Did anyone read the KS script?

[GRIM]

well I did, and I realy like it for the most part, I liked how it realy Skipped over the pretext and went right to the nitty gritty. sure there were some holes, it was pretty obvious that he had pulled it out of his ass in what was probabley a cupple weeks but it was pretty solid none the less.

I think if the producers of this filck had half a brain they would go with it. Get Smith on the line pay him for some remodeling work, and i bet you anything that richard donner will come running back to the superman franchise after Timeline. But thats just me.
(forgive me if I'm wrong but Richard Donner was the director for the 1979 Superman right?)

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DICK

[IronFoot2]

Well taken. But average (non superman knowing mythology and smallville watchers who just like the show and know nothing else)people will be kind of confused after we skip from him keeping his identity secret most of his life to him and Lois carrying on a relationship where she knows about his alter ego.

Yes after bastardizing one of the best Micheal Chriton books he'll come running back

[ModeMan]

Richard Donner most definately directed the first one(and second I believe). He did a brilliant job. Wonder what happened.

[The Xenos]

I remember at least skimming the Smith script. It seemed ok, but I don't think Smith is the best idea for an action movie. (Unless it's Mallrats 2: Die Hard in a Mall.) Thoguh he did use Brainiac, which is a billiant idea. Just ignore all the crap he said John Peters wanted like the imfamous gay robot sidekick.

-Xenos

[GRIM]

you know I was entertained by the gay robot, however I dont think there is a need for it.
I still belive there is no need for all the pretext aswell, everybody knows supermans origin, and those who dont probabley dont see alot of movies anyway. as for the lois knowing clark is supes, and think it would be an easy pill to swallow.

yea KS is not well known for his kickass action, but I can see him pulling it off, besides that that kinda stuff is up to the director and the guy who does the story boards right? All I'm saying is KS seams like the best canidate available to me.

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DICK

[FireStormTrooper]

No.Way. There is no way I'd want that Kevin Smith script anywhere near a producer's hands. I thought it sucked big-time. "I'm a maniac for Brainiac?" KS is seriously (and I mean SERIOUSLY) overrated as a director. He made exactly two good movies (Clerks & Chasing Amy) and everyone kisses his ass because he likes comic books.

If you want a smart AND action-packed epic, WB should go with Alex Ford's excellent script featuring Luthor and Metallo. That's the movie that should be made. No question. It is (or was) available at www.supermanhomepage.com (http://www.supermanhomepage.com) under the movies section. Go check it out and see what I mean.

[D.K.HOOD]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FireStormTrooper:
<B> He made exactly two good movies (Clerks & Chasing Amy) and everyone kisses his ass because he likes comic books.
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not everyone does. I know I don't. But you have to admit that he is easily one of the most likeable people making movies, even if he didn't like comic books.

And I wouldn't throw Clerks into his good movie column. Chasing Amy, yes, and I'd also add Dogma. Mallrats is okay too but its pretty much on par with a Farrelly Bros movie.

[norrinraad]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by D.K.HOOD:
But you have to admit that he is easily one of the most likeable people making movies, even if he didn't like comic books.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Bullseye. You just nailed his appeal. Smith has shunned that larger-than-life, deity persona that so many directors adopt, preferring instead to cultivate an Everyman image that has won him over a large fanbase. He has admitted that his films are the result of an average guy who was given the opportunity to make movies, so his fans figure that if a dude like Smith can be a director, hang with Hollywood stars and marry a beautiful woman, we all have a shot at it. As I've posted before, his films aren't my cup of tea personally but I can see why he's a cult figure. He understands his demographic perfectly and he makes movies to satisfy them, nothing more, nothing less. He's actually one crafty dude.

Having said all that thought, I agree that he's not the right guy for Superman. His specialty seems to be frat-boy humour and empathy, and I wouldn't want a Superman movie targeted towards pot smoking skater punks. I still think Superman should be approached from the same angel as the LOTR trilogy, with all the inherent wonder, majesty and grandeur those films have in spades.

[The Xenos]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by norrinraad:
Bullseye. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Speaking crappy Kevin Smith superhero ventures. Let's look at his comics. THis Guardian Devil run on DD was good, but overrated. Then his recent wordy never finished DD: Bullseye and Black Cat jsut weren't much of anything. Why expect him to do better on Superman?

You know, if JJ Abrams can stick true to the source, ignoring all thsoe things he wrote down that the studio wanted in that infamous early non-script, then I think Abrams can write a good Superman movie.

Oh and one person to stay the hell away from and makes Smith look like Shakespeare, Akiva Goldsman. The guy who did the Shumacher Bat films. For some reaosn he worked on the script for the thankfully aborted Batman vs Superman. So, for some reaosn teh studio still likes him even with Superheros. Stupid Beautiful Mind....

Oh and Mallerats is the greatest romantic movie ever. ..well.. to me at least.

-Xenos

[GRIM]

Smith makes movies that he would want to see, period. Same with his comics. I dont think Smith is overrated, nor underrated. Plus the man can tell a story.

back to his script, he seams like he whiped it out as fast as he could and made sure to put as much of the producers items in there with the space givin. all Im saying is I havent seen any better obtions out there as of yet, I like smallville ok but I dont think the writers of that show are the best for the job. Now this other guy, Alex Ford I haven't checked out but I'll be sure to.

I'm a KS fan, only because he was the first person I encounterd who was a comic geek and director, movies and comic have always been my greatest loves in this world (next to crack and hookers) so I dig the guys work, except for Jay and silent Bob Strike back, that just sucked, but come on he made it for the geeks. Gotta love the guy.

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DICK

[FireStormTrooper]

Click the link below to read the Alex Ford script on the Superman Homepage website.

http://www.supermanhomepage.com/movies/movies.php?topic=alex-ford-script

MUCH better than Kevin Smith's version, IMHO.

[GRIM]

Well we will just have to agree to disagree on this one firestorm, Im not saying its worse though, but it seams to me that it's riding on the coattails of smallville,(much like KS's rode on the death of superman deal.) however I havent gotten all the way through it, im printing it off now so I can read it when I have more time. I did like John Kents character though, reminds me of me.

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DICK

[FireStormTrooper]

"Riding the coattails of Smallville"? Afraid not. Check the date on the Alex Ford MAN OF STEEL script : 09/04/98. That's a full THREE (3) YEARS before Smallville even first aired on the WB.

[GRIM]

ok maybe so, but Im just not interested in the relationship between lana lang and superman (once again havent read the whole thng yet.) Lana represents teenage love, and for me their is very few thing less interesting than a bunch of hormonal youth bumbing into eachother and suddenley becoming infatuated by the victim of their ummm bump. I wanna know about superman, I want little to do with superboy.

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DICK

[D.K.HOOD]

I'd like to see something that was touched on in "Superman:Peace on Earth" and "Superman/Doomsday:Hunter Prey". Clark as a young boy, around 9 years old. That's when I truly believe his personality was shaped and also when he began to realize how different he was from other kids.