Superman Returns Trailer

[qwed88]

Check this out
http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=22760

[Karatekid84]

I so can't wait for thIs movie.Its gonnna rock

[jayce78]

I'm just expecting to see a good / solid Superman movie. That's it. Nothing more , nothing less . . .

Singer is an excelent director , and has a lot of passion and heart for this project. Thank God 'above that Mc.G & Rather fell through on this film. . .

It's been a long time & It's just good to see ol' blue boy take flight on the silver screen again . . .


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[The Sym]

I'm just expecting to see a good / solid Superman movie. That's it. Nothing more , nothing less . . .

Singer is an excelent director , and has a lot of passion and heart for this project. Thank God 'above that Mc.G & Rather fell through on this film. . .

It's been a long time & It's just good to see ol' blue boy take flight on the silver screen again . . .


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I agree...however... IMHO, I think Spiderman is the best comic book hero, translated to the BIG screen.... no doubt. Better than what Superman, Ghost Rider, and X-MEN III will turn out to be, and better than the previous Xmen films, Blade films, and Batman Begins....... IMHO.

[qwed88]

How the hell can you make a judgement on something you have'nt even seen yet?
Also I like the spiderman movies too, but I enjoy watching the Christopher Reeve Superman movies more than spiderman, they were just better movies, definitely allot more fullfilling.

[The Sym]

Well I'm glad someone enjoyed those films. Anyway, you missed the point. I said Spiderman is the best comic book hero TRANSLATED to film. I'm not saying Superman is sorry, weak, or is not cool. Hell, anyone who is faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than a locamotive, and is able to leap tall building in a single bound; gets my vote as COOL AS HELL. However, don't get your panties caught in a jam, because I don't think your favorite comic book hero... obviously, don't really translate well on the big screen. By all means.... let me explain.

The average everyday person(not just comic book fans) don't really relate well to Clark Kent/Superman, like they do to Peter Parker/Spiderman. Supes.... can I call him Supes... ok.... Supes is treated and is basically looked at like a god. All powerful, a do-gooder(JUSTICE, the American way)sigh, never lies or cheat, honest, a MAN's Man(Manly with a stiff upper cheek), no physical limitations much like a god... don't have to eat, is nourish by a yellow sun... don,t have to breathe, he can fly in the vacuum of space... and can't be burned and sees everything. He's truely not human... not a man. He's super human; he's SUPERMAN! Come on, no one can relate to that. Than on the flip side Clark Kent is just.... a bumbling.... naieve and trusting.... way too nice.... nerdy fool. Give me a break. Total opposite end of the spectrum. Yeah, that translate well.

PP/Spidey, on the other hand, translate well, because he face everyday problems that we all in one way or another can relate to. Unlike Supes, PP/Spidey has to eat and breathe, work for a living and not put on a front like Kent(what in the hell is he working for anyway?), going to school, taking care of Aunt May, have iffy friends, plenty of bad relationships, and oh, did I mention him having to fight villains for the most park are more stronger, powerful, and larger than he, while the public seems to not be very appreciative... unlike Supes whom everyone adores. There's no diversity with Supes. Atrue hero is one that sacrifices evrything for those regardless if they adore you or not. Supes is not human, but humanity is written all over PP/Spidey. He not only make tough decision as a superhero; but, also as a human being and in life. That's what I mean by translate well, we can relate to what PP/Spidey is going through.

As for the film itself, the synopsis is out on Supes return. There is nothing there that says this film will be any different from where it left off. It picks up really from Supes 4; but the events in this film has ties to Supes 1 & 2.... so really you can disregard 3 & 4. If you really believe that singer won't continue the say format, than you just refuse to read the synopsis, or have blind hi hopes. I'm sure the film will be pretty good, but not better than any of the Spidey flicks. Understand this.... Supes is just Sci-fi/ fantasy... Spidey is a lot more.... people relate more because it's a drama/love story as well.

Answer your question..... good. :wink:

[qwed88]

Yeah ok, anyway Superman is an American/World Institution/ICON, Spiderman I really don't see him as being as popular globally. Don't get me wrong I like him.

Superman is an archetypal character(basically Jesus Christ), that I could see surviving 100's of years. Like Hercules, Thor etc...

Do you really see Spiderman achieving such long term success as that?

[qwed88]

There is perhaps a little bit of a gray area sometimes, and that is where the good Superman stories should be told, him dealing with that greyness.

But nowadays I think we've swung to far in the other direction, Greyness has become an excuse, I just think different thats why I do these things and this makes it ok. When allot of the time there is a clear right and wrong, but most people don't have the nerve to folllow thru with what they know is right.
That is why Superman is so fun to me, he sees it clearly, there is a right and a wrong, a good and bad, allot of people tend to relate to lex luthor nowadays, but he's a snake it's clear.
Truth tends to be uncomplicated. where as moral greyness tends to leave you second guessing yourself afterwards

You know what right in wrong is, you know it in your heart, but we tend to not follow that feeling. Superman=Christ

[The Sym]

Yeah ok, anyway Superman is an American/World Institution/ICON, Spiderman I really don't see him as being as popular globally. Don't get me wrong I like him.

Superman is an archetypal character(basically Jesus Christ), that I could see surviving 100's of years. Like Hercules, Thor etc...

Do you really see Spiderman achieving such long term success as that?


What.... you don't. Of course Spiderman will achieving such long term success.... as I have said, the common person relates to PP/Spidey and his journey through everyday life more than the others.

Yes, Supes is an ICON, there's no denying that. That's not the thesis of my comments.... Spiderman simply translate better to film than any other comic book hero, because of his humanity and interaction with others... including Superman. I'm sorry, but a huge percentage of the world, not just America, but the world, don't see things the Supes does..... and he is no Jesus, Supes is more like a god, as I have said. Jesus had human faults and iniquities, he struggle with it everyday, much like we all, just a whole lot better than most obviously. Supes on the other hand, is perfect like a god, he's struggles with nothing; besides, Supes is a protector of the people, like a god, watches over his subjects. Jesus is not a protector of anyone, he's a messenger. I can't believe you don't see the comparison. Spidey is more like Jesus, cause he actually make a conservable effort to walk the walk, like most people on this planet.

Another thing is that like Jesus and Satan, Spidey has an adversary, many of them, as I have stated before, that really challenges Spidey's humanity. Supes does not have that adversary. Let's be for real, Lex and Brainiac are no real threat to Supes.... come on. They are more of a threat to humanity, and Supes, like a god, protects humanity from these evil doers, but they are no real threat to him personally. Supes other villains are galactic in nature.... we don't relate to these villains, they seem more far-fetch to us than relatable. Doomsday, Darkseid, Metallo, Gog, Mr. Mxyzptlk LOL, Toyman, Prankster, Bizarro, give me a break.

Look, I do like Superman, but you are mis-interpreting my point. Spiderman translate better to film. Which is certainly more realistic looking and feel, than a comic book or cartoon. That's why Spiderman will forever be the biggest grossing comic book film of all time.... and Supes had a 30 year head start. :wink:

[The Sym]

one word for you...... "Gullible".

check your history on the bible.

[The Sym]

OK..... and that proves what? :dunno:

[qwed88]

The sym- you have'nt actually read the bible have you?, Christ is the son, the living embodyment of God they are one in the same.
The father is the son, and the son the father, just like Marlon Brando claimed in Superman 2 claimed.

The sym- your just arguing to be arguing, Superman is better than Spiderman get over it. Both have a secret he cannot tell anyone for fear of hurting them. But Supermans is on a global basis, Spiderman has no real reason for not telling maryjane

[jayce78]

Sym . . .


You really need to check your info before you start making statement about Jesus 'the' Christ of all things mate . . .


In the Biblical Scripture (Yeshua or Jesus) is the Son of YahWeh: The God of Abraham. . . .


He was Human yes. . .

But was sinless . . .


J & J directly patterned Superman after Jesus as a Messiah like figure who came from a far off place & was above Humanity but love it so much that he became part of it and he swore to save it . . .

[The Sym]

I wasn't trying to 'prove' anything, friend. :)

I still think you've gotten some bad info about who Jesus is somewhere in your past.


You said you was going to a Seminar with such bravado, like that means something. :confused:

Anyway, you really need to research the history of the bible.... but that neither here nor there.... Spiderman translate to film better than Superman... that's my opinion, for reasons stated earlier. :cool:

[The Sym]

The sym- you have'nt actually read the bible have you?, Christ is the son, the living embodyment of God they are one in the same.
The father is the son, and the son the father, just like Marlon Brando claimed in Superman 2 claimed.

The sym- your just arguing to be arguing, Superman is better than Spiderman get over it. Both have a secret he cannot tell anyone for fear of hurting them. But Supermans is on a global basis, Spiderman has no real reason for not telling maryjane

Yes, I've read the bible. :rolleyes: I have not read it Completely... I have honestly read approx 80% of it Countless of times. However, I'm sure you've read it completely, millions of times.... which I guess makes you an authority of the bible. So I say to you, research the hisory of the bible.... there is obvious a lack of understanding in a wide range of issues pertaining to the bible.

Again, that's really neither here nor there... my statement was about the comic icons in question, translating to film, with reference to god but not about god..... that's all. Like Eldarion, I didn't mean to offend anyone, this is my observation. Not saying you or anyone in particular, but it's getting more and more difficult to discuss topics without someone taking offense or having to be politically correct.... and I care for neither one. I simply speak what I know, and know what I speak, until proven wrong.... which obviously happens.... to everyone. So NO, i'm not arguing just to be arguing gwed88, that's idioctic.... I don't do that.

Besides, this was not about who is better... I think you gotten emotional, and missed the point. Any how, disagreeing is not a bad thing. :hugs:

[jayce78]

Sym , I don't know how to put this nicley mate . . .

But . . .


YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT!!!


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[DeathScythe]

Personally, I have to agree with Sym.


Spider-Man is alot easier to identify with on a psychological basis. Here's a guy that despite putting on tights and saving the city/country/planet/galaxy countless times, he's hated and ridiculed by the public, press and probably even government.(We've all been made fun of before) He struggles to support himself financially, complains about credit card debt, small apartments and of course, his boss. He's an average everyday joe,(a nerdy one, but one nonetheless) who by night, swings from skyscrapers. While many people don't climb buildings and fight biochemists dressed like goblins, everyone knows what it's like to be the bottom rung of financial security or clinging to the second lowest rung.

Superman is an alien from a different world. He's an outsider. But unlike many outsiders, whether it be on a small scale like schoolyard groups or even different ethnical groups, outsiders are typically unwelcomed. It sucks, but it's true. Superman hasn't got that problem. He's loved around the world. and so he should. He stands for Truth and Justice. He's everything we strive to be. Which makes him iconic. In a world of comic books where, every hero(or antihero) strives to be dark and moody like Batman or Daredevil, Superman is going against the tide and it's refreshing.

But, when it comes to movies, I'm a believer that you must connect with the main character. You must understand and believe in them. Which, while Superman may be iconic and may make you wish you were as pure as him, there's not that emotional bond you can connect with. Where as, when you see Peter Parker struggling to finish his homework the night before it's due, and Doc Ock starts destroying stuff, you understand since everyone's been there, when something forces you away from that essay.

As neither a Marvel or DC fanboy, but a comics fanboy that's my two cents. :p

and while, there are lines that can be drawn between Jesus and Superman, there may also be lines drawn from Superman to God. Superman is the embodiment of all things righteous, much like the Father and the Son.

Also, just on a side note as an "outsider", it depends on which form of Christianity on whether Jesus was a "biological" son of God or God himself. I've seen it stated both ways.

[SinisterPryde]

As fascinating as this may be, I really think theology and it's relationship to comic books should be discussed in another thread. As we all know, theology is a hot topic for debate and it appearing in a thread about a Superman movie trailer is a little out of place. I'm not going to deny the religous overtones of the trailer, but I would think we could avoid the deeper signifigance of Superman's inspired origins in this thread.

I can't wait to see this film. I just hope the costume works. It's too difficult to tell from the trailer.

[jayce78]

I'm slowly getting used to to outfit . . .


Mabie Singer has a suprise or 2 in store for us? who knows?

[The Sym]

Personally, I have to agree with Sym.


Spider-Man is alot easier to identify with on a psychological basis. Here's a guy that despite putting on tights and saving the city/country/planet/galaxy countless times, he's hated and ridiculed by the public, press and probably even government.(We've all been made fun of before) He struggles to support himself financially, complains about credit card debt, small apartments and of course, his boss. He's an average everyday joe,(a nerdy one, but one nonetheless) who by night, swings from skyscrapers. While many people don't climb buildings and fight biochemists dressed like goblins, everyone knows what it's like to be the bottom rung of financial security or clinging to the second lowest rung.

Superman is an alien from a different world. He's an outsider. But unlike many outsiders, whether it be on a small scale like schoolyard groups or even different ethnical groups, outsiders are typically unwelcomed. It sucks, but it's true. Superman hasn't got that problem. He's loved around the world. and so he should. He stands for Truth and Justice. He's everything we strive to be. Which makes him iconic. In a world of comic books where, every hero(or antihero) strives to be dark and moody like Batman or Daredevil, Superman is going against the tide and it's refreshing.

But, when it comes to movies, I'm a believer that you must connect with the main character. You must understand and believe in them. Which, while Superman may be iconic and may make you wish you were as pure as him, there's not that emotional bond you can connect with. Where as, when you see Peter Parker struggling to finish his homework the night before it's due, and Doc Ock starts destroying stuff, you understand since everyone's been there, when something forces you away from that essay.

As neither a Marvel or DC fanboy, but a comics fanboy that's my two cents. :p

and while, there are lines that can be drawn between Jesus and Superman, there may also be lines drawn from Superman to God. Superman is the embodiment of all things righteous, much like the Father and the Son.

Also, just on a side note as an "outsider", it depends on which form of Christianity on whether Jesus was a "biological" son of God or God himself. I've seen it stated both ways.


:jump2: FINALLY.... someone who get it, instead of losing focus and getting emotionally side-tracked, about the religious implication discussed, which we all agree, are implied, in some degree or another, in these films.

Bless art you, DeathScythe. :hugs:

My THESIS is about the translation, and the public relating............. again. :ohwell:


As to SinisterPryde: WHY? The implications are there. You have admitted it yourself. So we are not to discuss certain issues, that are obviously incorporated into the very object(the film) at hand, because of the risk of it being a hot topic. Well, I understand the unwillingness for most people to avoid hot issues....most people are comfortable in not voicing an opinion, that will, undoubtedly, offend someone.... not saying you in particular, people in general. However, the crux or pivitol point of my statement was not religious in nature.... but was encroach upon, religiously, because of a disagreement on the path of Jesus.... again, which was not the crux of the statement. But, that's cool with me, I don't see why it's not with others.... the implications are there. Yet, I do understand..... the unwillingness. :wink:


I too, want to see a full trailer, and not a tease.

[Eldarion]

Why do you just want to argue?

[The Sym]

I'm lost...... who's arguing.....:dunno:

[qwed88]

WOW!, anyway sym, you've completely avoided the issue but whatever man you have your right to like whatever movie you want better.
I tend to like Superman a little better, and believe there is a deeper core connection to superman than spiderman.

I cannot change your mind nor do I really want to.

Now about that history of the bible bull---- how does that apply in anyway to what was being said. According to the bible Jesus is the son of God, it states that word for word!, ...Im not even a christian or anything(Im a Diest) , but how can you argue with the fact that the bible says that? I could probably point out the exact passage if you wish?!

[Eldarion]

Your too much...:lol:

[qwed88]

hehe lol:D

[SinisterPryde]

Okay, just to play along here, there are two train of thoughts (or beliefs) when it comes to the relationship between God and Jesus. On the one, he's part of the Holy Trinity (Father, Son, Holy Spirit), on the other, he is simply the Son of God, born of a mortal woman.

Just from an objective viewpoint, if Jesus were, in fact, God, then it seems a bit ludacris to pray to himself to remove his own pain. He could just do away with it himself.

As far as translations from comic to screen go, Batman Begins and The Punsiher are the most realistic. Can we relate to both of them? Yeah, I think so. Could we be either one of them? Probably not. Spider-Man, however, is two-fold. Peter Parker is the every-man, the guy we relate to because he is most like us. Spider-Man, however, is not. This is the fantasy, the day dream to get through daily life. In that aspect, it doesn't really matter who we're seeing on the screen because they are all wish fulfilment once the costume is on. Let's face it, when it comes to fantasy, I'd rather be Superman than Spider-Man. The bottom line, and my point here, is that movies are fantasy. We watch these to escape from our daily lives, to stop being the Peter Parker's of the world and see someone else save the day.

[jayce78]

:jump2: FINALLY.... someone who get it, instead of losing focus and getting emotionally side-tracked, about the religious implication discussed, which we all agree, are implied, in some degree or another, in these films.

Bless art you, DeathScythe. :hugs:

My THESIS is about the translation, and the public relating............. again. :ohwell:


As to SinisterPryde: WHY? The implications are there. You have admitted it yourself. So we are not to discuss certain issues, that are obviously incorporated into the very object(the film) at hand, because of the risk of it being a hot topic. Well, I understand the unwillingness for most people to avoid hot issues....most people are comfortable in not voicing an opinion, that will, undoubtedly, offend someone.... not saying you in particular, people in general. However, the crux or pivitol point of my statement was not religious in nature.... but was encroach upon, religiously, because of a disagreement on the path of Jesus.... again, which was not the crux of the statement. But, that's cool with me, I don't see why it's not with others.... the implications are there. Yet, I do understand..... the unwillingness. :wink:


I too, want to see a full trailer, and not a tease.



Pleasssee . . .


Stuff it somewhere!!!

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[sickness]

Honestly... you guys are still penis-waving in this thread? No wonder messageboard geeks have a bad name.

[qwed88]

Anyway this topic's pretty well done. Let's move on to another thread before it gets violent.

[The Sym]

Let's see exactly how many people relates to Supes better..... do anyone really believe Supes will beat these numbers???..... Look at the Top 20 Comicbook Films of all Time....... on right side of link. :rolleyes: :wink: :)

http://www.efavata.com/CBM/index.htm

Looks like the birth of a new American ICON. :jump2:

[qwed88]

I'm talking in long terms, but yeah it could beat it.

Let it go man

[The Sym]

:lol: ...won't even come close. :rolleyes: get over it.

[qwed88]

all right dude you got the last word, your right I'm wrong go away now

[The Sym]

Let's see exactly how many people relates to Supes better..... do anyone really believe Supes will beat these numbers???..... Look at the Top 20 Comicbook Films of all Time....... on right side of link. :rolleyes: :wink: :)

http://www.efavata.com/CBM/index.htm

Looks like the birth of a new American ICON. :jump2:


:wink:

[qwed88]

Done yet?:angry

[The Sym]

YEP.... look at the amount of views from the time I posted to now..... enough have seen the figures. Thanks for your help.... your name help bring them in. :hugs:

[qwed88]

What the *&%$! are you talking about? WOW

[Bill_the_Pony]

God, you're a twat. :)

[Bill_the_Pony]

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:)

[sickness]

Bill, that pic is fuckin' hilarious!!! The look on the pup's face is priceless as is the apparent fact that he is falling over from total surprise at the bark by the big dog!

BTW, the face on the pup looks human in certain ways and it's body looks fat cat-ish.

[DaForce]

children


Yeah, yeah, we got it the first time...you like children.



Perv.

[southpaw]

The love them and leave type huh? NICE.

[jayce78]

You meanies!!!!!

[Immortal1982]

Sorry i thought i locked this....

Nothing positive's coming out of it anyways....

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