Wasn't king pin white

[ssj4daredevil]

not to be racial the guy who played him was excelent but i honestly thought that in marvel comics kingpin was white

[kvdp_blade]

Now im sure its not a racial thing but are you joking me. If you know anything about DD or Spidey you know that the kingpin was white in the comics. That is a well known FACT. I can't believe you put the name dardevil in your name and you didn't even know that kingpin was whitein the comics.

I don't mean to be so harsh but that was a pretty stupid question.

[MayorBigRig]

OUCH, dude... Harsh...

But yeah, he's right, if you seriously didn't know that, it's hard to take pity on you, what with the Daredevil thing in your name and all...

[mister_satan666]

i never read a comic and i knew that

lets all point and laugh at this guy

[imported_Thom]

Take it easy, guys. Believe it or not, movies like this might *gasp* attract new readers to the comics, so long as we don't embarrass them out of trying or make such jerks of ourselves that they don't wish to associate with us.

[Bigkid]

I've stated already that I thought that Michael Clarke Duncan was fine for me, and anyone who remember's my posts from last year can tell that I was one of the people who felt that it was going against the grain casting the big man in this role. But after seeing him in it, there was something that struck me about his performace: He's an extemely bad man........ but he does it with CLASS. That's the way I sort of envisioned him. You can't help but ..... in some STRANGE way...... like him alot! As opposed to Affleck, who I'm still ARDENTLY against, getting the role of DD. Anyone have thoughts on this? You know the drill.......... Please.......SHARE!

[D.K.HOOD]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bigkid:
I've stated already that I thought that Michael Clarke Duncan was fine for me, and anyone who remember's my posts from last year can tell that I was one of the people who felt that it was going against the grain casting the big man in this role. But after seeing him in it, there was something that struck me about his performace: He's an extemely bad man........ but he does it with CLASS. That's the way I sort of envisioned him. You can't help but ..... in some STRANGE way...... like him alot! As opposed to Affleck, who I'm still ARDENTLY against, getting the role of DD. Anyone have thoughts on this? You know the drill.......... Please.......SHARE!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well I was opposed to Duncan as the Kingpin but yeah he turned me around by his performance also. As for Affleck, I wasn't opposed to him but after seeing the film I think Guy Pearce or Edward Norton would have been better. He didn't give a bad performance but for some reason I found it hard to route for Affleck, and that's a problem when you can't route for the hero in a supehero film.

[Bigkid]

D.K.!
Yes, I totally agree about the rooting aspect for Affleck, which I couldn't do, really. I would've thought that either Pearce or Norton could have worked also, Norton's SO much a better actor than Affleck, and I know that guy would've probably given it 100%. Viggo Mortenson........... still my #1 choice for the role, though. But, what can you do, the film's out already, for God's sake! LOL!

[Soccerdude]

where are you going to find a big white guy with a menacing look and deep voice......
personally,i'm a big fan of mr.duncan...loved himin green mile,and i'm waiting for him to play a bouncer.
LOL!

[D.K.HOOD]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Soccerdude:
<B>where are you going to find a big white guy with a menacing look and deep voice......
personally,i'm a big fan of mr.duncan...loved himin green mile,and i'm waiting for him to play a bouncer.
LOL!</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Tony Siragusa is who I had in mind to play The Kingpin at first, but I've never heard a big fat white guy with a voice like Michael Clarke Duncan so I guess they had the casting right all along.

[Thrillhouse]

hey months ago when the clips and stills for daredevil came out and seeing michael clarke duncan as kingpin i thought perfect, he looks exactly like kingpin. loved the choice then love it now

[Bigkid]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Thrillhouse:
hey months ago when the clips and stills for daredevil came out and seeing michael clarke duncan as kingpin i thought perfect, he looks exactly like kingpin. loved the choice then love it now<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Mr. Thrill!
I think many people are going to be thinking what if for a long time to come on this casting, but in the long run, it was a good choice. I still can see what people were saying about Robbie Coltrane being him originally, but I didn't lose sleep over the choice of MCD. So, yes, it was a good decision.

[supaspic]

Hey Duncan played a good Kingpin,but i think he should have gotten more time in the movie. Come on guys, Kingpin is one maybe even DD biggest enemy, and you give him about 20 minutes in the movie then, a 5 minute fight scene. Last time i checked on it the 'pin was able to kick the crap out of DD, i'm just tring to say it should've been a longer fight. Hell!! it should have been a longer movie!!

[Bigkid]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by supaspic:
Hey Duncan played a good Kingpin,but i think he should have gotten more time in the movie. Come on guys, Kingpin is one maybe even DD biggest enemy, and you give him about 20 minutes in the movie then, a 5 minute fight scene. Last time i checked on it the 'pin was able to kick the crap out of DD, i'm just tring to say it should've been a longer fight. Hell!! it should have been a longer movie!!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, the reason (I think, anyway), that they made the film length at a little under an hour and a half, is so that people could just get a TASTE of this character; unless you were a DIEHARD DAREDEVIL fan, not many people were going to want to sit on their butts for anything longer if it wasn't going to interest them. NOW, with it being a BONIFIDE hit, don't be surprised if the next DD film won't top the 2 hour mark (or the ELECTRA spin off, for that matter). And the argument about not enough screen time for Kingpin? Well, it's not his film, it's called DAREDEVIL. They more than likely might wind up bringing him back for the sequel, anyway..... maybe he'll get paroled early or something.

[D.K.HOOD]

Have to disagree with you on this BigKid. I also felt the movie was way too short and the Kingpin could have had more screen time. I can't even remember if he shared any dialogue with Elektra or not. That would have been good. And I thought his encounter with Matt Murdock was a little to brief also.

[Bigkid]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by D.K.HOOD:
Have to disagree with you on this BigKid. I also felt the movie was way too short and the Kingpin could have had more screen time. I can't even remember if he shared any dialogue with Elektra or not. That would have been good. And I thought his encounter with Matt Murdock was a little to brief also.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, I can understand the feeling for MORE of Kingpin, but, like I said (which is merely a somewhat explanation of WHY he was not in the film as much), I think the idea was to get audiences who AREN'T as well versed in the lore of DAREDEVIL just a taste of Kingpin. Maybe the scenes that they are thinking of putting Electra and him together in were on the cutting room floor. Or maybe they'll bring Michael Clarke Duncan back for the Electra spin off, and they'll have PLENTY of time together?

[ArkRaider]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bigkid:
I've stated already that I thought that Michael Clarke Duncan was fine for me, and anyone who remember's my posts from last year can tell that I was one of the people who felt that it was going against the grain casting the big man in this role. But after seeing him in it, there was something that struck me about his performace: He's an extemely bad man........ but he does it with CLASS. That's the way I sort of envisioned him. You can't help but ..... in some STRANGE way...... like him alot! As opposed to Affleck, who I'm still ARDENTLY against, getting the role of DD. Anyone have thoughts on this? You know the drill.......... Please.......SHARE!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh come on. Affleck was good as Daredevil. I don't get why people are so down on this guy. He's actually a pretty good actor (see Chasing Amy especially) and chicks like him. You want that in these kind of movies to be made. Guy Pearce as Daredevil would have lacked Affleck's charm. The other guy Viggo is too old and also kind of wooden if you ask me. Affleck played the role quite well if ya axe me. Basically without the publicity from a big name actor like Affleck DD might not have been inching towards $100 mil. which would mean no sequel or Electra spinoff. Gotta be grateful that he's nailing J-Lo and getting all that publicity.

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[Bigkid]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ArkRaider:
<B> Oh come on. Affleck was good as Daredevil. I don't get why people are so down on this guy. He's actually a pretty good actor (see Chasing Amy especially) and chicks like him. You want that in these kind of movies to be made. Guy Pearce as Daredevil would have lacked Affleck's charm. The other guy Viggo is too old and also kind of wooden if you ask me. Affleck played the role quite well if ya axe me. Basically without the publicity from a big name actor like Affleck DD might not have been inching towards $100 mil. which would mean no sequel or Electra spinoff. Gotta be grateful that he's nailing J-Lo and getting all that publicity.

</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Mr. Raider!
And that's fine, if you like him or think he was good in the role. I happen to agree with you on the point that it was a good idea to cast him for the purpose of getting people INTO the theater in the first place. He's a star power guy, so, yeah, good move on their part to get him in. Plus, the fact that he and Jennifer Lopez (sorry, I REFUSE to call her J-LO), are getting so much ink, it only helps the film. But, as far as being a good actor goes, I (and this is only a PERSONAL opinion). Don't get him. But, it's really a moot point though, right? He's DAREDEVIL, and that's it!

[D.K.HOOD]

Has anyone ever seen the movie "Bounce"? That was the only Ben Affleck movie I watched and actually forgot it was him in the role. I think that was his best performance so far.

[Bigkid]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by D.K.HOOD:
Has anyone ever seen the movie "Bounce"? That was the only Ben Affleck movie I watched and actually forgot it was him in the role. I think that was his best performance so far.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually, I've never seen that, but the film that I thought was the best I've ever seen him perform in was the one in which he played an Angel, you know, that Kevin Smith film...... uuuuhggg, GOD, why can't I remember the NAME now? Anyway, I'm sure that you all know to the one I'm referring to..... anyway, he's got a monologue in that one in which he does a bang up job in which he goes on a rant about how God lost love for him and his fellow Angel's, and all that...... I actually thought he was terrific in that one. But on the whole..... ?
I just don't get him.

[captain cocanut]

This movie kicked ass

[norrinraad]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bigkid:
<B>the film that I thought was the best I've ever seen him perform in was the one in which he played an Angel, you know, that Kevin Smith film......But on the whole..... ?
I just don't get him.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The film is Dogma, the second movie he and Matt Damon starred in together (as far as I know). I think he is best opposite Damon, as the two of them have such a natural chemistry due to their years of real life friendship. Of course, I thought he was also good in Daredevil so he may be coming into his own as an actor.

[ArkRaider]

I understand what you mean. Ben Affleck seems to receive a lot of criticism though and I can't really understand why. I mean he's fairly articulate, the ladies like him (and that helps for the date movie scenario), and he's actually a pretty natural actor. In that he just let's things fly and doesn't overact as most actors do. Shakespeare in Love is a good example. He didn't try to over-pronounce the British accented speeches and it came off as natural. Plus, you gotta admit it was believeable that Jen Garner would fall for the guy. It's that charm factor. Oh and I know it's just a personal opinion thing. Your reasons sound more valid than most though. You don't like his brand of acting which I can respect as opposed to people who just say they don't like him. Geez. And for the record I liked Daredevil a lot more than Spiderman which surprised me. I mean I expected to like it a little, but the critics confused me with their mixed messages. Being a DD fan since I was a kid made it an easy sell for me. Not to digress...

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bigkid:
<B> Mr. Raider!
And that's fine, if you like him or think he was good in the role. I happen to agree with you on the point that it was a good idea to cast him for the purpose of getting people INTO the theater in the first place. He's a star power guy, so, yeah, good move on their part to get him in. Plus, the fact that he and Jennifer Lopez (sorry, I REFUSE to call her J-LO), are getting so much ink, it only helps the film. But, as far as being a good actor goes, I (and this is only a PERSONAL opinion). Don't get him. But, it's really a moot point though, right? He's DAREDEVIL, and that's it! </B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>



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[ArkRaider]

Yeah he was good in Bounce as well. Chasing Amy and Dogma were also good turns for him. Armaggedon I didn't like and so it wouldn't have mattered to me if they had put in Al Pacino. The idea was stupid and the movie bored me to tears. Also, I liked Goodwill Hunting a lot and though both guys did what they had to make it in the business. Props to them for writing a great flick and doing some nice bit of acting.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by D.K.HOOD:
Has anyone ever seen the movie "Bounce"? That was the only Ben Affleck movie I watched and actually forgot it was him in the role. I think that was his best performance so far.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>



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[Bigkid]

AAAHHHHHHH!!! DOGMA! THAT'S IT!!
Yes, I thought Affleck WAS terrific in that, but I think that had more to do with the writing than anything else, it was a very well written role for him. I guess he was fine in DAREDEVIL, but, well, you all know who MY choice was...... so, enough of THAT already! LOL!

[Ernie_Turbo]

i thought affleck was perfect for the role of DD. the ladies like him, and he has that charm factor that makes him believable as matt murdock the lawyer. besides, when he's got the mask on, he's daredevil, not ben affleck.

Just like in spiderman, i think tobey pulls off peter parker better than spiderman. And when the mask is on, who cares?

also, about ben being a good actor, the movies "mallrats" and "glory daze" both come to mind. you really believe that he is those characters.

i thought i would hate ben as daredevil but i was pleasently surprised.

btw i am new to this board, for any of you who dont recognize me..

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[zombie_new_wave]

Not that it's racial, but isn't color the first thing I judge? Not that I'm sexist but shouldn't women be in the kitchen? Not that I'm an adulterer, but can't I have a wife and a girlfriend?

Sorry, I don't usually throw in the moral fiber, but I cannot stand comments that try to mask prejudice. Not that I'm prejudice, but if Storm is African, shouldn't she have black hair and carry a spear. GRRRR. Who cares. MCD is big, bald and played the role cold as ice. Out of that entire movie, he's the only one I would have cast! Oh, and Wesely. That was one of the greatest casting jobs every, right down to the glasses.

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[Ernie_Turbo]

you guys are being too judgemental to ssj4, i think he was being sarcastic about kingpin and honestly, i dont think that he is rascist.
-this has been ernie turbo
http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/hulkout.gif

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[The Xenos]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ernie_Turbo:
"mallrats" <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

um.. Despite how great you or I may think Mallrats is, most people don't consider it that much of a cinematic achivement. So I dunno if you would be using it as an arguing chip. Though I think Affleck was good in it and Jason Lee just shone. Oh and who can forget Joey Lauren Adams' parts. Plus I think Mallrats is one of the greatest love stories of all time. (..and thus Xenos flushes any movie or movie critic career down the drain.)

-Xenos

[Bigkid]

In one of the other threads that was put up by Welshcat, he had people respond to who they'd have cast in a C2F film from different eras. And someone had a TERRIFIC choice for The Kingpin: The wrestler King Kong Bundy. I can't remember who it was that said it, but MAN! That was a great choice. From what this person also said, was that King Kong Bundy is still alive and he's only, like, 50 years old (which I STILL find hard to believe). Do any of you guy's remember this wrestler, and what do you all think? Please........SHARE!

[D.K.HOOD]

I thought I remembered him, but now I realize that it was George "The Animal" Steel.

[Kwick22a]

I remember him, not from wrestling though. He was a guest star on a couple of episodes of Married With Children. In one he played a relative of Peggy's and in another he played himself and Bud was forced to wrestle him while wearing a bee costume.
He does look a lot like the Kingpin, but I'm not convinced he has the right voice for the part.

[Ernie_Turbo]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by The Xenos:
<B> um.. Despite how great you or I may think Mallrats is, most people don't consider it that much of a cinematic achivement. So I dunno if you would be using it as an arguing chip. Though I think Affleck was good in it

-Xenos</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

i agree, mallrats isnt an awesome cinematic achevement. i just said that he acted very well in it. his acting ability stood out in basically an indie film. there fore it proves my point about afflecks acting ability.

[Bigkid]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Kwick22a:
<B>I remember him, not from wrestling though. He was a guest star on a couple of episodes of Married With Children. In one he played a relative of Peggy's and in another he played himself and Bud was forced to wrestle him while wearing a bee costume.
He does look a lot like the Kingpin, but I'm not convinced he has the right voice for the part.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah, didn't he have like a high, raspy sort of a voice? But THAT even might've worked! A voice like that in a HUGE man's body, it might've been fun to watch and listen! HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Or......maybe not, I don't know............

[Warlock1176]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by D.K.HOOD:
Has anyone ever seen the movie "Bounce"? That was the only Ben Affleck movie I watched and actually forgot it was him in the role. I think that was his best performance so far.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Very well done movie. I agree that you could actually see the character instead of the actor on that one.

Back on topic...I thought Michael Clarke Duncan was a great choice, but was annoyed by the race card only at first...until I figured out that with the Kingpin it really didn't matter. As a character, he could be written either way. And I couldn't really think of a white guy, that size, who could give the kind of performance that Duncan could.