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Jedi Knight Pas-Jo D

06-09-2003, 12:46 PM

No big UIR right now, just wanted to UIR this one...

The Fan
by MysticMorgan-This is by far your best work to date, and I am so impressed with this one, I'm telling you right now to copyright this! I'm not joking, do it now!

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06-09-2003, 05:25 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Jedi Knight Pas-Jo Dacle:
No big UIR right now, just wanted to UIR this one...

The Fan
by MysticMorgan-This is by far your best work to date, and I am so impressed with this one, I'm telling you right now to copyright this! I'm not joking, do it now!

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I specialise in Intellectual Property, so I'll just say here that he gets an automatic copyright as soon as his idea is recorded in some medium (which it has been) and because he is the "author" of the work. What you're talking about it registering (presumably in the States because there is no need for that in the UK) but that is more for the purpose of "officially" documenting that he created the work. But there are informal ways of documenting, and so it's mostly an evidential point and a matter of keeping sufficient information to show that he is the author should there be a dispute. But as far as "copyrighting" it goes, it already is copyrighted even if it doesn't bear the standard copyright symbol. The same goes for EVERY other work here in this gallery. EVERYONE has a copyright on their work.

PS: What exactly is the Mullet, and how do you go about guarding it?

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[This message has been edited by Welshcat (edited 06-09-2003).]

Jedi Knight Pas-Jo D

06-09-2003, 05:31 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Welshcat:
 I specialise in Intellectual Property, so I'll just say here that he gets an automatic copyright as soon as his idea is recorded in some medium (which it has been) and because he is the "author" of the work. What you're talking about it registering (presumably in the States because there is no need for that in the UK) but that is more for the purpose of "officially" documenting that he created the work. But there are informal ways of copyrighting, and so it's mostly an evidential point and a matter of keeping sufficient information to show that he is the author should there be a dispute. But as far as "copyrighting" it goes, it already is copyrighted even if it doesn't bear the standard copyright symbol. The same goes for EVERY other work here in this gallery. EVERYONE has a copyright on their work.

PS: What exactly is the Mullet, and how do you go about guarding it?
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HULK SMASH BIG WORDS!

And as for the mullet: Little is know of the mullet, it is a symbiotic being. The mullet benefits from its host as does the hosts benefit from the Mullet. The Mullet benefits by having its goal achieved, while the barer of the Mullet receives undo attention, and in some rare cases, even fame.

The main goal of all the Mullet species is to convert all the hairstyles of the planet Earth into mullets and though this, the Mullet shall inherit the earth. Slowly but surly the 80’s will come back enabling the symbiotic bonding of many potential mullet wearing hosts.

The Mullet’s sleeping position is known as a Ponytail. Originally it was thought the Ponytail was a subspecies of Mullets, but it is now known that the Mullet will reduce its width and be allowed to be tied back.

I guard the species of the Mullet until it's eventual rise to Ruling Us all.

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dperceful

06-09-2003, 05:31 PM

this will be an interesting UIR, I've had 2 allegra D's, a shot or three of Nyquil, and about 3 hours of sleep. Never move to Tulsa, Oklahoma, the allergy capital of the planet (of course there are several more reasons not to move here as well, the allergy thing is just one of many).

new gl: i really think that GL would be a cool little WB series to do. I think the Flash would be easier effects and budget wise, but I always have dug GL. anyway....it's a pity you couldn't find a clenched fist image, it would really go well for a gl pic. also why not do green hair or a green streak, just that extra mile. While i'm on the extra mile...what about a green glow around her? these are just suggestions and ideas. I really like what you've done...the suit is totally believable. text is interesting. nice background, addition of the logos is a nice little touch.

longbow: very small, just can't see much on this.

cloak and dagger: she seems a little too shaded towards the bottom of the pic. there's a light source there i would think to see more light around that source. nice job on cloak, he was probably a tough one to do, i won't touch him just because of the whole flowing material effect. nice work all in all.

daredevil: wow! excellent work.

unicorn: the left arm needs some touch up. it's very painty, could use some lighting and shading.

phasing: simple effect to accomplish. possible consider a slight opacity on emerging body parts...that's just me though.

ww: you've got ww down....concentrate on finding better base pics. ones that are cleaner and not as blurry.

trigun: simple and effective. hard to say who would get the idea, but it works.

psylocke: yawn, cut and paste. down very convincing though. whose body is her head on?

avenger's love triangle: your version of vision, that is bowen's version of vision with some face slapped on it. give credit where credit is due (you didn't even credit him in your separate vision post). your art notes need to be a little more complimentary to the actual artists that contribute to your
work. For example, you didn't draw wonderman here, you used a pic of him, give credit to the artist or at least say "...i used a pic of wonderman i found in avengers #88...." even if your work lacks detail, your art notes don't have to.

the fan: wow! this is wonderful. i really hate norman rockwell art...but you've done something really great here. this is beautiful....i agree with the jedi, you need to protect this piece of work. hands down, no question, favorite pic of the day. look at this folks, the little wrinkles onthe kids shirt, the atmosphere, the superman comics, the whole feeling...this is art.

the marvels: i'd clean up the hulk pic a little, it's fairly spotty. for what your going for this is good.

the phantom: uir later, image is not coming up.

hulk: it's a real pity that your foreground pic of hulk is so clean and crisp..but your background is so pixely and dirty. the hulk is very well done, the greens are perfect. his right hand seems to lose some detail on the thumb, but my eyes could be playing tricks on me. very nice work.

logan: i think the experiment turned out well. this has an interesting look to it. very well done.

nightcrawler: interesting concept. i don't dig middle chest part of the costume, but hey i'm only one person, i would've gone with just black on the upper mid chest. next time add a "bampf" or something.

D.K.HOOD

06-09-2003, 05:41 PM

Mystic is the Man! Great photomanip! I love everything about it, especially the costume and the pile of comics. I had a thought about doing an homage to Norman Rockwell but I never got around to it. Are you familiar with the painting "Girl Reading"? That boy getting his palm read reminds me of what a very young Clark Kent must have been like.

MysticMorgan

06-09-2003, 07:34 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Jedi Knight Pas-Jo Dacle:
The Fan
by MysticMorgan-This is by far your best work to date, and I am so impressed with this one, I'm telling you right now to copyright this! I'm not joking, do it now!
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Thanks Mr. Jedi. It was fun doing this one. Not as much fun as changing you into Wolverine and getting rid of that Mullet!

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by dperceful:
the fan: wow! this is wonderful. i really hate norman rockwell art...but you've done something really great here. this is beautiful....i agree with the jedi, you need to protect this piece of work. hands down, no question, favorite pic of the day. look at this folks, the little wrinkles onthe kids shirt, the atmosphere, the superman comics, the whole feeling...this is art.
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My true favorite artist is Steve Ditko, but Rockwell impressed me when I was very young. Thanks for the comments dperceful. I think Omaha Nebraska might be a close runner up for that allergy title!

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by D.K.HOOD:
Mystic is the Man! Great photomanip! I love everything about it, especially the costume and the pile of comics. I had a thought about doing an homage to Norman Rockwell but I never got around to it. Are you familiar with the painting "Girl Reading"? That boy getting his palm read reminds me of what a very young Clark Kent must have been like. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You should try to get around to it D.K. It was interesting trying to do this piece and still maintain that Rockwell feel. I'm not familiar with that piece by Rockwell, I would like to see it.

Anyway, after this rave review I almost want to pull off my three that I have waiting in the wings, since they where all quickies and no where near as detailed as I got with this one.

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Solid Snake

06-09-2003, 08:11 PM

Thanks D! I was expecting major dissapointment.

dperceful

06-09-2003, 09:15 PM

just going to bump and mention no one has done a full uir on today's work. yeah mystic is awesome....but let's not forget about localhero, solidsnake, imjfactory, and all of the others that posted today.

Ed Hopkins

06-10-2003, 03:45 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by dperceful:

phasing: simple effect to accomplish. possible consider a slight opacity on emerging body parts...that's just me though.
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I wouldn't say "simple," and if you search the archives you'll see that very few DCGers have attempted it.

Do you mean the emerging body parts should be uniformly transparent or do you mean opaque but becoming transparent where they meet the wall?

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dperceful

06-10-2003, 05:27 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Ed Hopkins:
 I wouldn't say "simple," and if you search the archives you'll see that very few DCGers have attempted it.
Do you mean the emerging body parts should be uniformly transparent or do you mean opaque but becoming transparent where they meet the wall?
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sorry, i've worked in photoshop since version 4.0....so alot of things for me are simple in photoshop, but i still find challenges everyday. I didn't really start getting decent in photoshop until version 6, version 4 and 5 were self teaching and experimentation.

anyway....as far as phasing goes i thought that as the body part emerges from the wall it is opaque and see thru....then as you go up the body part to stuff that is further out of the object the body becomes more solid.

again...this is just a suggestion, we all have our own takes on visualization of characters powers.

dperceful

Ed Hopkins

06-11-2003, 01:44 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by dperceful:
sorry, i've worked in photoshop since version 4.0....so alot of things for me are simple in photoshop, but i still find challenges everyday. I didn't really start getting decent in photoshop until version 6, version 4 and 5 were self teaching and experimentation.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't want to start a flame war, but are you being this condescending on purpose?

My pic was done in version 5. I now have version 7, but there is nothing in the new version that would make this effect any simpler. It's the same old layer mask. There's no "Shadowcat filter."

While I will admit that having Photoshop makes maniping easier, you still have to know what you are doing. Would you tell a sculptor that his work was "simple?"

"All you did was take marble and chip away all the bits that didn't look like a horse. It's simple if you have chisel v6.0 like me."

This may not have been my best pic, but I accomplished what I set out to do, namely create a realistic phasing effect. Show me someone who has done it better.

dperceful

06-11-2003, 06:15 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Ed Hopkins:
 I don't want to start a flame war, but are you being this condescending on purpose?

My pic was done in version 5. I now have version 7, but there is nothing in the new version that would make this effect any simpler. It's the same old layer mask. There's no "Shadowcat filter."

While I will admit that having Photoshop makes maniping easier, you still have to know what you are doing. Would you tell a sculptor that his work was "simple?"

"All you did was take marble and chip away all the bits that didn't look like a horse. It's simple if you have chisel v6.0 like me."

This may not have been my best pic, but I accomplished what I set out to do, namely create a realistic phasing effect. Show me someone who has done it better.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

whoa! i'm not trying to be condescending at all. you do great work, i really dug your secret wars collaboration and your marvel girl work. your tutorial on thing is genius. your frontpage golden girl is really well done. in fact all of your work stands out, you are a stand out artist on this website in my opinion.

and yes i totally agree with you....it's not the tool that makes the artist....it's the artist. you can teach anyone an application, you cannot teach them art.

i'm not dogging your manip, trust me. it's a good manip with a convincing power effect. you accomplish that fine and very well. you even took the time to add the shadow to the leg. and yes it is important for various shadowcat artists to realize what parts stick out where when phasing, i've seen images where people didn't and it really ruins the manip. you do all of these things and do them well, you took the time on all of the details.

when i say simple, it's not meant as a mean statement. your right, it's still the old layer mask effect that's been there since as long as i can remember. a layer mask though is nothing spiffy, think about it, a layer mask is nothing more than erasing and blending with various shades of paint. yeah we can get into opacity settings, layers, vector masks, etc...but that's not what this about. you can create the same effect you have here with skillful erasing. would i do it that way, no, but it is an option.

the fact that you the artist go the extra mile in making it more realistic by adding shadows, following body curves, take the time to have someone pose in a shadowcat type fashion, and take all of these elements and more and bring them into the real world speaks volumes about you as a dedicated artist.

There is nothing simple about that, that is dedication. The fact that you take the time to do all of these things is not simple, it's hard work.

I'm sorry if my UIR and following comments were offensive to you. They were not meant to be at all. I enjoy viewing your work and as I said earlier, you are a stand out artist on this site in my opinion (and that golden girl on your frontpage of your website is really cool).

If you want to take this off of the forum and discuss further you can email me at dperceful@yahoo.com.

Ask Essex, Stygian, Vampire Spider, and a few other artists on here.....I am in no way trying to be a prick. It's just the lack of emotion and inflection and probably the fact that I was fairly drugged up that day and really didn't take the time to consider that statement could be taken the wrong way.

Again, I'm sorry that things got kind of out of whack. My apologies and please realize no disrespect was meant.

dperceful

Ed Hopkins

06-11-2003, 10:17 PM

I wholeheartedly accept your apology and offer one of my own for accusing you of belittling my work. After taking another look at your gallery and website, I agree that the effect would be simple for someone of your talent to do.

I got a little miffed at your first apology, and if you read it again you'll see why. You kind of imply that I haven't gotten good at photoshop yet. You had no way of knowing that I've been using it as a student, hobbyist and professional for 10 years .

Thanks for the kind words on my older pieces. Hopefully my future works will be worthy of similar praise.

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dperceful

06-11-2003, 11:42 PM

Your right, after reading that earlier apology I do sound like a jackass. It wasn't meant that way honest, and again my apologies. Your not good in photoshop, your great. honest, that thing tutorial is really cool.

Thanks for the kind words about my gallery and site. It means alot when someone of your artistic calibur hands out praise. Thank you once again for the kind words.

Trust me, my talents are challenged everyday in Photoshop and other apps. There are days when I just can't get things right in Photoshop and I've been using the thing for years. I still hunt down tutorials once or twice a week to see every possible way things are done.

Thanks again for accepting the apology, and please never let it cross your thoughts that I have anything but the upmost respect for your skills as an artist.

dperceful

Ed Hopkins

06-12-2003, 01:23 PM

I hope everyone is taking note of how cool dperceful has been about all this. We could all learn a lesson in internet etiquette from him.

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