the MAIN villan though.

Morbius, Man Wolf -
require supernatural powers and not something that can be boiled easily into a sci-fi accident (as occurs with all villains/heroes in these movies).

So, by process of elimination/deduction/reasoning...

I'd say theyve just cast either Venom or Sandman. Which is fortunate, as THC can pull off both. And they would both look equally impressive onscreen.But he most likely wont have the MAIN villain role.

Something to think about-who could work with him?

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Pod

03-24-2005, 05:01 PM

well from some news ( http://chud.com/news/2026 )it seems the sandman is gettin his spotlight from the hint " I would think that Church might be getting some sand in his shoes." in the article. but from reading the first appearence of that character it seems that he just popped up and did stuff. but still would be cool...

theguilty1

03-28-2005, 10:09 PM

so, i've pretty much given into the fact that sandman will be the villain in spidey 3. i've been rooting for venom since i heard they were making the first movie, but i have known that it would take a lot for venom to ever be in a spidey movie. but, in my humble opinion, if you don't use venom in the third movie, he shouldn't ever be used, and heres why. i believe they are saving venom, but not for the right reasons. most of the actors from the spidey movies have said they don't think everyone will be back after the third movie is made. sam raimi has said he will stay on and make as many spidey movies as they'll allow, but who really knows. we're talking about a franchise here, and we're talking more than three movies. i believe i've read they would like to make six spidey movies. very few franchises have survived, quality-wise, after the third movie. i think the same will happen to spidey, eventually, even if sam raimi stays on. and when it does, here comes venom. venom will be the saving grace for the franchise. just when they start to slip, they'll reveal venom as the villain, and say, "here you go, this is what you've wanted and begged for, so give us your money." now, i know there are plenty of people who don't ever want to see venom in a spidey movie, and even though i want to see him more than any other villain, i myself can list off the reasons not to use him. but i think the pros outweigh the cons. and i'll give credit to raimi for not giving into the pressure of the fans. i'm sure sandman will work great. but now that we're on the third movie, and the villain isn't venom, i think we should all stop asking for him, because now venom in a spidey movie would be pointless.

Bigkid

03-29-2005, 07:56 AM

I'm sort of surprised that they chose Hayden Church, actually. I thought they would've gone for someone more menacing looking, such as...... hmmmmm........ of all the time's to start drawing a BLANK. I thought I had this thought out! Apparently, I didn't! In any event, the bottom line is? I like the choice of SANDMAN to be the next Spidey film villain. Although I was a little surprised, considering that they sort of set it up at the end for The Lizard to be the next villain. Maybe they'll be featuring THE BOTH of them?? You never KNOOOOWWWW!! Let's just wait and see!!

FireStormTrooper

03-29-2005, 09:20 AM

You're right about it looking like the Lizard's story was being set up in SM2 with the introduction of Dr. Connors. But the good doctor does play a role as something other than a nemesis in Peter's life, pretty much a role model for the scientist within Pete. So I expect we'll definitely see more of Curt Connors, Ph.D. in SM3 ... whether or not he actually becomes the Lizard is less likely because you already have Harry Osborn and The Sandman involved.

The Freak

03-29-2005, 03:31 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by theguilty1:
so, i've pretty much given into the fact that sandman will be the villain in spidey 3. i've been rooting for venom since i heard they were making the first movie, but i have known that it would take a lot for venom to ever be in a spidey movie. but, in my humble opinion, if you don't use venom in the third movie, he shouldn't ever be used, and heres why. i believe they are saving venom, but not for the right reasons. most of the actors from the spidey movies have said they don't think everyone will be back after the third movie is made. sam raimi has said he will stay on and make as many spidey movies as they'll allow, but who really knows. we're talking about a franchise here, and we're talking more than three movies. i believe i've read they would like to make six spidey movies. very few franchises have survived, quality-wise, after the third movie. i think the same will happen to spidey, eventually, even if sam raimi stays on. and when it does, here comes venom. venom will be the saving grace for the franchise. just when they start to slip, they'll reveal venom as the villain, and say, "here you go, this is what you've wanted and begged for, so give us your money." now, i know there are plenty of people who don't ever want to see venom in a spidey movie, and even though i want to see him more than any other villain, i myself can list off the reasons not to use him. but i think the pros outweigh the cons. and i'll give credit to raimi for not giving into the pressure of the fans. i'm sure sandman will work great. but now that we're on the third movie, and the villain isn't venom, i think we should all stop asking for him, because now venom in a spidey movie would be pointless. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Dude I am a huge fan of Venom. I want to see justice done to his charcater so I'll have to disagree with you. Like I said before, no way do I want to see the whole of the Venom Saga in one film. The result would be ironically the one you don't want, as SM3 would surely be crucified for its water down version of Venom.

They would have to make Jonah Jamesons son Venom and forget about Eddie Brock. They could also not have Spidey occupy the symbiote first either. To bring Venom directly into SM3 and not play it out is suicide for the franchise.

theguilty1

03-29-2005, 03:56 PM

i totally agree that they shouldn't have venom just for the sake of having venom. that wouldn't make a good movie. but i feel that bringing in venom after sm3 will make it seem cheap. basically, it's gonna seem like they're saying, "here's a character that we didn't want to use with the original actors and director, but now that they're all gone, here you go. you know what i mean? it's like venom isn't a good enough character for them. sam raimi doesn't like venom because he said it's a boring character. honestly, if willam dafoe hadn't played green goblin in the first movie, it would have been a boring character. he has said having a villain who is like spidey wouldn't make any sense, but doc ock, who is more like spidey than goblin, was also 20 times better as a villain than goblin. i just think saving venom for when everyone from the first 3 films is gone makes venom seem like a cheap character. and personally, on a side note, i think raimi should be smacked around for greenlighting an evil dead remake.

The Freak

03-29-2005, 04:04 PM

I don't get Raimi's opinion on Venom. How could a villain who is Spideys equal in power(probably better, Spidey only beat him because he used his wits) in perhaps every single way be boring??

I've never understood why people hate Venom. I am not impressed by Sandman, one of the weaker choices out of numerous villains. He could of used Venom and Carnage. He could of used Kraven and the Lizard. He could of used the Vulture and Shocker. He could of used Harry Osbourne. But no, he picks........Sandman.

FireStormTrooper

03-29-2005, 04:50 PM

I sorta see where Raimi is coming from on this. There's so much more pressure to do Venom right, whereas who really cares about what liberties you take with the Sandman? Although, the way things were left at the end of SM2, I was convinced we were going to see Harry Osborn use Curt Connors as a guinea pig by offering him the use of his arm again ... turning him into the Lizard while Harry becomes the HobGoblin.

So now I have to think that Raimi will use SM3 to showcase Curt Connors good and sympathetic side (maybe show him losing his arm). Even if another actor portrays the character down the road, his eventual transformation into the Lizard will have a much more meaningful effect if the character is given screentime over a couple of movies.

Sandman is an interesting choice. The character can go toe-to-toe with the Hulk in terms of brawling. He has a redemptive side, which is probably what attracted Raimi to the character (look at Doc Ock and even Green Goblin). Yes, I would have much rather seen Venom, but then Raimi should have introduced Eddie Brock in SM1 and had Parker and Brock interact in SM2, not to mention somehow run through the alien symbiote storyline all the while dealing with Harry Osborn. It would have been too much.

Save Venom for the next trilogy.

03-29-2005, 05:00 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by FireStormTrooper:
So now I have to think that Raimi will use SM3 to showcase Curt Connors good and sympathetic side (maybe show him losing his arm). <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

What, so he'll have lost 2 arms? He already was missing one in SM2.

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Pod

03-29-2005, 09:02 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Welshcat:
 What, so he'll have lost 2 arms? He already was missing one in SM2.

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funny, i think he meant a flashback to the history of him losin his arm. how does he lose his arm...? i gatta check that out.

theguilty1

03-29-2005, 11:18 PM

you know, as much as i've complained that venom won't be in spidey 3, at least raimi hasn't mentioned ben reilly.

03-30-2005, 12:46 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by bearpod91:

funny, i think he meant a flashback to the history of him losin his arm. how does he lose his arm...? i gatta check that out.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You know, I'm not sure it's all that important HOW he lost his arm - maybe he was just a war veteran or something? Or it was eaten by an alligator? The real story of Dr Connors starts with him experimenting with lizard regeneration. It would be perfectly fine to continue with him from where he left off in Spidey 2 without going into too much back story.

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FireStormTrooper

03-30-2005, 01:03 PM

I don't know why Raimi is suddenly going for the two-villian-a-film approach, when the solitary one worked so well the last two films. This kinda smacks of BATMAN FOREVER when they changed the formula for that frnachise. I'm not anticipating a drop-off in story quality because of this, but if SM2 did in fact set up Harry Osborn to become a Goblin of any sort (Green II or Hob), then isn't that enough? But maybe, Harry just stays Harry and merely employs the Sandman, who may be the one and only super-villian of this pic. Sandman is certainly more creative in terms of how he can use powers than either GG or Doc Ock, so who knows?

The Freak

03-30-2005, 01:13 PM

The 2 Villains a film can work if done right. Like Kraven and the Lizard or Venom and Carnage.

[This message has been edited by The Freak (edited 03-30-2005).]

yas3r

03-30-2005, 01:51 PM

Haden Church is a good choice for Sandman, a character I'm not too fond of either, but I am a fan of Church, Raimi and this series of movies.

I'd be surprised if he was the only villain though....

not that it'll be a problem..

Oh and Batman Forever wasnt the template - werent there two villains in Batman Returns..oh wait, three if you include Max Shreck.

And theres Ra's, Ra's, Falcone and Scarecrow in Batman Begins.

Venom isnt a crap character, but he wouldnt fit into these films, there are already too many story elements that need tying up. He simply wouldnt get the development he requires.
Alien discovery, symbiote suit, Parkers own battle with the suit, Eddie Brock, then Venom...too much to fit in with Harrys dilemma (which has reached boiling point), MJ (LOVE the very last shot of S2) and his relationship with May.

theguilty1

03-30-2005, 02:46 PM

if raimi were to do venom, i don't think he'd give spidey the symbiote at all. i think it would go directly to brock, or jameson. it's kind of along the same lines of why harry should turn into hobgoblin, and not green goblin II. i don't think spidey needs to wear the symbiote to set up for venom, although that would be the ideal situation. if we would have seen jameson return from space, and saw a puddle of black stuff in sm2, i don't think it would have been too hard to make venom in sm3, and make it work really well. now, having said that, i personally believe that if venom is used, it should be set up in sm3, and not brought in until at least the fifth movie, and maybe not until the sixth movie, if we'd all have the patience to wait that long. but raimi has done an awesome job of building up harry osborn, and i never once felt during sm2 that the whole harry thing was being drawn out too long. i left the theater pretty much knowing that he wouldn't be the villain in sm3, and hoping that they would keep building him up in spidey 3, and then just massively unleash him in 4.

Znluvx

03-31-2005, 04:31 PM

I'm going to just throw this out there and see how it sticks.

Maybe part of the reason Sandman seems to have gotten the nod over Vemon is Sandman will be more dynamic on the screen.

Let me explain...

Green Goblin in SM1 was an obvious choice, but on the screen he didn't come across in a spectacular fashion due to the level of cg tech at the time and it being "uncharted" waters.
Dr.Ock was a massive step up. The action sequences were wildly dizzying because the CG had jump to such a level, and they now had a knowledge base to build from.
In the intervening years the CG tech will be so more advance that all the sand and fluid dynamics (I hear that it is fire and fluids that give animators the biggest headaches) in SM3 will be truly staggering.

(just close your eyes and envision all the possibilities of sand that will move like water, take shape, and harden like rock)

Visually, Sandman will be an big
step up from Dr.Ock.
Vemom would just be a digital copy of Spidey.

Just my humble opinion.

theguilty1

03-31-2005, 06:54 PM

if they were to do venom, i'd want to see the version of venom that's been in the latest venom comic. more of the symbiote than the man. it wouldn't be too much like spider-man, but enough to make it interesting. the "hunger" storyline from spectacular spider-man would be the way to go. it's not so much "spidey vs. venom" as it is why the symbiote wants spidey. that's personally were i'd go.

05-19-2005, 06:43 PM

So Topher Grace has now been cast in Spidey 3. I wonder who he will play? Will he be a villain or a supporting character from Spidey's cast? Who could that be?

Let the speculation begin.

easy D

05-19-2005, 10:27 PM

So Topher Grace has now been cast in Spidey 3. I wonder who he will play? Will he be a villain or a supporting character from Spidey's cast? Who could that be?

Let the speculation begin.

I'm guessing a supporting character. I don't think I can think of a character who looks more dorky than Peter Parker.

And as far as the number of villains, well, Spidey has fought six super villains at a time. So maybe 2 or 3 isn't out of the question.

Zac

05-19-2005, 11:04 PM

What's weird about this Topher Grace casting is that when rumors were afloat that Maguire couldn't be in Spidey 2, I first thought of Grace replacing him, due to his resemblence to Tobey Maguire (in my opinion, at least). I wonder if that will have anything to do with his casting? Not likely I suppose, given that they're both well known, if the PTB were looking for someone that resembles Tobey, they would most likely go for an unknown.

05-20-2005, 08:03 AM

imported_Thom

05-20-2005, 02:20 PM

Might they be recasting John Jameson? Topher Grace looks a lot like the guy from Spidey 2. Would that mean... Man-Wolf or whatever? Or would it mean John has a bigger part because he brings the *dun-dun-duhhh* symbiote to earth?

norrinraad

05-20-2005, 02:41 PM

Hmm, there seems to be speculation that Grace may be playing Eddie Brock (we all knew Venom was an inevitability after all). The general consensus seems to be that it's a ridiculous piece of casting but I personally like it. In Ultimate continuity (which the films seem to be more closely following) Eddie Brock was only a few years older than Peter anyway so having the younger looking Grace is not as odd as it seems. Also, the guy is so similar to Tobey physically (at least in the most obvious ways) that it makes sense for him to play Venom, who has always been the twisted flip side to Peter's hero. I personally like it when actors play against type and this could be Topher's chance to show what he's really capable of.

Having said all that, if he is to be Venom I don't want to see him get into "I wanna suck your brains" mode until the fouth film. If Sandman is really in #3 it will be too much with that and the Harry revenge subplot. I would rather see Brock introduced in the third film, which could hint at the catalyst that prompts him to hate Peter. Although I've grown to hate Venom in the comics this is a chance to do him some justice in #4. Too many villains will kill #3 and Venom deserves his own narrative so the symbiotic relationship between him and Peter can really be explored.

Oldsoul3300

05-20-2005, 04:50 PM

--I too, thought that Grace would be a good replacement for Maguire should the series continue without him.
This is just weird news.
I avoided earlier rumors about Venom because I never really wanted to see him in a Spider-Man film, but after hearing Thomas Haden Church amd Topher Grace mentioned together in that Press Release, I have to say the first thing that came to my mind was Venom (Church) and Carnage (Grace), just from their physiques, personalities, and how they contrast.
I'm not saying I want that to happen (becausae I don't), but that's what I thought when I first heard the news about Grace.

Majik1387

05-20-2005, 09:51 PM

Hmm, there seems to be speculation that Grace may be playing Eddie Brock (we all knew Venom was an inevitability after all).

Where is this speculation?

D.K.HOOD

05-20-2005, 11:21 PM

Topher might be cast as Ned Leeds, Peter's rival photographer, future husband of Betty Brant and originally exposed to be the Hobgoblin. Or maybe he could be Betty Brant's brother. She blamed Spider-Man for his death, but that's all I know about that character.

easy D

05-21-2005, 12:45 AM

All this talk of Venom being the next villain really has me hoping it's only a rumor. Seriously, I've never been a big fan of his. And I'm hoping that Sandman does get the part as the next Spidey villain. For me Venom isn't really not that interesting as a character. Of course I've always thought that Lizard is hugely under rated as a villain. But now I think of it, it does seem like Lizard is mentioned in both the Spidey films, maybe there would be a huge showdown between him and Lizard. Maybe Sam has something amazing in store for the Lizard. Remeber that in Spider-Man he fired Peter for always being late, and in Spider-Man 2 we actually got to meet him. Maybe the next film would continue the evolution, and Dr. Conners will finally become the Lizard.
Also, if Harry does become a goblin, I'm hoping that he becomes the Green Goblin, not Hobgoblin. It doesn't make sense to me. Harry was always hoping to follow in his father's footsteps in the first film, so why would he go ahead and paint the costume from green to orange, but still live on the goblin heritage? I think there would be a deeper impact if Harry takes up the Green Goblin instead of ol' Hobby.

norrinraad

05-21-2005, 02:44 PM

Hmm, there seems to be speculation that Grace may be playing Eddie Brock (we all knew Venom was an inevitability after all).

Where is this speculation?

If I told you, I'd have to kill you...

DarrenJSeeley

06-01-2005, 04:32 PM

And theres Ra's, Ra's, Falcone and Scarecrow in Batman Begins.

And a cameo from Zasz...

Anyte

06-04-2005, 05:21 PM

The thing I keep coming back to is casting for Black Cat. I think the character is a real possibility for the third movie, in light of Chloe Sevigny's comment about a 'buxom blond' and the the franchise possibilities. I think if they want to go beyond 3 movies, they aren't going to let Peter and MJ have any kind of romantic happiness in Spider-Man 3. They've already had her boyfriends come between them, it's time for him to get another love interest. Black Cat's presence in the Spider-Man 2 game bodes well for her. Commentary on the DVDs also mentions that the MJ we see in the movies is an amalgamation of Gwen and MJ from the comics, she's much less of a fun-loving party girl. Another reason "Party" Hardy would be a great addition to the films.

So casting... as much as I like Eliza Dushku as an actress, I think she'd look terrible with light hair. I wonder how Holly Fields would look with platinum hair. She's right around the same age as Tobey and I think she's got the face and (unlike most Hollywood actresses) the figure for it. It'll never happen (they hate casting relative unknowns) but I can dream. My best reason for backing such an unlikely candidate? She voiced Black Cat in the Spider-Man 2 game.

shaneomac

06-14-2005, 12:51 PM

a full-blown, blood-thristy venom in SM3 is, in my mind, out of the question. first of all, they have no one to play the part of eddie brock. i know you guys think topher grace can play him, but i don't think he has enough resemblance in appearance and in character. secondly, the origin of venom is way to complex for one film. there isn't even evidence that jameson will go up to space. thirdly, sam raimi is not a fan of venom's at all. some advice to people sitting madly in a corner waiting for venom to appear on the screen: enjoy sandman in SM3 and wait patiently. you will see venom. just not right now.