Writing, Directing, etc.

[imported_Thom]

The director of 'Simon Birch' doing Daredevil? Can it work? I hope so. Put your two cents in about the director, the storyline, or any other aspect of the film here.

BTW, I'd like to repost the link to a great script review that Essex found: http://www.tnmc.org/dp/0208021.shtml

[Flinch]

It needs a Hong-Kong director

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[imported_Thom]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Flinch:
<B>It needs a Hong-Kong director

</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I can see it now... "Crouching Kingpin, Hidden Devil"

No. I must wholly disagree with the Hong Kong approach to Daredevil. It'd be insulting to the nature of the comic.

[Nikhil]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Thom:
<B> I can see it now... "Crouching Kingpin, Hidden Devil"
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You do realise the double entendre virus on that could flare beyond any reasonable proportion don't you? Where's Charming Charmaine when you need her, with all this talk of hidden 'devil's when kingpins 'crouch'? Crouching Kingpin is a scary thought.....I'm getting this weird image of the Kingpin as a TV repair guy....

Back on topic, I agree totally wrong direction for the film......I always pictured, more gritty, almost like those cop shows like NYPD Blue and Homicide:LOTS with a tinge of film noir...The Hong Kong Style would be awesome if they made a Heroes for Hire movie...of course the thought of Chris Tucker playin Luke Cage is enough to shut me up for now!

[This message has been edited by Nikhil (edited 02-15-2002).]

[Flinch]

Thom, how would that be insulting the nature of the comic? Have you read Frank Miller`s Daredevil, with all those ninjas and everything?

I`m not talking about Jacky Chan, but more along the line of Woo in the style of Hardboiled and The Killer (not like MI2). I say come-up with a script inspired by crime-noir films and pulp stories, but let a Honk-Kong director film it. Perfect assemble of what Miller did.

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[imported_Thom]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Flinch:
<B>Thom, how would that be insulting the nature of the comic? Have you read Frank Miller`s Daredevil, with all those ninjas and everything?

I`m not talking about Jacky Chan, but more along the line of Woo in the style of Hardboiled and The Killer (not like MI2). I say come-up with a script inspired by crime-noir films and pulp stories, but let a Honk-Kong director film it. Perfect assemble of what Miller did.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I didn't think you meant something Jacky Chan-ish, but hearing you say Woo in particular makes it a little better. Unfortunately, I haven't seen Hardboiled or The Killer... Just Broken Arrow, Face Off, and MI2 as far as I know, so I doubt I'm still quite seeing what you have in mind.

Regardless, IMO anyhow, noir-style direction would be every bit as integral to the Daredevil movie as a script with the same feel would be. The presence of the ninja-elements in the source material would make me extremely weary of Hong Kong directing, as I'm afraid it'd be too easy for the martial arts and other action to become predominant over the more significant, psychological aspects of the characters in Daredevil.

On the other hand, I think material like Daredevil could easily become too noir-ish. DD might most often be compared to Batman, but I think the character's got just enough touch of a Spidey-feel to require a movie to not take itself quite so seriously as most typical crime-dramas/mysteries do.

(Argh... Eloquence is not the word of the day regarding my post. Hope it's less confusing than it reads to me :P)

[Nikhil]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Thom:
The presence of the ninja-elements in the source material would make me extremely weary of Hong Kong directing, as I'm afraid it'd be too easy for the martial arts and other action to become predominant over the more significant, psychological aspects of the characters in Daredevil. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Absolutely...I think one ninja type in Elektra is enough...I hate the direction the current Elektra comics is taking ( following a not too bad start ) with all the ninjas, I know they might have helped with Nuff Said, but a lot is lost when one goes for all out action......

On the other hand, I think material like Daredevil could easily become too noir-ish. DD might most often be compared to Batman, but I think the character's got just enough touch of a Spidey-feel to require a movie to not take itself quite so seriously as most typical crime-dramas/mysteries do.

True again, especially concerning the Elektra-Matt Murdock relationship, which is pivotal, it's one of the most tragic love stories, and you can't have that sort of emotion in a pure noir film...so there should be an element of sentimentality to it...of course the Battlin' Jack Murdock angle would require that too, coz hero worship is a no-no for most noir films...I think Matt Murdock's relationship with his father should be as close and moving, as Peter Parker's with Uncle Ben and Aunt May..

(Argh... Eloquence is not the word of the day regarding my post. Hope it's less confusing than it reads to me :P)
No problem there as far as I can read, but then I don't put together the most well-thought out sentences either http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/smile.gif

[DrZaius]

I just thought I would throw this out here. What about the Hughes Brothers? They seem to be comic fans. I have only seen From Hell and it was really good. They seem to ahve a knack for crime stories, and they have a beutiful style as evidenced by From Hell.
What do you guys think?
Thanks,
Dr.Z

[norrinraad]

The Hughes Bros would have been an interesting choice, but I still maintain that the director of the original Crow movie, Alex Proyas, would have done an excellent job.

[Essex]

I must admit that I despised every minute of the Crow, but that was because of the terrible script and horrible b-movie acting by Brandon Lee...not the directing. Proyas' vision was very beautiful but the other factors were just too much of a distraction for me to enjoy the film.

However, in Proyas' follow-up film Dark City, he was grouped with a much better script and much more talented actors, and it has become one of my absolute favourite movies.

Proyas' style would be visually perfect for Daredevil. However, I'm not really sure he could be capable of developing so many characters clearly...

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[Flinch]

I always thought Alex Proyas would be a fantastic choice for Batman. Proyas as no pears when using dark color palette. For a DD film...ummm....i`m not sure. When i meant "crime-noir" it`s more along the line of type of story, not necesserly that style of "noir/black" visuals. I don`t think it`s appropriate for Daredevil, wich is a concept more focused on the story, compared to Batman whom mood and setting is everything; like Gotham being a more gothic Newyork, a city that you may see in a nightmare.

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[norrinraad]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Flinch:
<B>I always thought Alex Proyas would be a fantastic choice for Batman. Proyas as no pears when using dark color palette. For a DD film...ummm....i`m not sure. When i meant "crime-noir" it`s more along the line of type of story, not necesserly that style of "noir/black" visuals. I don`t think it`s appropriate for Daredevil, wich is a concept more focused on the story, compared to Batman whom mood and setting is everything; like Gotham being a more gothic Newyork, a city that you may see in a nightmare.

</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Essex:
<B>I must admit that I despised every minute of the Crow, but that was because of the terrible script and horrible b-movie acting by Brandon Lee...not the directing. Proyas' vision was very beautiful but the other factors were just too much of a distraction for me to enjoy the film.
However, in Proyas' follow-up film Dark City, he was grouped with a much better script and much more talented actors, and it has become one of my absolute favourite movies.

Proyas' style would be visually perfect for Daredevil. However, I'm not really sure he could be capable of developing so many characters clearly...

</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Good points Essex and Flinch, but please keep in mind that DD and The Crow are thematically similar characters. While it is clear that Daredevil was originally developed as a mass appeal character, subsequent storylines have explored his inner motivations and he lends very well to a noirish atmosphere. The recent Yellow series established that the murder of Matt's father was his main motivator in terms of the direction his life subsequently took. Make no mistake about it, DD IS a vigilante. What seperates him from James O'Barr's creation is that DD panders to the exact letter of the law, whereas Eric is already dead and follows no laws but his own. Killing is obviously not a moral dilemma for The Crow. The Elektra and Karen Page trajedies only reinforced the grim determination that has become DD's escence since the Miller run. I personally applauded the shift in focus concerning DD in the 80s; as the first Batman movie conveyed so well, a man motivated to wear a garish costume and fight crime while the rest of us spend our evenings watching TV and pursuing other means of recreation must be tortured in some way and relatively neurotic.

The origin of The Crow is, of course, similar to DD's with one minor exception; Eric is no longer alive. Sure, revenge motivated The Crow while justice motivated Matt, but the catalyst (the brutal murder of a loved one) was thematically similar. I guess we will never know what may have become of the DD movie in Proyas' hands. I did not have any problem with the scrip or acting in the original Crow movie. It did seem to wander aimlessly at times and it seemed longer than it actually was. Tighter editing could have neatly solved these minor problems, in my opinion.

[This message has been edited by norrinraad (edited 02-17-2002).]

[imported_Thom]

Ya know, I'm beginning to think we're placing too much emphasis on the noirish feel of Daredevil. And the more I think of that, the more 'Simon Birch' guy's approach seems to appeal to me, or at least what I'm guessing it'll be by the script reviews. He's not going to ignore the noir aspects, but I think he's gonna avoid overkill. Perhaps it even helps to explain casting Affleck over someone like Guy Pearce.

[Burton X. Lynch]

What about David Fincher?

[Flinch]

There`s always a good reason to put Affleck in there, right Thom?

You know Thomy, you don`t seem to like the "crime-noir" aspect of Daredevil nor the martial-art element. What do you like about the character anyway? Is it the red spandex?

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[DRSTRANGE2099]

This movie will be Marvel's Batman and Robin.

[bellystar]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DRSTRANGE2099:
<B>
This movie will be Marvel's Batman and Robin.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Curses...better not be!


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[imported_Thom]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Flinch:
You know Thomy, you don`t seem to like the "crime-noir" aspect of Daredevil nor the martial-art element. What do you like about the character anyway? Is it the red spandex?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, I like noir aspects.. Wait, red spandex? Huh? No, wait, no... Must concentrate.

Nah, I don't like Affleck that much. http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/tongue.gif It's just that he's among my favorite two or three actors, and I can definitely be defensive about any person or thing I choose as favorite. (Except Julia Roberts, used to be crazy about her, but she annoys the hell out of me now.)

Anyhow, as I was saying before I continued the red spandex joke to my own expense, I like the noir aspects just fine. It's inherent in a character like DD or Batman. In my last little comment against it, I was just stating that I was afraid it could be overdone. The movie should not and will not be devoid of its noir elements, just as it shouldn't and won't be missing a few ninjas. It just needs to find a balance.

Oh, and in all seriousness, it drives me nuts when a 'y' or an extraneous 'm' is appended to my name. Tommy's fine, but no "Thommy" or "Thomy" variations, por favor. I know, I'm anal.

[This message has been edited by Thom (edited 03-14-2002).]

[Oldsoul3300]

--I just read that Avi Arad says says that DD's costume will mix qualities of the original yellow and black costume and the classic red costume.

[knack]

Just read the little interview with DD director on C2F news and this film has been quietly edging towards a must-see film for me. I like that it is going to be as real world as possible and that Kingpin won't be a gangsta. Affleck is an OK actor, and he'll up the profile of the film. The director could have chosen better, but it's not an hysterically bad choice as some have stated, but that's a matter of taste.

[MALCOLMXERXES]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Thom:
<B> I can see it now... "Crouching Kingpin, Hidden Devil"

No. I must wholly disagree with the Hong Kong approach to Daredevil. It'd be insulting to the nature of the comic.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

THOM,

How so, please?


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