UIR 02/02/2004

[B]

What, no one's done this yet? Right...

Bishop by siddhartha
A good first "real" manip. The costuming's quite decent, though the shoulder pads lack depth--they need more shading--and seem to be different angles. The accessories are well done, as is the tattoo. The eyes are a bit flat, they could use some more lighting. The background works.

She-hulk: The Movie by M
The usual quality Paint work. It's good to see you redoing the face and background, but you should really "Paintify" the hair and eyes too. Her proportions seem a bit weird, the arms are really short and thin.

Batman Concept #1 by KAZ
Isn't this just Bale's head on someone else's body? Well done for what it is, but your last couple of pieces are better.

The Crow by xmikex1983
Great work. I like the shading around the eyes. And the trenchcoat's nice.

Plactic Man 2 by MysticMorgan
Awesome work, as always. Great work on all the twisty-turny stuff. The plastic texture on his face, etc is simply gorgeous. Totally action-figurey, which is perfect. I also really like the little fat cartoony guy. Tied for favourite pic of the day.

Psylocke In Maxim ! by olympus112
Not bad. The hair's decent, though it needs a few highlights. The costume badly needs some shading, it's very flat. The power effect... not bad or anything, but it doesn't really look much like energy. Good to see you trying out some new tools--keep that up!

Ragman by bearbot
Very nice! Cool design for the character, and the costume looks great. That cloak--wow. Huge kudos, it looks great. That highlight around his thumb is odd though, it sticks out a bit too much and the direction is weird. Besides that, the background's a bit--no, make that a lot-- too blurry. Doesn't fit the sort of airbrushed look of the character. Still, a great piece. Can we find out some more about the character please?

Beware ! Justice Is Blind ! by arkheon
Great job! Localhero did the first colour version, so let's compare a bit... The lighting's not quite as good as in localhero's version, but the inking's better. I like the background of this one better. Hmmm... Overall, it compares quite favourably. I really like the texture of the suit (though it could use a touch more shine).

Fantastic 4 by mac10
Very nice drawing. Sue's great, though it'd be cool if she were partly invisible. Her pinky finger looks weird though. The others are mostly well drawn too, but Thing looks really weird. He's too small (why on Earth is Reed so much bigger?) and his skin looks wrong. He looks like just a normal human with weird skin rather than the craggy, rocky orange guy we all know and love.

Anime Babes 2.0 - Rei Ayanami by Lady D
Awesome work, your best since your return IMO. The usual amazing Poser work, it looks totally natural. Great costuming, all the detail work is lovely. The background's great. My only thing is the hair... The texture's odd, probably cause of the fur filter (have you tried dperceful's hair tutorial in the Art School?). It's also too dark, Rei's usually shown as having pale blue-grey hair. Still, I like Eva and I love Rei, so: tied for favourite pic of the day.

Iman As Storm by Ed Hopkins
Well... I like the cloak and the costuming (though the leg's a bit blurry). But... a number of things about this just look weird, to be honest. The lightning doesn't look like lightning, it's nowhere near bright enough. The hair's well done, but it goes in way too many different directions at once--it just doesn't look realistic to me. Don't get me wrong, it's a good piece. It just isn't your best IMO.

Kitty by Sticks
Very nice work. You're right that the face is too Posette, but everything else looks great. The pose is very nice, quite naturalistic. And the costume texture is beautiful. No real complaints. Yet another favourite pic of the day.

Churchill's Beast by chris moore
Pretty good piece. The costume's pretty well done. I like the gold texture and the lighting of the X. The costume and fur are way too dark, though, they need more highlights. As is, the brighter parts of the costume (plus the glasses) really stick out. Also, the stripes on his abdomen are too straight, they should curve along his body. As for the line... first, it'd be useful to know what app you use, there may be some specific filter or something you can apply. Generally, though, antialiasing would likely help, I can't tell if you have it turned on (doesn't look like it). Personally, though, I usually just smudge or blur my lines. If your careful you can get good results. Or you can try to use the method for creating edges demonstrated in Marcelo Gomes' Britney-X tutorial.

Phoenix by cyberphoenix
Welcome to the DCG! Good debut. The background's cool, and the costuming's not at all bad, though it needs more shading. I like the overall sort of dreamlike look. The eyes are alright but lens flares are not your friend (I assume that's how you did the lighting effects; my app doesn't have that filter so I can't be sure). They're totally overdone here. Like I said though, a good debut. Keep it up.

Black Canary by mark
Nice cartoony drawing, shame about the scan quality. Very pixelly.

[KAZ]

Batman Concept #1 by KAZ
Isn't this just Bale's head on someone else's body? Well done for what it is, but your last couple of pieces are better.

Well yes and no I had a pic of Bale from a trailer that was missing top of head had to fix that second the guy in a suit was just used for legs the top part is a pic of a suit with no one in it, And I added in hand from one of my superman pics I uploaded , but thx for think my last couple were better http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/smile.gif lol

[B]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by KAZ:
Well yes and no I had a pic of Bale from a trailer that was missing top of head had to fix that second the guy in a suit was just used for legs the top part is a pic of a suit with no one in it, And I added in hand from one of my superman pics I uploaded , but thx for think my last couple were better http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/smile.gif lol<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I see... I'll upgrade my opinion to "very well done cut-n-paste" then. Very well Frankensteined, the various parts fit together seamlessly. I still think your last couple sumbissions were better though. http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/biggrin.gif

Incidentally, the above is the kind of information you should really be putting into your Art Notes. The reason I thought it was just Bale's head on guy-in-suit's body was because of the info you did put in them. And that made me underrate the amount of work you put into the pic. That's why I keep saying you should have more detailed art notes.

(And don't think I'm singling you out. A lot of other artists do much the same thing, including some of the top ones--and I must say it irritates me regardless of who does it.)

Okay, that's the last time I'm gonna go on about that particular subject. I'm starting to go all broken record-y...

[Kevin Newburn]

preach on B. it's worse for those of us who don't manip, sometimes I look at a picture and I'll have no idea what the artist actually did and didn't do.

of course all my pictures are the exact same. so much so that i think I'm going to move my art notes into my biography. "i drew this with pencil... made it look like ink whith photoshop... somebody please color this". it works for all my pics

[B]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Kevin Newburn:
<B>preach on B. it's worse for those of us who don't manip, sometimes I look at a picture and I'll have no idea what the artist actually did and didn't do.

of course all my pictures are the exact same. so much so that i think I'm going to move my art notes into my biography. "i drew this with pencil... made it look like ink whith photoshop... somebody please color this". it works for all my pics</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

This is exactly why I keep bringing this point up. And hey, I manip regularly and still sometimes have no idea what the artist did.

As for your Art Notes... I can imagine that there wouldn't be much variation in the notes for drawings if one does a lot of them and is as good as you are. Now me, I don't post drawings often, but when I do I usually just go on at length about the stuff I feel I screwed up. http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/smile.gif

Actually, I do that in all my art notes...

[This message has been edited by B (edited 02-03-2004).]

[Ed Hopkins]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by B:
Iman As Storm by Ed Hopkins
Well... I like the cloak and the costuming (though the leg's a bit blurry). But... a number of things about this just look weird, to be honest. The lightning doesn't look like lightning, it's nowhere near bright enough. The hair's well done, but it goes in way too many different directions at once--it just doesn't look realistic to me. Don't get me wrong, it's a good piece. It just isn't your best IMO.
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Thanks for starting a UIR, B.

I'm sorry you had trouble with my pic but your complaints seem unfounded to me. The center of my lightning bolts are pure white, 100% brightness. You can't get any brighter than that on a computer screen.

I don't know which leg you think is blurry but the whole pic is a little blurry from the compression. That's why I put in a link to a bigger file.

As for the hair - she's a woman flying in a lightning storm. I think the electricity from the lightning would make her hair do exactly what I have it doing. I think DCG people have gotten used to manips where no attempt is made to show the powers at work. With characters in sexy Maxim pictorial poses (http://www.comics2film.com/DCG/DispArt.php3?f_id=12321&f_ssn=). I think those are the unrealistic ones - IMO.


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[B]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ed Hopkins:
<B> Thanks for starting a UIR, B.

I'm sorry you had trouble with my pic but your complaints seem unfounded to me. The center of my lightning bolts are pure white, 100% brightness. You can't get any brighter than that on a computer screen.

I don't know which leg you think is blurry but the whole pic is a little blurry from the compression. That's why I put in a link to a bigger file.

As for the hair - she's a woman flying in a lightning storm. I think the electricity from the lightning would make her hair do exactly what I have it doing. I think DCG people have gotten used to manips where no attempt is made to show the powers at work. With characters in sexy Maxim pictorial poses (http://www.comics2film.com/DCG/DispArt.php3?f_id=12321&f_ssn=). I think those are the unrealistic ones - IMO.
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The lightning bolt's center seems a bit yellowish to me, but I guess that's probably just because of us having different monitors Also, though, it should be glowing more--have a "halo" around it, for lack of a better term.

I looked at the large version too, and her right leg looks a bit blurry to me in both.

The hair... once again, I reiterate that it looks wrong to me. I personally think its going in just too many directions. I'm not really sure any one of knows for certain what someone's hair would look like in an electrical storm. In my experience, electricity usually makes hair stand straight up. Obviously, though, if you disagree, that's fine. UIRs are just IMO.

And I completely agree that Maxim type photos are innately far more unrealistic. (Though if you want to show her powers at work by having her be in an electrical storm, shouldn't there be more actual electricity around her?)I said as much last UIR. It's just that if a pic, especially a good one from an experienced artist such as yourself, doesn't sit right with me, I kinda have to explain why. Once again, it's good, it just didn't work for me.

Cheers.

[This message has been edited by B (edited 02-03-2004).]

[KAZ]

K well I like reading uri's But im not shur I like doing one, Anywho here we go...

Bishop by Siddhartha
Um alittle to bright not shur about Tyson playing bishop but not too bad.

She-Hulk by M
Its ok but you should have named it She-Hulk the cartoon series staring the
voice of lucy lawless.

Batman Concept#1 by Kaz
I like all things Batman and plus I did this one so lets skip http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/smile.gif

The Crow by Xmikex1983
Good charactor layout should have shaded it more solid but I get it pencil
inkings a bitch!

Evil-Lyn2 by Bcat75
Nice choice for evil lyn looks good you could have made the pic a tad smaller
and worked on the out line around cape and cuffs but still nice piece.

Plactic Man2 by MysticMorgan
Wow Great Piece Like all your other stuff!

Psylocke in Maxim by Olympus112
Not shur about this, I like it but I think its just couse shes hott with pink hair.

Ragman by Bearbot
Sweet piece but wouldent his name be more fitting PatchMan or DishTowelMan,nice work lol

Beware! Justice is blind by Arkheon
Nice Work looks alittle blurry though!

FANTASTIC4 by Mac10
Hmmm Nice you have a Rob Liefield kinda look to your art, I like!

AnimeBabes 2.0-Rei Ayanami by Lady D
You cant go wrong with hott anime chicks love it!

Iman as Storm by Ed Hopkins
Yes she would have been a good choice, I like the piece but it would have turned out better
if the lighting was more yellow white and less orange and less on the hair effect, But good stuff
as allways!

Kitty by Sticks
Real nice Sticks Kitty has really grown up what about inposing the girl who played kitty on to this
piece!

Churchhill's Beast by Chris Moore
I loved the lionhead one he looks to human here if beast's going to be in x3 it has got to be something
great and i think the lionhead would be very cinematic, But still nice for a human looking beast.

Phoenix by CyberPhoenix
I like for your first piece impressive most impressive, I would have ditched the picture frame.

Black Canary by Mark
ah ok.

Well I guess that wasent to bad please I know theres grammer and spelling probs galor but im an artist not a writer!
PEACE OUT!!!

[This message has been edited by KAZ (edited 02-03-2004).]

[dperceful]

uir

bishop: hey a manip! nice for your first one. a little more lighting and shading would help. the x should curve to the body, unless it's a separate piece...but if that's the case it needs to be set apart better. nice work.

she hulk: so did you take a pic of lucy into paint and paint over it? if so good work, if you recreated by sight, great work.

batman concept: well, nothing more than a head on a body. not meant as disrespectful, just saying. still, good work. i like the concept sheet idea.

plastic man2: funny, and as always very good.

ragman: not familiar with the character, but he is damn cool looking. favorite pic of the update. i lover the subtle colrs to the patchwork. you could also achieve this effect using the displacement filter in photoshop....but this method you worked up works very well. great work on the cape.

justice is blind: nice plastice work. i think it works and doesn't at the same time. to me the white of the plastic gives is a chalky feel, yet i still can see the plastic,elastic look. all in all, nice work.

Anime Babes 2.0 - Rei Ayanami: nice post work on the costume, real nice....the shoulder pads and such look like that metallic/composite/plastic material they have. the little black bars on the legs don't seem to conform to the shape, but maybe it's just me. nice work.

storm: okay....i'll start off with, this is just my opinion. lightning, to me it just doesn't say power...it has no energy crackle. but that's just me....is it bad...not at all, just a different way to do lightning. i like the fact that it has that white intensity in the middle and then the yellow. again, this is just me....i think the white needs a glow....or the lightning itself needs a glow. the costuming and the flesh, i love...no complaints. maybe on the edges some seamwork (small version it is hard to tell, and i think on the big version they are there....just subtle). great work on the cape....maybe some lighting casting back on the inside (from the lightning). i like the work on the flesh....nice warmth to it. hair, glad the tutorial helped. one thing to try next time is layering the hair. by that i mean, use the same tutorial....just do little pieces at a time on separate layers to increase depth and create a more layered hair look (i have a WW manip in the works that really displays this). i really didn't go into that in my tutorial, but should have. i like the hair....and it's your call on how it looks. i think some electricity flowing thru it would be cool. i do think the edges of the hair get a little blurry...even in the larger version. i have found instead of overstretching the edges using the smudge filter, use the eraser with a 20 to 30% setting to kinda soften the edges, just something i experimented with....you may not like the results. all in all, good work as always.

go easy on B, he is just voicing his opinion....it's not meant to be an attack, it's his opinion...and in all honesty...he is just trying to help out by offering his two cents and artistic view. also there are far worse examples of superheroines in maxim/porny poses on this site than B's, trust me....i've seen them.

kitty: one of, if not your best poser works in my opinion. i love the softening of the phase effect. nice work of keeping this from looking poser....nice indeed. maybe warm the skin up in spots using the dodge tool in post work photoshop. i have found this works well with the eyes as well, just to give them a more natural look (by dodging the upper portion of the eye it gives a light source reflection). mind you, i have not done any work in poser that i find worthy of submitting...just done some post work in photoshop with it and found it was a nice technique. ever thought about doing a poser tutorial....like setting up a scence....basic poser use, you have the skills. nice work...very nice.

Churchill's Beast: just too dark. i like the subtle fur and the basic costuming....just it too dark for me. nice though.

phoenix: welcome to the dcg. strong first submission....can't wait to see something not covered in a haze. the costuming and stuff looks nice....just a little muted.

black canary: nice design. good use of lighting and shading, i think one of your best pieces.

dan

[B]

Okay. Here's my last word on this subject. Shoulda done this earlier but I didn't have the right kind of time.

First, Dan: thank you for the support. It's much appreciated.

Now... Ed, I respect you and your work. You're a fine artist. But if I feel a piece of artwork doesn't work for some reason, I'll say so. Regardless of whose it is. If, say, Welshcat or Marrow (my two favourite artists in the galleries) do something I think is weak, I'll say so and I'll say why. Anything I do criticize is just my own personal opinion, its not an attack. I'm just pointing out weaknesses I see. You don't have to choose to listen to my critique. You don't even have to agree that problems I see are indeed problems. Gods know I don't always agree with the UIRs for my pieces.

But in my UIRs I try to be honest and say what I think of the piece. If you'd rather I simply say that everything you do is wonderful with no problems whatsoever, then I'm sorry but I can't do that. I don't operate like that.

As for the poses in my own work... First, like I said I severely dislike blatantly Maximesque or (especially) porny poses. I try my best to stay well away from them. I realize some of my early work does have poses like that, but I do try to stay away from them. And, honestly, I think they're in the minority among my work.

Obviously, 99% of my work looks posey. I realize that too. The fact is, 99.9% of all photos one can find on the web that are useful for manips are obviously posey. It's something that's really hard to get away from. And, honestly, virtually every artist on this gallery has produced a lot of work where the characters are obviously posing for camera. I don't think I'm alone in this, and I'm certainly not the worst culprit. I usually try to get either poses that fit the character (Dead Girl, Harley, Batgirl) or ones that are neutral stances with the character looking at the camera (most of the rest).

If you have problems with my work, or with the poses I choose, then tell me. I'll certainly take them seriously into consideration.

And that's my last word on the subject. If you want to debate further, email me. I don't want to clog up the boards.

But I don't want to have to argue with you. I respect you too much.

Cheers.

[This message has been edited by B (edited 02-03-2004).]

[KAZ]

batman concept: well, nothing more than a head on a body. not meant as disrespectful, just saying. still, good work. i like the concept sheet idea.

Um look at my response above, little more than putting a head on a body but THX anywho!

[dperceful]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by KAZ:
Um look at my response above, little more than putting a head on a body but THX anywho!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

sorry i just looked at the art notes...i scrolled past your comments.

i know your work is more than just a simple cut and paste.....but honestly....you do it so well it looks like you took 2 clean pics and slapped em together perfectly, and i mean perfectly, make any sense. i'm not joking.....your work looks like you took x amount of high res pics and put them together....and put them together very well (i would go as far as saying your the best). however your art notes lack the information that your post informs me of.....i would have never been able to tell you did the legs, hand, etc. it's easy for me to take that stuff into consideration when it's in your art notes, seeing as how i'm looking at your work at that moment. again, nice work....keep it up.

dan

[Shaylinn]

Bishop by Siddhartha – Cool work for a “first manip” Like “B” mentioned the shoulder pads need a bit more work but overall good first attempt.

She-hulk: The Movie by M – At least on this one you did all the skin as well, just add the eyes and hair and you would have a really cool Paint image.

Batman Concept #1 by KAZ – Nice work on the frankensteining. Bale’s face seems a bit dark and I would like to have seen a background but still cool.

The Crow by xmikex1983 – Really nice work and I love the implied motion of the piece.

Evil-lyn2by bcat75 – No new comments

Plastic Man 2 by MysticMorgan – I LOVE this. Perfect silliness for a character that has always struck me as bizarre. One of my fave pics of the update.

Psylocke In Maxim ! by olympus112 – The “costume” is rather flat and on my monitor the hair looks pink rather than purple. And I’m not sure about the power signature.

Ragman by bearbot – Holy crapola! I can’t imagine the amount of time it must have taken to cut out all of those different little pieces. The cape and the whole costume design are wonderfully done. Gorgeous pic.

Beware ! Justice Is Blind ! by arkheon – Nice color work. And I like the background really well.

Fantastic 4 by mac10 – I really like how Sue and Johnny came out. Reed is well drawn as well but I don’t know about him being so much larger than the others. It might work better if his arms were to encircle the others sort of making him the frame for the pic of the others. And Thing looks too thin and lizardlike to me almost as if he is Dr. Connors from Spidey rather than Ben Grimm.

Anime Babes 2.0 - Rei Ayanami by Lady D – Wonderful work on the detailing. And as always you can make poser look unposerish. I wish I knew more about the character so I could comment more.

Iman As Storm by Ed Hopkins -- Nice work. And I really like the static charge effect in the hair. The only two minor issues I can see are there is something a bit wonky with the lighting on her face to me it sets the shadows and planes of her face a bit too harshly for me. And the previously mentioned lightning, it just seems a bit too stark like there is no depth to it. But still great piece and wonderful work on what I agree is one of the best costumes Ororo has ever had.

Kitty by Sticks – Wonderful piece with one of my favorite characters. I absolutely adore the texture and work on the costume. One of my fave images of the day.

Churchill's Beast by chris moore – Nice fur effect and thank you for not doing “Hello Kitty Hank” http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/wink.gif beyond that I agree with previous posters that the whole overall is too dark. On the monitor I am using it is very difficult to even make out details on his face.

Phoenix by cyberphoenix – Very nice work for a first manip. I actually like the hazy/blur look of the image since it makes me think I am seeing her through the phoenix effect. Two suggestions – lose the lens flares, they really don’t add anything overall and tend to distract and work on a bit more shading depth on the costume. Welcome to the DCG.

Black Canary by mark – cool style. Would be nice to see a bit larger version or slightly better scan quality. The only thing I can see is that the pose she is in suggests that she is leaning on something yet we can clearly see that she is not.


[This message has been edited by Shaylinn (edited 02-03-2004).]

[KAZ]

Big THX Dan and I'll try to explain my work more in the future...Its just for most pics, I do alot of minor tweeks to the look that would take along time to explain, but I will try http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/smile.gif THX Again!

[chris moore]

The darkness on the Beast pic is due to me using a laptop, so depending on what angle the screen is at at the time I am using it, colours come off as all kinds of shades. Half the time skin looks electric pink when I put a pic on a regular monitor after maniping on my laptop - sorry guys