Where's the UIR - 2004-08-29

[Juvenilemike]

Couldn't find one.
I'm being a little selective here, trying to only comment where I can help.

Mc Natalieastrophe Rmx
by Level1:
These images are really cool, and there's a great theme running throughout them all. I can't quite understand how they're put together. It seems to be a cutout on a background, but your text below confused me.

Anyway they look great as I said, and have a great theme. I can see them as promotional work, or advertising. Here her head looks a little skewed. The shadow works well though. I think the only change I could suggest would be the large curved peice at the top. Stands out a little big and draws a bit too much attention I think. Nice tho!

Powergirl
by KLA 1:
It's always great to see something different and using mannequinns is a really bright idea. The changes to the body are good but it could really do with some solidify-ing. The legs are kind of wobbly, and this is due to the warping. What you could have done is use the lasso on "point-to-point" and smoothed the edge.

The face and hair looks great, really 80's and works well with the rest of the image. I think the background is a little bit of a letdown though. It sort of works with the 80s-esque mannequin but a little more thought could've really made it more effective.

Mirror, Mirror
by bearbot
ONE HOUR! Dear lord, that's amazing. The costuming here is top grade. It really looks great. There are some slight issues, the point where the cape joins the cowl, shadows below the belt, but otherwise it's perfect. As for the rest of the scene, you've missed out on the shadows on robins feet. Also, the background is a bit low res, and lets the rest of the image down a bit. Great work though!

Wonder Girl, No More!
by MilleniumBum
Mb..taking ages..what so like 10 mins instead of the usual 5 :P Eliza looks great and is a really solid choice. This is of course another fine addition to your Wonder Woman/Girl series. The costume looks figure hugging but still keeps it shape. Like an expensive *professional* swimming costume. The stars down the (our) left hand side look good, but those on our right seem a bit too much like they've just been copied and pasted. The rest of the metals are really good, and you can really see some of the changes that d's tutorial made.

There is something a little strange though. The body seems to be made of two parts. The head and hands, and the torso and arms. From just below her neck down her chest seems to lack a lot of red. It's especially noticeable between her breasts...you might have to stare for ...a while. http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/smile.gif. Her arms also look a little too skinny for me.

You know I always love your work though!

Dark Fenix
by Atomic Man
I've already given you some comments on this but I'll go through it all for everyone. The costuming is really well done, with well placed and well executed wrinkles. I would maybe smooth things out a little though, especially along the gloves. The chest-emblem looks amazing. Really good and really shiny.

For me the main thing pulling this picture down is the face. It seems the face is too big for the head. If you follow the jaw line then the ears would be sticking out of the hair. I think it needs to be about 90% the current size. Experiment and see. The other thing is the skin colour/shadows. You should check out the tutorials for skin recolouring over at Worth1000.com they will really help to pull this together.

Okay that's all for now.

Mike

[This message has been edited by Juvenilemike (edited 08-30-2004).]

[B]

Storm by Nickice
Good work, as always. I like the pose too. This has the same problem that most of your work does, though, it's a rather bad scan, a lot of the colour is leached out. You should really be taking the time to touch up your scans in Photoshop (or whatever) rather than just posting them.

Mc Natalieastrophe Rmx by Level1
I still can't make head or tail of your art notes... Good piece, the angle of her head does seem kinda skewed. Nice shadow.

Powergirl by KLA 1
Good piece, though the figure's a bit blurry and overly bright, and as Mike said, the legs are "wobbly," with that messy edges... plus looks like she's gonna fall over. And I agree that the background is quite bleh.

Megatron by lordmesa
Damn! Awesome. Have I ever mentioned that I love your work? Great drawing, I love the use of negative space. Very, very nice. I can't see any problems with it. You could maybe add more of a metallic look to him, but that's maybe more an aspect of colouring then of the inking. I'd love to see this in colour, BTW.

Nightmare In The City by vegeton
Good collage. The glowing eyes are nicely done, though kind of smudgy. I'd have also made their centre white, making the overall effect brighter. You could also put more of a glow around the eyes.

Green Lantern by Sonic1002
Good piece, simple but undoubtedly well done. I like the eyes, and the mask is nice as well. It's great to see that you've added a shadow around it, nice bit of detail. It seems a touch too bright in comparison to the rest of the pic, though. And you could maybe add some texture to it, say molded rubber or hard leather (ie, leather armour type leather rather than leather jacket type leather) or something, for that extra touch of realism.

Mirror, Mirror by bearbot
An HOUR? Dear God... there should be a law against that. Very nice piece, great costuming throughout, especially on Bucky and Robin. There's not much I can add to the various nitpicks Mike pointed out. Maybe add a chainmail texture to Cap. That's it. Awesome work!

Wonder Girl, No More! by MilleniumBum
As always, great work. Good casting as well. Very nice costuming, the suit looks great, as do the bracelets. The stars are nice, though quite obviously all cut and paste. The ones on the right of the pic are at an odd angle, as well. The belt is good also, though for no discernable reason, I liked the bracelets a lot better. I can't see anything really wrong with it, though. Oh, and I have to second Mike's comment about the mismatched skin tones.

Magma by ShadowHusk
Nice piece. The hair's really smudgy, though, and I'd have made the whole thing a bit brighter, put some white in there and add a glow around her.

Scud The Disposable Assassin by brick
Awesome. Beautiful. Wonderful. My favourite pic of the day. More detailed art notes would be nice, but there's very little wrong with the actual piece. The metalwork on Scud himself is gorgeous, very very nice. All three characters look great, actually. Cool background as well. Nitpicks: the girl is a bit low res (just a touch), as are Scud's guns (far more obviously), Drywall's gun, conversely is very smooth and CGish, and sticks out as well. Finally, the laserbolts (I assume) are very... solid looking. They look like plastic rather than energy. The transparency is fine, but I'd add a bit of a glow to them. Awesome piece overall, though.

Gotta go, I'll do the rest later.

[Biohaz_Daddy]

There is a huge amount of awesome work in this update.

Storm by Nickice
There are a lot of nice things happening in this drawing. Particularly how you have conveyed attitude with her pose. A lot of areas were washed out in your image capturing process. Again.

MC Natalieastrophe RMX by Level1
oof… I can’t say anymore about this piece that I haven’t said about the other dozen essentially identical works.

Powergirl by KLA 1
Another one in your mannequin series… I really like how different these look from what anyone else is doing around here. That said the flat uniform backgrounds are... well… flat. Maybe experiment with the effects available for Photoshop a little.

Megatron by lordmesa
Well done.

Nightmare In The City by vegeton
Pretty darn good… The title should be lowered a bit. It looks like it is over Spawn’s chin. The fade you threw on Freddy is a very cool effect but, a little too subtle. Very strong piece for someone “roughly” 16.

Green Lantern by Sonic1002
Great casting… You did very well with the shading on the mask. It could use some highlight though. The eyes are a little flat and as a result almost look like lenses. Really good job, it looks like you are heading in the right direction.

Mirror, Mirror by bearbot
Fantastic work… Wow, you are doing some really cool stuff.

Wonder Girl, No More! by MilleniumBum
Very nice piece… You did quite good on the metal. The stars are lit a little too uniformly, but that’s really a nitpick.

Magma by ShadowHusk
Very dramatic piece… It gets a little pixelly but it is well done. I like the classical feel the pose gives this image.

Scud the disposable assassin by brick
Awsome! I love this piece. Bravo!

Imperius Regina by Alchematrix
Beautiful… A little more work on the details such as fingers, and textures would have taken this piece to another level.

Metropolis by LaughingBear
Cool idea, well executed… This could qualify as an “Elseworlds” from the “Twilight Zone”.

Dark Fenix by Atomic Man
Nicely done… The skin tones are a little off. The phoenix symbol is very well done. The hair doesn’t quite work for me but I like what you were trying there.

Doctor Strange by DarrenJSeeley
This piece is wonderfully unique and distinct. You are another of the artists with a style like no one else. Your style really lends itself well to this subject (Dr Strange). Believe it or not I recognized Campbell.

Daredevil card by xavix
I like the inclusion of brail into the design. I also like the shadow sight for the background, very cool. However, the frankensteined parts don’t quite match up in color or size.

E.V.A. by matrixblur
Very cool looking piece… The head, shoulder, and arm up from the bracelet are all done extremely well. I’m being particular because the rest of the image, to varying degrees, lacks form. I really can't tell where she is at or what if anything is going on in the background.

[B]

And now, the larch.

Imperius Regina by Alchematrix
Very nice piece, though you're right in that it could use some sharpening. her hands particularly lack detail. It's really good overall, though. The colours are great, and I love the staff.

Metropolis by LaughingBear
Very nice piece. Nice frankensteining and touch ups, nice background. The B&W look is perfect. The only thing I'd have changed is to put Luthor closer to the centre of the pic, as it is, the focus is spread a bit too much between him and Supes. I'd have also have put him on top of the cityscape rather than behind it.

Dark Fenix by Atomic Man
That face is really bizarre, no doubt about it. As Mike said, it's too big for the character, and not especially well recoloured. The nose and shadows are completely gone. I'd mention that there's a tutorial on the subject of recolouring skin in our art school as well, but I expect I'm a bit biased towards it. http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/smile.gif The hair's also a bit wonky, it looks as though it's of varying length on each side of her neck. Otherwise, this is really nice. It has great costuming, particularly that gorgeous phoenix logo but the whole bodysuit as well. The sash I'd have made shinier, but that's me. Great background as well.

Doctor Strange by DarrenJSeeley
It's pretty good. Really though, bits of it are very blurry indeed, especially the tunic, whereas other bits are infinitely sharper. The costuming, etc otherwise looks perfectly good, but the blurriness and variation in picture quality are very offputting. Also, I'd have put more of a halo or glow into that power effect around his hand.

Daredevil Card by xavix
Yeah, the Braille is a very nice touch. Good work on the character as well, though the Frankensteining is indeed a bit off and, as usual, art notes would be appreciated.

E.v.a. by matrixblur
I saw this pic when you posted it over at HM. I loved it then, and I love it now. Great piece, with gorgeous metal work. The green jewel things are really well done, though I think they could use a few more highlights. Some of the veins stick out too much, they could be blended in a bit better. They lack depth as well, since the shading is all very uniform. This is particularly true about the "underwear," which doesn't really have any highlights or shadows independent of the shading of the veins, and thus looks like its floating. And I agree with Biohaz that the background is more confusing than anything else.

[Juvenilemike]

Here's the two bestest Skin Recolouring thingos on the web.

Worth1000 (http://www.worth1000.com/tutorial.asp?sid=161018)

and

Comics2film (http://www.comics2film.com/StoryFrame.php?f_id=7427&f_sec=11)

Enjoy bud.

Mike

[This message has been edited by Juvenilemike (edited 08-30-2004).]

[Level1]

Thanks BioHazard D, B, and Juvenile Mike,

There were no cutouts used. I create OTC's, or in my invented termonology, Original Template Cells. Once an OTC is created, I'll use that template, and create a layer. That layer, in Photoshop 7 or CS, has a transparent background, and with that, its cleaned, mildly stroked with a black coloration, and feathered so that if a black BACKGROUND were placed behind it, no halo effect would show around the cell or characterization of the image. Once that's completed, any background or backdrop can be placed behind the image OTC. My shadows can easily be made using blend option, DROP SHADOW. But, what I do is make a duplicate of the OTC layer of the character, and have that layer MULIPLIED effect, and use the BRIGHT/CONTRAST button to make a shadow. Once that is done, I can use TRANSFORM, and DISTORT to make the shadow stand, lay down, diagonal or vertical however I choose.

Her head was not skewed. Again, that is the original template from the image that I took off of my PC game disc. Some of these were taken from a website by Sunsoft and Magna Carta PC Game website. If I am speaking totally another language, it is because I'm speaking from the visual standpoint of how I do my work, in the termanology of Photoshop itself.

Thank you all for your positive, neutral, and/or, if any, negative critiques. I appreciate them all. I say again, STAY TUNED.....hopefully, my other works will show up, and turn towards different category in the styles that I am capable of accomplishing.

Pergio Maximus
Level1

[LaughingBear]

Well...I was gonna do a UIR but I think I would just be echoing what has already been said. bearbot, Brick, & matrixblur's work is especially inspiring this update, but it all looks awesome from here.

The Metropolis piece was fun, one thing I forgot to add was that Lex from the neck down is none other than our president, the big "W". Also the first time I tried to post this it was kinda good that it didn't work, be cause I realized that the "S" on Supes was reversed, (how embarrassing would that've been?) so luckily I got a chance to correct my mistake...well...I guess that's all for now.Thanks one, & all for there coments.
See y'all inna funny pages http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/biggrin.gif

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Commala-come-come,
The battle's now begun!
And all the foes of men and rose
Rise with the setting sun.

[Juvenilemike]

Level 1. I still really don't understand what you're saying. This is what I think you're saying.

You took an image from the cd.

You removed the background from the image, isolating the character.

You then blurred the image slightly on a seperate layer. This new layer was placed behind the original to remove halo-ing.

With that done, you can just substitute layers behind it.

Is that about right?

Mike

[dperceful]

select uir

natalie: i just dont get it. your terminology? i mean c'mon it's nothing more than a character stripped off an image, slapped on a background (that i cant tell if you created), some 3d components (which in these series of pics can be done in photoshop), etc. no need to get fancy with your vocabulary when there was nothing fancy done other than drag and drop. i'm not so much concerned with the vocabulary as i am with what you actually did originally. your vocabulary skips the part of did you create the background or just borrow it. snazz it up, use a some different 3d objects for each character, or maybe mirror them and reflect the character, you know something different. and honestly...the "3d" objects are taking away from your images more than helping in my opinion. the shadow is done nicely...did you use the drop shadow, create layer and distort it or just create and fill a new layer using the character template as a selection and then distort? it might sound like a rough welcome...but i like the work...the character leaps off the background, its a nice wallpaper image.

powergirl: i liked your from scratch work with rogue more than this one. i think you could have sketched the proportions better than warping the model. i like the cape and the hair...the costume seems a little painty...but it's very solid base work. all in all nice work.

megatron: i love the b/w take on it. very stylistic. only on chapter 4 of my illustrator book....but this just makes me want to skip ahead.

green lantern: i like the eyes. the mask does not conform to the nose at all, and even if its not supposed to it's uneven, his left side goes longer than the right. great base pic.

mirror mirror: ha! reminds me of something i'm woking on. great work. the boy wonder needs to seriously get a cup....my girlfriend just looked and noticed that immediately. i like the look and feel of the costumes...i would probably grey out the cave....make it more dismal and less fantastic caverns. great work on bucky's chest...nice lighting and wrinkles. nice work all around.

wg: glad the tutorial helped....you took the time and it really shows on this image. very pretty cleanup work....just gorgeous skin tones. love the metal. it's more of a darker image....so the lighting isnt much of an issue. my only nitpick is the stars seem very flat and appear too far off of the costume. very nice work....really great looking stuff, that belt is the stand out piece in my opinion.

scud: very cool! i have no idea whe the character is...but it's one of the coolest manips i've seen in a while. i love the action flavor to it...very nice perspectives as well. scud looks very good, the material texture is nice. nice work as always.

eva: very cool. i know the frustrations of working on manips in pieces...techniques are lost or not exactly recreated. this is very good work. the detailing is very interesting. the jewels are pretty and shine very well. i like it...it looks nice....is sharp and very different.

dan

[matrixblur]

Hey guys. Thanks, your comments have been really helpful. In fact, they kinda reinforced my own thoughts on her less successful areas. I think I grew impatient, and ignored some of the finishing touches. I'll have to learn to be more patient.
Although I'm surprised about the background. I thought is was truly one of my best pieces. I tried to be careful to make it so it would not be immediately evident what it was, until you really looked at it.
Then again, my perspective is shot, because I've been staring at it for a month now! LOL.

[Amy Karas]

Storm by Nickice- Nice foreshortening!

Mc Natalieastrophe Rmx by Level1- What I'm wondering is, did you draw the character? The character looks very cool, and if it's your art, you should take credit and if it's not you show probably say so in your art notes. http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/smile.gif

Powergirl by KLA 1- I'm giving you some major kudos for this pic. It shows a lot of effort and that you're are improving. Nice job! To make it even better, I would darken the shadows, especially on the cape. That will make her pop out more. Also the skin coloring is a little too orangey brown, so just playing around with it some more will help. And of course, the more you work on it the better you'll get. I really like where you're heading!

Megatron by lordmesa- Very, very nice! I love the clean lines of this piece. Something you could add would be a small white line along his left arm to represent some reflective lighting. I just think it would add to its form.

Nightmare In The City by vegeton- OMG!!!! OMG!!! I love the Nightmare on Elm Street series. Oh, I love it so much! So I just gotta love this pic!

Green Lantern by Sonic1002- Cool pic!

Mirror, Mirror by bearbot- Absolutely my favorite pic of the day! Awesome concept and awesome costuming! You should do a series!!! And if you put Gambit in it, I wouldn't complan. http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/wink.gif

Wonder Girl, No More! by MilleniumBum- Hot dog! This is amazing! I LOVE the belt. I love the stars. I love everything, darnit! Superb!!!

Magma by ShadowHusk- Pretty cool! I like the hair a lot! I think adding even just a gradient to the background would give the pic a more life like feel just because the solid black will tend to flatten images. Great job, though!

Scud The Disposable Assassin by brick- Lol! Cute picture!

Imperius Regina by Alchematrix- I absolutely love this picture!!! She's stunning! Nicely rendered! You know what I really like about it (besides everything)? I adore the background. It seems simple, but it's so perfect for this piece.

Metropolis by LaughingBear- I was gonna do a manip of Marlon Brando too but it just wasn't working! Good pic though. I like the use of greyscale.

Dark Fenix by Atomic Man- Another great piece this update. Incredible costuming. Good work.

Doctor Strange by DarrenJSeeley- Weird mystical, hallucination type pic! Cool!!!

Daredevil Card by xavix- His head looks funny.

E.v.a. by matrixblur- Wow! Cool background! I think some parts could be smudged a little, but overall an excellent piece.

[Level1]

Yeah, JuvenileMike, that close to what I'm saying. I sometimes take a picture, that has a background or plain color, and extract the image from the background. Then create from there on. Sometimes fingers, toes, arms and legs are missing on some of these images, so, I have to do restorations. Pixel by pixel. Sometimes bleeding occurs, and then I have to do what I term as an Image Restore. But, regardless, I believe that the image is still the copyright holder's and not mine, even if I added or extracted parts and peices.

But, yeah, I did close to that which you've stated.

Hope this makes sense. http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/wink.gif

[Juvenilemike]

Okay cool. I hope it didn't seem like dperceful and I were getting angry, I know I wasn't and d's cool so I doubt he was. It's just that what we all do here is hard enough without throwing more terms into the mix. It also made it sort of hard to review your work without knowing what you'd done you know?

Mike

[Junkyard]

JUst a quick, limited UIR:
4 really great ones today:

Mirror, Mirror by bearbot- Great piece. A little too much pouch at the bottom, though.

Wonder Girl, No More! by MilleniumBum- This came out really good. The patience you took on the metal paid off.

Scud The Disposable Assassin by brick- Not only is this a great piece, but it also makes me want this movie to get made.

E.v.a. by matrixblur- Just... wow. I have no idea who this is, but it's an amazing piece. Favorite of the day.

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Junkyard, Proud Defender of This Nation's Garbage Dumps.

Funniest thing I've ever said unintentionally:
"Prosecutors will be violated."

[dperceful]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Juvenilemike:
<B>Okay cool. I hope it didn't seem like dperceful and I were getting angry, I know I wasn't and d's cool so I doubt he was. It's just that what we all do here is hard enough without throwing more terms into the mix. It also made it sort of hard to review your work without knowing what you'd done you know?
Mike</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

correct.

[Level1]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR> By JuvenileMike:
Okay cool. I hope it didn't seem like dperceful and I were getting angry, I know I wasn't and d's cool so I doubt he was. It's just that what we all do here is hard enough without throwing more terms into the mix. It also made it sort of hard to review your work without knowing what you'd done you know?
Mike <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah, sorry about the verbals, or the vocabulary. In my other occupation, speaking with such venacular is the norm here. So, when I post my works at "here and there" types of places that I'm a member of, I sometimes have to remind myself to bring things down to "earth", so to speak. Like when I'm at RapBlock, I speak also the same, when necessary, and at often times, I speak street slang, or according to whom I'm addressing. Its not to say that I'm better or have the best education, because we are always continuously learning; I'm just doing THAT which is me. If it offends, good. I'm not here to "pet" someone's level of education. Get out there and get your knowledge and skills, and put them to the test. However, I am here to show my expertise (..in my own right...), and show others another way of doing something that plays a similarity of sorts to the whole of the "picture or puzzle" of Graphic Art. To some, my work is minimal, novice, and nothing extravagant. Perhaps so. To the unlearned, and even to a Master, my work is outstanding, and excellent. Nevertheless, to each his own, and to the Eye of the Beholder, let all art forms be judged first from the artist, and then from the public. I love what I do, and it plays its part in the Collective, and its purpose is just or correct, to some degree.

As for Dperseful....forgive me if I misspelled your title name, but, I'm not here to offend you. Nevertheless, what I do is enjoyable, and I'm here to add to the Community that is C2F; I'm not here to gain awards, or get recognition. I have already gains those "earthly" trinkets, if you will. I'm here to add to the Collective of the Graphic Arena. Playing my part, so to speak. You enjoy what you do, and I'll definately enjoy what I do. Its just that simple.

I think most Graphic Communities, would benefit the best, if members would speak their critiques, without holding an inward grudge against a specified artists' work (not saying that is whats happening towards me....I'm speaking generally; I've seen attitudes like this far too many times at the various website Graphic Communities that I've Admin'd, MOD'd, and were/was a member and am a member of currently...). Because, although you may see similarities or the SAME image pop up behind my graphics, you must understand that the upload engine, or real person viewing the art for upload is only upload the accepted art, As I Uploaded Them Onto The Site. I uploaded the entire CATASTROPHIE Series, as you are viewing them coming onto the site, in the order that you're seeing them. So, to see or witness the same background with a different character, you're only seeing how I uploaded them. Bare in mind, something new will arise from my standpoint (from my uploaded images of Level1).

Thank you all for your comments. Greatly taken, received, noted, and considered. Again, if I've offended anyone with my dialec, language, vocabulary, or style of speech and typing ability; perhaps, its just a note to you to get more knowledge, learning, and education, and place yourself under a QUALIFIED MENTOR/MENTORESS to guide you properly in the direction that you know inwardly that you need to persue.

I'll Bid You All One Of The Fondest Of Days....

Cheers!


Pergio Maximus
Level1

[This message has been edited by Level1 (edited 09-02-2004).]

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[dperceful]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Level1:
<B> Yeah, sorry about the verbals, or the vocabulary. In my other occupation, speaking with such venacular is the norm here. So, when I post my works at "here and there" types of places that I'm a member of, I sometimes have to remind myself to bring things down to "earth", so to speak. Like when I'm at RapBlock, I speak also the same, when necessary, and at often times, I speak street slang, or according to whom I'm addressing. Its not to say that I'm better or have the best education, because we are always continuously learning; I'm just doing THAT which is me. If it offends, good. I'm not here to "pet" someone's level of education. Get out there and get your knowledge and skills, and put them to the test. However, I am here to show my expertise (..in my own right...), and show others another way of doing something that plays a similarity of sorts to the whole of the "picture or puzzle" of Graphic Art. To some, my work is minimal, novice, and nothing extravagant. Perhaps so. To the unlearned, and even to a Master, my work is outstanding, and excellent. Nevertheless, to each his own, and to the Eye of the Beholder, let all art forms be judged first from the artist, and then from the public. I love what I do, and it plays its part in the Collective, and its purpose is just or correct, to some degree.

As for Dperseful....forgive me if I misspelled your title name, but, I'm not here to offend you. Nevertheless, what I do is enjoyable, and I'm here to add to the Community that is C2F; I'm not here to gain awards, or get recognition. I have already gains those "earthly" trinkets, if you will. I'm here to add to the Collective of the Graphic Arena. Playing my part, so to speak. You enjoy what you do, and I'll definately enjoy what I do. Its just that simple.

I think most Graphic Communities, would benefit the best, if members would speak their critiques, without holding an inward grudge against a specified artists' work (not saying that is whats happening towards me....I'm speaking generally; I've seen attitudes like this far too many times at the various website Graphic Communities that I've Admin'd, MOD'd, and were/was a member and am a member of currently...). Because, although you may see similarities or the SAME image pop up behind my graphics, you must understand that the upload engine, or real person viewing the art for upload is only upload the accepted art, As I Uploaded Them Onto The Site. I uploaded the entire CATASTROPHIE Series, as you are viewing them coming onto the site, in the order that you're seeing them. So, to see or witness the same background with a different character, you're only seeing how I uploaded them. Bare in mind, something new will arise from my standpoint (from my uploaded images of Level1).

Thank you all for your comments. Greatly taken, received, noted, and considered. Again, if I've offended anyone with my dialec, language, vocabulary, or style of speech and typing ability; perhaps, its just a note to you to get more knowledge, learning, and education, and place yourself under a QUALIFIED MENTOR/MENTORESS to guide you properly in the direction that you know inwardly that you need to persue.

I'll Bid You All One Of The Fondest Of Days....

Cheers!


Pergio Maximus
Level1B</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


your missing my point entirely. you didnt offend me, until now. you see, even with all of that i still don't know what on your pieces is original work.

if that's the vocabulary you use, WOW, never heard it before in all my years of graphic arts, kudos to creating your own vocabulary. glad to know you can stoop to our level and speak down to the masses and educate us uneducated. it's nice to see you didn't let those earthy trinkets and titles go to your head too much. sorry man, you came off like an ass....and i'm just responding in kind.

we are all artists, we all do this because we enjoy it....some of us even get paid to do this (not manipping....artwork). you have every right to post your work here i am not arguing that point. in fact i'm glad to have new artists here, we need more of them. my main point is your art notes don't cover if you made any of these elements yourself. did you bring in the 3d components from somewhere else, or did you do them? if you did the 3d elements did you do them in photoshop or a 3d app like MAX, Maya, Lightwave, etc. just looking at them it looks like they were created in photoshop and erased to give the shattered look. did you create the background or find it on the web and just bring it in? i know the characters are borrowed and you've done some post work on them....you covered that well enough. all i wanted to know was what graphical elements were actually created by you, that can be explained in any terminolgy, yours or the uneducated. http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/wink.gif

dan

[This message has been edited by dperceful (edited 09-02-2004).]

[LaughingBear]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by dperceful:
<B>
your missing my point entirely. you didnt offend me, until now. you see, even with all of that i still don't know what on your pieces is original work.

[b]all i wanted to know was what graphical elements were actually created by you, that can be explained in any terminolgy, yours or the uneducated.</B> http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/wink.gif

dan
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I have to agree with dan, there was no offense, just confusion in how you explained what you had done. If this is something you invented, how are we supposed to understand until it is clearly explained. Now, due to the intercourse between Mike, & yourself, it's a "little" more clear. But you will have to forgive me for being a layman with no formal training. I agree that we are all here to learn, but we have to approach each other here with some level of mutual respect regardless of one's formal training, or education. That being said, I look foreword to more art from you, & in turn I hope that I have not offended.
L.B.

[Juvenilemike]

Now, due to the intercourse between Mike, & yourself, it's a "little" more clear.

Whatch you talkin' about Willis?!
http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/wink.gif

Adding my own two cents to this. Level1, you're a new guy here. And I don't want you to think we're unwelcoming, but you do seem to be a little overly-enthused about your language abilities. Saying things like
If it offends, good.
is probably not the best way to ingraciate yourself in a new community. Similairly it might be better to let others decide about how qualified you are before saying I am here to show my expertise. From what I understand of what you've done, it's not hugely difficult, or creative.

However the part that really irks me is
[QUOTE]Again, if I've offended anyone with my dialec, language, vocabulary, or style of speech and typing ability; perhaps, its just a note to you to get more knowledge, learning, and education, and place yourself under a QUALIFIED MENTOR/MENTORESS to guide you properly in the direction that you know inwardly that you need to persue.
[\QUOTE].

Although you seem to think to the contrary, your grasp of the English language is poor. You have a slightly above average vocabulary but your sentences on the whole, are poorly constructed. This is made evident by the fact that none of the people here seem to understand you. Something which can't be put down to locale as Dperceful, LB, and I are all from different places.

Again, I really don't want you to think you're not welcome here. I don't want you to think we hold some kind of grudge against you either. I just think your attitude towards others' could use some re-adjusment or at least a lower volume.

Mike

[MilleniumBum]

hmm... sounds interesting. i guess this is gonna be one of those UIRs to watch out for. haven't had any of these in a long time. heh heh

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[LaughingBear]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MilleniumBum:
<B>hmm... sounds interesting. i guess this is gonna be one of those UIRs to watch out for. haven't had any of these in a long time. heh heh

</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes...I do believe the can of cheese whiz has exploded.
But really, no grudge here, Level1. And like I said before, I'm totally looking foreword to more work from you...even if I can't understand the art note (Kidding! I was just kidding). http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/tongue.gif


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Commala-come-come,
The battle's now begun!
And all the foes of men and rose
Rise with the setting sun.

[This message has been edited by LaughingBear (edited 09-03-2004).]

[Level1]

To Whom It May Concern...

Glad to see everyone is getting along quite nicely today, regarding my post.

Noticable that it has gotten your attention, and ergo, I'll be one of the persons on your watch list.

Great! Now, that I'm official in the mix of things, herein, regarding my "poor way of speaking", let's really get serious and build this Community to where it needs to go.

Cordially Yours,

Level1

[MilleniumBum]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Juvenilemike:
Although you seem to think to the contrary, your grasp of the English language is poor. You have a slightly above average vocabulary but your sentences on the whole, are poorly constructed. This is made evident by the fact that none of the people here seem to understand you. Something which can't be put down to locale as Dperceful, LB, and I are all from different places.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

now this is what i call the good old British spirit becoming irate, prematurely and unnecessarily provoked.

my two cents:

Level1, the thing that irked me was the same thing that ticked off both mikey and dan.

"perhaps, its just a note to you to get more knowledge, learning, and education, and place yourself under a QUALIFIED MENTOR/MENTORESS to guide you properly in the direction that you know inwardly that you need to persue".

i'm a lurker when it comes to UIRs because i don't think i can give any real constructive criticism. i don't think i have any right to comment on your discourse with the other artists. however, underestimating the cranial capacity of or undermining the exchange of respect for your peers is discourteous. you acknowledged the fact that this is a community. hence, the collection of numerous personalities and attitudes. but to place yourself above all the other members of the community is downright rude. this is not a matter of "petting" someone's level of education but of harmonious co-existence.

English may not be the first and immediate language where i come from. but it's difficult not to miss the audacity in your subtlety. this message is not written in retaliation to your statements. this is merely to remind you that we are a community that strives to improve ourselves continuously and to help each other out unselfishly.

on a lighter note, i'm a semi-anime/manga fan and i enjoy your work. i'm not familiar with characters on your work but the character designs are cool. hope you're not offended or anything. oh, and welcome to the DCG! http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/smile.gif

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[This message has been edited by MilleniumBum (edited 09-03-2004).]

[This message has been edited by MilleniumBum (edited 09-03-2004).]

[Level1]

Thanks Sir,

No, I'm not offended with any of the "constructive criticism" of the days, and hours past. Its common in an enviorment of one such as C2F.

My paragraphs of gigantic proportions were only to attempt to educate or "describe" of what I do.

The offense was only absorbed by those who felt that I posed a strike or "blow", if you will, to their intellect. That, of course, was not intentional, by any means. They merely took offense, because they were looking for it, and they found that which they searched for.

Thank you for your expressions of welcome, and looking forward to helping the Site and Commnity in any way that is within my power to perform.

Cordially Yours,

Level1


Oh, and BTW, the Gallery seems unfinished. Is a newer portion of the Site being erected?

I received another email stating that my "Gokuastrophe RMX" screenshot was permitted, and yet, I do not see what was supposed to be displayed in the link provided in the email. Explain...

[This message has been edited by Level1 (edited 09-03-2004).]


EDIT: Pardon me. Its up now. Thanks! http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/wink.gif

[This message has been edited by Level1 (edited 09-03-2004).]

[MilleniumBum]

Level1, usually Essex updates the gallery at around this time mondays-wednesdays-fridays. you probably accessed the gallery while he was updating it. your art is up now. http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/smile.gif

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[Juvenilemike]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MilleniumBum:
now this is what i call the good old British spirit becoming irate, prematurely and unnecessarily provoked. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Mb, you forget I'm Scottish, we don't subscribe to the English mentality. We'd much rather give a Glasgae kiss than a good ol' welcome http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/wink.gif I'm not looking for a fight, and I don't feel threatened. I just think that you should not be so condescending towards the people of this community.

Mike
~The above does not represent the true opinion, nor attitude, of the Scottish people.~

~Oh and Mike is actually a fairly decent guy...usually~

[MilleniumBum]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Juvenilemike:
Mb, you forget I'm Scottish, we don't subscribe to the English mentality. We'd much rather give a Glasgae kiss than a good ol' welcome http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/wink.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

oops my bad! and, dare i ask, what's a Glasgae kiss? and am i old enough to know? http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/wink.gif

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[Level1]

*Sigh*...well everything seems settled.

Again, let's focus on the other artists now.

I'm not that important to fill this thread up with other unimportant verbalage...



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[MilleniumBum]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Level1:
<B>I'm not that important to fill this thread up with other unimportant verbalage...
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

terms like Glasgae kiss? heh heh http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/biggrin.gif


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[Level1]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MilleniumBum:
<B> terms like Glasgae kiss? heh heh http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/biggrin.gif


</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


LOL, yeah, terms like that, "M"! http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/wink.gif


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[dperceful]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Level1:
<B>*Sigh*...well everything seems settled.

Again, let's focus on the other artists now.

I'm not that important to fill this thread up with other unimportant verbalage...
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

i wasn't looking to be offended when i got on the forums today or any day. your not on my watch list....i just visit this site daily and check the boards daily. you still miss the entire point of my comments....from this UIR on any UIR of your work.

what did you do? did you just read my comments and think me some angry board poster and pay my comments no mind? i have no problem with your work, no problem with you, i even took the time to check out your other work at sites.

for the love of god i just wanted to know what you actually created in your pieces or was it all borrowed (meaning from other artists/companies/etc) elements that were brought together by you?

it's that simple, how else do i need to say it? it's like i'm talking to a politician....you never answer the simple questions that have clearly been laid out right in front of you.....twice.


dan

[dperceful]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MilleniumBum:
<B>hmm... sounds interesting. i guess this is gonna be one of those UIRs to watch out for. haven't had any of these in a long time. heh heh
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

glad to give you some excitement. http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/smile.gif

[Sonic1002]

Thanks for all the comments. I'll use your advice for future pics.

[This message has been edited by Sonic1002 (edited 09-03-2004).]

[B]

Mike: I think that technically you do have a British mentality, just not an English mentality. Scotland is part of Great Britain, after all.

Level1: I've been more or less avoiding this whole thing (well, avoiding participation. I've been reading it with great amusement) but y'know, Dan (dperceful) is right... Every single UIR of your work, I point out that I don't understand your art notes and am not clear on what you've actually done in these wallpapers. You give us technical jargon and then, when we ask for clarification, you give us... more technical jargon. Now, I'm basically an amateur at digital art, as are a number of other folks here. We cannot be expected to understand what you're talking about surely? Especially when even those people who are involved in or studying graphic design don't understand it either? It seems pretty obvious that English isn't your first language, so I guess the confusion isn't intended, but that's all we're getting out of this... confusion.

[LaughingBear]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by B:
Now, I'm basically an amateur at digital art, as are a number of other folks here. We cannot be expected to understand what you're talking about surely? Especially when even those people who are involved in or studying graphic design don't understand it either? It seems pretty obvious that English isn't your first language, so I guess the confusion isn't intended, but that's all we're getting out of this... confusion.[/B]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Especially when a statement like this one is included...[Using the "cell templates" from my PC game CDROM, I configured all of the body sprite cells into what I term and invented known as OTC's (Original Template Cells).]...I mean, it's like you using a language that you invented, but are expecting every body to understand instantaneously.

[Amy Karas]

Oh yeah! This threads a lively one! Seems like everyone's gathered around this one. I'll pop the popcorn! http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/flash.gif

[Juvenilemike]

B: Lol, I was just being contrary. To be accurate though, I don't really have a British mentality, at least not wholly. Mainly because I was raised abroad.

Amy: You know cinemas in the Uk and the Us smell different? I only just figured out why the other week. It's because of the Butter that gets put on popcorn in the States. But there's only one realy question for me. Salted or Sweet?

Everyone else: I'm glad I'm not the only one that doesn't understand Level1.

Mike

[LaughingBear]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Juvenilemike:
<B>B: Everyone else: I'm glad I'm not the only one that doesn't understand Level1.
Mike</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
What did you say?...I can't understand you.
http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/tongue.gif

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Commala-come-come,
The battle's now begun!
And all the foes of men and rose
Rise with the setting sun.

[B]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LaughingBear:
<B>What did you say?...I can't understand you._
http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/tongue.gif</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think it was something to do with cheese steaks.

[matrixblur]

Juvenilemike wrote:
________________________________
To be accurate though, I don't really have a British mentality... Mainly because I was raised abroad.
________________________________

...(snort) too easy...

ahh, what the heck, here goes...

"sfunny, 'cause most british guys you meet, remind me of broads!! " (insert rim-shot here)

(thats right, I went there!)

(sorry mike, no harm meant, I just couldn't resist.)

[Amy Karas]

You guys crack me up. http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/biggrin.gif

[Level1]

Amazing how it looks to me that some folks are posting in here to get post points, knowing that I'm quite finished with the "beef" that the others are still griping over, while I know that I'm finished with the subject. If you don't understand me, you will never understand me. If you do understand me to some extent, then great.

I will attempt to speak basic English to those that can understand it universally. Those who were offended in the begining, shall either choose to remain in that level of thinking. Your choice. Those that have gotten over this, great.

Now, lets adjust our focus back on the art, the growth of this site, and the congenial mutual fellowship of this Community, and begin again to do what we all love: ART!

Later Peeps!

PS: And all of that other stuff in this thread. I'm over it, are you?

Laaaaayyyyyytttteeee! (Like my boy, JAKE, in the www.ROMP.COM!) (http://www.ROMP.COM!))

Level1

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[Biohaz_Daddy]

??Post points??

[dperceful]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Level1:
<B>Amazing how it looks to me that some folks are posting in here to get post points, knowing that I'm quite finished with the "beef" that the others are still griping over, while I know that I'm finished with the subject. If you don't understand me, you will never understand me. If you do understand me to some extent, then great.

I will attempt to speak basic English to those that can understand it universally. Those who were offended in the begining, shall either choose to remain in that level of thinking. Your choice. Those that have gotten over this, great.

Now, lets adjust our focus back on the art, the growth of this site, and the congenial mutual fellowship of this Community, and begin again to do what we all love: ART!

Later Peeps!

PS: And all of that other stuff in this thread. I'm over it, are you?

Laaaaayyyyyytttteeee! (Like my boy, JAKE, in the www.ROMP.COM!) (http://www.ROMP.COM!))

Level1

</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

i just don't know why i can't drop it...it's like medusa....you don't want to look but you just have to.

this has never been about you (judging by your logo signature every post is about you).....it's been about your work. you have chosen not to answer any questions posed about your work...you throw it back in my face like i have personal vendetta against you....when really all i want is an answer to my question. you continue to paint those who question your work as uneducated, grudge holding, jealous, misinformed artists. you try and humble yourself to the community of artists by saying this is petty....let's move on.....and yet you continue to post never answering the questions that have been posed to you by more than one artist.

you may think i don't understand you....and may never understand you.....and you know what...that might be true....but i'm not trying to understand you. i am just trying to understand a piece of work that is on display in the gallery.

i cannot respect a man/woman who cannot answer a simple question. so with that.....i'm just going to say it and give you the most honest UIR i have ever given.

Mc Natalieastrophe Rmx by Level1
i like the fact that you generally create some very nice clean wallpaper images...but this and the whole series is just ruined by the pseudo 3d element that has been created. if some more care was taken to that element i don't think it would look that bad. i am guessing you created the element in photoshop and then began erasing out areas to get the end result. after that you slapped on a heavy bevel and emboss and likely a drop shadow...maybe a layer style...it's hard to say without any arto note specifics. the real problem is that you have very small areas of no real detail still present within the image. they make it look messy and muddled....perhaps going over those small areas with the eraser would create a cleaner element. nice job on isolating the image and bringing it in....i don't really see any messy edges which is a sign of care taken to the image. the background is questionable...being as most of this work is cut and paste....there is no real evidence in your level of work that you could have created that, as far as i know it could be a separate image that was brought in. the recolouring...yes...the actual underlying background seems a little stretched for your skills just on the basis of what i have seen so far (not only here...but at the sites you have listed). perhaps some more in depth art notes would help...i'm not talking your verbage...i am talking a professional explaination of what steps were used to create the background. i'm sure the text is easier to read at the original size...but right now it is somewhat difficult to read being placed over the bar code element. that is one of those things that happens when the image is brought down in size. anyway...i commend you on taking on the challenge of a series of wallpapers. some further explaination of the processes used to create some elements would be greatly appreciated...as i do not like challenging an artists work.

there you go. the last line pretty much says why i wanted an answer to my question....it is very difficult for any of us to tell what elements of this piece, and the others, were actually created by you. i hate questioning someone's work...but i have given you plenty of opportunity to describe the processes that are necessary in creating the image.

again Level1, this has always been about your work....if you fail to see that, i am sorry. if you want to see my questioning your work as a personal attack on you...fine. but please note, i stated the sentence as "your work" and not "you".....please do not confuse the two...i have not.

dan

[This message has been edited by dperceful (edited 09-08-2004).]

[dperceful]

zac/essex....please post/email me if you want me to drop this....i will abide by the wishes of the forum leaders.

dan

[Biohaz_Daddy]

Dan,

Forgive me but I have to admit that I have been thoroughly entertained by your level of flabergast. You Sir are gentleman and genuinely care about this site and your involvement here, and it shows in every sylable posted. I for one hope that you continue trying to explain the obvious to the obtuse for as long as you can stand it.

Mike

[Amy Karas]

Dan, you've been respectful in every way and I agree with Biohaz_Daddy in that you truly care about the art, artists, and this site. I too was confused by Level1's art in the fact that I don't understand if he drew the characters himself. I for one think the characters look very cool and deserve props, but it's a question of who to give the props to, ya know? The little box you have to check states that all the art is yours unless stated in the art notes. Level1, ya just need some clearer art notes.

What are post points? I've been coming here for 4 or 5 years, I must have a ton of them! What do I win? Get Essex! I must have won something. http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/flash.gif

[dperceful]

thanks bio and amy.

i respect the community here very much. i try and show my appreciation to the site by doing things like uirs, awards, mentoring processes, etc. i don't do these things for me or any ego....i do them for the artists and for the site that i visit daily.


p.s.
sorry to disappoint anyone looking for a heated post. http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/smile.gif

dan

[This message has been edited by dperceful (edited 09-10-2004).]

[Amy Karas]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by dperceful:
<B>
p.s.
sorry to disappoint anyone looking for a heated post. http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/smile.gif

dan

</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

So I'm taking that to mean I don't win anything? Dang nabbit!

[LaughingBear]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Amy Karas:
So I'm taking that to mean I don't win anything? Dang nabbit!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm guessing "post points" are the Total Posts: line of our profiles, Amy, of which you have accrued 334, & while this number is high, it's nowhere near the highest, which number in the thousands. So...naturally you have yet to win a prize.

Funny thing is...for a long time...I thought this represented the amount of artwork an individual had uploaded to date. I would think to my self "my gosh, these people never sleep, or even eat or drink, I'll never measure up." Silly me, now I know better...when you reach 1000 forum 9 is open, & the matrix is revealed. The Robbo shows you the file he has on you, & you don't even need to be sworn to secrecy...you'll just wonder how they got some of those photographs. Junkyard, & B...your time is coming...trust no one... http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/cool.gif

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Commala-come-come,
The battle's now begun!
And all the foes of men and rose
Rise with the setting sun.