Feelings on Star Wars as a whole

[SinisterPryde]

Okay, we've heard the outburts (Lucas raped my childhood! The prequels are total crap, etc., etc.)

So now, let's ask, taking in all six movies as a whole, how do you feel about the saga?

Personally, I loved every film individually (I guess I'm not smart enough to hate the prequels). As a whole saga, well, it became what Lucas has intended. A throw-back to the movie serials of yesteryear. There was some uneveness, som e leaps of faith and a lot of necessary suspension of disbelief. There were also moments of brilliance and few "Oh, wow!" moments too. Star Wars, as a whole, only really works when the audience has given Lucas their hand and let him drag them along for the ride.

[Corporal_Hicks]

I love Star Wars.

I will love it until the day I die.


















The Prequels are extremely lacking.



They are *that* family member that you are so ashamed of, yet still accept because they are apart of the family.

We also hate that *that* family member's negative reputation casts such a bad shadow on the great members of the family.

[Kaeos]

I am into the Star Wars Universe as a whole. It was after Ep 1 came out that I was finally prompted to start reading more of the Expanded Universe stuff. I'm going back in and working through thr New Jedi Order series again.

For good or bad, the pre-quals are what they are. Not everyone is going to be happy with the outcome, but we aren't all George Lucas. He's satisfied with the conclusion of his vision.

Personally, other than some bad acting and a few convenient plot points I was happy with the entire 6 films and I'm looking forward to sitting down for a solid day and watching all 6 in order with my sons.

[Sgt. Awesome]

I'm a nerd. It's in my nature to love Star Wars. I do.

My friend is building himself a Boba Fett costume. That's probably the coolest thing ever.

I have $$$ worth of Star Wars books and games. It's so much more then just movies. But they are good movies.

[magiccarpet]

i love it, its been such a major part of my life. i think of watching those phantom menace trailers in my dorm room freshman year, or seeing jedi when i was 3 at the theater...there are just so many great moments of seeing star wars.

[southpaw]

I love STAR WARS. I have loved it ever since I can remember and it will take alot to make me stop. The prequels did not live up to my expectations and the truth is they never could have. As geeky as it sounds the original trilogy has meant so much to so many that the prequels never had a chance. I don't blame people for being pissed over the prequels (no matter how tiresome it gets) and complaining, hell I have bitched and moaned quite a bit on my own. At the end of the day I will remember the things I love about the movies and not dwell on the things that I don't love. Taking the good with the bad, isn't that how true love works?

[Rowanberry]

I love the Original Trilogy. I found the prequels quite disappointing; they all had their moments, but, I don't want to rewatch them every few years, like the OT.

[Asonokirk V 2.0]

The prequels receive a lot of criticism, and I believe there are things in them worthy of some criticism. However, George made these movies for us, for the fans because WE wanted them. He did the best that he could, and I swear to God if people don't start giving the respect to Ep III that it deserves I will implode, and it was an incredible challenge to have to make 3 films leading up to a story that follows it with which everyone is familiar.

Star Wars is HISTORY all in capital letters. It is a part of human civilization and will be discussed and considered relevant for many years into our collective future. It mirrors our dreams and our nightmares, and holds them up to us to look at and realize that everything really is ok.

God Bless George Lucas for what he has given us. May the force be with us, always.

[jayce78]

The prequels receive a lot of criticism, and I believe there are things in them worthy of some criticism. However, George made these movies for us, for the fans because WE wanted them. He did the best that he could, and I swear to God if people don't start giving the respect to Ep III that it deserves I will implode, and it was an incredible challenge to have to make 3 films leading up to a story that follows it with which everyone is familiar.

Star Wars is HISTORY all in capital letters. It is a part of human civilization and will be discussed and considered relevant for many years into our collective future. It mirrors our dreams and our nightmares, and holds them up to us to look at and realize that everything really is ok.

God Bless George Lucas for what he has given us. May the force be with us, always.




Rite there with'ya mate!

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Star Wars has always been a evolving space fantasy. From 1979 until today .Some of it great & some of it just o.k. & some of it i'm not overly crazy about, but the spirit is still very much the same , & George as the artist has the rite do with it as he pleases.

I was thrilled that 'Revenge' turned out so well , & I'm very much looking foward too the big set & seeing what surprises are headed our way . . .

Honestley , I find the continual critisism a little funny where all these other crappy lackluster films & t.v. shows seem to find the nerd love and respect on these forums somehow . . . . :lol:

[Magell]

I love the whole series of Star Wars and unlike many people I think the prequels were good and a useful addition to the Star Wars universe. Lucas did a great job of connecting everything together through the prequels and keeping the story intact while still creating three epic movies. I also love the EU.

[jayce78]

I really get sick to death about people ragging on the Early chapters 1-3. I think just rite now it's a really great/good : waky ,crazy Motion Picture space serial and there's nothing like it. . . .

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Where each chapter can (for the most part) be appreciated on it's own, or together as a whole . . .

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Even though I'm sure people here roll there eyes when I talk about the '07' Director's set:lol: I think that something like that can really reinvigerate a film picture , especially the way George works on a film. . .


And agree or not George is brilliant editor.Thats were he started! I just think Sometimes he got a little cut happy with the Prequels ( Even though I'm totally into 'Sith') and cut out a lot of great stuff when he should have mabie left in . . .

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And because I am such a crazy fan , thats why It excites me so much & apparently from the polls I'm not the only one :lol: . . .


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Take care mates!

[SinisterPryde]

Love 'em or hate 'em, the prequels did add to the overall story. Yeah, maybe Vader was a more menacing villian when he wasn't humanized. The mystery of the man is what made him threatening. Still, though, the prequels added a backstory to characters we have known and loved. We now have greater appreciation of Obi-Wan and the true tragedy in the infamous lightsaber duel aboard the deathstar.

I know there are people who feel that it wasn't worth it in the end, that Lucas should have left them alone to begin with. No Special Editions, no prequel trilogy. That's fine. I can understand some of their problems with the films. On some points, I even agree. But when all is said and done, what we have is a set of films that we all feel passionately about. Things we love, characters we feel we know as if they were our family. That we continue to discuss them shows that Lucas has created something that transcends him, transcends us. These films have become, in essence, ours. So to complete, for myself, what I started here: George Lucas, for better or worse, has created a saga that will be remembered for many years to come. Fathers and Mothers wil share these movies with their children. My feelings on the saga as a whole, with all it's good bits and bad bits, is that of a great story finally completed.*




*Until the next set of Special Editions is complete.

[southpaw]

GEORGE LUCAS RAPED MY CHILDHOOD IN THE BUTT!






Cause every good STAR WARS discussion should have one.....

[jayce78]

Love 'em or hate 'em, the prequels did add to the overall story. Yeah, maybe Vader was a more menacing villian when he wasn't humanized. The mystery of the man is what made him threatening. Still, though, the prequels added a backstory to characters we have known and loved. We now have greater appreciation of Obi-Wan and the true tragedy in the infamous lightsaber duel aboard the deathstar.

I know there are people who feel that it wasn't worth it in the end, that Lucas should have left them alone to begin with. No Special Editions, no prequel trilogy. That's fine. I can understand some of their problems with the films. On some points, I even agree. But when all is said and done, what we have is a set of films that we all feel passionately about. Things we love, characters we feel we know as if they were our family. That we continue to discuss them shows that Lucas has created something that transcends him, transcends us. These films have become, in essence, ours. So to complete, for myself, what I started here: George Lucas, for better or worse, has created a saga that will be remembered for many years to come. Fathers and Mothers wil share these movies with their children. My feelings on the saga as a whole, with all it's good bits and bad bits, is that of a great story finally completed.*




*Until the next set of Special Editions is complete.


I very much agree with that overall assesment. No one here ever said or claimed George was perfect , just a human filmaker.

I actually really enjoy the story arc & Humaization of Vader myself . .


I loved the last part of the whole paragrph thing:lol:

[jayce78]

GEORGE LUCAS RAPED MY CHILDHOOD IN THE BUTT!



Your childhood must be sore . . .:wink:

[southpaw]

He wasn't gentle I'll tell ya that.

[jayce78]

George Lucas says:

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''Who's your daddy'' . . .

[jayce78]

He sure was a good writer and producer for Empire and Jedi. I don't understand what happened in the prequels... The writing, the dialogue, the focus, the stupidity, the waste..., Jake Lloyd... why???


You Left out 1977's Star Wars there mate? Unless you don't like the original that started it all . . .


Writer

Ex-producer

Director

Co-editior

Bathroom coordinator

Kithen adviser

[southpaw]

He has never said that.








I wonder where those fingers have been.

[jayce78]

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Just Didn't quite understand your post is all , sorry if I didn't want to seft through the rumble of the thread . . . .


No offence brother man!:wink:

[jayce78]

Angry nerd alert!!


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This is not a drill . . .

[jayce78]

Both I think . . .

[Corporal_Hicks]

I don't understand what happened in the prequels...

What happened is that Lucas neglected to delegate the necessary duties to others who could actually make those movies good.

Just imagine not doing something for 25 years (in this instance, directing a feature film...not an easy task) and immediately jumping right back in while still shouldering the brunt of the production management role. I know McCallum served as producer, but if you think that man brought anything creatively significant to the table, then you have an extremely overactive imagination.

Essentially what we had was a more-than-rusty George Lucas helming the thing with a producer who agrees with every single detail of the rusty George Lucas's decisions.

[jayce78]

mmmmmmmmmmmmm . . . .


I'll agree with some of that . I do think George was very rusty / but very passonate & imaginative on 'Phantom' .I don't think Rick is quite as much of the yes man as some might think . .


Good post though C.H.

[SinisterPryde]

I think what happened with the prequels (yes, I am a supporter, though I admit they have their faults) is that Lucas was forced out of his comfort zone by the very nature of the story. The dialogue wasn't the only problem. The original trilogy was essentially a mish-mash of fantasy archetypes and story elements. The romance between characters was subtle and restrained. The polotics were in the background and virtually undetectable except for a blanket Empire is evil dictatorship crushing the hopes and dreams of freedom.

Lucas is in his element when he deals strictly with a small group of characters and their adventures. He tried stretching out beyond his comfort zone to tell a story that was largely based on the romance and specific politics of his universe. The romance, I thought, was true to the age group of the characters (some of that shite was pain wincingly familiar). Listen to a teenager who thinks he's romantic talk to his gf sometime. The dialogue doesn't seem so ludacris anymore.

The politics, well, it's how a 15 year old would write it. Let's face it. We grew up, George didn't.

[jayce78]

Sorry, dude!


No need for appologies . .

Just a bit of fun , were all entitled to our views mate!

[Asonokirk V 2.0]

Well, here's an idea:

Remake the entire six part series with new actors, writers, director(s), etc.


The biggest problem that GL had to deal with in making the prequels, and part of the reason people complain so much about the dialogue and casting, is that he had to try and write the prequel stories so that they fit in with the story told in the OT.

I thought he did about as good a job doing that with Ep's I, II and III as one could do. Like I said earlier, the first 3 films were done because GL wanted to do them. The prequel trilogy was done because WE wanted them done, not because GL had some overwhelming desire to do them. Because I believe his motivation was trying to please others rather than himself, he screwed up. He should have just made the prequels without concern for what anyone else would think of them.

This doesn't explain the casting choices, though. I thought Natalie Portman got better as the prequel moved along, but Hayden Christensen showed me no growth as an actor from Ep. II to Ep. III. I had no problem with Jake Lloyd in Ep. I, and I don't understand a lot of the criticism directed at him. His performance didn't hurt that film at all as far as I'm concerned.

As for the complaints about dialogue, the prequel dialogue, in my opinion, isn't any worse or better than the OT. The difference is who the people were that were delivering the lines.

Another issue with the PT is that we all knew that Anakin would become Darth Vader, we knew what would happen to Obi Wan, the emperor, and the Republic. This means that it is hard to get as excited about a story to which you already know the ending going in, than it is a story whose ending is not already known.

However, despite that I truly believe that if GL had made the Star Wars in episode order, starting with Phantom Menace and ending with ROTJ, it would not have worked as well as it does.

I truly believe that George Lucas and company did the best they could do with the prequel, and complaining about what is wrong with the films is a waste of time. If you are truly motivated, go ahead and remake the films yourself and see if you can do better.

[jayce78]

I think a lot of what you say is right , . . .


But I think that George did want to get to do EIII . . . .


It was as Star Wars as one could get in that film and a hell of a lot'a fun!

[SinbadtheSailor]

I'd just like to say: I loved all six movies. Flawless victory!

[Asonokirk V 2.0]

I'd just like to say: I loved all six movies. Flawless victory!

If one is true to their heart, and one holds up any and all of the Star Wars films up next to every other movie ever made, one knows that, despite their flaws, it isn't really possible to make movies any better.

They are something truly special and precious.