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The Xenos

10-08-2002, 11:55 PM

Yeah, I was hoping she was Poison Ivy. Yet I'm also gald she wasn't. I kept thinking of how Loeb has used Ivy and got excited. Anyway, that was a spicy episode. And yes, I too had to laugh a bit at how they used heat vision as a kinda euphanism. The heat effects were cool. Oh and did anyone else find it odd they had the JXL ELvis remix song when he was practicing?

Ok, tonight's ep. First, what they did with Pete was awesome. Second, what they did with Hamilton sucked. Why did they make him such a loon and bad guy?! I don't think he was such a straight laced scienist in the comic as he was in the toon, but he was never like this that I know of. Not even that bugged me. They had Hamilton on last season as a good guy. He was a little eccentric and was more of a backwoods scientist than the estabished one I knew of. PLus he was investigating the Kryptonite. I really liked that though. Then they go and destroy him basically. Bah.

Anyway, Pete was great in this. The little bits with Lana and Cloe, those were good too. The show as a character drama is supurb. It seems that Kryptonite is still the Kryptonite of this show, not just Clark.

-Xenos

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Grimlock

10-09-2002, 01:08 AM

I gotta say, the second season of this show is shaping up to kick ass. The first season was pretty good, but now that the whole "freak of the week" thing is done with, I'm digging his new powers and I think next week's episode surrounds red kryptonite.
ie: Clark becoming some biker-dude with no shame.

imported_woody

10-09-2002, 07:16 AM

With Hamilton we never saw what they did with the body. I hate to say this because it brings up a possible kryptonite story, but he could be revived by the kryptonite that has saturated his body as a villain with superhuman powers. The only reason I mention this is because I hate to lose Hamilton, he was a great character.

D.K.HOOD

10-09-2002, 08:56 PM

Are the writers trying to say that a prolonged exposure to kryptonite causes Black people to have tremors? Just asking because the same thing happened in the first season to the guy who played in the Candyman movies. Plus we didn't see anything like that with anyone else exposed to kryptonite, even the ones with krytponite tattoo's.

Actually, I think it would be more realistic if different races were affected differently; and if men were affected differently than women, just on a more consistent basis. Like the way women are more likely to get breast cancer and Blacks have a much higher rate of Sickle Cell disease than any other race. Besides, we already see how Earthlings are not affected by short-term exposure and Kryptonians are.

D.K.HOOD

10-16-2002, 08:18 PM

Man I wish Clark would just give "it" to Lana.

By "it" I mean the truth...yeah, the truth!...that's the ticket....

....the ticket to pantyland.
-D.K.HOOD

thecoolestmike

10-17-2002, 08:23 PM

The episode "HEAT" may have been the best episode of Smallville that I have seen so far. KRISTA ALLEN looked amazing and was a great guest star. I think she would make a great LOIS LANE or WONDER WOMAN in a feature film.

imported_woody

10-17-2002, 09:07 PM

thecoolestmike, I agree, I've been saying that Krista Allen is one of my top choices for Lois Lane, maybe the top choice.She looks like the comic book Lois, she would be perfect.

D.K.HOOD

10-17-2002, 10:58 PM

I say Krista Allen should play Wonder Woman and Sandra Bullock should be Lois Lane.

Kwick22a

10-22-2002, 11:53 PM

Well, tonight's episode was pretty good. Good story, good (kind of) villain, and the best part not one chunk, sliver, or pebble of kryptonite to be seen anywhere.

Would have liked a little more Chloe though.

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D.K.HOOD

10-23-2002, 07:28 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Kwick22a:
Would have liked a little more Chloe though.

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I always want a little more Chloe. Mmroowrrr!

I would like to have known what is in this "drug" that gives someone so much adrenaline that he can hold down a helicopter with his bare hands. Plus, how was he was able to knock Clark 20 feet into the air? There are steroid freaks out there that could never do that.

Even though the kid wasn't really a villain, it was a lame attempt to make him one. I would rather have seen a real child abuse story in this episode instead of young Supes vs. young Hulk.

Kwick22a

10-23-2002, 07:59 PM

It would be nice if they had an episode where Clark had to deal with a real issue like child abuse or drug abuse without involving a super villain of any kind. But I'm guessing the WB just isn't ready for it.

The Xenos

10-25-2002, 11:54 PM

I kinda agree. I wish the WB would stop wanting it's comic book based shows to be so sterotypically comic booky. I particularly dislike Birds of Prey's overuse of bad comic book supervillian sterotypes, but Smallville needs to be wary too. Some of its strongest eps were character driven. I know Superman has always been more supervillians than psycological villians and crime ala Batman, but growing up I don't see supervillians flocking to Smallville. Plus he hasn't put on the cape yet. I know X-Files sometimes used freaks of the week, but at the same time the good ones were also interesting and unique characters.

One big thing I like is the great aspect of the show about fathers and sons. I rejoiced to see John Glover now as a regular on the show playing Lex's dad. PLus, it sure is going to be interesting to see when and how they handle Jor El on the show.

-Xenos

D.K.HOOD

10-26-2002, 08:03 PM

Clark must have a homing becon inside his body or the spacecraft must somehow be able to search out Kryptonian DNA. I realized this when I asked myself why the spacecraft flew out of the shed and into the twister. It must have been looking for Clark because he went into the twister to save Lana before the ship flew in. So the million dollar question is; where is the disc to activate the spaceship? Without it, Clark will never learn who he really is.

Frostbite

10-27-2002, 10:07 PM

Search out his Kryptonian DNA? What would it've done on Krypton before the spaceship took to the skies? Went towards every single person?

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Kwick22a

10-27-2002, 11:58 PM

I think Jor-El probably programmed the ship with Clark's genetic code, I also believe the ship's going after Clark wasn't a preprogrammed thing. I'd be willing to guess that the ship has a built in AI that went off line during the crash, when the key popped out. When the ship reactivated so did the AI. It realized how much time had passed and went looking for Clark. Of course it then lost the key again, something that still bugs me cause you'd think Jor-El would have noticed a design flaw like that.

Now as for the Key, I don't think we're going to be seeing it anytime soon, or if we do it won't play as important a role as it did at the end of last season. I figure it'll be found by someone who'll pick it up, take it home, drop it on their desk and kind of forget about it. Then someday this person will learn Clark's secret, see the ship and realize what they have. I'm thinking it's either going to be Lana or Chloe. I'm personally hoping Chloe, mainly because I like Chloe and want her to be on the show more.

Now for something I'm curious about. Do you think we're ever going to see that book again, the one Papa Kent gave Clark in the first episode right before he told him about the ship in the cellar. They just kind of introduced it and forgot about it in all the Kryptonite freaks and teen angst that was going on last season. I hope they get back to that thing because I'd really like to know what it is.

Just thinking.

D.K.HOOD

10-28-2002, 06:13 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Kwick22a:
Now for something I'm curious about. Do you think we're ever going to see that book again, the one Papa Kent gave Clark in the first episode right before he told him about the ship in the cellar. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I totally forgot about that! Well, since the new promos are being so secretive we might end up finding out what that "book" is sooner than later.

Kwick22a

10-30-2002, 12:01 AM

Well, that was a pretty good episode. For the second week in a row there was no use of Kryptonite. They didn't even mention it.
The villain story seemed a little tacked on, almost as if the writers were a little worried about doing an episode without one, but the main story was pretty good and if they had skipped a villain this week I doubt I would've even noticed.
I think what I liked most about this episode was that they made the Kent's seem more like real people with regular problems, that have nothing to do with a super powered son. It was a nice character driven episode.
One thing does have me a little confused though. Is Clark on the Smallville High swim team? They kind of made it seem that way, and if that is so doesn't that count as an extracurricular activity?

Next week looks like it's going to be a good one too. An exploration of the events after the meteor strike. It looks like they are going to completely break away from the weekly mutant formula for this one. I can hardly wait.

Things they should do in future episodes:

Let us meet Pete's family. We've been hearing little things about them for a year now, I think it's time we at least see one of them.

Let us get to know Chloe a little better as a person, outside of the Torch.

Just my thoughts.

IronFoot

10-30-2002, 01:51 AM

yeah doesn't that seem strange. Chloe has been even further reduced to a detective.( hmm interesting detecitve....batman..bruce wayne)

D.K.HOOD

10-30-2002, 06:11 AM

It really seems like they are trying to keep Chloe under wraps this season so Lana can be closer to Clark. I never liked the idea of Chloe giving up on being with Clark and I wish the writers would stop treating her the way that they have this season. Most people I talk to who have seen the show or the ones I chat with on the internet like Chloe more than Lana. It seems like the writers know this and are trying to force people to care more about Lana and it's not working.

Kwick22a

10-30-2002, 05:25 PM

I think any attempt to force people to like Lana more is going to backfire. You can't force people to like someone.
I like Chloe more than Lana. I can't really explain it, but there's just something about her that shines for lack of a better word. Lana just doesn't do much for me except for occasionally piss me off. A good example of this is the episode Hug where Lana confronts Clark over his support of Kyle, and Clark says he thinks whitney went out there to do some damage. She said whitney wouldn't do that sort of thing, and Clark counters with the scarecrow incident. An excellent example of how whitney isn't really the nicest guy in the world. Then she has the nerve to say "So that's what this is about, you still haven't forgiven him yet!"
Excuse me, but why exactly should Clark forgive him? Whitney strung him up in a field, exposed to the elements, putting Clark's life at risk. I mean we know that Clark can't really be hurt by that sort of thing, except for the kryptonite, but whitney didn't. He knowingly and intentionally placed a fellow human beings life at risk. A lot of places have hazing laws because of this sort of behavior and in truth if Clark had said something or gone to the police whitney could very well have been charged with attempted murder.
Sorry to go on a rant there, but that whole thing still bugs me.
Anyway back on subject, I'm not particularly fond of Lana and you can't force me to be by taking away Chloe, who I am fond of. If they want people to like Lana more they need to give us a reason to. Find ways to make her more likable, don't just shove her down our throats and expect us to swallow instead of choke.
And for the love of creation get the girl some therapy. I know the death of her parents was terrible and traumatic, but there comes a point when grieving stops being healthy and starts getting creepy. I think she reached that point a long time ago. Hell, she should have been in therapy just because of the way her parents died.

Just my thoughts.

thecoolestmike

10-30-2002, 10:03 PM

Episode Oct 29 REDUX is the worst episode of this season and maybe the worst episode to date. Who comes up with this crap? It was somewhat of a combination of 2 of last seasons poor episodes where the old guy in a wheelchair falls into kryptonite filled water & turns young and the episode where the a fat girl becomes thin & needs to suck the fat out of other humans. How can somebody approve a script this poor and think that it will appeal to a massive audiance. Most of the first season the audiance complained about the krypto-freaks and the biggest problem with the episode Redux again was the freak villian. You would think that producers would learn their lesson about what people have a problem with and come up with better more realistic storylines that the audiance can relate to.

Frostbite

10-30-2002, 10:44 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by thecoolestmike:
Most of the first season the audiance complained about the krypto-freaks and the biggest problem with the episode Redux again was the freak villian. You would think that producers would learn their lesson about what people have a problem with and come up with better more realistic storylines that the audiance can relate to. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's why it's called "Redux". The re-did the meteor freak concept. Get it?

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imported_woody

10-31-2002, 08:13 AM

I like Chloe too, but I also like Lana. But lets not forget that in Superman lore Lana Lang is Clark Kent's high school girlfriend, not Chloe, so Clark has to end up with Lana. And he better get moving, while they never have said what grade their in or how old they are they probably only have a few years to go.

Kwick22a

10-31-2002, 03:52 PM

Actually, I don't really mind if they don't have Clark and Chloe get together. And if they want to continue with getting Clark and Lana I'm fine with that, because the truth is I think Chloe can do better. Not that I'm saying Clark isn't a good catch, it's just that when he went with Chloe to the dance it seemed like his heart really wasn't in it. And then later when Chloe said she just wanted to be friends, he agreed really quickly. I mean if he really had romantic feelings for her he would have at least asked if she was sure about just wanting to be friends, instead of just going along with it. and the thing is if they had continued trying to have a romantic relationship it would have ended badly, because eventually Clark's lack of romantic interest would have started to cause problems. They would have broken up, the friendship would've been ruined, and Chloe would have ended up being more hurt than she is now.
So Clark and Chloe should stick to being just friends, and Chloe needs to find a guy who feels the same way about her that she does about him. And when she does, if he isn't a heat sucking horn dog, insane telekinetic, or some other miscellaneous creepy mutant killer guy, Clark needs to not interfere.
Hey how about Pete? Pete's a nice guy, friendly, loyal, has his own car, and doesn't have the half ton of baggage that comes with being a displaced alien with unusual super abilities. And I think we all know Pete's got some interest in Chloe too. So how about it, give Pete a chance.

Of course if, later on in life, Chloe is still looking for someone in the costumed crime fighter market she could always move to Gotham, start writing using the pen name Vicki (can't remember how she spells it) Vale, and see about getting Batman.

imported_Thom

10-31-2002, 04:07 PM

I have a sneaking suspicion that Chloe will end up getting killed off if this show runs its course. Anybody else get that?

D.K.HOOD

10-31-2002, 07:52 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Kwick22a:
 So how about it, give Pete a chance.
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I don't want to see another show where everybody dates everybody else. If they hook up then I want Pete and Chloe to stay together and not just be part of "plot movement".

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Kwick22a:

Of course if, later on in life, Chloe is still looking for someone in the costumed crime fighter market she could always move to Gotham, start writing using the pen name Vicki (can't remember how she spells it) Vale, and see about getting Batman.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ehhhhh, that's a mighty BIG stretch there Kwick. I don't think she would go for Batman's broodiness and he seems to go for the seriously disturbed females with long legs. Now I can picture Chloe dating The Flash rather easily or, to satisfy her taste in weird, how about her hooking up with Plastic Man.

JohnJones

11-02-2002, 09:48 PM

SMALLVILLE IS ABOUT AS WELCOMING A SIGHT ON TV, AS MUCH AS A WORN OUT PAIR OF SHOES ARE.

Bradprime

11-02-2002, 10:38 PM

Where do these guys come from? Sheesh?
Here I am spending far too much time away from the message boards and you've got some guy who clearly doesn't want to be here buggin' the place.
Anyway, I just wanted to say I've really enjoted Smallville and am excited about season two. I agree that "Redux" was not the best of the lot but I don't think it's a sign of worse things to come. Yes it does seem like they are redoing the freak o' the week premise but at least now they have a multitude of subplots to keep things more than interesting enough to ignore the frailties of the major plots. I really enjoyed the fact that the "guest-villain" was played by a hometown girl, Maggie Lawson. Unfortunately the character was pretty weak. Even the fact that I am a major homer (as most of you in the DCG know) did not allow me to overlook the one-dimensional weak-as-water character Maggie was playing. Oh well. At least she is still getting some work and I look forward to her career taking off in the future. She's come a long way from afternoon local kids' shows. The main characters on Smallville however were excellently cast and the actors are far more comfortable with their roles this season. Everybody seems to be fitting in nicely. I am very glad to see the dumb-jock boyfriend replaced by the far more interesting Lionel Luthor. I think that will make for much more interesting subplots.
Season Two: So far, so good.

D.K.HOOD

11-03-2002, 09:43 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Bradprime:
Where do these guys come from? Sheesh?
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If you're referring to John Jones, he comes from a big, huge, steaming pile of....Guano!!

Grimlock

11-03-2002, 10:05 PM

Guano is bat poop. HA!

The Xenos

11-03-2002, 10:11 PM

Wow. JohnJones also puts his old shoes on top of the TV? Here I thought I was the only one. Not only do they keep the shoes warm, but I think it helps with reception. Or maybe it's just the cable box.

-Xenos

Kwick22a

11-06-2002, 03:01 AM

Well, I thought tonight's episode was pretty good. It was nice to get a little more information about what happened after the meteor strikes, the story behind Clark's mysterious adoption, and finally a clear reason behind Jonathan's hatred of the Luthor's. It makes more sense now.
One thing did bother me though, and it's something that's been getting to me for a while now. The shatter effect they've been using when Clark gets hit by something, Tonight it was the axe, I think they've been using it to much and truthfully it kind of takes away from the realism of the show.
I know they do it as a way of demonstrating to us that Clark is invulnerable, but I think it's a little unnecessary. I mean we know he can't be hurt like that. If they want to show it in a visual way I think they should do it more realistically. When someone stabs him have the knife bend or break of at the hilt where it's more likely to break. With the axe, have the wooden handle break instead of the metal blade. I think it would work better, and they could save the money, those effects cost, towards other more effect heavy episodes.

One thing I really liked about this episode was at the beginning when he was using his heat vision to make toast. I thought that was really great, because to be honest isn't that what most of us would be using heat vision for. Although I think I'd be using it more for reheating pizza than anything else.
Also imagine the amount of money Clark can save on appliances when he moves out on his own. He doesn't need a toaster, microwave, or coffee maker.

Golden Falcon

11-06-2002, 03:07 PM

What was the importance of "Madam Butterfly" playing in the background during the last scene of Last Nights Episode? You know when Lex confronts Lionel about the child that Lionel fathered.

Frostbite

11-06-2002, 03:31 PM

And who exactly is that child with Lionel in the picture at the end? And what's the point of him looking at it, as he's blind?

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Golden Falcon

11-06-2002, 04:22 PM

Forstbite,

I think he was holding alock of the childs hair.

I know it may seem like my question looks too deeply for some sort of connection however I do think that the opera playing in the background was more than just appropriate choice of a soundbed I think it probably hinted towards the direction of the story.

D.K.HOOD

11-06-2002, 06:13 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Kwick22a:
 finally a clear reason behind Jonathan's hatred of the Luthor's. It makes more sense now.
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I was thinking the exact same thing. It was like a having a moment of clarity. At first I just thought of Lionel as being amusing, and not someone you could easily hate, but now I really understand how Jonathan could feel the way he does.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Kwick22a:
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Yeah, your right. Especially about the axe because in order for it to shatter she would have be strong enough to create enough force to shatter the metal part.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Kwick22a:
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One thing I really liked about this episode was at the beginning when he was using his heat vision to make toast. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I like the new heat vision but I wonder if Clark can use it to shave like he has in previous versions of Superman. Before, when the heat came out like laser beams, he would reflect it off a mirror to shave his face. The new heat vision looks like it would melt a mirror.

Kwick22a

11-06-2002, 11:46 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by D.K.HOOD:
I like the new heat vision but I wonder if Clark can use it to shave like he has in previous versions of Superman. Before, when the heat came out like laser beams, he would reflect it off a mirror to shave his face. The new heat vision looks like it would melt a mirror.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah, I was wondering about that too. I have no idea about that. Before we kind of had an idea how his heat vision worked, but on Smallville it seems to be completely different. It does seem like it wouldn't reflect very well. It Would be neat to see Clark using it to shave at some point though, when I first saw that in the comics I thought it was so cool.
I was actually a little jealous. I mean that's got to be the closest, cleanest shave you can get. Also he again manages to save money because he doesn't have to buy replacement blades.

Frostbite

11-07-2002, 01:01 AM

I liked Lionel in the flashbacks. He was less of the whole dignified, mythology-spouting guy, and more of the naive, confused "what's wrong with his hair?" guy.

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imported_Thom

11-12-2002, 11:30 PM

SPOILERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Tonight's episode was pretty cool. I only caught the second half. But the theme of the story tonight, that even Clark must learn to accept loss, was touching. The foreshadowing of Lex's future was a little too obvious, but still makes for some wonderful irony. I can't believe they've actually got me wishing & hoping he doesn't turn bad, even though I know damn well he will become a rat bastard by the time all is said & done.

The absence of kryptonite (at least in the second half... was there any in the first?) was nice, too. Seems they're listening better about Smallville than they are about BoP.

Kwick22a

11-13-2002, 12:08 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Thom:

The absence of kryptonite (at least in the second half... was there any in the first?) was nice, too. Seems they're listening better about Smallville than they are about BoP.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nope, no Kryptonite to be seen anywhere in this one. But I have a bad feeling that it may be showing up again next week.

This was a good episode. I almost started crying at the end, and this was a very important lesson for Clark to learn. Sometimes no matter what you do, you can't save everyone.

Now here's what I'm curious about: What is Martha's secret? I have a suspicion, but I'm not going to say what it is because it goes against what we know about the Kents.

Also a good omen for the future. Lana living with Chloe might mean more Chloe in future episodes. I can hope.

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D.K.HOOD

11-27-2002, 04:00 PM

This weeks episode had some cool parts to it but there's still that lame predictability factor that the show has. I could see how the whole wolf thing was going to unfold less than half way through the program. I wish they had kept that girl around a few more episodes to make things interesting.

I really liked how the episode hints that a Kryptonian (or someone who has been to Kryton) visited Earth 500 years ago. It seems logical to me that someone from Krypton had visited Earth. Why else would you send the last survivor of your world to a planet that nobody else has visited?

imported_woody

11-28-2002, 01:36 PM

I agree it was a good episode, but I too figured out that it was the girl who was behind it all. I also knew the minute she found out Clark's secret that she was a goner. Everyone shouldn't feel too sorry for her, remember she was a murderer. Next week is a rerun, bummer. Most tv shows show nothing but reruns the whole month of December, I guess they figure we are all so busy Christmas shopping that we don't have time to watch tv, so they don't want to waste a first run episode.

Kwick22a

01-23-2003, 04:20 AM

So now Martha has two secrets she's keeping from Jonathan and Clark. The first is the one Ryan discovered awhile back, that we still don't know what it was. Although I think most people, myself included, figured she was pregnant. That seems a little unlikely now though.
The second is the ship's key in the flour tin. This one I think I have an explanation for. I think that Martha is afraid that if they power up the ship then it's going to lead to Clark returning to where ever he came from. Something that Martha just can't stand to have happen, and I really can't blame her for feeling that way. However I do think the flour tin was not the best choice of hiding place. I mean think about it Mother's day or Martha's birthday Clark wakes up early and decides to make mom breakfast. And what's a nice breakfast that you can't screw up to badly. Pancakes. If Clark finds that key before Martha decides to tell him there's going to be one heck of a fight on the old Kent farm.

Another thing I think it's safe to assume at this point, is that Clark's ship has a functioning AI inside of it. And it's capable of knowing if Clark is in serious danger and taking action to help him. I still find Kryptonian technology amazing though. Jor-El could build a ship that can travel vast interstellar distances, has a functioning AI, and can change the basic molecular structure of a radioactive isotope making it completely harmless but it can't take a hard impact with the ground or a lightning strike without popping it's key. I don't know what quality control standards they had on Krypton but around these part I believe that would be considered a somewhat serious design flaw. And I'll say it again, it's a good thing Clark didn't bump into anything on the way here or else he would have been royally screwed.

Now here's something to ponder. Just how did Lionel get a hold of the ship's key. I mean it came out in the middle of a tornado and could've landed anywhere, heck it didn't even have to come down in Smallville. It could've been lifted way up in the air and come down four towns over. Seems a little far fetched that even a man with the resources Lionel has could have found it so quickly. Here's my theory: I don't think it's the same disk. I think it's a similar disk that another kryptonian lest behind a long time ago. It was probably down in the caves, most likely in that octagonal slot that was carved in the wall. When they were doing surveys of the area, before they started to do construction, they found it and brought it to Lionel. And he's been keeping it safe until he finds the ship again. Just my theory.

Finally let's all have a moment of silence for poor Whitney. He got dumped and blown up all in one season. Hopefully where ever he is he's at peace and he's with his father and the dozen or so trucks he brutally murdered last season. Actually it might be better if the trucks aren't there. They're probably really pissed.
Oh who am I kidding. We'll see Whitney again when he comes back as a kryptonite energized zombie obsessed with Lana. It could happen.

Oh yeah, did anyone else get a big kick out of seeing the Daily Planet building. I was hoping they were going to have the globe on top, and I guess I got my wish.
A couple of things that diaspointed me about this episode. No Pete or Chloe, but it's ok because there really wasn't a place for them in the story. Even Lana didn't have much to do this week. Also I wasn't very thrilled with how they did Maggie Sawyer. I'm not sure exactly what it was, but it just didn't feel right. It's probably just me though.

Frostbite

01-23-2003, 04:34 PM

Notice how Lex knew who Maggie was? Like he'd run into her before because of all the crimes he's commited (or he met her at the local gay bar)?

kvdp_blade

01-23-2003, 05:15 PM

Ya I also thought Martha was pregnant and good idea on why martha hide the Spaceship key. I couldn't come up with any reason why should would hide it except for that because of the recent fight she had with Johnathon she might have been afraid they would fght over what to do with the key.

Oh ya and I got a big kick out of seeing the Daily Planet. What a treat it was seeing Metropilis.

D.K.HOOD

01-23-2003, 06:58 PM

Damn, I didn't even realize that was Maggie Sawyer until now. I didn't hear the name cuz I was so caught up in the drama and plus Maggie has short blond hair in the comics while the actress had dark hair that was down to her shoulders. I guess I should have realized since the actress was playing kind of butch.

Here's my theory on the spaceship being advanced and yet easily damaged. It didn't escape the blast of Krypton's explosion completely and was damaged already before getting to Earth. And I think there had to be a wormhole opened up in order for the ship and the meteors to make it to Earth at the same time.

Kwick22a

01-23-2003, 11:31 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by D.K.HOOD:
Here's my theory on the spaceship being advanced and yet easily damaged. It didn't escape the blast of Krypton's explosion completely and was damaged already before getting to Earth. And I think there had to be a wormhole opened up in order for the ship and the meteors to make it to Earth at the same time.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I like that theory. It makes sense. Clark's ship was launched at literally the last minute it's more than likely that it would have been close enough to Krypton to get hit by the resulting shock wave which would have defiantly damaged the ship. I don't think it really matter's how well built something is, when it comes to getting hit by a planet something is probably going to break. The ship's guidance system probably took a hit too, that would explain why it didn't make a controlled atmospheric entry or landing.
I think you're probably right about Jor-El using a wormhole (preexisting or artificially generated) to get Clark to Earth as quickly as possible. I mean he wouldn't have wanted him out in space for to long, who knows what or who he might have run into on the way. It's also pretty much the only way the meteoroids could have stayed right around Clark's ship. During a flight through normal space the rocks would have been pulled away by the gravity of things they passed. Planets, stars, black holes. Plus the ship would have occasionally had to have made course corrections to avoid things that might cause damage to the ship or Clark and it's doubtful that it would have enough gravitational pull to change the course of all those meteoroids. Unless it uses some type of gravity propulsion drive, but even then it shouldn't have been putting out enough waste gravity to pull all of the rocks.

I was going to mention something else here, but I can't remember what it was. Maybe it'll come back to me later.

imported_Thom

01-25-2003, 09:46 PM

Or perhaps the Kryptonions use some sort of technology similar to warp drive in Star Trek. The meteoroids could have been trapped within the bubble of the warp field and followed along the entire flight. Of course, this would assume that the Kryptonian warp field would be considerably larger in proportion to the craft than those of Federation ships. And maybe that explains the damage too... perhaps there was a warp core breach. That always happens on Star Trek.

And I'm talking out of my ass at this point.

Frostbite

01-26-2003, 12:02 AM

Wait: Krypton exploded when Clark was a baby. When he arrived on Earth, he was around 3 years old, meaning that

1. No wormhole was used.
2. Krypton is 3 light years away.
3. The spaceship has some sort of yolk sac in it that fed Clark during the three year voyage, otherwise he would've starved to death.

D.K.HOOD

01-26-2003, 12:28 AM

Well we didn't see Krypton explode in Smallville so there's no telling how old Kal-El was when he was put into the ship. But assuming that he was an infant, there's plenty of possible explanations for his aging to a toddler. There could be a maturation chamber inside the ship to artifically age Clark. After all a toddler is a little less vunerable than an infant. Also, all sorts of things can happen traveling through time and space. It's fantasy/sci-fi, think outside the box.

Kwick22a

01-29-2003, 12:23 AM

Ok so last year we had Bad Lana, Bad Jonathan, and a little bit of Bad Pete. So far this year we've had Bad Clark, and next week Bad Clark returns and teams up with Bad Chloe and Bad Pete.
Now here's what I think should happen next year. They should expose Lex to something that turns him into Hippy Lex. Bet you didn't see that one coming, but just think about it. He could wear tie-dye clothes, give up his money, the cars, and the mansion move out into the woods, commune with nature, and make picture frames out of corn husks.
In the same episode they could expose Lionel to something that turns him into Ward Cleaver.
Ok that was a joke, but seriously it seems a little early to be having Clark go bad again, especially if they're using red Kryptonite to do it. I mean they finally have things between him and Lana settled down, do they really have to stir up the negativity.
Also I'm starting to feel a little guilty about all they complaining I did last season over how little Pete got to do in each episode. I mean it's great that he gets more lines and all, but I'm starting to wonder if he's going to survive the season. So far he's been kidnapped, almost injected with Kryptonite juice (and making that stuff must have been hard on the juicer), he was thrown through a windshield, had his arm broken, I think he had a concussion from that same windshield incident, I'd be willing to bet he got one when Tina Greer threw him into the locker, and now this week his car blew up and he almost went with it. It's like everything has decided that since they can't hurt Clark whoever is standing right next to him is fair game.
Or maybe it's Whitney's fault. Last year he was the one who had all the bad luck. Lost a scholarship, his father, and dozens of trucks. When he left the show his screen time and lines were left behind and probably given to Pete. What no one realized was that screen time is cursed, saturated with Whitney's horrible luck. So now Pete is doomed to suffer curse of Whitney. But on the bright side, despite the fact that Whitney has left the show and the character is dead, I can still blame him for things. All is right in the world again.
Damn you Whitney!
As for tonight's show, it's not one of my favorites. It wasn't a particularity bad episode, but it really didn't do anything. A couple of plots got pushed forward, we gained a little background on a couple of characters, and we got rid of Ethan. Otherwise it wasn't an important episode. Bring on Bad Chloe!

(Sorry if I babbled on for to long. I've got a wicked headache right now and it's a bit hard to focus.)

D.K.HOOD

01-29-2003, 07:25 AM

I thought it was a good episode but I was really thinking Lex might pull the plug on his dad in the hospital, or at least get his doctor girlfriend to do it. I agree, it does seem too early to bring back 'Bad Clark', unless he's faking it somehow to save Pete and Chloe.

Shani

01-29-2003, 12:36 PM

Now I would watch for more bad Clark. That was good stuff there. But in all honesty, I don't think this season is half as good as it was last year. It seems the writers have gotten lazy and cheesy. They end certain things to quickly-I mean I know this is Superboy here, but they need more tension (more than the Lex/Clark relationship since everyone knows that eventually goes down the drain every scene they play together, I'm always looking for something LOL). But that's it on the tension front. No Whitney (I think killing Whitney off was a bad idea...his potential presence should have remained). Chloe and Lana are all buddy buddy though they both have feelings for Clark. (I don't need them to have cat fights, but some tension please). And Lana, I like Lana, but I have the same problem with her that I started to have with Lois in the comics...she might as well just where a "trouble come to me" sign on her back.

The best scenes (aside from Lex/Clark) are from the "secondary" of Lex and Daddy Luthor. But Daddy Luthor is so obviously bad, and Lex leans that way more and more...then you have the "perfect" Kent family across the town. Too predictable.

And don't get me started on Jonathan Kent...that man gets more and more intolerable IMO.

Anyway :-) I think that Smallville started out as a surprisingly (for me) good show, that has gone down the tubes lately. They are relying too much on the hottness of their lead actors, and perhaps the long term effects of everyone's relationships (which used to be a good thing). But the execution week by week, episode by episode, needs to get better.

Shani

D.K.HOOD

01-29-2003, 01:06 PM

Actually I think this has been a great season so far, but I will agree with you on the fact that certain things are resolved way too quickly in the show. I mean, how many times can we see Clark save the day and then in the very next scene he's sitting in the barn reading a book or in the kitchen with his parents. Don't they have a legal system in Smallville? Where are the judges and lawyers? The cast of Smallville must have been witnesses to about 20 or 30 criminal cases by now. Maybe they should do a crossover episode with "The Practice".

Frostbite

01-29-2003, 03:28 PM

I can't believe they would do something like that to Ethan! He was one of my favorite recurring characters, and they had to go and criminal him out! That's what freak of the weeks are for, not happy shmappy recurring characters! Oh, the humanity of it all!

Shani

01-29-2003, 07:46 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by D.K.HOOD:
Actually I think this has been a great season so far, but I will agree with you on the fact that certain things are resolved way too quickly in the show. I mean, how many times can we see Clark save the day and then in the very next scene he's sitting in the barn reading a book or in the kitchen with his parents. Don't they have a legal system in Smallville? Where are the judges and lawyers? The cast of Smallville must have been witnesses to about 20 or 30 criminal cases by now. Maybe they should do a crossover episode with "The Practice".<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL, at the very least people from "real" non-high school newspapers should be camped out there :-) Think of the goldmine of seemingly untapped material.

Darth_zaiyen

02-04-2003, 10:19 PM

Anybody watch tonight's episode? Frankly, I think it wins my award for "Worst Episode Ever".

There was just SOO MUCH wrong with this episode that I don't know where to begin! Though one thing that really got me was the end where Pete and Chloe got amnesia and remembered nothing from the past fews days. I did like the last scene with Lex though...

Frostbite

02-04-2003, 10:24 PM

"What is your fascination with this boy?"

Classic.

Kwick22a

02-04-2003, 11:26 PM

What I didn't like about this episode was that it was basically a rehash of what happened in Red.
Clark gets affected by red kryptonite and it screws up his relationship with Lana. They just recently managed to get Clark and Lana to a good stable place, and now we're right back where we were at the begining of the season. Lana doesn't trust Clark and he has to win her trust back all over again. It was way to soon for them to do this. The writers should have let them build a relationship, before blowing it all to hell.
Well, here's hoping next week is better. And remeber next month Christopher Reeve.

Oh, and it would be nice if they stopped using Chloe as an emotional punching bag. It's really starting to make me feel bad.

Kwick22a

02-05-2003, 01:28 AM

And Nicodemus. It had a lot in common with that episode. Basically tonights episode was a frankenstien's monster. A new episode made of parts of old episodes.

Frostbite

02-05-2003, 03:38 PM

Well, the ending was really annoying. Sleep with him already, Lana! Get this over with! You're disrupting continuity with your little emotions! Ugh!

kvdp_blade

02-05-2003, 06:15 PM

I may be wrong here but dosn't red Kryptonite affect Clark in random different ways. If so why did they have it turn them bad twice.

D.K.HOOD

02-05-2003, 07:01 PM

Well I thought the story was lame but the dialogue and performances were great. Especially Chloe and Pete's.

"Translate this. Kiss...my...ass"-Chloe. I loved that line.
Pete can really play crazy when he has to. I thought this was his best performance yet.

The ending really sucked ass and I am so sick of Lana getting her feelings hurt. I mean how stupid can she be? Clark tells her Pete's sick and yet she believes Pete when he is acting crazy and laughing in her face. And then when she finds out that Pete and Chloe were infected with a parasite she still stays mad at Clark. The writers are dragging this out too long and they are really getting lazy now. Clark catches a damn car and then the scene jumps immediately to Chloe in the hospital after surgery. What happpened in between? Pete still had a chunk of Kryptonite that he could have used on Clark. Maybe the director cut something to fit the show into an hour, I don't know, but that was worthy of a Birds of Prey moment.

Frostbite

02-05-2003, 07:21 PM

Kwick22a

02-05-2003, 07:26 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by kvdp_blade:
I may be wrong here but dosn't red Kryptonite affect Clark in random different ways. If so why did they have it turn them bad twice.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You're not wrong. Every timeSuperman is exposed to the red stuff it's supposed to affect him in a different way. Also once he's been exposed to one piece of red Kryptonite, that one piece isn't supposed to be able to do anything to him again.
I think the writers probably want to keep things more simple and straight forward on the show. Green damages his body, Red damages his mind. Personally I'm not happy with the change. I would have preferred it if red did something different every time, physically and mentally. I mean imagine an episode where he loses all coordination and becomes a complete klutz. Or one where he gets exposed and loses his ability to lie, that one could be really funny.

That's something else I'd like to see them do on the show. So far the show has been very serious and angsty (is that a word?) they need to lighten things up a little, have an episode that's just kind of fun. Not every week has to be a life or death struggle, or battle to win the girl of his dreams. That's what I was really hoping for with the red Kryptonite, just a little wackiness. But so far the two episodes that have had RK have done nothing but make me feel bad, and now I honestly hope it never shows up again.

Finally, the other day I was thinking and so far on the show they've celebrated Lana's birthday, and the Kent's anniversary twice. Are they ever going to have Clark's birthday on this show? He is the main character on the show, and he has saved the lives of all the other main characters more than once. Give the dude a party! Lana got a huge party at the Luthor house on her birthday, doesn't Clark deserve a shindig as big or bigger. Heck, I'd settle for Pete and Chloe dragging Clark to Metropolis for some fun and hi jinks. He is the hero of the show after all.

ali786

02-06-2003, 06:58 AM

reasons to watch Smallville:

-Kristin Kreuk (drool)
-Alison Mack (drool2)

Darth_zaiyen

02-06-2003, 07:10 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Kwick22a:
Or one where he gets exposed and loses his ability to lie, that one could be really funny.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That would've been funny on the "Heat" episode with Krista Allen. Then they could've reinacted that whole Jim Carry- Liar Liar- Elevatore scene. "Mama!"

Kwick22a

02-11-2003, 11:24 PM

Well, I don't know about anyone else but for me this week's episode makes up for last week. It was nice having an episode that focused on the Luthor family, and was even nicer having a week off from Clark and Lana's "relationship." Sure there was a little of it there, but it didn't overwhelm the entire episode, like it has in the past.
I think my favorite part was when Lucas threw the ball at Lionel. I've been waiting for someone to do that for months. And I guess Clark is now officially faster than a speeding bullet.

D.K.HOOD

02-12-2003, 01:42 AM

This gets my vote as best episode of the year. I had a feeling that Lionel would be caught faking his blindness sooner or later, he's such a rat. I was a little confused though, when exactly did Lex get the his brother back on his side? Was it after Jonathan got knocked out or before?

Kwick22a

02-12-2003, 04:50 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by D.K.HOOD:
This gets my vote as best episode of the year. I had a feeling that Lionel would be caught faking his blindness sooner or later, he's such a rat. I was a little confused though, when exactly did Lex get the his brother back on his side? Was it after Jonathan got knocked out or before?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think it was probably after Jonathan got knocked out, but it's not really all that clear. Then again things are rarely clear when it comes to the Luthors and when you put three of them in the same room together it just makes things worse.

Kwick22a

02-19-2003, 02:17 AM

Well, there was lot to like about tonights episode: Martha's pregnant, they got the ship working, and Chloe told Clark exactly how she feels. Ok he was unconscious at the time, but I say it still counts. It's more than Lana has done. And speaking of Lana, she's starting to get on my bad side again. She now knows, without any hint of doubt, exactly how Chloe feels about Clark and what does she do? She starts putting the moves on him right in front of Chloe. This just pisses me off.
However Lana's behavior isn't the thing that really rubbed me the wrong way tonight. It was the product placement. Over the course of the show I've come to accept a certain amount of product placement on the show, as far as the music goes. Most of the time I didn't mind it at all, and sometimes I actually liked it. I mean if there was a song on the show I liked all I would have to do is wait till the end of the show and they would tell the name of the band and the album and then I can go find it. I even accepted it when bands would appear on the show, Remy Zero at the dance for example, because it usually fit in with the events of the show. But what they did tonight just bugs the hell out of me. Actually bringing the soundtrack out on the show like that. It wasn't subtle, it didn't have anything to do with the plot, it was an advertising sledgehammer that they just hit me with right when I was feeling happy and comfortable. I hate it when networks do that, and it was the network. The writers and actors have no share in the blame, it was all the WB's doing and everyone else just had to go along. Now that I have complained about it I will speak of it no more, until they do it again and then somebodies getting a hippo.

Still it was a good episode, I'm happy, and it's starting to feel like the bad episode two weeks back never happened. Now I must go. I'm making plans to move to Smallville and open a car dealership. That place is a gold mine for an automobile supplier.

D.K.HOOD

02-19-2003, 09:07 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Kwick22a:
It was the product placement. Over the course of the show I've come to accept a certain amount of product placement on the show, as far as the music goes. Most of the time I didn't mind it at all, and sometimes I actually liked it. I mean if there was a song on the show I liked all I would have to do is wait till the end of the show and they would tell the name of the band and the album and then I can go find it. I even accepted it when bands would appear on the show, Remy Zero at the dance for example, because it usually fit in with the events of the show. But what they did tonight just bugs the hell out of me. Actually bringing the soundtrack out on the show like that. It wasn't subtle, it didn't have anything to do with the plot, it was an advertising sledgehammer that they just hit me with right when I was feeling happy and comfortable.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Everything you said is true, however there was a press release almost a month ago saying that the soundtrack (talon remix) was going to appear on the show as part of the story. Still, it was a low point. I don't understand what Pete was doing there in the first place. It looked like he was doing some DJ stuff while the band was still playing. I didn't hear any Sugar Ray type mixing in the song that they were doing so that just seemed out of place to me.

Black_Alchemy

02-19-2003, 10:26 AM

Gee...there's no secrets left. Martha's little secrets are now in the open. Bad guy Luthor really isn't blind? Missed that episode.

I like the show but this Lana/Cloe/Clark thing is getting ooooolllllldddddd. If the writers aren't careful, they will burn everyone out. How many times can we see Cloe get the shaft or Lana catch Clark in a compromising position? If they don't watch out, no one will care anymore.

Personally, Lil Lana has burned out her welcome. I've had enough of her. After the performance by Cloe this week, I really think
Clark should go for that hot stuff. Couldn't help but check out that cleavage when she was reading the letter to Clark. When the series began I didn't give her much thought, but after two seasons, she's been growing on me.

We all know he'll wind up with Lois. But who's to say he can't have some early relationships. We have all had them before we've found the love of our lives (and some out there are still in that position). It's about time Clark settled on one girl and has a good relationship. A season or two of them together all hunky dory, then the writers can slowly break them apart. But at least for a short time, we can all enjoy their relationship and the troubles that gets them into.

Let's face it, Clark is going to tbe influenced by Cloe, why else wind up in Metropolis as a reporter? They can build on that, with Cloe being a 'teacher', showing Clark the way.

I don't know. All I know is when Lana cries, I don't give a shit. When Cloe cries, I feel for her.

kvdp_blade

02-19-2003, 02:01 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Black_Alchemy:

Let's face it, Clark is going to tbe influenced by Cloe, why else wind up in Metropolis as a reporter? They can build on that, with Cloe being a 'teacher', showing Clark the way.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thats a good point and a good idea.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Black_Alchemy:

I don't know. All I know is when Lana cries, I don't give a shit. When Cloe cries, I feel for her.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I feel the same way.

Frostbite

02-19-2003, 03:07 PM

And is it just me, or did they make Helen too big a character on the show? She knows Clark's secret! One of the first noncast members they didn't kill off for that.

[This message has been edited by Frostbite (edited 02-19-2003).]

Black_Alchemy

02-20-2003, 01:48 PM

Frostbite,

Helen is only aware that Clark's blood is...
funky. She doesn't know anything else about him. What amazes me is that the only one effected by the ship was Ma Kent. I think everyone caught in that flash of light that needed some healing should have been healed. So all the patients at the hospital should have jumped to their feet.

This of course, would have drawn in the Vatican to investigate this miracle and we'd have the Church after Clark too. Not to mention the hundreds of thousands of pilgrims showing up in Smallville hoping to be cured of their ailments. *LOL*

Darth_zaiyen

02-20-2003, 04:12 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Black_Alchemy:
What amazes me is that the only one effected by the ship was Ma Kent. I think everyone caught in that flash of light that needed some healing should have been healed. So all the patients at the hospital should have jumped to their feet.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I missed the most recent episode, so forgive me if I'm wrong or mistaken, but I don't think the ship would've "healed" everyone, but rather it neutralized the krytonite in their system (I believe the dust was kryptonight based, no?) must like it did with Lana's necklace when the lesbian shape-shifter tied it around his neck.

Frostbite

02-20-2003, 04:19 PM

Smallville Ledger (http://www2.warnerbros.com/web/smallville/ledger/article.jsp?id=sv_vol65_iss06_1) says Nurse Diana Lee assisted Dr. Bryce and said she witnessed the same bright light. "It was like staring at the sun, but everywhere," stated Miss Lee. "And then the patient opened her eyes, like she just woke up." The nurse added that she had been in a bad car accident the week before, leaving Lee's neck in a great deal of pain. "About the same time the patient regained consciousness, I noticed my neck stopped hurting," she said.

D.K.HOOD

02-20-2003, 06:18 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Frostbite:
Smallville Ledger (http://www2.warnerbros.com/web/smallville/ledger/article.jsp?id=sv_vol65_iss06_1) says Nurse Diana Lee assisted Dr. Bryce and said she witnessed the same bright light. "It was like staring at the sun, but everywhere," stated Miss Lee. "And then the patient opened her eyes, like she just woke up." The nurse added that she had been in a bad car accident the week before, leaving Lee's neck in a great deal of pain. "About the same time the patient regained consciousness, I noticed my neck stopped hurting," she said. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well damn, and I liked Darth's explanation. See, now they went and left another damn plot hole out there at the end of an episode. It seems like they've leaving loose ends all season just so they can cram a whole bunch of stuff into 1 hour episodes every week. Another thing that bugged me was that Pete was stopped by the military in a truck that I believe belonged to the Kents, and nothing happened to him?! I'd sooner believe a man can fly than expect him not to be at least interrogated for a few hours.

Note to Smallville producers:you can do two-part episodes!!!

IronFoot

02-20-2003, 08:06 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Black_Alchemy:
 Frostbite,

I think everyone caught in that flash of light that needed some healing should have been healed. So all the patients at the hospital should have jumped to their feet.

This of course, would have drawn in the Vatican to investigate this miracle and we'd have the Church after Clark too. Not to mention the hundreds of thousands of pilgrims showing up in Smallville hoping to be cured of their ailments. *LOL*<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

And that investigation would make Smallville a tabloid hotspot. That just needed to be investigated by a friend of Lex Luthors name Bruce Wayne.

IronFoot

02-20-2003, 08:07 PM

sonofconfused

02-22-2003, 02:01 PM

I can't wait until Tuesday!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Chistopher Reeves will be on Smallville!!!!!!!!!! Can you believe it!!!???

My only hope is that later on he will be made an ongoing cast member. I also wonder if Martha has a past with his character. Seeing that Anette O'Tool and Reeves played opposite eachother in Superman I and III, it would be like a reunion of some sort.

And it doesn't stop there folks. Did you know that Reeves was hired on as creative consultant for the upcoming Superman film?

Double yeah!

BLUE WOLF

02-23-2003, 11:47 PM

i agree with plot hole problem, i think smallville should say goodbye to all these episodes where clark saves the day, they take the fun out of a solid dramatic series

D.K.HOOD

02-25-2003, 05:57 PM

I just watched the previews of tonight's episode on aol. Looks like its going to be pretty character driven, which is a good thing. Apparently Christopher Reeve's character knows Clark's secret but they didn't show a clip explaining how he found out.

dobie24

02-25-2003, 10:55 PM

Smallville is great! I would rather watch Smallville over any reality show. By the way the reality shows suck big weeniers. Also, on a side note, not that is matters a whole hell of a lot, but I went to high school with Lex Luthor(Michael Rosenbaum).

Frostbite

02-25-2003, 11:10 PM

Know anything tabloid-worthy about him?

ModeMan

02-26-2003, 02:27 AM

Or just anything cool about him? Or did you just bump his shoulder in the hall once?

And I'm the 100th poster on this topic!

Hoorah!

trapdinsteel

02-26-2003, 10:57 AM

First off let me say that tonights episode was outstanding, the John Williams music, Clark hearing about Krypton, the appearance of Christopher Reeves, and the little twist at the end. All done beautifully. Secondly i have a growing feeling that Chloe is going to kick the bucket soon. Now hear me out, what better of a way to get Clark more interested in journalism then by having him carry on the torch for a friend who passed away. And with her gone we will finally see an end to this whole Clark/Lana/Chloe love triangle. Also i was reading spoilers that Lois is going to be Chloe's cousin so what if Clark and Lois meet for the first time at Chloe's funeral. And finally everyone always asks "I wonder what Clark is going to do to Lex that pushes him to the dark side?" Well maybe Clark somehow would blame Chloe's death on Lex and completely shut him out leaving Lex pissed off because his one attempt at true friendship went by the wayside. Just some thoughts on the matter.
OOOh one other thing that i almost forgot about i loved how Christopher Reeves said to Clark to think of him "As just a Friend" Just like he said to Lois(Margot Kidder) in the first Superman movie.

dobie24

02-26-2003, 06:44 PM

Know anything tabloid-worthy about him?

Or just anything cool about him? Or did you just bump his shoulder in the hall once?

He did play Vince Fontaine of "Grease" for our school play. Sorry! That's about it. Our school had approximately 1600 students. It is somewhat of a big school. I was a freshman and he was a senior. I really didn't know the guy. I do have an old yearbook picture of him. However, everybody that I have talked to have said that Michael Rosebaum is as genuine as you get. That is truly hard to believe knowing that he plays Lex Luthor (Ha,Ha). His mom wrote an article about him sometime last year about his career. She basically talked how hard he has worked to get where he is now. It was a neat article. I just think it was neat that I went to school with Lex Luthor. He has portrayed Lex very nicely in his younger years. He also has done a nice job with the voice recordings of the Flash on the Justice League. I with Michael the best of luck.

ModeMan

02-27-2003, 03:38 AM

My favorite Rosenbaum role is still Goul from Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker. I love that Christopher Walken impression.
Ok, I like him as Lex better, but he does a lot of great voice work. Having worked on the Superman animated series in the past, I wonder if he took any cues on playing Lex from Clancy Brown. It would make sense since he and Clancy have been about the only two actors to ever portray Lex right. Both are great.

D.K.HOOD

02-27-2003, 09:43 AM

Gene Hackman did a wonderful job too, its just that the first two Superman films were made when Lex was a mad scientist and evil genius in the comics. The reserved, scheming business man trying to take over the world didn't appear until they revamped Superman in the 80's.

JohnJones

03-20-2003, 09:05 AM

Smallville is small all right.

It is a show about nothing.

Kwick22a

03-20-2003, 12:19 PM

I only have to words to say in response to JohnJones.

Fudge Rabbit. Yeah I said it! What are you gonna do about.
Fudge Rabbit. There I said it again. Here look I'm going to use a smiley http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/crazy.gif I never use smilies in my posts, but hey here's another one http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/tongue.gif .
What the heck is going on here? This does not make sense! Some guy comes in and starts bashing my favorite show, and this is how I react. Ladies and Gentlemen of this supposed forum, this does not make sense. Here look at the monkey.

The truth is this is all just a bunch of nonsense, because that's all JohnJones's posts deserve anymore. He doesn't like Smallville. Heck from the sound of things he doesn't like anything, and you know what? I don't care he can dislike anything as much as he likes, and complain as much as he likes, because in the end it won't make any difference.
I like Smallville, a lot of people like Smallville. It's ratings are up, and it ain't going anywhere.
My other theory is that JohnJones is actually Whitney Fordman, and he's all pissy because he got kicked off the show and then blown up.

Now, who wants to talk about why Chloe is better than Lana?
One more for luck. http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/silentbob.gif

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D.K.HOOD

03-20-2003, 01:22 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by JohnJones:
Smallville is small all right.

It is a show about nothing.

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That was Seinfeld, you're at the wrong message board. Next time take a left at Albuquerque.

Frostbite

03-20-2003, 02:59 PM

http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/crazy.gif

That's such a funny emoticon.

Anyway, at least John didn't say he hated it like he usually says.

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norrinraad

03-20-2003, 03:27 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by D.K.HOOD:
That was Seinfeld, you're at the wrong message board. Next time take a left at Albuquerque.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/biggrin.gif http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/tongue.gif

The Xenos

03-20-2003, 04:13 PM

Whaaaat is up with this Kryptonite? I mean I understand the glowing, but making mutants? What is up with that?! And this whole meteor thing... yadda yadda yadda.

Hurm.. I wonder what Seinfeld thinks of Smallville, being a Superman freak and all. Wonder if he'd ever cameo.

-Xenos

Darth_zaiyen

03-20-2003, 05:14 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by The Xenos:
Wonder if he'd ever cameo.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

SHH! If WB hears you, they'd probably cast him as Jor-El or something!

D.K.HOOD

03-20-2003, 05:45 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Darth_zaiyen:
SHH! If WB hears you, they'd probably cast him as Jor-El or something!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ha! I can see it now, Kramer as General Zod and George as the Eradicator. Of course Elaine would be Supergirl(30 years later).

Frostbite

03-20-2003, 11:22 PM

You know, Jerry wouldn't be that bad as Jor-El. He looks like the guy from the comics (http://theages.superman.ws/images/doomed.jpg) (sort of. Well, at least more than Hopkins does), and can't you just picture him saying, "Gentlemen... Krypton is doomed!" ?

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Kwick22a

04-16-2003, 12:04 AM

Finally, after weeks of waiting, we get a new Smallville. It has quite a bit of Chloe, and it's the kind of Chloe I like where she doesn't pine after Clark through the whole episode and she's being her old happy, inquisitive self.
Now onto the thing about this episode that is sticking in my head. Ok, so the kid is delusional. He's a Kryptonite mutant who believes he's from another world, but really he isn't. Now according to him he built that transmitter based on instructions that were being sent to him by his people back out in space, who didn't really exist so the instructions where really based on nothing more than his own delusions. Going with that logic, when he turned it on the transmitter should have done absolutely nothing. Or at the very least it should have electrocuted him. But instead it comes on line and shoots a big beam of blue energy into space. Something doesn't add up here.
I'm starting to think maybe he wasn't as delusional as everyone thought. He might not be an alien, but maybe he wasn't just hearing voices either. Maybe somebody was talking to him, and the transmitter wasn't really a transmitter. Maybe our friendly neighborhood horse healer just facilitated a good old fashioned jail break. After all Krypton may be gone, but their prison still exists, and there has to be at least one prisoner in the Phantom Zone who has telepathy and a desire to get out.
Ok, I'm not really serious, I doubt they would write the Zone into the show. But that would definitely make for some fun episodes down the line.

D.K.HOOD

04-16-2003, 01:40 AM

Yeah, the whole delusion thing seemed like kind of a cop-out to me. Maybe they will bring the guy back for a later episode. Usually Smallville explains how the kryptonite(with a "k") affects different people but they didn't do that this time. Oh yeah, I just want to say that I'm glad to see Chloe being cool with Clark again too. I would still take her over Lana but that's another subject.

I like what they are doing with Lex and his girlfriend. I'm starting to get the feeling that Lex was right earlier in the season for suspecting her to be a spy.

Kwick22a

04-16-2003, 03:34 AM

Yeah, the doctor was acting a little snoopy wasn't she? I mean I understand the desire to explore a new environment, but isn't that one of those things that she should have been doing with Lex. One of those fun new couple activities. Plus her reaction to that locked door seemed a little off. I think most people who came across a door they couldn't open with the master key might go "hey, I can't get this one open. I'll have to ask Lex about that later." and then kind of forget about while they go looking for the room they wanted in the first place. The way she kind of clamped down on it and wouldn't let go of it, made it seem like she suspected he was keeping some deep dark secret in there. Like she really dosen't trust him. Which makes me wonder, if she doesn't trust him then why is she with him?

Of course Lex was acting a little strange tonight too. He had this attitude going like he knew something that nobody else does. I think he's up to something. I don't know what though. It's kind of creepy, but in a friendly way. I'm not sure I'm explaining this right.

Another thing, I don't think they ever actually proved that the kid, can't remember his name right now, was the same person as the kid in the missing child poster. They made some logical conclusions based on available evidence (the house of the family was destroyed in the meteor strike, he was found not to far away from the strike site) but they never actually proved he was that kid. A lot of this just doesn't add up.
Also it would be nice if the writer took some time to explain how K mutations work. In the begining it made some kind of sense. Kryptonite, combined with an environmental factor results in a mutation based on that environmental factor. Bug boy, ice guy, firestarter. But then you have the de-aging serial killer. If we were to go with what had already been established, then he should have changed into a giant fish. What they should do is have Chloe, while doing some research on the net, come across some theories concerning the emergence of the metagene in normal humans and make the connection that the kryptonite is acting as a catalyst for people who have the metagene, and activating their dormant abilities. It would finally explain why some people get one exposure to kryptonite and spontaneously mutate. While other people, like Lana, can have long term exposure and never show any signs of mutation. I'm not saying they should harp on it every week like Birds of Prey did, just bring it up say "hey here's an explantion for it," and drop it. Of course if this actually does happen on the show it confirms what I've suspected for awhile now. The WB is stalking me and stealing my ideas for themselves.
Ok I'm done.

Golden Falcon

04-16-2003, 11:50 AM

I think this episode was piece mealed, as in they didn't know what to do with it.

ie.
Clarks last line was to the effect that he couldn't understand why the boy would give up the chance to go home in order to save the jock. duh, Clark told him to.

Also on another note my wife and I are frightened that mabe JJ Abrahms movie script is really for Smallsville. Luthor seems like a bit more than obsessed with the whole alien angle and that was a key component of Abrahm's script - so we dreadfully expect Lex to annouce that he too is from Krpyton or Knows explicitly that Clark is Kal-El.

On a related note in the comicbook currenttime line Jonn Jonnz the Martian Manhunter visited Smallville when Clark was a preteen (8-9 years old) to check on his progress. This lends itself to the idea that there is some intergalactic knowledge of
Kal-El's journey. Maybe that's what tonight's episode is alluding to. What do you think?

D.K.HOOD

04-16-2003, 12:31 PM

I'm so glad that we have all new episodes leading up to the season finale! Good grief, I have suffering withdrawal with all the repeats they were showing.

Frostbite

04-16-2003, 04:23 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Golden Falcon:
On a related note in the comicbook currenttime line Jonn Jonnz the Martian Manhunter visited Smallville when Clark was a preteen (8-9 years old) to check on his progress. This lends itself to the idea that there is some intergalactic knowledge of
Kal-El's journey. Maybe that's what tonight's episode is alluding to. What do you think?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I doubt the writers of the show would remember that (or even have known it in the first place).

04-16-2003, 04:56 PM

Isn't Allison Mack meant to have a good singing voice? I've read that somewhere. That should be incorporated into an episode at some point, as I sure would like to hear her. She could be singing up on stage for some function or other, and Clark would realise (a la Dawson's Creek Season 1 when Dawson saw and heard Joey singing "On My Own") that he does like her after all.

Now, pray tell, why do people here like Chloe?

Could it be:
a) her beautiful smile which lights up a room
b) her cute hairstyle
c) her perky and outgoing personality
d) she reminds you of a proverbial girl-next-door best friend you had in school whom you never noticed until it was too late?
e) some other factor not mentioned?

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Kwick22a

04-16-2003, 05:14 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Welshcat:

Now, pray tell, why do people here like Chloe?

Could it be:
a) her beautiful smile which lights up a room
b) her cute hairstyle
c) her perky and outgoing personality
d) she reminds you of a proverbial girl-next-door best friend you had in school whom you never noticed until it was too late?
e) some other factor not mentioned?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

All of the above. For me personally Chloe reminds me of the type of girl I've always hoped I would end up with. Someone smart, funny, and strong. When it comes right down to it Chloe can stand on her own, and face down whatever comes at her. She's pretty much the total package. Plus that smile is incredible isn't it.
As for singing, I think I read that somewhere too and I would love to hear her sometime. Maybe Smallville High could have a talent show at some point. Of course the writers might not let this happen out of fear that Chloe will outshine Lana more than she already does.
That's another thing about Chloe. I think she comes across as more real than Lana, who has a somewhat artificial quality that is a little off putting.

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04-16-2003, 05:34 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Kwick22a:

All of the above. For me personally Chloe reminds me of the type of girl I've always hoped I would end up with. Someone smart, funny, and strong. When it comes right down to it Chloe can stand on her own, and face down whatever comes at her. She's pretty much the total package. Plus that smile is incredible isn't it.
As for singing, I think I read that somewhere too and I would love to hear her sometime. Maybe Smallville High could have a talent show at some point. Of course the writers might not let this happen out of fear that Chloe will outshine Lana more than she already does.
That's another thing about Chloe. I think she comes across as more real than Lana, who has a somewhat artificial quality that is a little off putting.

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You know what this is like, or what it reminds me of? Dawson's Creek. Well, that might not mean very much to you in the US, but over here in the UK, when the first season aired (which had a Jann Arden song over the credits instead of Paula Cole), Katie Holmes was actually 4th in the cast, not 2nd, with Michelle Williams actually being 2nd place. It soon became apparent though that Katie Holmes was more popular and from season 2, was always billed 2nd, and had the much bigger part. Of course, I don't know in the US if Holmes was always billed 2nd, which would ruin my theory, but admittedly she did get a bigger part. Now imagine however if Michelle Williams (who was Dawson's girlfriend originally) was, in spite of popular opinion, still forced upon viewers to be the girl everyone was supposed to like? Kevin Williamson or whoever saw fit however to go with what the viewers wanted.

As for Chloe, she does seem to be very popular among male fans. Maybe it's also because she's more like the sort of female character who isn't flashed in your face but who happens to be there quietly in the background and whom you happen to take notice of and are pleasantly suprised by, thinking to yourself "who is that girl?" Well, that's how I'd sort of imagine her if I saw someone like her in real life. But if she is indeed popular, why NOT go with her as the girl for Clark Kent? Who says that Lana Lang is the ONLY girl that Clark had to date in high school? After all, in Dawson's Creek, Dawson has, on more than one occasion, switched back and forth between Joey and Jen, so why not here?

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D.K.HOOD

04-16-2003, 05:52 PM

Ok, enough with the Dawson's Creek comparison's. Just out respect for those of us who hate that show. It was interesting in the beginning but then the show went into teenage soap opera melodrama crap.

As for why Chloe has so many fans. Well she has that perfect combination of being adorable and funny, with a mix of sex appeal(check out the cleavage). Plus she has the kind of personality that anyone would want to be around. Lana is cute, but Chloe is Scrumptious(if that word can be applied to a person).

04-16-2003, 06:23 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by D.K.HOOD:
Ok, enough with the Dawson's Creek comparison's. Just out respect for those of us who hate that show. It was interesting in the beginning but then the show went into teenage soap opera melodrama crap.

As for why Chloe has so many fans. Well she has that perfect combination of being adorable and funny, with a mix of sex appeal(check out the cleavage). Plus she has the kind of personality that anyone would want to be around. Lana is cute, but Chloe is Scrumptious(if that word can be applied to a person). <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

OK, no more Dawson's Creek comparisons. I was thinking on second thoughts though, that maybe a Roswell comparison might be in order! http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/smile.gif Look at it this way: Shiry Appleby (Liz Parker) was meant to be the main actress, but by the end of the 2nd season Majandra Delfino (Maria Deluca) had a much more expanded part, even introducing the show with a recap at the start before the credits. Her singing abilities were even used on several occasions. In contrast, Shiry Appleby's part was at times reduced, perhaps because the Maria character was much more interesting and funny, and possibly because Maria had more fans. Shiry Appleby, while undoubtedly attractive (just like Lana Lang is) was somewhat bland.

Now by comparison, Lana Lang is more analagous to Liz Parker, whereas Chloe is more analgous to Maria, in more ways than one (ie singing, charming personality etc). So if not following the example of Dawson's Creek, Smallville could follow the example of Roswell.

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Kwick22a

04-16-2003, 06:37 PM

I was just thinking, and I realized something about Chloe. In a way she is Lana. Lana as she was in the Superman comics. In the books it wasn't Clark who had the crush on Lana, it was the other way around. Lana had the crush on Clark, but he only saw her as a close friend and a type of sister. I just thought that was interesting.

04-19-2003, 06:27 PM

So, let's get back to discussing Chloe. What do you suppose she sounds like when she sings? I tend to imagine it would be something like Sixpence None the Richer. But maybe it's just because that group has another blonde chick in it of a similar type.

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Frostbite

04-19-2003, 07:06 PM

Discounting sleeping and defecating, I've been listening to Sixpence None The Richer's cover of Don't Dream It's Over nonstop for like three days, and I've got to tell you, I don't think Chloe sounds like that. It's not very Chloe-ish.

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04-20-2003, 10:49 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Frostbite:
Discounting sleeping and defecating, I've been listening to Sixpence None The Richer's cover of Don't Dream It's Over nonstop for like three days, and I've got to tell you, I don't think Chloe sounds like that. It's not very Chloe-ish.

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Is that song good? And what is their whole new album like? I just speculated that Chloe might sound like that because she's a cute blonde, and so is the girl from Sixpence. What do you think Chloe might sound like then?

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Frostbite

04-20-2003, 08:45 PM

I think she'd sound something like Kelly Osbourne.

04-21-2003, 02:44 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Frostbite:
I think she'd sound something like Kelly Osbourne.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hmm. Maybe a bit too punky for Chloe as I'd imagine her. But maybe somewhere in between Sixpence and Kelly Osborne might be about right. There isn't a sample of Allison Mack on a website somewhere, is there by any chance?

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D.K.HOOD

04-21-2003, 03:06 PM

I think she would sound like Jennifer Love Hewitt.

04-21-2003, 05:40 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by D.K.HOOD:
I think she would sound like Jennifer Love Hewitt. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I actually used to have the "Bare Naked" CD by Jennifer Love Hewitt, but decided to return it because I thought there were only 4 1/2 good songs on it, with the rest sounding rather boring. But I wouldn't mind seeing Allison Mack recording a CD of her own.

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Frostbite

04-22-2003, 12:04 AM

I remember reading somewhere that Allison enjoys singing.

Golden Falcon

04-22-2003, 11:11 AM

How ablout a can Chloe/Allison sing thread?

04-22-2003, 02:13 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Golden Falcon:
How ablout a can Chloe/Allison sing thread?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I was just thinking that. But maybe more generally about Chloe. I shall start one now!

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D.K.HOOD

04-22-2003, 10:31 PM

Tonights episode had to be one of the best ever! Man, whoever that guy was that played the stalker did a great job. He was really intense and played off of Lex Luthor perfectly.

And Kwick22a, I don't think you were being paranoid about the writers taking your ideas. A few months ago I had a post where I complained that there was no legal system in Smallville because Clark always saves the day and then the next moment he's back home with his family. Now they introduce this new Sheriff who makes Clark do community service for throwing some would be rapist around. I'm with you Kwick22a, we are being monitored.

mallratX2

04-22-2003, 10:35 PM

tonights episode was awesome, i cant wait until next week.

IronFoot

04-23-2003, 01:06 AM

Tonight would have been a great chance at a Bruce Wayne Cameo

Kwick22a

04-23-2003, 01:08 AM

I remember that post, mainly because you mentioned a crossover with The Practice and I spent the rest of the week with this image of Jimmy pulling a Plan B on a mutant frog dude.
If we are being monitored then next season hopefully they'll use my suggestion of doing an episode about Clark's birthday, and have Pete and Chloe take Clark to Metropolis for some birthday fun. Maybe they can even stop at a karioke(I don't know if that's how you spell it) club and we can finally hear Allison Mack sing. It wouldn't be a serious episode, or really advance the story in any way. It would just be something for fun. Even the most dramatic shows on TV get to have at least one goofy fun episode, why should Smallville be any different.
As for tonights episode, I thought it was good. Especially from a character development standpoint. It's about time Lana started doing something to make herself less of a victim, maybe the next time some mutant comes after her she'll do more than scream her head off. Clark learned a very valuble lesson tonight. For the past few weeks he's been very careless with the use of his powers. Really it was only a matter of time before it came back and bit him on the ass, now maybe he'll be more careful.
The major players in tonights show had to be Lex and Helen. Their was some really great work from those two. Also this one episode gives a lot of insight into the way Helen has been handling her relationship with Lex. Her reluctance to get involved with him in the first place, her annoyance with him doing a background check on her (of course that would piss most anyone off), and last week with how upset she got over that locked door. Her last boyfriend was an obsessive, woman beating, psycho who really wasn't doing a good job of keeping his creepy vibe to himself. I was feeling it through the TV, I can only imagine what it would be like to be in a room with him. Naturally she was worried about getting into a new relationship, especially with a guy like Lex whose childhood was a breeding ground for a whole bunch of mental and emotional quirks. And Lex also gives off his own kind of intense vibe, which is created by determination to suceed, that can be taken wrong by certain people.
I'm glad Lex didn't shoot him. It's nice to know he hasn't reached that point yet.

Next week episode looks like it's going to be really good.

Frostbite

04-23-2003, 01:45 AM

Tonight's episode left me thinking: "Clark, everything would be simpler if you just wore glasses."

D.K.HOOD

04-23-2003, 02:49 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Kwick22a:
If we are being monitored then next season hopefully they'll use my suggestion of doing an episode about Clark's birthday, and have Pete and Chloe take Clark to Metropolis for some birthday fun.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That would be fun. I agree, every drama needs one of those episodes where everyone unwinds.

Jimmy Plan B a mutant frog. Ha. Maybe the writers can give us a clue that they're monitoring us by using the phrase "plan B" in the show.

About next week's episode. What's this? Another Home Improvement kid on Smallville? Twice in the same season too!

I really gotta find out the name of the actor that played the ex-boyfriend. I think we got a glimpse of a future star.

mallratX2

04-23-2003, 07:50 AM

wait that kid was from home improvement, god damn they're everyone in smallville, which kid was it, the oldest one or the youngest one, I hope Clark beats the crap out of him because the kids on home improvement always annoyed the crap out of me

Golden Falcon

04-23-2003, 12:19 PM

You know they are watching, reading, and in some cases ignoring our good insite.

D.K.HOOD

04-23-2003, 01:02 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by mallratX2:
wait that kid was from home improvement, god damn they're everyone in smallville, which kid was it, the oldest one or the youngest one, I hope Clark beats the crap out of him because the kids on home improvement always annoyed the crap out of me<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It was the oldest one. I've also seen him on an episode of Buffy this season and an Outer Limits episode. And he's good at playing characters you want to beat the crap out of.

Kwick22a

04-24-2003, 04:34 AM

He probably had a guidance counsler in high school that told him to find something he's good at, and stick with it.
Maybe this is the thing he figures he's good at. Getting smacked around by superheros.

D.K.HOOD

04-24-2003, 06:15 AM

If you remember the commercial for next weeks episode said Clark "will rise with a rage unequaled" after he steps out of that boiler. Well there's an extended clip on www.devotedtosmallville.com/ (http://www.devotedtosmallville.com/)
of that scene. It reminds me of a certain green skinned Marvel hero.

Frostbite

04-24-2003, 04:53 PM

Completely naked! Why don't they do this with Chloe?

mallratX2

04-26-2003, 10:46 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by D.K.HOOD:
It reminds me of a certain green skinned Marvel hero. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

who?

Frostbite

04-26-2003, 12:27 PM

Is that sarcasm again?

04-27-2003, 05:17 AM

Just a few Q's. Why do the cars on smallville always blow up? and Why is lex always just Breaking everytime he plays pool?

Kwick22a

04-27-2003, 12:21 PM

Well, Smallville just isn't an automobile friendly place. Too many mutants, aliens, and bad drivers. They don't always explode though. Sometimes they just get flipped over, stacked, torn into little pieces, or tossed through a roof. In some ways Smallville is a lot like Metropolis in Kingdom Come. All the super people getting it on all the time made it impossible to keep and use a car in the city so people stopped using them. Smallville hasn't gotten that bad yet, and people keep getting new cars. Which must be making the local dealership (which we haven't seen yet, but I'd bet the guy who own that place has as big a house as Lex) very happy, and giving some insurance adjuster somewhere an ulcer to end all ulcers.
As for Lex, he's a Luthor so breaking balls is in his nature. Seriously though I'm sure he continues playing pool after the scene ends, we just don't get to see it that often. Sometimes he has actually played a game on screen though, in the episode where Clark gets heat vision he's playing a game and I seem to remember an episode where he and Clark actually do play a game. Another reason he only seems to be breaking could have something to do with people always coming in and interrupting him, just when he's getting started. At some point Lex is probably going to start avoiding the table, because every time he starts playing someone shows up.

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Kwick22a

04-30-2003, 01:54 AM

Ok, that was a good episode, I liked it. But I'm not sure I like what's going on with Chloe. I mean Lionel just wants to use her as his spy in Smallville, and there is no way this can end well for her. Not only could she potentially discover and expose Clark's secret, but she could also destroy her friendship with Pete (he really isn't going to like her getting chummy with the man who tricked and betrayed his family), and Lex whose been a big supporter of hers is probably going to stop trusting her.
The worst part of all of this is under normal circumstances she wouldn't fall for this. Her insticts would stop her from getting involved with a guy she knows, or at least suspects, has been involved in some really evil things. But because she's feeling hurt, vulnerable, and alone she just isn't seeing it.
I blame Clark for this. If he hadn't been such an ass in the first place none of this would have happened. He caused this rift in their freindship by being an incosiderate jerk and breaking his promise. Ok, I understand that he likes Lana and he's trying to get with her, I've been there, but you don't screw over your friends in the process. You make a promise, you do your best to keep it. You can't just keep letting your friends down and expect things to be all good. And then when Chloe calls him on his crap he gets all pissy and indignant about it.
Ok, that's it! I'm going to find a big chunk of Kryptonite, carve it into a bat, then I'm heading down to Smallville to whoop a little alien ass! And while I'm there I'm gonna stop by Luthorcorp, shave Linoel's head and give the hair to Lex as a wedding present. Then I'm going to the nearest hospital, because with my luck that much exposure to Kryptonite is going to cause some type of crappy mutation. Probably something involving odd colors and excessive body hair, once a month I'm going to end up turning into a lime green werepoodle. But it'll be worth it.

D.K.HOOD

04-30-2003, 04:31 AM

Well, I already knew that Chloe was going to hook up with Lionel by reading a few of the spoilers for future episodes. This is supposed to be one of the subplots for the season finale and I think its a good one. And did you pick up on the clue that it was Lionel who had The Torch vandalized and not the kryptonite gang? Boy that Lionel is such a rat. I can't wait to see how they kill him off the show(and you know that's the only way to get rid of him).

I was kind of disappointed that Clark needed Jonathan to remind him to use his other powers. You would think it would be routine for him by now, like a reflex. Ah well, I guess the writers had to find some way for Jonathan to give Clark fatherly advice.

Once again Lana's personal life suffers another blow. Enough already. I think too many fans complained about Lana being miss perfect so the writers keep trashing her life. Maybe I'm wrong and they're just trying to show that there are real world situations that Clark can't save Lana from. But I doubt it.

Kwick22a

04-30-2003, 05:26 AM

Yeah, the second Lionel showed up in the office I knew he had to be the one who had it done, then Chloe talked about the gang admitting to the other crimes but not that one and it just confirmed it. You have to admit he is an expert when it comes to manipulating people through their emotions. And destroying the Torch is probably the most effective way of hurting Chloe. She puts so much of herself into that paper that attacking it, is pretty much like attacking her.
Also it was a little annoying that Jonathan had to remind Clark that he has other powers that the gang didn't, but I think I can let it slide this time. So far Clark hasn't really gone up against someone who could come back at him as effectivly as these guys did. So far Clark has pretty much had the upper hand in the powers department. Hopefully this was a learning experience for him. You can't just use brute force against a problem and expect to win each time, sometimes you have to strategize, and always use all your assets effectivley. Seems like we have something of a theme going now. Last week Clark learned that actions have consequences, and that he has to be more careful with the way he uses his powers. This week he learns that you have to think about a problem, and use the right tool for the job. He's finally learning the things he'll need to know when he finally becomes Superman. Hopefully he learned one other lesson. Fire proof underwear is a good investment. Because you just never know what might happen.
As for Lana, I've said it before and I'll say it again. This girl needs to get some therapy. And the writers need to lighten up. Sure we didn't want her to be so damned perfect, but we didn't want her to be life's whipping girl either. I think we would all be happy if Lana was just normal. It doesn't have to be either all good, or major disater with her. Just let her have good days and bad days like everyone else. But therapy would still be a good plan, she has issues.
And Small's wife. What a bitch. I mean when Lana first met her, the woman told her that being married to Henry wasn't all it was cracked up to be. Clearly they had some developing problems already, but here she comes blaming it all on Lana. That's just a load of bull, and really effing unfair. The girl just wanted a family, a connection to someone (especially now that Nell is off in Metropolis) she wasn't asking for anything except for a little time. This woman was acting like Lana kidnapped him and was keeping locked in the Talon's basement or something. Well, she was probably just looking for someone else to blame outside of herself and Henry. It's always easier to blame others than to find fault within ourselves. Also I think she may have been just a little tanked up. Her eyes looked a little funny.
One last thing about Lionel. I agree that the only way to really get rid of him would be to kill him, but I wouldn't trust him to stay dead.

Flinch

05-01-2003, 10:02 AM

Hey, a Cloe fan here too!

By the way, is it just me or they`ve changed or altered her character somehow? A short while ago she was this spunky always smiling, eager to please girl always acting all charming when Clark would enter the room but ever since she had this little with him, she seems a lot more serious now? Before it was Lana that was the tough one that was going out with Jocks and everything, but now it`s the other way around with Lana being easily emotional and Cloe having this dark side?

Personaly i was disapointed by what the writers did by transforming her into the girlfriend wich Clark basicly doing it out of pitty and then breaking up. It`s like they rushed it for the focus to return to the "beloved" Lana. It would have been far more "in-character" and far more interesting if Clark would have keep fantasming about Lana with Cloe staying in the background always hoping that Clark sees her and eventualy Clark would make Cleo his choice. But now well, it`s kind-of a mess in my opinion.

But it`s cool that she will be father Luthor`s imformant somehow. Like payback to Clark.

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Kwick22a

05-06-2003, 02:31 PM

More proof that we are being monitored.

Weeks ago when Martha got pregnant and the ship gave Clark that weird message, I expressed the idea that the AI in Clark's ship might be the Eradicator.
Yesterday, in an interveiw with this website, Alfred Gough, writer/producer for Smallville, specifiacally mentioned the Eradicator. It was to say that it would not be appearing on Smallville and I know it's probably just a coincidence, but still it makes you wonder doesn't it.
Are the Smallville writers, at this very moment, lurking on this message board reading everyone of our posts, looking for good ideas. If so then I think that is pretty damned cool. It means they care about what we think, it means they want to give the fans a show that we can really enjoy.
Makes me wonder why they didn't do the same thing with Birds of Prey. With that one it was like the writers looked at the message boards and did the exact opposite of what people wanted. I know it was a different team of writers, but the Smallville people could've sent them a memo or something.

D.K.HOOD

05-06-2003, 02:41 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Kwick22a:
More proof that we are being monitored.

Weeks ago when Martha got pregnant and the ship gave Clark that weird message, I expressed the idea that the AI in Clark's ship might be the Eradicator.
Yesterday, in an interveiw with this website, Alfred Gough, writer/producer for Smallville, specifiacally mentioned the Eradicator. It was to say that it would not be appearing on Smallville and I know it's probably just a coincidence, but still it makes you wonder doesn't it.
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If they just happened to volunteer that information without specifically being asked a question about it, then I would say its more than a coincidence.

Kwick22a

05-06-2003, 03:57 PM

Well, I went back and looked at the interview(which can be found on todays front page) and here's what it said:

However, most of the major villains from the comics are earmarked for the feature film franchise. For now, the mandate is that Clark be the only Kryptonian character in the skein. "You won't see General Zod or anyone like that, or even the Eradicator."

The part about the Eradicator seems a little odd. I mean if he wanted an example of villains that they won't be using on the show there are better, more well known, examples he could have used. So why mention the Eradicator specifically.
Still it's not the most solid evidence in the world and it could just be a coincidence, but when you put it together with all the other little things we've noticed recently it starts to look a little suspicious.
And so the Smallville conspiracy continues.

Frostbite

05-06-2003, 05:24 PM

Well, what would you rather him say? ""You won't see General Zod or anyone like that, or even the Toyman." ?

Although, I'm sure the movie-making people aren't going to use the Toyman, anyway, and there's no telling what the Toyman could do in a small town... especially the 1970s version with that weird hat..

Kwick22a

05-07-2003, 01:52 AM

Ok, I knew before that Lionel was evil but I didn't think he was Evil! Before he was just a ruthless, manipulative, amoral businessman with some bad father mixed in. But he is rapidly moving into super villain territory. I'm starting to wonder if Lex really does turn evil down the line, maybe Lionel just swaps bodies with him.
Now on to Lana. Why is this girl not in therapy? I mean come on, there is no way she has had so many bad things happen to her and not become severely maladjusted. When she was five or so she saw her parents die, when she was ten she saw her best friend drown, last year her boyfriend got blown up and her knew best friend turned out to be a shapeshifting psychopath , add to all that multiple kidnappings and attempted murders. This girl should be the single most screwed up person in the entire state of Kansas. I'm starting to think this might be the primary problem with Lana. We know that all these horrible things have happened to her, and yet she has grown up to be a fairly well adjusted, friendly, outgoing person. It just doesn't seem right. This girl should be showing more symptoms of serious psychological issues, more than just the late night crying and a slight fear of abandonment.
And where the hell was Nell during all this? I'm thinking maybe she was growing a little more than just flowers in her little shop if you know what I mean, because her parenting instincts kind of suck. First she didn't get Lana into therapy after her parents died, I feel confident in saying this because if Lana had been in therapy I think she would have mentioned it by now. Then years later, as a gift, she gives Lana a necklace made out of the thing that killed her parents. She sees her best friend die, again Nell doesn't consider therapy. Finally she just packs up and leaves. Way to go Nell!
Sorry to go on like this, but I am just really pissed tonight. For one my Smallville tape got messed up because of election coverage so I have to wait until Sunday to record it again. Then when I went for a bike ride tonight my tires got slashed up because the people in this wonderful little crap hole I live in keep throwing beer and vodka bottles onto the streets and sidewalks so that no matter where you go there is broken glass. And I know it's not just every once in awhile someone does it, because when I go for rides I stop, get off my bike, and kick the glass off of the path I use. I do it pretty much every time I go out, and there is always more glass out there. So if I seem angry tonight, that's the reason.

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ModeMan

05-07-2003, 02:27 AM

Ooh man they created a lot of potential with tonight's show. Lex displayed his interest in the cloning and age developing that went on. To me, this obviously clears way for a Bizarro character. In the animated series they made him a clone gone wrong, why not in Smallville. Of course, this wont happen. The shows creators already stated how the big comic villains are reserved for the films. Oh well.

Ooh!!!! They're going to try to incorporate my favorite character into an episode next season. Of course I'm refering to the Dark Knight himself. Bruce Wayne-pre cowel making an appearance in a small but unusual town in Kansas. Oh man this could be really really awesome! But who would they get to play him? And what type of teenager will he be? I mean it seems like the only thing close to a friend he would have in town would be Lex since they're both billionaire benifactors. Remains to be seen.
I'm also psyched for the season finale. Gough and Millar said any self-respecting Superman fan will be able to recognize the voice of Jor-El. Who do you all think it will be? Gene Hackman? Tim Daly? Dean Kain? Maybe even Brando himself taking back his role. Man, Gough and Millar really know how to keep fans excited. I thought the show's 'awesome factor' would peak with Christopher Reeve's appearance but they keep upping the bar.

D.K.HOOD

05-07-2003, 01:55 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by ModeMan:
I'm also psyched for the season finale. Gough and Millar said any self-respecting Superman fan will be able to recognize the voice of Jor-El. Who do you all think it will be? Gene Hackman? Tim Daly? Dean Kain? Maybe even Brando himself taking back his role.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I was thinking Gene Hackman when I read the article. I don't imagine Brando doing it because the guy is secluded on a tropical island somewhere. I can't imagine that it is someone from the cartoon, because not all self-respecting Superman fans were into that show enough to recognize Tim Daly's voice. And I hope its not Dean Cain, his voice still hasn't reached puberty yet.

Frostbite

05-07-2003, 03:39 PM

Maybe it'll be one of the Jimmys. Like Jack Larson or Marc McClure or someone.

mallratX2

05-07-2003, 04:36 PM

what did everyone think of last night's episode, am i the only one who wanted to see clark beat the crap out of the little girl?

D.K.HOOD

05-07-2003, 04:54 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by mallratX2:
what did everyone think of last night's episode, am i the only one who wanted to see clark beat the crap out of the little girl?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I thought it was kind of lame. God I'm so sick of Lana's problems that I just want Clark to say "Look Lana, I'm a damn alien and my entire home planet was obliterated years ago. And you think you've got problems?". Yeah, that's what I want to see.

Golden Falcon

05-07-2003, 05:29 PM

Jack Larson

mallratX2

05-07-2003, 07:54 PM

well lana's mega hot so she's allowed to have a really screwed up life.

ModeMan

05-08-2003, 10:45 AM

Lana said something very true in the last episode. She's worried Clark has a perfect image of her that she will shatter some day. If there's anything I've learned about women it's exactly that. Build a perfect image of one of them and you're bound to be dissapointed sooner or later. Just watch. Shallow or selfish acts are not below Lana. Clark may get really messed over by her.
But I like how natural and real the diologue was at that part. It's not something one would expect in a show where a clone girl with super speed comes to bother Superboy's girlfriend.
And, yes, I wanted Clark to smack that little witch and take Lana in his arms and kiss her.

ModeMan

05-08-2003, 10:52 AM

D.K. that's exactly what I was thinking, right down to Dean Cain's wussy voice. Brando wouldn't do it, he's too busy groping maids on that island. Daly wouldn't be recognized by all self-respecting fans. Niether would the Jimmies. So I would think it would be Hackman. But we wont know for a week.
I had another thought yesterday. I thought Hackman was obvious but his voice doesn't really seem powerful enough for Jor-El to me. So I was wondering about men who've played Superman characters and have strong voices. Then it just hit me. Maybe Terrance Stamp will be the voice. I think he'd make a great Jor-El. And for any self-respecting Superman fans who don't recognize the name, he was General Zod in Superman II. Again, we'll see. I doubt I'll be dissapointed in the results. Hackman, Stamp, or other.

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D.K.HOOD

05-08-2003, 12:30 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by ModeMan:
Then it just hit me. Maybe Terrance Stamp will be the voice. I think he'd make a great Jor-El. And for any self-respecting Superman fans who don't recognize the name, he was General Zod in Superman II.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You might be right! That makes a lot of sense that he would do the voice. Good observation ModeMan!

ModeMan

05-09-2003, 01:40 AM

I would love the irony if the man who played Jor-El on Smallville was the same man who shouted, "You will bow down before me, Jor-El!" in the movie.

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Golden Falcon

05-09-2003, 01:24 PM

What if they synthesize/edit George Reeves voice.

Stygian

05-09-2003, 02:35 PM

Oh, I got it! The voice of the distinguished scientist and Kryptonian counsel member Jor-El is voiced by non other than,... Ned Beatty... (j/k http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/wink.gif lol)

Frostbite

05-09-2003, 03:22 PM

Oh, what about Jon Cryer (Lenny in Superman IV) ?

And speaking of Lenny, as he's supposed to be Lex's nephew, from who do you think he is related to? His last name wasn't revealed in the movie, so he could either be the son of Lucas, the son of a sibling of Desiree or Helen, or of one of Lex's other four wives' siblings (he had six ex-wives when Superman debuted, right?). It's implausible that Lenny would be the son of one of Ardora (Lex's wife from the planet Lexor)'s sibling, because all of the Lexorians died when the planet exploded.

D.K.HOOD

05-09-2003, 03:40 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Frostbite:
Oh, what about Jon Cryer (Lenny in Superman IV) ?

And speaking of Lenny, as he's supposed to be Lex's nephew, from who do you think he is related to? His last name wasn't revealed in the movie, so he could either be the son of Lucas, the son of a sibling of Desiree or Helen, or of one of Lex's other four wives' siblings (he had six ex-wives when Superman debuted, right?). It's implausible that Lenny would be the son of one of Ardora (Lex's wife from the planet Lexor)'s sibling, because all of the Lexorians died when the planet exploded.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Are you Seinfeld?

ModeMan

05-09-2003, 05:07 PM

Or what about Richard Pryor's computer spliced voice? Man, I said in a earlier post that I wouldn't be dissapointed with whoever they chose but based on the last few posts...
Sorry, I don't want Duckie playing Jor-El.

05-09-2003, 05:18 PM

How do you know it won't be Margot Kidder's voice shifted down an octave or two? Or perhaps it might be Lane Smith (Perry White in Lois and Clark) as Jor El - he might even break into an Elvis rendition of Burning Love. http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/biggrin.gif

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Golden Falcon

05-09-2003, 05:48 PM

Maybe it will be Ashton Krutcher.

05-09-2003, 05:56 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Golden Falcon:
Maybe it will be Ashton Krutcher.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I thought it was Kutcher not Krutcher. Don't tell me the curse of Superman has already struck, with the actor now hobbling about with a broken leg and crutches after a mere audition?

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Frostbite

05-09-2003, 06:21 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by D.K.HOOD:
Are you Seinfeld?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
What is that supposed to mean??

D.K.HOOD

05-09-2003, 06:28 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Frostbite:
 Originally posted by D.K.HOOD:
Are you Seinfeld?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
What is that supposed to mean??

The abundance of Superman knowledge(which Jerry Seinfeld is known to have), combined with your(how do I say this) eccentric sense of humour, prompted me to ask the question.

D.K.HOOD

05-13-2003, 11:30 PM

Well Chloe sees Lana kissing Clark so of course you know she's going to run back to Lionel Luthor and take his offer. At least we got to Chloe put Lionel in his place though. And Lex keeping a big secret! I had a sneaky suspicion he robbed the lab but I didn't think the writers had the balls to actually go down that road. This episode was okay, but the love triangle is bugging me. Plus, have you noticed how Pete keeps showing up in the most awkward situations. Poor guy. They should give him a girlfriend on the show or give him more scenes with Chloe. Those two were pretty good buddies in the first season but this whole Clark/Lana/Chloe thing has taken up too much screen time to show them together.

Frostbite

05-14-2003, 12:07 AM

My dad finds all this love triangle stuff hillarious.

Golden Falcon

05-14-2003, 09:23 AM

DK HOOD, I was wondering the same thing - where is Pete...And have the writers worked out (even though its way down the line) how to get Pete to marry Lana. Even if they never show it, they kinda have to make it plausible. Since it does happen in Superman Mythos.

Sonic1002

05-20-2003, 06:07 PM

Chloe annoys me to no end. She should just give up. Lana has him. I can't stand that nosy little nusance.

Sonic1002

05-20-2003, 10:09 PM

Well, after seeing this finale, I have thus reaffirmed my animosity toward her. I can't stand her, that's the long and short of it. And don't even get me started on my views about Lionel.
And the destruction of the ship was a waste of time since the voice remained. And, and, and, I liked the finale. http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/biggrin.gif
-Sonic1002

Frostbite

05-20-2003, 10:19 PM

Exodus = worst episode ever.

Essex

05-20-2003, 10:58 PM

Thanks for the detailed explanation, Frostbite.
http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/rolleyes.gif

Why bother unless you're going to say something constructive?

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D.K.HOOD

05-20-2003, 11:18 PM

I know Clark wasn't thinking straight but that red kryptonite ring scenario seemed so far fetch to me. He's got a sweet thang like Lana for a girlfriend and the only thing he can think of to make himself feel better is to put on a ring that makes him evil! My goodness.

ModeMan

05-21-2003, 01:04 AM

The whole time I was thinking in my mind If Pete would've just say, 'You'll hurt people if you put it on' Clark probably wouldn't have done it. That's what he's so afraid of, right? Man, what kind of chaos will he have gotten into in the next season with that ring on. And will he have really long hair like he gets in the comics when exposed to red kryptonite?
I missed the end of the red kryptonite episode when it was on before. I didn't realize Clark kept that motorcycle. I would have too, though.

kvdp_blade

05-21-2003, 01:14 AM

Actually I think that the motorcycle was Jonathon Kent's, but that really has no importance.

Kwick22a

05-21-2003, 01:40 AM

I think the Christpher Reeve episode would have made a better season finale. We could have spent the entire summer wondering about that message from Jor-El.
This episode was just sad, and by sad I mean depressing. Everybody's life turned to crap, and now Clark is wandering America's highways riding a Red Kryptonite high. It was just really disapointing.
Even more annoying is that this episode has the almost exact same plot premise and the season finale for the second season of Buffy.

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D.K.HOOD

05-21-2003, 02:08 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Kwick22a:
I think the Christpher Reeve episode would have made a better season finale.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Damn right it would! I think the writers kind of trapped themselves this season by trying to tie too many subplots through every episode. Eventually it bit them in the butt with the season finale.

Golden Falcon

05-21-2003, 09:51 AM

What gets my ire up is that Jonathan and Chloe were totally out of character. After a great season of character continuity the writers just went bonkers. I kept expecting Clark to wake up and say something like "It was a dream" ala "Dallas" style.

This one reall y needs a mid summer update.

Black_Alchemy

05-21-2003, 10:25 AM

Red Kryptonite is the equivalent of crawling into a bottle. His actions nearly killed his parents and DID kill his little brother. Remember the mind reader episodes? Clark would really like to have a brother and he just wasted him. Add to that fact his fathers treatment of him at the hospital and Clark is the perfect candidate for a little drunk. I doubt alcohol or drugs can effect him, so he goes for what he knows can make him feel better. In such a situation, a girlfriend can provide very little comfort. He needed the bottle aka red kryptonite.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by D.K.HOOD:
I know Clark wasn't thinking straight but that red kryptonite ring scenario seemed so far fetch to me. He's got a sweet thang like Lana for a girlfriend and the only thing he can think of to make himself feel better is to put on a ring that makes him evil! My goodness.
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Black_Alchemy

05-21-2003, 10:35 AM

Looks like I must be the only person out there that enjoyed this episode. I thought it was good and everyone played their parts well. The scorned woman seeking revenge, turning down a darker path. Tragedy in the family to shake things up (plus we all know Clark never has/had a brother). Clark is young and is going to make mistakes (something that Superman never or rarely does, he's so damn perfect). This is what the show is about, Clark's development into the man he's going to be. We've got to see the mistakes he makes as he makes his way toward that destiny. These are the events that will shape his future. Superman's brain works a 1000 times better than ours. He thinks out every course of action like a chess master planning out his next moves. Events like these enforce the fact that Superman would not take a course of action that could put people in harm's way.
Lex crashing in the ocean is good. I expect that Helen dies which should really crush Lex. I can see how she could have turned his life around and he'd have grown to be a decent, caring man (the exact opposite of his father). But her death crushes everything decent in his heart and the bitterness and pain drives him down the road to evil. His great anomosity with Superman could be buildt on this event. I'd like to see (doubt it is true), that the plane malfunctions because of the weird effect generated by the space ship when it exploded. This indirectly makes Clark responsible for what happens to the plane.
The finale satisfied me which, it appears, puts me in a minority around here. *L*

Essex

05-21-2003, 03:01 PM

No, I loved the episode, Alchemy. I think they did a great job on everything, especially the Lex/Helen storyline. I find myself far more interested in the Luthor stories than the Kent ones, but that's not to say the writers don't do a great job on the Kents; the Luthors are just naturally more interesting.

Furthermore, no WAY were Chloe or Jonathan out of character, especially the latter. Clark lied to his parents and his negligence has permanently scarred his mother and killed her future child. Jonathan reacted perfectly acceptably, considering what happened. It's not like he shunned Clark forever. Only his immediate reaction was one of anger. To suggest that he was out of character, Falcon, suggests that you really didn't understand the severity of the situation.

As for Chloe, everything you know about her is a mask that she has put on. She is not the happy-go-lucky reporter that she wants people to think she is. She is apparently deeply troubled beyond just Clark and tries to make herself feel better by having others see her as happy. She's finally realized that it's not working and never will. Besides, I doubt her actions are as antagonistic as they appear. She may be investigating Clark, but that may not be her sole intention; she's just not worried about jeopardizing her friendship with him anymore. Using this to learn more about Lionel Luthor, though, is a good oppurtunity.

As a final note, though, I don't believe that Clark was truthfully responsible for the explosion that injured Martha. I think he is actually responsible for saving all of Smallville. The voice stated that if Clark didn't comply, all those he cared for would be hurt (at 12pm). The explosion just happened to occur at 12pm. Who's to say that destroying the ship caused the explosion? Perhaps it would have exploded anyway, and destroying it merely minimized the explosion.

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Sonic1002

05-21-2003, 03:08 PM

You have my support. I thought it was an excellent season ending. this episode just confirmed my reasons to hate Chloe. And I'm thinking if my son were killed, I would be out of character too.
-Sonic1002

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Essex

05-21-2003, 03:10 PM

BTW, Alchemy, I think you're giving Helen a little too much credit. Didn't you see the way she looked at Lex before they took off? She planned it all with Lionel!

I imagine Lionel and her were together from the beginning, even if she ended up falling in love with Lex afterall. I think that Lionel approached her at the beginning and made a proposal: she "seduces" Lex into falling in love with her and they marry. After he is "accidentally" killed in a plane crash, LexCorp belongs to her and she can sell it to Lionel for a nice profit. Lionel wants to acquire LexCorp, but he never can otherwise (this would explain Helen's turn-around at the beginning of her relationship, from ignoring him to dating him). Eventually, however, Helen fell in love with Lex for real and broke off the deal with Lionel. When Lex wronged her, though, she decided to to re-open the deal.

I'm sure something will arise however that causes Lionel to have her killed next season. Lex's revenge against his father for EVERYTHING will be the pivotal point of his turn to evil.

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Frostbite

05-21-2003, 03:52 PM

Why was Lex riding a LuthorCorp plane in the first place? I remember seeing a LexCorp plane at one point; he should've flown in that instead.

Essex

05-21-2003, 03:54 PM

He accepted a wedding gift from his father, I believe. His father was having him and Helen flown to their own private island.

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mallratX2

05-21-2003, 04:43 PM

the finale was incredible. I'm just trying to think, how will Lex get out and just where will Clark go from here when the season premiere comes, I'm just trying to figure out what's going to happen. I loved the episode, i think it really showed the alien in clark because his earthly parents kind of in a way turned their back on him

Golden Falcon

05-21-2003, 04:48 PM

Sonic, Essex, & Alchemy all of what you have said is plausible and if its so it does zilch to improve my opinion of the finale and zilch to improve the level of writing on this one because the rule of film/tv is if you don't see it it didn't happen.

All season Jonathan(Mr. We Are Your Parents) has been super supportive and even in trying times and now in one episode he flips the script and basically severes the relationship with Clark. Let's not even mention that we are not talking about a budding relationship but rather in which we have yet to see any type of chastisement.
As a husband/parent I would hope that I would not react the way JK did and even if I did I would apologize ASAP. I think JK's character as presented thus far would also.

And Chloe (miss let's be superfriends) blows up on Clark, whom she was coming to warn about Lionel. No probelm he probably deserved a little attitude but her actions where not supportive of either Clark or Lana and not only did she not warn Clark but she agrees to spy on his family - where did this underhanded Bia-Bia come from? Where was she last season or the other 12 episodes of this one?

I've been jilted before and even jilted a few and the worst I've experienced is tatamount to the keying of my car - but never ever has someone who considered themselves my friend deliberately took and undertaking that they knew would hurt me or moreover my family.

Maybe it takes maturity to see this was a clunker. Today at the office all those 25 and under thought it was great and those of us more experienced in life seem to agree that this was really bad except for the special effects and Pete playing the hell out of Lionel.

Essex

05-21-2003, 07:33 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Golden Falcon:
Maybe it takes maturity to see this was a clunker. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Excuse me? I don't even know how to respond to that pointless jab.

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"That which does not kill us...makes us stranger." - Trevor Goodchild, Aeon Flux

D.K.HOOD

05-21-2003, 07:49 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Essex:
 Excuse me? I don't even know how to respond to that pointless jab.

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Not defending what GF said but I think he just meant that the older fans he's talked to didn't like the episode as much as the younger fans. I know that's true in my case so I can't argue with that logic.

mallratX2

05-21-2003, 07:52 PM

hey what's everybody's favorite Smallville episode, mine's either Tempest or Witness, probably Tempest a little more, everybody else?

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Frostbite

05-21-2003, 08:42 PM

Insurgence was pretty good.

Kwick22a

05-21-2003, 11:00 PM

My favorite episode of season 2 was Rosetta. Not just because Christopher Reeve was in it, but because it was just a really good episode.
My least favorite episode of any season was Rush. I didn't like the way it screwed with the relationships between the charecters. I pretty much wish it hadn't been made, and I think the writers felt the same way since in the episode that immediatley followed it everyone acted as if nothing had happened.

Black_Alchemy

05-22-2003, 10:07 AM

Well since I'm not under 25 I would have to disagree with that assessment. As for your points. Jonathon hasn't turned his back on Clark. He just lost a child! Something that the two of them have been trying to have for ages. It's a very, very big part of their lives and now it's gone. Poof. If Clark had been hurt, he'd have been more concerned and would have reacted differently. Just as someone who's kid steals the family car and gets in an accident. If the kid is ok, they catch hell. If they are in a hospital bed on a respirator the parent could care less about the damn car. So I don't think Jonathon was acting out of character at all. He reacted out of the heat of the moment.
As for Helen being in cohoots with Lionel. It's possible but I hope not. I don't think she's evil. She's a doctor with a great deal of ethic. Knowing what she knows about the Kents she's said nothing. I really think that she's the stabilizing force that could have turned Luthor's life around but that tragedy will strike and he'll head down the dark path we know he'll take.
I think the only one who's not used to good effect is Pete. He only pops in to prop up Clark. Thru the season they've done little to allow his character to grow. When we see him, it's only to let Clark know of some danger. Or be used as a diversion for Clark. I really think he gets short shrift in the storytelling.

Golden Falcon

05-22-2003, 01:12 PM

Alchemy and others,

Many apologies I did not intended to insult - it was just a personal observation of the reaction amongst my co-workers and yeah a little erroneous assumption on my part to the ages of posters like yourself.

Ironically, most of what I've read here and at other sites regarding this episode call for a little assumption about the plot in order for it to make sense, flow, and be enjoyable.... Funny ain't it.

The loss of the child is Bo Kent's fault for leaving the wedding and speeding in a feeble pick up truck with his first time pregnant wife who incidentally only became preganant because -lo and behold - she had previously adopted a strange visitor from another planet.

Baaa Haa Haaa Haaa haaa haa Haa

D.K.HOOD

05-22-2003, 01:46 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Golden Falcon:
The loss of the child is Bo Kent's fault for leaving the wedding and speeding in a feeble pick up truck <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wasn't that stupid? As soon as saw them both leaving I knew what was going to happen. Whatever was going with Clark, Jonathan could have handled it by himself without bringing Martha with him. After all they've been through with the baby you would think he would say "No Martha, you stay here, get some rest and enjoy the wedding, I'll be back soon with Clark". It just seemed like the writers were trying to manipulate the audience into going along with every plot device in the finale, instead of just telling a decent story.

Essex

05-22-2003, 02:02 PM

For Martha to stay at the wedding would make HER be acting out of character. We know Martha. One of her biggest character traits is that she does not just sit back and wait for things to happen. She is a strong woman, and strength often equals stubborness. There is no way that she would stay at the wedding while her son was possibly doing something dangerous, pregnant or not.

And, once again, Jonathan did not turn his back on Clark. He said nothing that could be construed as meaning that. He merely wanted to be there for Martha without dealing with Clark at the moment. He did not expect Clark to get doped up on Kryptonite and run off; he expected to have time with Clark as well. Martha was merely the main priority, not to mention his own feelings of loss. This was CLARK'S immaturity acting, CLARK'S innability to see the bigger picture. He made a mistake and he ran from it. I hope this teaches him a lesson that will allow him to truly grow next season.

As for Pete, I too am disapointed that he doesn't get more screen time. Afterall, in the comics he eventually goes on to marry Lana (although that doesn't seem too probable at the moment). The character has a lot of potential and it would be nice to see more concentration on him. I mean, early on he expressed unhappiness that his best friend found a new best friend in the shady Lex Luthor. Let's see a little more of that. I know I'D be pissed off if my best friend found a NEW best friend in somebody who really isn't much of a friend to him at all.

You know....writing this post has made me dislike Clark quite a bit...lol. What a selfish brat.

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D.K.HOOD

05-22-2003, 02:17 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Essex:
For Martha to stay at the wedding would make HER be acting out of character. We know Martha. One of her biggest character traits is that she does not just sit back and wait for things to happen. She is a strong woman, and strength often equals stubborness. There is no way that she would stay at the wedding while her son was possibly doing something dangerous, pregnant or not.
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Yes, but Jonathan did not even make the effort to get her to stay. That was out of character for any first time father. They just looked at each other and started to run off together like Batman & Robin to the "batpoles".

Essex

05-22-2003, 02:31 PM

LOL! I now have this fantastic image in my head of a back-lit Jonathan and Martha running towards the camera with the famous 60's theme song playing.

I agree with you there, but I just assumed there was a discussion between them that time didn't allow us to see. I wouldn't fault the writers for that, but I could see the director being at fault for not pacing the beginning of the episode well enough to allow more time near the end.

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Golden Falcon

05-22-2003, 03:51 PM

Essex I love You Man (Woman-not sure).

You don't want Martha out of character but you accept Jonathan's departure from character as director error.

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One things for sure good or bad story it sure did get us talking and I must admit I will scrutinize - tape - and review the episode a few times this Sunday. it's just too bad that since 10pm est this past Tuesday I have not been inspired or felt the desire to recommend the episode to anyone else.

Essex

05-22-2003, 04:09 PM

You don't want Martha out of character but you accept Jonathan's departure from character as director error.

Because that particular "out of character" moment could have been totally averted with only one short scene. I still concede that Jonathan AND Martha were otherwise totally in character throughout the episode.

I will scrutinize - tape - and review the episode a few times this Sunday.

That is very sad...even I could find numerous things wrong with EVERY episode if I took time out of my day to scrutinize every detail. If you didn't like it, let it go.

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Golden Falcon

05-22-2003, 05:22 PM

Why is that sad?

Because, I want to reapproach the episode in hopes of getting a better appretiation for it?

I mean I enjoy the series and it's important to me to continue to enjoy it - its too bad that I didn't enjoy the finale as much as others and I wanna look again - not to nit pick but to attempt to enjoy it considering what others like yourself have shared.

Essex

05-22-2003, 05:26 PM

If that's the case then, I apologize. By the wording, it seemed to me like you were planning to re-watch it multiple times with the intent of nit-picking.

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Frostbite

05-22-2003, 06:04 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Essex:
you were planning to re-watch it multiple times with the intent of nit-picking.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Now that would be funny, if not a little pitiful.

ModeMan

05-22-2003, 06:08 PM

Why is that sad?

Because it shows you have nothing better to do with your time. Why not do something constructive like going to message board on the internet and complaining endlessly about an episode of a tv show about Superboy that didn't live up to your expectations. Jeez we've all turned into comic book guy from Simpsons.

I liked the episode. I don't need to nit pick because I just enjoyed it. I thought all the characters acted according realistically. The only time I didn't think so was when both Jonathan and Martha left the wedding. Chloe is a woman. Women do malicious things when they're jilted. Even when they're not. Don't mistake that for mysogany. I love the ladies. I have more respect for women than men overall, but women can be just as cruel and two-faced as any man. For half the reason sometimes.
Showing Clark leaving Smallville left endless possibilities open for the next season. And the episode showed that, whether it was his intention or not, Clark did absolutely everything Jor-El told him he would. That worked well with me.

Sonic1002

10-01-2003, 09:34 PM

Wouldn't it be like me to revive a dead topic? Well, I think it is about time someone did. The season premiere just came on. We need this topic back.
By the way, I've got some poilers in my comments....
I must say, I am impressed. Tom plays an excellent psychopathic Kent. This was my favorite episode for one reason: seeing an evil superman. It's funny to see Mr "Truth, justice, and the american way" chucking clowns and busting open ATMs. And I thought it a nice touch for his secret identity to be Kal.
Jonathon Kent: Superdad!!! That was AWESOME. I can't wait until next week. It'll be the ultimate smackdown!!
Well, I'm gonna stop before I go on a tangent; oh wait, too late. ^_^.

Sonic1002

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The Xenos

10-01-2003, 10:39 PM

Crap! The premere was tongiht, wasn't it? Crap.

-Xenos

ALA)V(O

10-01-2003, 11:12 PM

Yep.It was pretty good.I'm just wondering when Batman/Bruce Wayne will make an appearance.

Frostbite

10-01-2003, 11:26 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by The Xenos:
Crap! The premere was tongiht, wasn't it? Crap.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Yeah, I missed it, too. Is it on EasyView, still?

D.K.HOOD

10-01-2003, 11:53 PM

Ack! Sonic resurrected my uber-thread.

I liked this season opener better than last season's opener and finale. Still, I wish they had stretched things out more. Ever since last season it seems like Smallville has been trying to cram too much into every single episode. Of course we all knew Lex was alive but I think they should have saved that for the next episode. BTW, with all the time spent on make up to give Lex that castaway look you would think his teeth wouldn't have been so sparkling white.

I was really disappointed with how they introduced Morgan Edge, by having him just walk into the room unarmed after Clark tosses his henchmen around. And then he just announces himself to Clark as the biggest crimeboss in Metropolis. That seemed really cheesey to me.

Overall, the acting was pretty good in this episode, but then again it usually is. I guess that's why I keep coming back even when I don't like something they've done on Smallville.

The Xenos

10-02-2003, 04:32 AM

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-Xenos

Kwick22a

10-02-2003, 11:58 PM

Well, it's nice to finally be getting some new episodes but I can't say that I was overly thrilled with the premiere. Don't get me wrong I liked it, but something about it just wasn't sitting right with me. I don't like how they're handling Edge, how he just comes in and says "Hi, I'm the local crimeboss. Want a job?" He actually calls himself a crimeboss, or lord, it's something like that. Has there ever been a crimelord anywhere who actually referred to themselves as one. Usually they refer to themselves as "business men" or some other euphemism. It feels a little like clumsy writing, and there kind of wasting Rutger Hauer's talent.
They didn't spend enough time on Lex being stranded on the island. They took what could have been a really insightful tour of Lex's tortured psyche and reduced it to nothing really. They should have spent at least as much time on Lex as they did on Clark.
Jonathan and Martha losing the farm. On one hand I can buy it, grief over losing both of their children and putting all their energy into finding Clark. I can understand that they might neglect the farm and fall into debt again. But on the other hand Jonathan (and I'm sure I'm not spelling that right) strikes me as the type of person who when faced with intense frustration would throw themselves into their work just so they feel like they're getting something done. So I'm not really down with the whole losing the farm plot. Feels a little to cliche.
Not happy with grumpy Chloe. I know she's on a dark path at the moment, and they're going somewhere with this, but I prefer cheerful curious Chloe over all the sad Chloe we got last season and the grumpy Chloe we're getting now. Just my personal preference

Now for something I did like. My favorite part of this episode has to be when they focused in on the painting of the snake on the cave wall and then it faded into the Lex's Isle with the clouds as the outline of the snake's head. That was a smooth piece of editing right there.
Also like super Jonathan. I think it may turn out to be the best fight on the show so far, but I'll just have to wait and see.

Ok, I'm done.

The Xenos

10-03-2003, 05:10 AM

Ok, i woke up early to finish a lab and decided to finish watch this ep first to wake up.

Well, I enjoyed it. and for further details, SPOILERS!

Well I like Clark's new fashion sense. Can't go wrong with black collared shirts .

As for the farm being it trouble, well wasn't it always on the borderline of being in trouble. Plus sometimes no matter how hard you work, the economy just sucks.

The thing with Lex's castaway friend Lewis.. freaking great. Thought it was all too convenient having another billionaire kid who hates his dad on the island.

Oh and one of my fav quotes, "but every predator is somebody else's prey". Lionel freaking rules. Also the line about Lewis saying he let his psycho side out.

The super-Johnathan was kinda weird, but not totally out of place.

And I still say it's not Jor El, it's Zod!

Oh and lex Luthor is Kyrptonian. (Just kidding on that)

-Xenos

ModeMan

10-03-2003, 04:09 PM

I liked the episode. I liked pretty much everything about it and I disagree with complaints I've heard so far. It was cool. I hope Clark gets smacked around good. I was, however, hoping that a caped crusader in training would come in to stop the crime wave in Metropolis, but what'll ya do?

I say it's Jor-El but with a way different attitude than other incarnations. Instead of being all love sentiment, he seems to be a no-nonsense, I don't have time to explain every little thing just trust me, kind of parent. Everything he's said so far has been true, just taken out of context. Clark's destiny is greater than Jonathan can imagine, and eventually Jonathan will have to step aside and let Clark do his thing. We'll see as the season goes on.

10-03-2003, 05:13 PM

Does Smallville ever make you forget about Lois Lane, with the presence of Lana Lang and Chloe Sullivan? And if Lois were introduced somewhere down the line, how would she win everyone's affections since both Lana and Chloe are established on the show? She would definitely have to be instantly likeable to replace either of those two in the general public's hearts.

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D.K.HOOD

10-03-2003, 05:24 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Welshcat:
Does Smallville ever make you forget about Lois Lane, with the presence of Lana Lang and Chloe Sullivan?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nah. If anybody could talk Clark out of wearing that damn kryptonite ring, it would be Lois.

Darth_zaiyen

10-08-2003, 09:25 PM

Does anyone else think that tonight's episode, "Phoenix", was just one of the best episodes of the whole series? Man, it was so good! My favorite parts:

SPOILER WARNING!!!!

Clark and Jonathon's fight!
Clark gives Edge his blood
Edge sets Lionel up? hehe
Lana Lang: Murderer?
Lex and Helen's final confrontation
The Whole episode

Only thing I didn't like was the whole "I want to learn from you, dad!" speech by Lex. However, I'm sure he has something up his sleeve. http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/wink.gif

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Frostbite

10-08-2003, 09:45 PM

GOD! DAMN! KEEP! ON! FORGETTING! TO! WATCH! SMALLVILLE!

D.K.HOOD

10-08-2003, 11:25 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Darth_zaiyen:
Only thing I didn't like was the whole "I want to learn from you, dad!" speech by Lex. However, I'm sure he has something up his sleeve. http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/wink.gif
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That was my second favorite scene actually. It was such a creepy moment because you know that somewhere in Lionel's mind he's gotta know Lex is up to something. Watching those two trying to outwit one another is more entertaining to me than seeing one more super-powered wrestling match.

I also liked Lex's confrontation with Helen.

I'm still disappointed with Morgan Edge, and of course every single goon that saw Clark use his powers ended up dead. Predictable. I did like how Lana was using her new fighting skills. It was a lot more believable to me in this episode than it was last year.

And was it me or did Chloe look extra good in this episode. Helen looked good too and I'd be willing to overlook attempted murder if she'd have me. http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/biggrin.gif

The_Vampire:Spider

10-08-2003, 11:40 PM

Tonights episode was pretty good pretty good. I wish the fight between dad and son would have been a bit longer, really wanted to see clark get the spanking he deserved. Cant wait for next weel Smallville gets a homocidal stalker.

kvdp_blade

10-09-2003, 12:58 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Frostbite:
GOD! DAMN! KEEP! ON! FORGETTING! TO! WATCH! SMALLVILLE!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I almost forgot. I was mesiing with my Heroclix and looked at the clock. I knew I had missed some thing already even before I looked at the clock. I missed the hole Johnathan/Clark Fight, so if someone would be so kind to say way happened in the fight(LIke Clark hit johnathan with metal bar then Johnathan punched Clark) Some thing like that. And whatever they said. Thanks.

I'm just not used to 8:00 yet and now with Smallville Beggings I get no second chanmces on Sundays. THanks for the help.

Kwick22a

10-09-2003, 11:51 PM

Well over all I liked it. The fight between Clark and Jonathan could have been a bit longer, and I think the reunion with his mother could have been a little more emotional, also they could have had some sort of reunion scene with Pete even if he was just sitting with Martha waiting to hear from Jonathan, and for some reason Rutger Hauer's still felt a little off this week. It was still good though, tied a lot of loose ends up nicely and left some good ones for the future.

So does anyone else suspect that Jonathan will be developing a heart condition because of his stint as a super human?

D.K.HOOD

10-15-2003, 10:36 PM

Tonight's episode was pretty good. And just when I thought that I couldn't hate Lionel even more he picks on Chloe and makes me hate him even more. John Glover is so good in that role but after tonights' episode I am ready for somebody to kill off the character. You know it has to happen eventually because Lex can't ever be truly evil with daddy around. Plus Lionel's evilness is reaching towards Monty Burns levels. If he isn't stopped soon he'll literally start taking candy from little babies.

I also liked the fact that we got a larger glimpse into Lex Luthor's future egomaniacal side.

And damnit, I was hoping Lana would figure out Clark ain't exactly human by now. Maybe Kryptonians emit some kind of pheremone from their sweat glands that makes earth women stupid. Who knows.

D.K.HOOD

10-15-2003, 10:52 PM

Oh, there was one BIG flaw with tonight's episode. Now I can look past the kid not shooting Clark in the head on his first assassination attempt, but not when he had another chance in the school. But I guess that would be too real for Smallville.

Sonic1002

10-16-2003, 06:42 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by D.K.HOOD:
Oh, there was one BIG flaw with tonight's episode. Now I can look past the kid not shooting Clark in the head on his first assassination attempt, but not when he had another chance in the school. But I guess that would be too real for Smallville. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

If he shot him in the head, would there be a show? Would there be a Superman?????

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-Joker

D.K.HOOD

10-16-2003, 08:21 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Sonic1002:
 If he shot him in the head, would there be a show? Would there be a Superman?????
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes. But only if he was grazed by a bullet. Just a slight movement to the left or right by Clark would save his life without him having to show off his powers in front of Lana. He's fast enough to pull that off.

Frostbite

10-16-2003, 05:11 PM

I keep on forgetting to watch Smallville.

D.K.HOOD

10-16-2003, 05:18 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Frostbite:
I keep on forgetting to watch Smallville.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well I keep forgetting to watch Enterprise on the weekends now. I was really getting into that show this season until the new episodes of Smallville started.

The_Vampire:Spider

10-18-2003, 12:51 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by D.K.HOOD:
Oh, there was one BIG flaw with tonight's episode. Now I can look past the kid not shooting Clark in the head on his first assassination attempt, but not when he had another chance in the school. But I guess that would be too real for Smallville. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah that bothered me too. The kid obviously is a good marksman why not go for the 99.9% instant kill. The other thing was how did clark know where Lex was when he was marked for assasination. He was at the cabin saw lex's picture then took off to metropolis, superman psycic now too?

D.K.HOOD

10-21-2003, 06:49 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by The_Vampire:Spider:
The other thing was how did clark know where Lex was when he was marked for assasination. He was at the cabin saw lex's picture then took off to metropolis, superman psycic now too?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I can't remember whether or not that scene was early in the morning or not. If it was in the morning, then Clark probably would have known Lex was heading to the office, seeing as how they are best friends and all. Still, I can see how you came to ask that question. This show seems to be getting a little sloppy and predictable, from the writing on down to the direction(except for most of the acting). The songs they keep chosing are really starting to irritate me. Its not just that most of them sound the same, but you know exactly when they are going to play(almost any scene with Clark and Lana alone with each other). And then the volume of the music usually rises up toward the end of a scene. For what reason? To annoy me? That has to be it because its certainly working.

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Kwick22a

10-21-2003, 08:47 AM

Something that's been bothering me for awhile now is the stuff they do with Kryptonite. Not the mutations, the Kryptonite itself. It looks like crystal and you can even have it cut and polished into jewelery. But then you can melt it down like a metal, and this is where things get really confusing because apparently when it cools down it can either stay in liquid form so you can inhale it, like those guys did last year, or you can pour it into a mold and make into stuff, like in the last episode.
At first I figured molding it worked because he cooled the bullets quickly in the water, but then the melted Kryptonite was so thin that you'd think when the water actually hit it, it would actually be washed out of the mold.
I think it probably would have made more sense if they had had him carve the bullets instead of molding them.
Other than that little thing, it was a pretty good show. And I'm not sure bu ti Think Lionel's hair has gotten even bigger. If this keeps up, then by the end of the show he's going to look like Cousin It.
Well, I gotta go to work.