Protest in Milwaukee

[kah]

A Day Without Latinos (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/W/WI_IMMIGRATION_RALLY_WIOL-?SITE=WIMIL&SECTION=STATE&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT)

That's what they're calling it. This was just on the news a few minutes ago. You wouldn't believe the crowd! As soon as I get more info, I'll post it.

Discuss!

[Asonokirk V 2.0]

A Day Without Latinos (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/W/WI_IMMIGRATION_RALLY_WIOL-?SITE=WIMIL&SECTION=STATE&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT)

That's what they're calling it. This was just on the news a few minutes ago. You wouldn't believe the crowd! As soon as I get more info, I'll post it.

Discuss!

What I find most amusing/troublesome here is that someone, somewhere, seems to have forgotten what this country is about.

What happened to "Give us your tired, your poor . . .?"

This country is great BECAUSE OF IMMIGRANTS, and anyone who wants to come here to create a better life for themselves is not only MORE THAN WELCOME, they are what America is all about and truly represent the spirit of America.

"Illegal" immigrants. Give me a break. We all fit that description. Fuck, be serious.

[Jakester]

Hey, we're a country of immigrants, yup. That's awesome. But we've got too many people comingin illegally and no, not stealing our jobs, but getting the benefits of our society while not paying taxes. A community college in Northern VA was proposing to give FREE TUITION to illegal immigrants, while actual U.S. citizens and VA residents would have to pay full rates. Err...yeah. Sure.

[American]

What happened to "Give us your tired, your poor . . .?"
That went out with increased payouts for welfare, increased payouts for basic services and increased crime without any of them (illegals) paying taxes to recoup the losses. Without illegals, our nation's budget deficit would be much lower and many states would probably be seeing surpluses

From the article:
About 90 Latino-owned businesses on Milwaukee's south side were closed part or all the day to support of the protest, organizers said. About a dozen in Racine and Kenosha closed as several hundred people also protested in downtown Racine.
Yeah...that's smart. Shut down your shops and lose income. Real good.


Restaurant worker Juan Hernandez left his job with more than a dozen others to march at the rally. He said it was a matter of pride.

His boss gave them permission to leave the restaurant, which was closed for the first time ever, he said.
His boss is a moron. To have to lose money because this dipwad is mad about an illegal immigration bill, i'd fire the bastard and hire a White American so i wouldn't have to put up with that shit everytime some Pro-immigration group got itchy and wanted to protest against Anti-immigration legislation

[sickness]

Hey, I forgot to ask. How's your Nazi & KKK paraphenalia collection going?

[American]

Hey, I forgot to ask. How's your Nazi & KKK paraphenalia collection going?
That's cute. Very creative. Took you only 6 minutes to come up with it.

Just because i think that illegals don't belong in this country and that hispanics who shut down a city just because they think their brethren who are BREAKING THE LAW are being discriminated against by our Congress are a bunch of mindless boobs, does NOT make me a racist.

Labelling someone as a racist is the easiest thing to do. Who are you Sickness? Is your name Jesse Jackson by any chance?

[American]

And while you're busy attacking me for expressing my views, take a gander at this and tell me, is my concern a tad justified:

Welcome to Maywood, Where Roads Open Up for Immigrants

The mostly Latino city's council wants it to be a sanctuary. Some warn about 'testing the limits.'

By Hector Becerra, Times Staff Writer
March 21, 2006

At a time when communities across the nation are considering efforts to crack down on illegal immigration, one small city south of downtown Los Angeles is charting a different course.

In Maywood, where 96% of the residents are Latino, and more than half are foreign-born, the City Council has vowed to make the municipality a "sanctuary city" for illegal immigrants, and over the last few months it has set out to prove it.

Read rest of story here! (http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-maywood21mar21,0,6074160.story?page=1&coll=la-home-headlines)

What say you Sickness? What say you, my fellow Lounge Rats?

[sickness]

That's cute. Very creative. Took you only 6 minutes to come up with it.

Just because i think that illegals don't belong in this country and that hispanics who shut down a city just because they think their brethren who are BREAKING THE LAW are being discriminated against by our Congress are a bunch of mindless boobs, does NOT make me a racist.

Labelling someone as a racist is the easiest thing to do. Who are you Sickness? Is your name Jesse Jackson by any chance?

Perhaps I should have been more clear.

...hire a White American...

That's why I think you're a racist. And apparently I'm not far off the mark if your reaction is to insist that the ideal solution is only to hire a white person. But, then, what happens if the boss hires a white person and white people decide to enact a general strike because illegals aren't being investigated vigorously and shipped back home (which they already are) and companies aren't already getting fines and possible criminal proceedings for knowingly hiring illegals (Wal-Mart, anyone)? What then? Are they doing the right thing? You know, because white people have it SOOOOOO hard in this country. We got it so bad man. So bad. I'm so pissed off about the treatment of white people in this country, I think I'll take the day off work in protest, go back to my apartment (which I secured -- and could have secured anywhere in the country -- in less than a day unlike all those gooks and spics and niggers who get the run-around on a daily basis, but they've got no right to complain... what does HUD know?), finally finish setting up my computer and blast Korn and Limp Bizkit all day to show what an angry white guy I am!

[sickness]

And while you're busy attacking me for expressing my views, take a gander at this and tell me, is my concern a tad justified:



Read rest of story here! (http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-maywood21mar21,0,6074160.story?page=1&coll=la-home-headlines)

What say you Sickness? What say you, my fellow Lounge Rats?

They're certainly entitled to their own opinion. I think it's a dangerous precedent to set, but I would hardly call it a train wreck. I'm against illegal immigration but I can certainly see where this movement is coming from considering the town is 96% Latino.

This and the House bill sparking the protests in Milwaukee make me see both sides as completely retarded. That fence should cover the entire border.

[Intelligent_Design]

Hey, we're a country of immigrants, yup. That's awesome.


Hey, my peoples never wanted to come here in the first place. So I consider myself a 3rd generation child of an undocumented foreign worker. So ha!!! :)

[DaForce]

That went out with increased payouts for welfare, increased payouts for basic services and increased crime without any of them (illegals) paying taxes to recoup the losses. Without illegals, our nation's budget deficit would be much lower and many states would probably be seeing surpluses

*Sigh*

Actually, we didn't have a budget deficit until Dubya decided to make his 'pre-emptive strike' on Iraq. Look it up. Clinton had actually gotten this country back to a surplus of money for the first time in about 40 years..then your brokeback cowboy of a president came along and blew that money and about an extra trillion dollars.

Try to read a few books before you burn them at the local rally, 'mkay?




His boss is a moron. To have to lose money because this dipwad is mad about an illegal immigration bill, i'd fire the bastard and hire a White American so i wouldn't have to put up with that shit everytime some Pro-immigration group got itchy and wanted to protest against Anti-immigration legislation


Are you really this stupid in real life? I just had to ask, because if you're not, you deserve an Oscar.

Now, everytime some racist cracker of a redneck brings up the 'they're a stealin' jobs from good ole god-a-fearin' white people' arguement, they forget what kind of jobs they're talking about and what little pay those jobs pull in. No 'White American' (which in my Racist to English Dictionary translates as 'caucasian') would take the jobs that these people are doing because they pay so low. Most caucasians (especially uneducated American caucasians) are lazy when it comes to those types of jobs, especially if the pay sucks. Instead, these lazy, white, crackers would rather stay at home collecting unemployment checks, playing the lotto, and hoping to 'get their big break on American Idol'.

Homer Simpson said it best, "The half-assed way, is the American way."







Wow.


Guess you never read anything (obviously!!) from the last time we went through this on the old board.

[DaForce]

Hey, my peoples never wanted to come here in the first place. So I consider myself a 3rd generation child of an undocumented foreign worker. So ha!!! :)


Well, actually ID, I believe you're the 3rd generation child of an 'invited' worker.


See how that works out?


Hmm?

[/sarcasm]
:rolleyes:

[Bill_the_Pony]

http://www.excelsiornews.com/xboard/images/smiles/blahblah.gif......hire a White American.....http://www.excelsiornews.com/xboard/images/smiles/blahblah.gif



:rolleyes:

[Jakester]

Hey, my peoples never wanted to come here in the first place
Cool. I never asked to be born here, either. I wanted a cool British accent.

[omicron]

While I don't FULLY agree with American, I do have a problem with illegal immigrants coming over here.

Sure, they may be taking low end jobs that most people don't want to do. Then again, if they weren't here or weren't available(either thru deportation or severe fining of employers who utilize these workers) then SOMEONE would have to do it. And probably at a better wage then the illegals get. And they also take services and benefits that people do want, and they usually do it without paying for it.

I wonder how much health care money is spent on indigent illegals, or how much is spent on auto accidents and crime investigation done by illegals? I have no problem with people wanting to come here. DO IT THE RIGHT WAY. FOLLOW THE RULES.

Omi

[Intelligent_Design]

Homer Simpson said it best, "The half-assed way, is the American way."
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Hell yeah, dude 1 Mexican can do the work of 10 Americans in half the time. Thats why we can't let them become American citizens, they would run this place in 5 years. Its ok when Mexican apply that work ethic to cutting lawns and painting house but could you imagine what would happen if they applied this to say....the banking industry.

[Intelligent_Design]

Cool. I never asked to be born here, either. I wanted a cool British accent.

Without the bad teeth I hope.:)

[DaForce]

Without the bad teeth I hope.:)


Too late for Jake!


:D

[Intelligent_Design]

Too late for Jake!


:D


Bad teeth without the cool accent? Maybe God hates Jake? :)

[Corporal_Hicks]

Drawing comparisons between illegal immigration now and slavery then is so flawed I don't even know where to begin.

[kah]

Update on Milwaukee Rally (http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=410404)

Federal Government Shortfalls on Repayment to Counties Dealing with Immigrant Problem (http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-03-07-immigrants-health_x.htm)

One Year Of Illegal Alien Health Care Costs Would Pay For Border Barrier (http://www.parapundit.com/archives/001731.html)

[Intelligent_Design]

Drawing comparisons between illegal immigration now and slavery then is so flawed I don't even know where to begin.

True, I was just being flippant. I got past the whole slavery thing a long time ago. The biggest similarity between the two is human beings are dehumanized greatly. People stop becoming humans and start becoming just slaves or Illegal humans. Which I don't get because this is not our land its God's land if you believe in that sort of thing.

[KingVoyeur]

So how hard is it to actually obtain Naturalization or US Citizenship? Is it really that much trouble to apply for citizenship/naturalization that people feel the need to bypass legal procedures and endure the hardships of trying to sneak in and attempt to live a normal life while avoiding arrest and deportation?

I feel like anyone who wants to come to America (or any country for that matter) should have the opportunity to do so and be given a chance, as long as they agree to follow the laws and procedures of that country and reside peacefully. That's why you'd want to move to another country anyways, because you prefer the way that country works over the one you currently reside in, right? I checked out some government websites, and it seems like all the information and assistance to become a citizen is out there for anyone who cares to look, even without Internet access.

I know that I'm lucky to have been born here, but my ancestors were immigrants like everyone else's (well, not Native Americans, but I guess go far enough back and even they migrated over the land bridge) , and they had to go through Ellis Island in the early 1900s to become citizens (which, from what I've read, was a pretty harsh process). They took the tests, went through the physical and mental exams, following the proper procedures because they knew that that was the way our country worked and they wanted to be a part of and uphold that. I feel like anyone who sneaks in, whatever their nationality (I'm talking to you too, ya damn Canucks :wink:), is just taking advantage of and showing no respect for the system they claim to want to be a part of. If you want to be a part of this nation, show some respect and prove it. Immigrants should (temporarily) be allowed the same rights as the rest of the country, provided they have begun the process of becoming permanent citizens, at which point they would get full rights. If you just want all the benefits without any responsibilities (taxes, voting, etc.), then get the F out.

[Intelligent_Design]

[SERIOUSQUESTION] They took the tests, went through the physical and mental exams, following the proper procedures because they knew that that was the way our country worked and they wanted to be a part of and uphold that.


You understand Mexicans were here before your ancestors know the earth was round? Wow!! don't schools teach history anymore?

[KingVoyeur]

Maybe so, but I'm not talking about who was here first, I'm talking about the the current nation that exists in this land and the fact that it was created by immigrants.

[Intelligent_Design]

Maybe so, but I'm not talking about who was here first, I'm talking about the the current nation that exists in this land and the fact that it was created by immigrants.


I'm sorry I thought we were talking about your ancestors right to be here because they passed some test at Ellis island and later peoples don't have a right to be here because they didn't pass said or any test. I guess I got that from your Get the "F" out comment.

[KingVoyeur]

The main point there is that they did what they were required to do to become part of the country. The test by itself is just an example. Did you just skip the part where I said everyone should be given the opportunity to be here as long as they agree to abide by the same laws as everyone else?

[jayce78]

I'm sorry I thought we were talking about your ancestors right to be here because they passed some test at Ellis island and later peoples don't have a right to be here because they didn't pass said or any test. I guess I got that from your Get the "F" out comment.



Whooo . . .


Anger Issues! Everyone screams equality in America but wants to wimpier & cry about it when it doesn't work to there advantage . . .

[Intelligent_Design]

Did you just skip the part where I said everyone should be given the opportunity to be here as long as they agree to abide by the same laws as everyone else?
I agree and for what its worth it seems Latinos on the whole are more law abiding than most large immigrant groups that have come here. Irish and Italians are the best example of this. Even the English that came here were all criminals in England's eyes after the revolt.

[Intelligent_Design]

Whooo . . .


Anger Issues! Everyone screams equality in America but wants to wimpier & cry about it when it doesn't work to there advantage . . .


Hey I agree. Equality must come through pain and suffering, you have to earn it. Asking for it and crying about it will not get it done. IMO

[KingVoyeur]

I agree and for what its worth it seems Latinos on the whole are more law abiding than most large immigrant groups that have come here. Irish and Italians are the best example of this. Even the English that came here were all criminals in England's eyes after the revolt.

I don't really think that people fighting for a country's independence can really be compared to people illegally reaping the benefits 200 years later (I'm not speaking of Latinos as a whole, just the ones illegally entering the country).

[Intelligent_Design]

I don't really think that people fighting for a country's independence can really be compared to people illegally reaping the benefits 200 years later.

Well the British may disagree with you.

[sickness]

The British of 200 years ago may disagree but I don't think many of them care, now. Especially since we're probably their most powerful ally.

Perhaps Neglet would be willing to fill us in.

[neglet]

The British don't hold a grudge against us--not while the French are still around! (Besides, as one of their major economic trading partners, even after the Revolution, there was too much money to be made to stay mad at us.)

Besides, they love our outlet malls, sinking dollar, and easy American chicks who think British accents are sexy. Plus, the older Brits who remember it are still grateful about us helping them out in WWII. I could tell you stories about all the lovely things the British said/did to me as an American after 9/11, but you would weep and we wouldn't want to short out your keyboards.

And for those of you who seem to think it's easy to come to this country legally, I suggest you read this recent "My Turn" from Newsweek. (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11901801/site/newsweek/)

[Intelligent_Design]

The British of 200 years ago may disagree but I don't think many of them care, now.


Yeah thats what I meant.(Maybe that was a weak argument on my part) My whole point is that Immigrants will always viewed as interlopers till they assimilate. and every large immigrant group has assimilated here so I don't see why Latinos should be any different. This is their fight and its not gonna be easy. They are here now for good or bad. They got a bigger jump on most immigrant groups because they wield massive power and collective money in a short time. It took blacks 300 years to get where they are now. This maybe their 1960's

[Corporal_Hicks]

I feel like anyone who wants to come to America (or any country for that matter) should have the opportunity to do so and be given a chance, as long as they agree to follow the laws and procedures of that country and reside peacefully. That's why you'd want to move to another country anyways, because you prefer the way that country works over the one you currently reside in, right? I checked out some government websites, and it seems like all the information and assistance to become a citizen is out there for anyone who cares to look, even without Internet access.

Bingo!

[jayce78]

I agree and for what its worth it seems Latinos on the whole are more law abiding than most large immigrant groups that have come here. Irish and Italians are the best example of this. Even the English that came here were all criminals in England's eyes after the revolt.



Very true indeed! We consider all you American's criminals!!

[Corporal_Hicks]

And some of you criticize Republicans for living in the past?

Jeebus aged Christ!












:lol:

[Intelligent_Design]

Very true indeed! We consider all you American's criminals!!


HAHAHA!!!! Maybe you guys should stop exporting your criminals. You guys messed up a whole continent with that crap. :)

[sickness]

HAHAHA!!!! Maybe you guys should stop exporting your criminals. You guys messed up a whole continent with that crap. :)

Nah. It's in their blood to export their criminals and have them revolt against them (U.S., India) or demand dominion status (Australia, South Africa). :lol: They can't help it, man. They're retarded about doing it.

[jayce78]

HAHAHA!!!! Maybe you guys should stop exporting your criminals. You guys messed up a whole continent with that crap. :)



Actually , I'm from the imports mate!:lol:

[American]

They're certainly entitled to their own opinion. I think it's a dangerous precedent to set, but I would hardly call it a train wreck.
Hardly call it a train wreck? When does it become a train wreck? When it's done to LA (The mayor of LA's been trying that since he got elected)? When it happens to Chicago? To your hometown?


Most caucasians (especially uneducated American caucasians) are lazy when it comes to those types of jobs, especially if the pay sucks. Instead, these lazy, white, crackers would rather stay at home collecting unemployment checks, playing the lotto, and hoping to 'get their big break on American Idol'.
Are you sure you aren't talking about Blacks?


Hell yeah, dude 1 Mexican can do the work of 10 Americans in half the time. Thats why we can't let them become American citizens, they would run this place in 5 years.
Well goody for them. And at the end of the day, they go somewhere to send that money to Mexico instead of putting it in our economy. It's bad enough they don't pay taxes to compensate for the loss generated by having to provide for them, now they go and send off the money back home, so family members can afford coyotes to bring THEM across the border.

As for running this place, they already have their hands squeezing the balls of both major parties and they have a whole town under their control...see the Maywood article. Reconquista at it's finest.


Federal Government Shortfalls on Repayment to Counties Dealing with Immigrant Problem (http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-03-07-immigrants-health_x.htm)
So overwhelmed they can't catch up.


I agree and for what its worth it seems Latinos on the whole are more law abiding than most large immigrant groups that have come here.
I didn't know you were a comedian Osirus. Latinos more law-abiding. Besides the fact that the ones who spill into our country illegally get labelled criminals, you have them doing other things. Robbery, rape, murder, destruction of property (Of course, many a times Hispanics get labelled "white" for some f-ed up reason by authorities. Probably to hide the true stats of hispanic crime in this nation). All part of the "Moral Family Values" Bush spoke of once.

[kah]

The British don't hold a grudge against us--not while the French are still around! (Besides, as one of their major economic trading partners, even after the Revolution, there was too much money to be made to stay mad at us.)

Besides, they love our outlet malls, sinking dollar, and easy American chicks who think British accents are sexy. Plus, the older Brits who remember it are still grateful about us helping them out in WWII. I could tell you stories about all the lovely things the British said/did to me as an American after 9/11, but you would weep and we wouldn't want to short out your keyboards.

And for those of you who seem to think it's easy to come to this country legally, I suggest you read this recent "My Turn" from Newsweek. (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11901801/site/newsweek/)


I have actually heard this same thing from a Ivory Coast man living in Italy. He was dating my boyfriend's mother, and told us how hard it was for him to get a Visa to come here. Italy seems to be especially bad. He said it took him over a month to get his Visa the last time. The officials had no problem granting him a short Visa, but when he applied for a fiance Visa, then the story changed. They knew he wouldn't be coming back, so they made it very difficult for him to leave. He even believes they deliberately LOST his paperwork so he'd have to wait another 14 days to refile. Eventually, the bf's mother and he broke up, but he never got back to the US.

[kah]

Ok, I've been doing a lot of searching, and I found this (http://www.cis.org/articles/2005/kephart.html) in the middle of it.

How hard can it be for Mexicans to come here legally, if terrorists can do it? Is it the money issue?

[Intelligent_Design]

Ok, I've been doing a lot of searching, and I found this (http://www.cis.org/articles/2005/kephart.html) in the middle of it.

How hard can it be for Mexicans to come here legally, if terrorists can do it? Is it the money issue?


My american Citizenship is is up for grabs for any Mexican citizen that lives in Cabo San Lucas and wants to swap and Move to Midwest.

[Intelligent_Design]

Wow 500,000 (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/I/IMMIGRATION_RALLIES?SITE=7219&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2006-03-25-02-15-35)


If our leaders don't see that as a new untapped voter base they are stupider than advertised :) Those number could make or break a party. I'm curious who has the inside track.

[DaForce]

Edited for content by me....


I'm Daforce, and I approve this message.

[kah]

Wow 500,000 (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/I/IMMIGRATION_RALLIES?SITE=7219&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2006-03-25-02-15-35)


If our leaders don't see that as a new untapped voter base they are stupider than advertised :) Those number could make or break a party. I'm curious who has the inside track.

Why do you think W has been so reluctant to enforce stricter immigration policy?

[kah]

More talking points for all of you!


W's Immigration Fallacy (http://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/_nypost-ws_immigration_fallacy.htm)


Social Security Funds for Illegal Aliens? (http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=iic_immigrationissuecenters3ac f)

[Intelligent_Design]

Why do you think W has been so reluctant to enforce stricter immigration policy?
This guy doesn't even hide his racism. I guess the republicans have stated their position (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12017855/site/newsweek/)


They are "a scourge that threatens the very future of our nation," he says. He laments "the cult of multiculturalism," and worries about America's becoming a "Tower of Babel."


This dude is taking his cue from the "Young Hitler's Handbook". I guess he wants death squads and information boxes also.

[kah]

This guy doesn't even hide his racism. I guess the republicans have stated their position (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12017855/site/newsweek/)


First, I'd like you to tell me what he did that was racist. Second, in case you haven't noticed, neither the reps. nor the dems. can agree within thier own parties on what their positions are.

[Intelligent_Design]

First, I'd like you to tell me what he did that was racist.

I don't know if you are trying to be naive or what but when someone calls a race of people "a scourge". That smacks of racism to me.


Second, in case you haven't noticed, neither the reps. nor the dems. can agree within thier own parties on what their positions are.

I guess you just glossed over this part

"As the House and Senate debate the nation's immigration and border-security laws, the four-term Coloradan has positioned himself as the loudest, angriest voice against the estimated 11 million illegal aliens now living in the United States."

I think he is positioning himself to be the republican mouthpiece on the subject.

[Asonokirk V 2.0]

My position is it is immigration that has made this country great. "Give us your tired, your poor" etc. is what we're all about here. Or at least it was, apparently. I am just disgusted by the hate of people who WERE FUCKING LUCKY ENOUGH TO BE BORN HERE, towards those who love freedom so much they are willing to abandon their own native lands for a chance at a better life here. Not only should we not pass restrictive immigration legislation, we should drop those laws we do have and let this country get back to what we are. The place where the oppressed of the world can go to be free.

The more people we let into this country, people who have the heart, will, and desire to BE Amercians, the better off all of us will be. It is the people that make us great, not anything else.

Economically, opening our borders to all would be a tremendous boon.

[omicron]

Say you have a big house in a really nice neighborhood. I really want to live in that neighborhood, because of the low crime rate, nice schools, etc. So I simply move into an empty room in your house.

"Wait a minute," you say, "This is my house. I pay the mortgage, taxes, etc"

"So," I say, "You've got plenty of room. The cops don't really seem to have time to force me to move out, and besides, I clean up after myself and do stuff around the house."

Nevermind I am getting the benefits of living in your house, using your utilities, sending my kids to your school district, etc. without paying or earning them

Nevermind that there's no legal reason why I couldn't move into the neighborhood if I had the will and means to do so.

This is the way I look at the illegal immigration problem and their apparent scoff-law approach to immigration laws.

I have no problem with people wanting to move here. Give me your poor, your tired, your hungry yearning to be free. I don't care if they're white, brown, black or yellow. But there are rules and laws in place for them to obey to earn citizenship.

Omicron

[Intelligent_Design]

My position is it is immigration that has made this country great. "Give us your tired, your poor" etc. is what we're all about here. Or at least it was, apparently. I am just disgusted by the hate of people who WERE FUCKING LUCKY ENOUGH TO BE BORN HERE, towards those who love freedom so much they are willing to abandon their own native lands for a chance at a better life here. Not only should we not pass restrictive immigration legislation, we should drop those laws we do have and let this country get back to what we are. The place where the oppressed of the world can go to be free.

The more people we let into this country, people who have the heart, will, and desire to BE Amercians, the better off all of us will be. It is the people that make us great, not anything else.

Economically, opening our borders to all would be a tremendous boon.

I totally agree!!!

[Intelligent_Design]

Say you have a big house in a really nice neighborhood. I really want to live in that neighborhood, because of the low crime rate, nice schools, etc. So I simply move into an empty room in your house.

"Wait a minute," you say, "This is my house. I pay the mortgage, taxes, etc"

"So," I say, "You've got plenty of room. The cops don't really seem to have time to force me to move out, and besides, I clean up after myself and do stuff around the house."

Nevermind I am getting the benefits of living in your house, using your utilities, sending my kids to your school district, etc. without paying or earning them

Nevermind that there's no legal reason why I couldn't move into the neighborhood if I had the will and means to do so.

This is the way I look at the illegal immigration problem and their apparent scoff-law approach to immigration laws.

I have no problem with people wanting to move here. Give me your poor, your tired, your hungry yearning to be free. I don't care if they're white, brown, black or yellow. But there are rules and laws in place for them to obey to earn citizenship.

Omicron

So you would be ok with granting citizenship to every person thats not American in this coutry....I mean its just a matter of paperwork right?

[omicron]

So you would be ok with granting citizenship to every person thats not American in this coutry....I mean its just a matter of paperwork right?

I would be ok with granting citizenship to those who apply through proper channels, are approved after a background check, and then take an oath before a judge.

I just have a problem with the thousands and thousands who come in illegally every day. I guess if we were playing D&D, I would be considered Lawful Good. :) :ohwell:

I admit I haven't read in depth on the protests and their desires. But let's put it this way. I want to drive, but I just don't feel like getting certified and licensed. So I just drive illegally, with no training or insurance. Now a bunch of nonlicensed people are petitioning to not only be allowed to drive, but they don't have to take tests or training or anything. And that's wrong in my book.

If you want the rights and opportunities the US has so bad, then work for it. If you can't or won't, then make your country a better place so that you don't need to illegally sneak across a border for a better life.

:dunno:

Just my 2 pesos worth,

Omi

[Intelligent_Design]

I would be ok with granting citizenship to those who apply through proper channels, are approved after a background check, and then take an oath before a judge.

I just have a problem with the thousands and thousands who come in illegally every day. I guess if we were playing D&D, I would be considered Lawful Good. :) :ohwell:

I admit I haven't read in depth on the protests and their desires. But let's put it this way. I want to drive, but I just don't feel like getting certified and licensed. So I just drive illegally, with no training or insurance. Now a bunch of nonlicensed people are petitioning to not only be allowed to drive, but they don't have to take tests or training or anything. And that's wrong in my book.

If you want the rights and opportunities the US has so bad, then work for it. If you can't or won't, then make your country a better place so that you don't need to illegally sneak across a border for a better life.

:dunno:

Just my 2 pesos worth,

Omi

Do you realize what a nightmare processing 11 million people would create. Hell I would rather them be here illegally if your raise my taxes to cover that and I'm sure the results would be less than satisfactory.

[kah]

I don't know if you are trying to be naive or what but when someone calls a race of people "a scourge". That smacks of racism to me.

He was referring to illegal aliens, key word being illegal. He has no problem with people coming from others countries legally. In case you missed this part,

Back at the immigration ceremony, Tancredo thanked the new citizens for coming to the United States "the right way," and urged them to "cast aside loyalties to your old countries and walk with us." One lucky person walked away with more than a citizenship certificate. When he heard that a young woman from Mexico had waited more than a year for her paperwork to clear, Tancredo approached her. He apologized that he was out of the lapel pins he usually hands out. Instead, he gave her a more personal gift: his American-flag necktie. "Gracias," she said.

His comments about muliculturism had to do with immigrants coming to our country and refusing to adapt American ways. A little editorial piece I'm sure you've all read ~~here (http://www.accsnet.com/users/wolf/only154.htm)

Another little factoid from the Center for Immigration Studies (http://www.cis.org/articles/2002/back1402.html)



I guess you just glossed over this part

"As the House and Senate debate the nation's immigration and border-security laws, the four-term Coloradan has positioned himself as the loudest, angriest voice against the estimated 11 million illegal aliens now living in the United States."

I think he is positioning himself to be the republican mouthpiece on the subject.


I think you are mistaken. I wasn't referring to the article when I made that comment. I was referring to fact. Read just a few of these votes.

Ted Kennedy on Immigration
Democratic Sr Senator (MA)

Voted NO on allowing more foreign workers into the U.S. for farm work. (Jul 1998)
Voted NO on visas for skilled workers. (May 1998)
Voted NO on limit welfare for immigrants. (Jun 1997)

John McCain on Immigration
Republican Sr Senator (AZ); '00 Primary Candidate for President

Make possible for immigrants to do a job Americans won't do. (Oct 2004)
Give everyone in the world an opportunity to come to America. (Oct 2004)
No more ballot initiatives against immigration. (Mar 1999)
More help for legal immigrants when immigrating & once here. (Jul 1998)
Voted YES on allowing more foreign workers into the U.S. for farm work. (Jul 1998)
Voted YES on visas for skilled workers. (May 1998)
Voted YES on limit welfare for immigrants. (Jun 1997)
English immersion over bilingual education. (Jul 2001)

George W. Bush on Immigration
President of the United States, Former Republican Governor (TX)

Our economy could not function without the immigrants. (Jan 2006)
Support a humane guest-worker program that rejects amnesty. (Jan 2006)
It's time to permit temporary guest workers. (Feb 2005)
Temporary workers ok, but no amnesty. (Oct 2004)
A time-limited worker card for the illegal immigrants. (Oct 2004)
Don't believe we ought to have amnesty. (Oct 2004)
Support temporary worker program but oppose amnesty. (Jan 2004)
New temporary worker program includes illegal aliens. (Jan 2004)
Mexico: immigration reform in exchange for oil development. (Jun 2003)
Respect other languages, but teach all children English. (Nov 2000)
$500M to cut INS application time to 6 months. (Jul 2000)
Welcome Latinos; immigration is not a problem to be solved. (Jun 2000)
Make INS more “immigrant friendly”. (Jun 2000)
High tech: More H-1B worker visas; less export controls. (Apr 2000)
Farm policy: Open markets abroad; more H-2A worker visas. (Apr 2000)
Latinos enrich us; family values go past Rio Grande. (Feb 2000)
More border guards to compassionately turn away Mexicans. (Dec 1999)
Guest workers, maybe; citizenship waiting period, yes. (Aug 1999)


Barack Obama on Immigration
Democratic Jr Senator (IL); previously State Senator

Extend welfare and Medicaid to immigrants. (Jul 1998)


Where do you see all Republicans jumping on the Tancredo train?

One more thing... Why is it that European countries only want skilled immigrants, and no one talks shit about that?

[Intelligent_Design]

He was referring to illegal aliens, key word being illegal. He has no problem with people coming from others countries legally. In case you missed this part,

Back at the immigration ceremony, Tancredo thanked the new citizens for coming to the United States "the right way," and urged them to "cast aside loyalties to your old countries and walk with us." One lucky person walked away with more than a citizenship certificate. When he heard that a young woman from Mexico had waited more than a year for her paperwork to clear, Tancredo approached her. He apologized that he was out of the lapel pins he usually hands out. Instead, he gave her a more personal gift: his American-flag necktie. "Gracias," she said.

I don't care about a passing reference he made, illegal or not you don't call a race "a scourge" and anyone that would defend that position needs step back and look at what he is saying. I guess if he was alive around the same time of the civil war he would say the same thing about the freed slaves. Thats my op-ed piece.:ohwell:

His comments about muliculturism had to do with immigrants coming to our country and refusing to adapt American ways.

We are free here we don't have to adapt to any so called "American way" if I want to display a Mexican flag, you adapt to that because nothing can stop me. If I wake up tomorrow and decide to speak Spanish the rest of my life, who will stop me.



Where do you see all Republicans jumping on the Tancredo train? This guy wants to be the anti-immigration voice time will tell if he becomes that. But his verbiage is somewhat disturbing so I hope he never rises to that position.

[qoute]One more thing... Why is it that European countries only want skilled immigrants, and no one talks shit about that?[/QuoTE]

2 words!!! Fuk Europe!!

I see a lot of stawman arguements here.

[Queen Mae]

We are free here we don't have to adapt to any so called "American way" if I want to display a Mexican flag, you adapt to that because nothing can stop me. If I wake up tomorrow and decide to speak Spanish the rest of my life, who will stop me.


Okay, so I wrote a long post about how I agree with this sentiment, but then I ended up going on a long diatribe about why I loved New Orleans and I'm sure you people are tired of hearing that kind of thing from me, so I'll just say this to Osirus: :hugs:

[Asonokirk V 2.0]

I think what has happened is that we have lost our way. The cold war and everything that has occurred since the end of WWII has seen America forget what we really are about, the idealism and spirit that brought everyone here in the first place.

Every last freaking one of us here can trace our ancestory to immigrants to these shores, and that includes Native Americans, who migrated here from elsewhere also. This is the United States of America, land of the FREE, home of the BRAVE and we have forgotten what our purpose is and was. Now we've become that which we sought to avoid in the beginning. We're just a big, oppressive, bully who has perverted the concept of why this country was founded.

I sure hope someone steps forward in our political arena and says what we need to hear: That we must remember why we came to be in the first place.

[DaForce]

Okay, so if you really, really want to get out of all this stupid bullshit arguing about illegals eating up resources, etc., the best way to make it so that everyone contributes is pretty simple.

Get rid of income tax (both state and fed and taxes taken from paychecks) and just raise the taxes on everything. Luxury items, items like SUV's, coffee, etc., would get double or triple taxed. This way everyone has to pay their fair share no matter if they're legal, illegal, or other. Monies go to schools, infrastructures, etc.

But this will never happen.

Why? Because the IRS is too powerful an entity (in direct violation of the Constitution), and Congress is so full of special interest groups for sale to the highest bidder that what's good for the country and the people take a third seat to agendas and lobbyist's paychecks.

But hey, that guy that snuck into the country in the back of a crowded truck that sat in the sun for 28 hours is the bigger threat right? The same guy that just wants to earn a living so that he can provide for his family and be proud for a change?


Honestly, sometimes some of you ought to wake up and smell what you're shoveling.

[Queen Mae]

oh I want to hug you too.

But now I have this terrible fear of someone triple taxing my triple latte.

[kah]

Okay, so if you really, really want to get out of all this stupid bullshit arguing about illegals eating up resources, etc., the best way to make it so that everyone contributes is pretty simple.

Get rid of income tax (both state and fed and taxes taken from paychecks) and just raise the taxes on everything. Luxury items, items like SUV's, coffee, etc., would get double or triple taxed. This way everyone has to pay their fair share no matter if they're legal, illegal, or other. Monies go to schools, infrastructures, etc.

But this will never happen.

Why? Because the IRS is too powerful an entity (in direct violation of the Constitution), and Congress is so full of special interest groups for sale to the highest bidder that what's good for the country and the people take a third seat to agendas and lobbyist's paychecks.
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Honestly, I believe that would be more fair. I would rather pay taxes on what I want than what I need. It should be based on luxury, as DaForce said. I'm not saying there shouldn't be any taxes, but let's say you are buying a car. If you buy a Geo Metro, maybe you should only be taxed 2% as opposed to the 10% tax for buying an Escalade. I'm sure people would pay more for the luxury of having a high end vehicle and the burden on the environment of lower mpg and higher pollutants.

Anyways, being a single person, and having no deductions, I can expect to take home less than 1/2 to 2/3 of my paycheck, depending on what tax bracket I fall under. The government does whatever it wants with my money with little or no say from me as to where it goes. I do without a lot because I can't afford it. If I had that other half of my paycheck back, I would spend it on things I want (probably). Income taxes should work like property taxes. You choose where you want to live, and you get taxes based on services you receive as a homeowner in that community. If you want more services, or less services, you can vote in town meetings and have your opinion heard and matter.

We elect representatives from our areas of the country to be our voice in the federal government. However, how often do they actually reflect our opinions? Maybe some of their constituents agree with them, but I am willing to bet that most don't. I think in order to have accountability in government, any issue that a congressman or senator votes on should be voted on before hand in their locality. Then, they can vote based on the majority wishes of their constituency. Oh, wait! Then we wouldn't really need them, would we? Back when this country started, we needed representatives, because it was too hard to set up voting for every issue for every person in the country to have a say. I don't see why we can't do it now. Local government works that way, for the most part. I want representatives that exist to carry out the wishes of the majority. I don't want mayors and governors and congressmen and presidents to have the power to make the choices for us anymore. If Americans thought their votes would actually matter, I'd bet they be more encouraged to vote. Instead, we are left here arguing with one another about the state of things, a state which is not being decided on by us, but by politicians we elected based on what they told us was important to them.

Sorry about my libertarian rant. I'll just shut up now and let the hate continue.

[kah]

I was just watching news video about the protests in France and I thought it was quite a switch from the immigration protestors who are so orderly and well-behaved.
Why is it that so many protests seem to draw rioters, yet so many others are carried out calmly, and with dignity, even though the issues mean just as much to either group?

Protests in France Over Youth Labor Law Turn Violent (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/29/international/europe/29france.html?pagewanted=2&_r=1)

Americas Summit Protest Turns Violent (http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/americas/11/04/bush.summit/index.html/)

Muhammad Cartoons Spark Violent Protest (http://www.pbs.org/newshour/extra/features/jan-june06/cartoons_2-15.html)

2005 civil unrest in France (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_civil_unrest_in_France)

Non-Violent Resistance (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonviolent_resistance)

[Intelligent_Design]

Why is it that so many protests seem to draw rioters, yet so many others are carried out calmly, and with dignity, even though the issues mean just as much to either group?




I think the level of unrest is equal or greater than the level of resistence to said protest. I watched the Fox new coverage of the France riots yesterday. I saw water cannons and teargas bombs that in my estimation may have had something to do with it. We will see how peaceful these immigrant marches are once the Minutemen show up. I think Snake Plissken might have a hard time escaping from that LA.:)

[neglet]

I was just watching news video about the protests in France and I thought it was quite a switch from the immigration protestors who are so orderly and well-behaved.
Why is it that so many protests seem to draw rioters, yet so many others are carried out calmly, and with dignity, even though the issues mean just as much to either group?

I wonder if it has something to do with a) how much (or little) the protesters feel the government will listen to them and b) how powerless they feel outside of the subject being protested. That is, protesters who feel that there is a chance for their protests to be heard and acted upon, and who don't feel powerless, are more likely to be peaceful.

For example, the law that French youth are protesting has already been passed, presumably over prior objections. The protesters feel they have not been listened to; put that on top of being economically challenged (youth unemployment is high in France), and they become more prone to violent protest. In contrast, the proposed US law making illegal immigrants felons has not yet been passed and is still being discussed. There is still a chance it will not pass, and those protesting against it have not yet lost jobs or money over the debate. Therefore, there is no emotional underpinning, or feeling of powerlessness, that might inspire violence.

Of course I don't think feeling powerless justifies the use of violence; I actually think it's stupid, because nonviolent civil disobedience is proven to work much more effectively.

[Space Tycoon]

I was just watching news video about the protests in France and I thought it was quite a switch from the immigration protestors who are so orderly and well-behaved.
Why is it that so many protests seem to draw rioters, yet so many others are carried out calmly, and with dignity, even though the issues mean just as much to either group?

Rioting and revolution are both time-honoured French traditions.

Just after adultery and being snooty to Americains. :smirks:

Mind you, the race riots last fall were far more savage, even by the standards of what we have seen before. In the case of France, there is planty of blame to go around. Muslims have by and large resisted assimilation and integration with the majority culture; and the French seem to have relegated them to second-class status--unofficially, of course.




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[Intelligent_Design]

Rioting and revolution are both time-honoured French traditions.

Just after adultery and being snooty to Americains. :smirks:

Mind you, the race riots last fall were far more savage, even by the standards of what we have seen before. In the case of France, there is planty of blame to go around. Muslims have by and large resisted assimilation and integration with the majority culture; and the French seem to have relegated them to second-class status--unofficially, of course.




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What? I thought they where rioting because a law was pass that anyone under 26 could be fired at anytime during their first 2 years in their employment. My those french are temperamental. Could you imagine a 18 year old working in a fast food place that knows he/she could not be fired...Wow talk about gridlock :)

[sickness]

Rioting and revolution are both time-honoured French traditions.

Just after adultery and being snooty to Americains. :smirks:

You forgot not changing their underwear or showering for a week at a time.

[Sgt. Awesome]

Speaking of rioting Vancouverites are REALLY good at it. We lose game 7 of the 96' cup, riots. Guns and Roses doesn't show up, riot. We just like to riot. It's not just the french. It's the French-Canadians! Or really the English-Canadians over here...

[Bark]

Canadians are a frustrated people.

[sickness]

You would be, too, if your most reliable form of sexual release was blowing a moose. :lol:

[omicron]

You would be, too, if your most reliable form of sexual release was blowing a moose. :lol:

No, no that's just frost in my mustache.

Omi
punchline to a Great joke

[Bark]

Canadians need more cowbell.

[jayce78]

Tom Cruise again pops out of nowhere and responds to a thread he has no buisness at:



''Those Candians are some messed up comies!'' ''They might need to take a good multi-vitiamin''. . . .

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/7710/fg3dx.png (http://imageshack.us)


''YYYyyyeeeeaaaaaaa!''

[kah]

I wonder if it has something to do with a) how much (or little) the protesters feel the government will listen to them and b) how powerless they feel outside of the subject being protested. That is, protesters who feel that there is a chance for their protests to be heard and acted upon, and who don't feel powerless, are more likely to be peaceful.

For example, the law that French youth are protesting has already been passed, presumably over prior objections. The protesters feel they have not been listened to; put that on top of being economically challenged (youth unemployment is high in France), and they become more prone to violent protest. In contrast, the proposed US law making illegal immigrants felons has not yet been passed and is still being discussed. There is still a chance it will not pass, and those protesting against it have not yet lost jobs or money over the debate. Therefore, there is no emotional underpinning, or feeling of powerlessness, that might inspire violence.

Of course I don't think feeling powerless justifies the use of violence; I actually think it's stupid, because nonviolent civil disobedience is proven to work much more effectively.

That's a really good summation. Thanks!

[omicron]

Of course I don't think feeling powerless justifies the use of violence; I actually think it's stupid, because nonviolent civil disobedience is proven to work much more effectively.

Sure, but sitting crosslegged getting your head beat in by is nowhere near as fun as throwing rocks at cops and turning over cars. :)

Omi

[Intelligent_Design]

I wonder if There would be any opposition to placing the Mexican flag on the corner of flags of states with high latino populations. ie Texas, California.....

[Bark]

As long as Univision keeps skirting the land of softcore pornography with the ladies on the screen, I don't give a **** what's on any damn flag. :eyebrow: :D

[jayce78]

Tom Cruise again stopps by and offers a little advice:

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/5463/erw1ru.png (http://imageshack.us)


'' If you think thats great , you outa see 'War of the Worlds' in spanish!''

[Space Tycoon]

As long as Univision keeps skirting the land of softcore pornography with the ladies on the screen, I don't give a **** what's on any damn flag. :eyebrow: :D

You should see what they show late Saturday night on Telelatino.

Think two words: Catalina Larranaga!

Muy Caliente.





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[Bark]

All I'm saying is this. I like looking at attractive women. :eyebrow:

However when it comes to this issue, no matter what side you're on, no one can disagree with the following statement. If you immigrate LEGALLY into the United States, you never have to worry.

[neglet]

I don't think anyone is saying illegals should automatically be granted citizenship just because they have a job. The McCain-Kennedy bill is proposing that illegals would have to pay a $2,000 fine, learn English, undergo a background check, wait six years to apply for a green card, and only then be eligible to apply for citizenship--but behind the people who followed the legal route from the start. That's hardly the same as "amnesty." Newsweek (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12115520/site/newsweek/) has a very good cover story on the subject this week. What hasn't been brought out in this discussion is how many families have a mix of status: children can be legal while one parent has a green card and the other is illegal--it certainly makes the issue more complicated if you're splitting families from their children.

Making felons of illegal immigrants, as well as those who give them medical or other assistance (like soup kitchens) is just ridiculous and contrary to the spirit of our immigrant nation. Newsweek's Fareed Zakaria (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12114153/site/newsweek/) has some interesting insights on that issue, and how "guest worker" programs like those in Europe contribute to unrest because immigrants can't invest in the political system, unlike America.

[Lavoruis]

Mexico was one brighest spots in the old world civilatzation
The Aztecs and Mayan's building great pyramids, sculptures out gold
cities before there were cites farming building dams etc.
Now look at most of them, ignorant peasents
how the mighty have fallin.

I say send all the ones sponging off our government back.
No more free rides

[Intelligent_Design]

Mexico was one brighest spots in the old world civilatzation
The Aztecs and Mayan's building great pyramids, sculptures out gold
cities before there were cites farming building dams etc.
Now look at most of them, ignorant peasents
how the mighty have fallin.





Blame Spain, Cortez,and the Catholic Church for that downfall. While they were great starwatchers and calender makers they still ripped hearts out and melted faces.

I say send all the ones sponging off our government back.
No more free rides Lets deport everyone that sponges off our government back. I'm down with that.:rolleyes:

[kah]

Blame Spain, Cortez,and the Catholic Church for that downfall.

... and smallpox

[Intelligent_Design]

San Fran would_ignore_legislation_if_it_were_to_pass (http://www.examiner.com/Top_News-a70996~Mayor__City_would_ignore_legislation_if_it_ were_to_pass.html)


HAHAHA!! I love that place!!!!

[MPG]

I don't think anyone is saying illegals should automatically be granted citizenship just because they have a job. The McCain-Kennedy bill is proposing that illegals would have to pay a $2,000 fine, learn English, undergo a background check, wait six years to apply for a green card, and only then be eligible to apply for citizenship--but behind the people who followed the legal route from the start. That's hardly the same as "amnesty."
What would happen during these six years? They'd be allowed to stay in the US and work side-by-side with people who went through the immigration process instead of bypassing it? That's hardly fair. This proposed legislation is still a major slap in the face for everyone who jumped through all the hoops of the american immigration system.

And wouldn't all those illegal immigrants fail the background check anyway? They broke a law after all. If you're a legal immigrant and you just miss a deadline for renewing your visa by a single day, it's entirely possible that you will never be allowed to apply for a visa again, but illegal immigrants should for some reason be allowed to apply for visa/green cards after ignoring immigration laws for years and years? If a law like this goes into effect, then there should be some reimbursement towards legal immigrants for all the time they spent in INS offices, the uncertainty, the phone calls, forms, questionnaires, huge amounts of money spent for immigration attorneys, times when they couldn't leave the US to visit their families for years, because they would have risked being "out of status" upon their return. The same goes for all the companies that made major investments into allowing their employees to stay in the US legally. If such reimbursements come out of the pockets of illegal immigrants and companies that employed illegal immigrants, then perhaps I can think about accepting some kind of "amnesty".
Making felons of illegal immigrants, as well as those who give them medical or other assistance (like soup kitchens) is just ridiculous and contrary to the spirit of our immigrant nation.
But allowing people to ignore laws is in accordance with the spirit of America? Sure, one can discuss about how much sense certain laws make. The American immigration system is rather convoluted, and it's highly frustrating to deal with the severely understaffed INS. Also, these laws may (or may not) violate the basis upon which America was built in the first place, but that does not change the fact that once laws are there, they are there to be followed until they are changed, no matter how much or how little sense they make. Otherwise, people will feel that it's ok to ignore laws when they don't seem to make sense in a particular situation.

[Intelligent_Design]

You obviously don't take in to effect that no immigrant group in the history of the US wields this much power is a short period of time. Thats why laws will be changed and other groups will be pissed.

[jayce78]

Tom Cruise again dares to enter Cinescapes forum:


''Heak , I ain't give'n my job to no Mexican!!!'' ''Yyyeaaa!''

http://img485.imageshack.us/img485/8192/gth9gp.png (http://imageshack.us)


''Now Excuse me , I have to go record 'We are the World' with Jamie Foxx''.

[DaForce]

Hmm...


I just keep wondering if this whole immigration flap is yet another smoke screen by the G.W. administration to draw attention away from stuff like the failure of the Iraq invasion, the deal to give India nukes, and the inability of the government to deal with any kind disaster (natural, or otherwise) under the direction of Der Dept. of Fatherl..oops, Homeland Security.


What's next, an outbreak of avian flu? Oooo....it's killed 80 people in the last 5 years....:rolleyes:

[jayce78]

Donald Rummy says:



''Aahhhh . . . could I borrow a pen from somebody''.


http://img77.imageshack.us/img77/2047/jhg9oa.png (http://imageshack.us)

[Bark]

Hmm...


I just keep wondering if this whole immigration flap is yet another smoke screen by the G.W. administration to draw attention away from stuff like the failure of the Iraq invasion, the deal to give India nukes, and the inability of the government to deal with any kind disaster (natural, or otherwise) under the direction of Der Dept. of Fatherl..oops, Homeland Security.


What's next, an outbreak of avian flu? Oooo....it's killed 80 people in the last 5 years....:rolleyes:

A smoke screen? That plan is diabolical! It's not like those issues you mention get attention 24/7 on the cable news channels. :smirks:

:D

I kid. I kid.