UIR 6/5/03

[D.K.HOOD]

Well, here's a very brief UIR from me to get the ball rolling.


<B> ArchAngel Michael, Alpha/Omega
by AngelArchiver </B>
I really wish this picture was bigger. Looks good from what I can see.

<B> The Icy Hand of Death
by Welshcat </B>
Man, you are the definitive Iron Man artist in my book. ‘Nuff said

<B> Genre Wars
by Martzgar </B>
Very good drawing. I think the coloring could be better though. What are you using to color your pictures?

[Martzgar]

Firstly, thanks for the complement! I use Corel 7 in photo paint. The actual image before it is devoured down to meet the kb requirements of this site are (in my opinion) fairly dynamic. I seem to lose so much in the compressing process. I guess I still just lack the finese of Bit reducing as of yet, but no frets... I;ll work out out the cogs. Mart-Z-gar

[StrangeFish]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Martzgar:
... I use Corel 7 in photo paint. ... I seem to lose so much in the compressing process. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Gragh. I'd give you a quick tutorial on how to save images in Corel Photopaint, but it keeps crashing on me for some horrible reason. I think it hates me today. http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/frown.gif I'll try again later.

BTW, really gorgeous update today. I'll try to UIR later.

[cody]

any suggestions on my pic.

[StrangeFish]

Pre-supper UIR. Be warned, I may be grouchy...

~~ Batman: Year One ~~
The different elements aren't really blending together here. If you moved the different headshots around, you could come up with a pretty good movie poster layout. Also, the text is too large, and too plain. It's stealing attention away from the rest of the image. Also, watch how painty the recoloured hair goes. Dark hair is a nightmare to get lighter. Maybe frankenstein some blonde hair from someone else?

~~ X3: Scarlet Witch ~~
Wow, that looks pretty good. Her face just looks a little too smoothed out. Her nose, especially has lost a lot of detail. I love what you did with her outfit, though. She looks believable. And the powers look great, too. Good work.

~~ The Last Son of Krypton ~~
Pretty cool, but the glow combined with the pencil and that grey background makes it hard to see what the sketch looks like. Maybe darken up the pencils a bit? Nice work on the hands. I can't draw hands. &gt;_&lt;

~~ Kitty Pryde ~~
Hmmm, I'm not really sure what you did to the picture. Did you recolour Judd's outfit? Or did you frankenstein it from somewhere? Either way, the colours look good with the background. Though I think you should have moved the comic book image a bit more in the background. With it over-lapping her like that, it becomes the most important element in the image. You did a really neat job of cutting away the original background.

~~ Angela 2 ~~
Good job on her face. She looks positively demonic! I swear she's giving me the evil eye! :P I wish you'd finish this up a bit more. I'd love to see her head gear finished. That arm looks a bit awkward, though. I'm not sure why. And the thumb is missing. Please finish this image! *makes puppy dog eyes*

~~ Strom Grown ~~
See my UIR yesterday about shading black. In fact, most of the comments I made yesterday apply to this image, too. And I don't think she looks suitably pissed off. She looks more like Halle Berry pouting prettily.

~~ Mr. Miracle ~~
Pretty cool, but it looks really messy for some reason. I think it's the patches of colour leaking from the costume into the background. I'm not sure if the character is supposed to do that or not. Also, the busy background is distracting. Still, I really like the painted effect you got. Maybe try adding in some wrinkles and folds, and maybe a few edges, like at the end of the gloves, and around the eyes where the mask ends.

~~ ArchAngel Michael, Alpha/Omega ~~
He's a hunk and has a flaming sword... What more could I ask for! http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/biggrin.gif Again, a lot of gorgeous motion. I just wish it were a little bit bigger, so I could use it for a desktop.

~~ The Fantastic Four ~~
Pretty cool layout, but watch the proportions. The people seem a little mismatched in size. I really like the before and after shots.

~~ Susan Ward as Wonder Woman ~~
Nice choice of base pic. The suit is a little too bright, still. Try dropping the saturation on that layer. Also, you need to shade the metal. The gradient on the metal parts looks good, but they don't match the shadows on the base image. For example, the lighting on the tiara looks even, but the model's head has shadows. And those shadows should fall on the tiara in the same places.

~~ Teen Polaris ~~
Oooh, glowy eyes! The recolour is really neat and tidy, but I'd love to see some costuming elements. Like maybe an X-logo on the rings.

~~ Rogue 04 ~~
Wow, that looks awesome!

Rest of UIR in a bit

[StrangeFish]

~~ Rogue 04 ~~
Wow, that looks awesome! The suit is just perfect. It looks like she's really wearing it, and that it fits to her body. The wrinkles look great, and the colours are lovely. Now the bad stuffs... The belt looks really flat. It needs a bit of shadow where it curves towards her back, and there should be a shadow cast on the body where it falls. The gloved hand looks faintly radioactive, and the jacket is messy. I think you'd do a lot better if you frankenstein in a jacket from somewhere. The white streak in the hair is a great colour, but you've lost a lot of definition and it looks really painty. Still your work looks awesome, and I can't wait for you to submit more. http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/biggrin.gif

~~ gambit and beast ~~
Good base pic! It adds a lot to the image. I think you did a really great job on the fur. It's got a great texture. Don't be afraid to tease it out a bit more. The outline is pretty solid, whereas I'd expect hair to stick out in places. I love what you did with his face. His eyes and mouth look awesome. Good job on Gambit, too.

~~ a thought ~~
The resize of the images really left them looking blurry. And the headshots don't really blend in together, or with the background. The positioning of the text cuts this image in half. And the font is visually unappealing. Still, all these things can be fixed, and because of the strong layout, you'd wind up with a solid image. Maybe slot in some buildings in the background to break up the black and give it some texture? I'd suggest looking at Essex's work. He does some rather obscene things to backgrounds that look simply stunning. Look into airbrushing to smooth out the pixelly base pics. Marrow's tutorial in the Art School will point you in the right direction. Restoring crappy base pics is an art form in itself. &gt;_&lt; The font could use a bit of impact. Try using different fonts for the credits and the title. Stick a logo in there somewhere. Play around with the colours of the text a bit. All this image really needs is a bit of make-up, not to hide the flaws, but more to enhance what's already there. http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/smile.gif

~~ Genre Wars ~~
That's a really cool drawing. The colours are great, too. Nice and cartoony. I swear, I'll give you a saving tutorial, once my Photopaint stops being a bitca. &gt;_&lt;

~~ The Icy Hand of Death ~~
Unbelievable work, as usual. That ice alone is a masterpiece. *scratches Welshcat's ears* Goooooood kitty! Goooooood kitty!

[Marcelo Gomes]

Wow, Welshcat! Great job... Ironman looks really great and the ice FX worked are perfect. great great grat.

[dperceful]

sorry but this one is going to be quick, i'll try to be helpful in as few words as possible

batman year one: read any of my other UIR's of your work, they all pretty much apply to this piece.

scarlet witch: nice lacing! the face loses some detail with the power effect. what image editor do you use?

last son of krypton: really cool looking.

kitty pryde: what was done here?

angela2: i would love to see a cleaner scan.

storm grown: smudgy. painty. rough cut and paste.

mr miracle: the face seems odd, maybe it's just the guy's face structure. nice manip. some parts seem a little painty, others work well. thought your atom piece was your best work.

archangel: nice. again, love to see some ink and color work.

ff: i know you use paint. is it possible to come up with some better images? your base pics seem really pixelated.

ww: hips seem wide. very nice pic, i would guess that as long as you have been doing these your complete time would lessen. think about smoothing out the skin.

teen polaris: nice tone usage. nice eye rework. her scalp appears green. maybe highlight the hair a touch here and there.

rogue: nice. costuming is very well done, nice wrinkles. hair is difficult, especially white hair, i know your pain.

gambit and beast: the quai brothers. nice fur.

a thought: you wanted advice. work on finding better base images, this will keep your image cleaner. work on cleaning the edges, the original backgrounds really deter from what your trying to achieve. also don't be afraid to go with a background....soemthing to spice it up...maybe for batman a dark starry, cloudy night. start with these suggestions, they will go far in helping out.

genre wars: superman needs to rid the world of the terrible scourge popeye. any man who find olive oyl attractive needs to be beaten to a pulp.

icy hand: you are an iron man god! this is poser, wow! i know you did alot of postwork, but wow. this is awesome stuff, as always. fav pic of the day.

dperceful

[AngelArchiver]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by StrangeFish:
[B]Pre-supper UIR. Be warned, I may be grouchy...


~~ ArchAngel Michael, Alpha/Omega ~~
He's a hunk and has a flaming sword... What more could I ask for! http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/biggrin.gif Again, a lot of gorgeous motion. I just wish it were a little bit bigger, so I could use it for a desktop.

and others who have also mentioned the small size :-/ I haven't figured out how to make the image larger at 72dpi and still have the file 90KB or less. 90KB isn't very big, and I'm not very computer literate.

However, you can see a larger image at
http://www.geocities.com/melinda_reynolds333/000AaMikeSwShStsml.jpg

Since it's Geocities, you might have to copy and paste the URL into your browser bar. If you get "Page currently unavailable", then use the 'copy and paste' technique.

I'm honored you would want my art for a destop image http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/smile.gif Hope this image works for you.

Thanks to all for your comments http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/smile.gif

--Melinda


[This message has been edited by AngelArchiver (edited 06-05-2003).]

[Jedi Knight Pas-Jo D]

The Fantastic Four
by trekkie HAS AN IMAGE IN THERE THAT WAS TAKEN FROM MY HAVOK MINIP! MY PREMISSION WAS NOT GIVEN OR ASKED FOR THIS!

look at the pic then look at mine http://www.comics2film.com/DCG/DispArt.php3?f_id=11607&f_ssn=

[trekkie]

You are right about the pic and I am VERY sorry. I promise it will not happen again. I hope that you'll accept my appology. Is there anything I can do to make it up? I'm so very sorry about this. There's nothing I can say in my defense, because I was entirely wrong. very sorry again.

[localhero]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by dperceful:
<B>scarlet witch: nice lacing! the face loses some detail with the power effect. what image editor do you use?
dperceful</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm a Paintshop(V7 atm) man.. although I finally got round to downloading v8 I havent used it much yet.. I have also just reinstalled Photoshop 6 with the intention of actually taking the time to learn to use it properly but I havent done anything submission worthy yet.

Thanks D & Fishy for the comments, now I look at it more the face is a bit lacking, I think it was removing the jpeg artifacting from the original source that did it..

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Cheers,
Local
aka Hunk McCoy "Is it true what they say about guys with big feet? Yes they do need big shoes."

"So let me fill my children's hearts, With heroes tales and hope it starts, A fire in them so deeds are done, With no vain sighs for moments gone."

[Jedi Knight Pas-Jo D]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by trekkie:
You are right about the pic and I am VERY sorry. I promise it will not happen again. I hope that you'll accept my appology. Is there anything I can do to make it up? I'm so very sorry about this. There's nothing I can say in my defense, because I was entirely wrong. very sorry again. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
To make it up, take the pic down, and I accept your appology, just make sure you ask befor you do something like this.



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Death To The Cows!
http://www.angelfire.com/darkside/wolverine

[localhero]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jedi Knight Pas-Jo Dacle:
<B>To make it up, take the pic down, and I accept your appology, just make sure you ask befor you do something like this.
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I understand your feelings on this, as it happened to me recently (remember my hulk rant *sigh*) When I first saw the pic my first thought was like 'f*ckin cheeky b******d', but as i said there, I realised it wasnt that i minded my work being used by somebody else without permission, it was the fact that no credit was given. Anyway I think I got my own back by showing how the manip SHOULD have been done http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/wink.gif

When we create photomanips we generally utilise other peoples photos as the base for our work, and in general we probably do not ask for permission. For example, did you request permission from fox before using the Wolverine promo still in your original Havok manip? I'm not defending trekkie, just pointing out we all do it.

In general the best anyone can hope for who displays their artwork online is that it is credited to them when used on sites other than where it was originally displayed, or when it is used as part of a further work.

I think asking for the pic to be taken down is a bit much, but asking trekkie to give credit where credit is due is perfectly acceptable though, and part of what the art notes section is there for.

*get's off soapbox and wanders away to get quietly drunk*



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Cheers,
Local
aka Hunk McCoy "Is it true what they say about guys with big feet? Yes they do need big shoes."

"So let me fill my children's hearts, With heroes tales and hope it starts, A fire in them so deeds are done, With no vain sighs for moments gone."

[trekkie]

It's OK. I'll take the pic down. BUT I am submitting a new one with a new pic for the Human Torch. But it's a good point you have there. Personally, I'd be honored if someone liked one of my pics enough to use it in one of there own. But with credit where credit is due of course.

[Jedi Knight Pas-Jo D]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by trekkie:
It's OK. I'll take the pic down. BUT I am submitting a new one with a new pic for the Human Torch. But it's a good point you have there. Personally, I'd be honored if someone liked one of my pics enough to use it in one of there own. But with credit where credit is due of course. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
It's not that I'm not honored by u liking my minip so much that u put it in yours(I am honored), it's just the fact that I wasn't asked or creditied.



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Death To The Cows!
http://www.angelfire.com/darkside/wolverine

[Essex]

Asking for it to be taken down IS a bit much, and I won't do it. Very little of the image was shown and much was done to alter it (the fire). Most of the Havok image was from an X2 publicity still and the switching of the heads is the only work visible in the FF image. I think changing the art notes to credit Jedi is certainly enough and I would expect Trekkie to do so.

We're in a tricky business here, folks, and you've got to remember that. Photomanipulation is about using other people's images to create our own. Few people here use only their own images or create from scratch. Crying bloody murder when an altered image is used as a base, when the image used didn't contain drastic alterations, is extreme and hypocritical.

It is not a black and white issue. It's one thing if an image with days of work is ripped off and barely altered, but I believe that is not the case this time.

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"That which does not kill us...makes us stranger." - Trevor Goodchild, Aeon Flux

[Jedi Knight Pas-Jo D]

I'm sorry, but I have to dissagree with you on this one, alot of effort went into that Havok minip. My protest of this still stands as does my request for it to be taken down.

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Death To The Cows!
http://www.angelfire.com/darkside/wolverine

[Essex]

Be that as it may, the portions of the image with the most work done to it are NOT included in the Fantastic Four image. All that is visible is the body and the head, both of which were not created by you. You detached and reattached them. Without the creation of something new, that portion of the image used isn't exactly copyrighted to you.

What Trekkie did to your image is no different than what you did to your own base image. It was altered substantially and therefore complies with the Original Art Claim.

I still stand strongly that as long as credit is given in the art notes, it does not deserve to be taken down. Again, to demand that is hypocritical.

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"That which does not kill us...makes us stranger." - Trevor Goodchild, Aeon Flux

[D.K.HOOD]

I mostly agree with Essex on this but I still think it should be taken down for two reasons.

Manipulating photographs from sources outside the DCG is different than taking a base image from a photomanipulation. Mainly because we are all connected here and feel that common courtesy would dictate that permission should be asked to use a part of someone else's photomanip. Not to mention no credit was given.

And for the second reason it should be taken down. The word "Fantastic" is misspelled. I say let trekkie have a do-over with this pic.

[trekkie]

I'll redo the pic to correct this misspelled word (thanks for catching that, by the way) AND I'll put in a new Human Torch pic just so everyone can be happy.(I will need some help, by the way, so see my "Doing Fire" post)

[Essex]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by D.K.HOOD:
Manipulating photographs from sources outside the DCG is different than taking a base image from a photomanipulation. Mainly because we are all connected here and feel that common courtesy would dictate that permission should be asked to use a part of someone else's photomanip. Not to mention no credit was given.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's no different at all. Courtesy is just that. It is not necessary, but courteous. I don't see why different rules should apply just because we are "connected", especially when the artist is fairly new and is not familiar with manipping or C2F. Had I noticed he used Jedi's original image, I would have asked Trekkie to credit him before it went on display. However, that fact alone is certainly not enough to warrant deletion of the image. The image was significantly altered, and that is what matters, just as it would with any other base image used.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by trekkie:
I'll redo the pic to correct this misspelled word (thanks for catching that, by the way) AND I'll put in a new Human Torch pic just so everyone can be happy.(I will need some help, by the way, so see my "Doing Fire" post)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

When the new image is finished and submitted, then and only then will I remove the previous one. Make no mistake, however. That is not because my stance has changed or because Jedi protested. My opinion on the matter has not changed, and will not. It will be removed because after the new one is posted, the old will only be superfluous.


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"That which does not kill us...makes us stranger." - Trevor Goodchild, Aeon Flux

[This message has been edited by Essex (edited 06-08-2003).]