Art Notes

[Juvenilemike]

Hey there ladies and gents. I'm writing on behalf of those that do Uir's, and those that want to be UIRed. I'm not a consistent reviewer by any means, but the most frustrating thing for me is when someone doesn't add art notes.

If you want us to review it then give us something to use. We don't know that this is your tribute to Monkey Man four when he stole Cap's shield. All we see is a monkey holding Caps shield. We don't know that you started with a naked pygmie and produced a fully suited up Cyclops. That is, we don't know unless you tell us.

So if you don't tell us we ethier a:assume that you haven't done much, or b: don't review it. Which is what I'll be doing in teh future.

Seriously, art notes are a way of sharing your experience of the work. Things you learnt, problems you encountered, and what you've accomplished, so fill them in and we'll all be happy.

Now please, have a peanut.

Mike

[Darth_zaiyen]

Personally, I don't like art notes. I'm not against them by all means, but I don't like filling them out myself. Mainly because I've always lived by the philosophy that good art speaks for itself and doesn't need words. However, Art Notes do come in handy if you want to tell who the people are in the pic or something. It depends on the art really. Take for instance Essex's 'Xorn' (http://www.comics2film.com/DCG/DispArt.php3?f_id=11759&f_ssn=). No Art Notes, but one darn fine piece of work. Just because there's a lack of notes doesn't take away from the image itself, does it? It's like an Art Gallery in a museum; there are no art notes or subtitles or anything. Just the title and the work. The Mona Lisa wouldn't be near as intriging if it had art notes explaining who the woman in the pic was.

[D.K.HOOD]

I don't think the art notes need to be as explanative as a tutorial. Just some background information is all I ask for. Is it done from scratch, photomanip, painting, or a combination. And, I'd like to know who or what the character is if I've never seen or heard of it before.

[The_Vampire:Spider]

I get what your saying Darth, I really dont like filling out art notes either but I m glad they are there if needed. Yes some pieces dont need words to show their greatness. Also art in museums you know how they began as a black sheet for the most part here most start with an already existing picture which make its harder to tell whats been done. Some art like your and Essex most of the people who U.I.R. know about your guys skill, and can see what you have changed because its usually alot. But others its harder and it makes it a bit tough to U.I.R.

[Juvenilemike]

Art in museums is often dated and the methods used are stated. E.g. oil on canvas. Good museums will include a small plaque detailing a few points in regards to the piece, such as his or her motivations behind it, characters within it, and influences.

Mike

[Darth_zaiyen]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Juvenilemike:
<B>Art in museums is often dated and the methods used are stated. E.g. oil on canvas. Good museums will include a small plaque detailing a few points in regards to the piece, such as his or her motivations behind it, characters within it, and influences.

Mike</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

bah on you, Mike. bah on you.

[Essex]

Actually, I did intend on putting art notes on the Xorn pic :P I usually don't write notes until I'm about to put the image up for display (I'm in there anyway...), but that time I just forgot. By the time somebody told me there weren't any, I didn't bother writing any.

I do think that at least minimal art notes are usually a good idea, especially coming from the DCG Admin. Some people just expect me to realize who Captain Whats-His-Name is from some nothing publisher and are surprised when it gets an "original concept" keyword. I've got far too much useless comic knowledge in my brain, that's for sure, but I certainly don't know everything http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/wink.gif

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[Darth_zaiyen]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Essex:
I do think that at least minimal art notes are usually a good idea, especially coming from the DCG Admin. Some people just expect me to realize who Captain Whats-His-Name is from some nothing publisher and are surprised when it gets an "original concept" keyword. I've got far too much useless comic knowledge in my brain, that's for sure, but I certainly don't know everything http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/wink.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That much I do agree on. As well as casting used. However, as far as notes explaining what was done, the processes used, etc, I don't think it's a must. After all, UIRs are for reviewing the art, not the the notes.

[The_Vampire:Spider]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Darth_zaiyen:
After all, UIRs are for reviewing the art, not the the notes.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

So true yet it helps in the understanding of what they were going for. When I UIR I read the notes first before looking at the art so I can fully understand the picture. But yeah exact step by steps on what you did is over kill and I would probally stop reading the notes if it was that way.

-Essex doesnt know everything I am shock I thought he was the almighty comic god to be feared by all. http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/wink.gif I have got to say though yu certaily know alot and usually do a good job on the key words.

[D.K.HOOD]

And Darth, its difficult to give someone constructive criticism or helpful hints when you don't know what methods they are using to begin with.

[RyanArya]

Some people don’t even want their work to be reviewed either. We’ve had people bring discussions up about how they don’t like their work to be reviewed in the past.

Personally I like to read art notes; even if it’s a few lines it’s better than nothing. I don’t think I could ever submit a picture without saying something about it. But everyone’s different, so respect to everyone I guess.

[Darth_zaiyen]

Ah, then thats where we differ in UIRing (yes, I UIR from time-to-time). See, I hardly ever read people's art notes when I UIR, unless there's a question I hope to get answered.

[Kevin Newburn]

I agree that art notes here are kinda necessary. We're dealing with a lot of images that are computer manipulated and it's hard to comment and review the picture if you have questions on what was manipulated. I've seen quite a few pictures here where I didn't know what to say cause I didn't know what the artist even did.

[Essex]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by The_Vampire:Spider:
Essex doesnt know everything I am shock I thought he was the almighty comic god to be feared by all. http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/wink.gif I have got to say though yu certaily know alot and usually do a good job on the key words.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Oh no, I should still be feared and thought of as a God. That part is right.

And thanks, btw http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/biggrin.gif


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"That which does not kill us...makes us stranger." - Trevor Goodchild, Aeon Flux

[Marrow2000]

I enjoy reading art notes, except when they're really lengthy and drag on for paragraphs at a time...

[StrangeFish]

I'm all for art notes, even if they're "This is Claire Danes as Wonder Woman. Added the skirt, the belt and dyed her hair. I use Photoshop." I'm totally wild about longer ANs especially if it gives us a bit of info about the character, why the artist decided to manipulate that character using that actor, and a few notes about techniques.

I don't need a step-by-step, but it makes UIRing easier. http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/smile.gif

[D.K.HOOD]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Essex:
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Oh no, I should still be feared and thought of as a God. That part is right.

</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Bah! The God of not submitting a new pic in over a month, perhaps. http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/wink.gif

[Essex]

Hey, I've been artistically active, but it's mostly been outside of the DCG http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/wink.gif Most of it non-digital, too.

My much-awaited (well that's pushing it) new pic has been in the mid-stages for a couple months now. Just can't find the time http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/eek.gif

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"That which does not kill us...makes us stranger." - Trevor Goodchild, Aeon Flux

[This message has been edited by Essex (edited 09-17-2003).]

[Jedi Knight Pas-Jo D]

This has ALWAYS been one of my biggest pet peeves, I usually don't UIR those that have nothing in their artist notes.

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[WC]

I agree that good art can speak for itself, or at least what others consider good art. However, just as a good film speaks for itself, there are a lot of trivia buffs around who like to know the background - a "making of", if you will. That's why there are all these documentaries and commentaries on a DVD, so that you know what the film maker was thinking at a particular point, and particular artistic choices they made. I like to know what people were originally going to do, how they were influenced, and what changes were made during the initial stages up to the completed picture.

Not everyone cares for this, and I'm sure some will think it unnecessary. However, I just consider the art notes like the extras on a DVD - some have more extras than others.

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[imported_Thom]

Art notes are like director commentary on DVDs.

Some directors whant to point out all of the tiny little cameos involved.
Some want to discuss the plot or character motivations.
Some want to describe the cinematography or set design.

Art Notes don't have to contain all (or any) of these things, but I personally like reading something from the artist.

[Pirate King 2000]

I like the art notes.

Like it's been mentioned, sometimes you need to explain some of the more obscure characters.

But mostly, I like to say why I wanted to do the pic. What my motivations were. Why I chose that setting, these characters, that actor.

They are indeed very much like the DVD features as mentioned by my erstwhile colleagues above. and I always make sure I get DVD's with lots of extras. Look at Phantom Menace- average film, one of the best DVD's out.

It's kinda like putting a monkey in a sialor suit- taking something good and making it better.

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[ali786]

most of my artwork is self-explanatory but I do put something down if I found it to be of interest..however if anyone wants to know anything about a particular picture then they are free to ask....