Question about Blade II

[WonderWomanGoddess]

Okay I just saw the movie (yes I'm slow that way) and I have a question.

You know how the reavers jaws opened up? How is it possible that Nomak could speak, without a bottom jaw and without a 'human' tongue? Even people with slight deformaties of the tongue can't form words properly. Was this explained in some way that I missed?



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[imported_Robbo]

It was not explained. I usually subscribe to the theory of movie "plot holes" that, if there is an explanation, that's what it is.

Here's my theory. When the Reaper jaws and tounges are used, they sort of unfold, right? So, when they fold up, they are close enough to the correct form to allow for speaking.

What I want to know is:

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if Blade knew that the bomb he stuck on Reinhardt's head was a dud and secretly switched it with a non-dud, why didn't he use it to blow up the much-more-formidible Reinhardt instead of wasting it on Scud (who he could kill with his left pinky).

[This message has been edited by Robbo (edited 09-15-2002).]

[Kwick22a]

I always figured they had both a human tongue and that big sucker tongue, since they show one of the Reapers licking Priest's head with a normal tongue before he actually gets down to the eating.
Maybe when they feed and the jaw opens up the normal tongue retracts into the throat while the Reaper tongue extends.

Just my thoughts.



[This message has been edited by Kwick22a (edited 09-15-2002).]

[welty69]

Does any one know what the strange claw like things on the back of Blade's hands were?? What did they inject? I must have missed it... Did anyone also know if you get any apecial powers when you become a familar?? Blade said he knew since he was turned... and when the kid blew up did he turn ti dust? OR WHAT?

Sorry I asked so many questions

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[Kwick22a]

The claws were a set of automatic syringes loaded with an anti coagulant fluid. I think it was probably the same fluid he used in the first movie to beat Frost, which makes me wonder why Scud felt the need to explain what it was to Blade when he should already know.
Familiars don't actually have any powers they're just the human servants of vampires. But if they do well and are loyal then their master might turn them. I'd be willing to bet that most of them end up being lunch instead.
When Blade said he knew when Scud had been turned I think he was saying he had known all along that Scud was working for the other side.
And as for Scud being blown to dust, I think that was just the force of the explosion. Who knows what kind of explosives or how much of it he used, either way at that range I doubt there would be much left of the person holding the bomb, human or vampire.

I'm suddenly thinking I was paying to much attention during that movie.

[WonderWomanGoddess]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Robbo:
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if Blade knew that the bomb he stuck on Reinhardt's head was a dud and secretly switched it with a non-dud, why didn't he use it to blow up the much-more-formidible Reinhardt instead of wasting it on Scud (who he could kill with his left pinky).

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yeah that was silly from a logical view point. they did it so Blade could have the cool 'rise out of the pool of blood' scene with rienhardt later.

Another bad decision? If reinhardt knew his master wanted Blade for is blood, why did he send him back to the bomb with the broken lever in the sewers? I think it's safe to say if he had been infected with the reaver virus, he wouldn't have been any use to them and thus reinhardt would have been in trouble with the big cheese.

One more thing bothered me...is being a black belt suddenly a prerequisite for being a vampire?? I really hate this trend in action movies lately where EVERYBODY uses martial arts. I like seeiing unique fighting styles in fight scenes. It gets repetative when every single person in the movie uses the same tecniques and blocking methods as Blade does. Except for the chick in the first fight scene she had with blade. She had some unique moves.



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[imported_Robbo]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WonderWomanGoddess:
One more thing bothered me...is being a black belt suddenly a prerequisite for being a vampire?? I really hate this trend in action movies lately where EVERYBODY uses martial arts. I like seeiing unique fighting styles in fight scenes. It gets repetative when every single person in the movie uses the same tecniques and blocking methods as Blade does. Except for the chick in the first fight scene she had with blade. She had some unique moves. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

See...now I have to disagree with you there. Blade II has the most varied fight scenes of any action movie I've seen. There was a concious effort to employ different fighting styles in each combat scene.

The sword play with the ninja-vamps is very Asian, martial arts.

Blade busting the Milking house (where they had Whistler) shows quite a bit of straight boxing.

Blade's first confrontation with Nomak is very Hong Kong style action, but not the elegant swordplay seen with the Ninjas.

Blade's final showdown with Nomak, to me, is WWF (or WWE, I guess) meets Marvel superheroes.

Also, remember that the Bloodpack are all highly trained fighters.

Anyhow, I WANT cool fight scenes in my Blade movie.



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[WonderWomanGoddess]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Robbo:
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The sword play with the ninja-vamps is very Asian, martial arts.

Blade busting the Milking house (where they had Whistler) shows quite a bit of straight boxing.

Blade's first confrontation with Nomak is very Hong Kong style action, but not the elegant swordplay seen with the Ninjas.

Blade's final showdown with Nomak, to me, is WWF (or WWE, I guess) meets Marvel superheroes.

Also, remember that the Bloodpack are all highly trained fighters.

Anyhow, I WANT cool fight scenes in my Blade movie.

[This message has been edited by Robbo (edited 09-16-2002).]</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hmm, maybe I should watch it agian. I noticed the chick used some standard fencing and Kendo sword techniques which contrasted nicely with his. And I did notice Nomak giving the 'people's elbow' and some other WWf style moves at the end.

But it was the first scene with Nomak and Blade fighting that threw me off. Idealy in a movie, I like to see the main character use a specific style or at least stay in the same general arena. Blade's been training a long time so it makes sense his style would be very evolved and unique to him, which is cool. But I like to see the other person or persons in the fight using totally different styles and moves, which is sadly rare. I want to see somebody using a Wing Chun block against a Muy Thai attack. Or see a grappler fight a kickboxer. Or sai vs. swords. And if the main character is established in early fight scenes as a grappler, I want him to stay a grappler, not all the sudden bust out the high kicks for the grand finale.

But really this a more of beef with all action movies, not Blade II per say. Snipes did very well in his fight scenes and there were at least two very impressive ones, so that makes it worth my money.

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[gravvyman]

ok, now i have never used the massage boards before so bare with me.
now, about the whole bomb pack thing, vampires must be stupid or somthing, cause if you look closly enough when riegnheart and when blade were trying to activat it, you can see that the handle was already pushed in as far as it could go.

[Golden Falcon]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Kwick22a:
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When Blade said he knew when Scud had been turned I think he was saying he had known all along that Scud was working for the other side.

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Ok I watched this a couple of times in the past week and.

When Blade reminds Whistler that he worked on a grenade unsuccessfully for years and to "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer" - This was in direct reference to his suspicion about Scud.

The thing I'm still unclear on is exactly what is Whistlers status, is he a Vamp or Not?
1) He pretty convincingly beat up Rienhardt 2) He took a severe beating from Chupa.
3) As Scud pointed out he went cold turkey for one night.

4) but he walks out into the sunlight at the end? I think this should be cleared up in B3.

[D.K.HOOD]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Golden Falcon:
<B> The thing I'm still unclear on is exactly what is Whistlers status, is he a Vamp or Not?
1) He pretty convincingly beat up Rienhardt 2) He took a severe beating from Chupa.
3) As Scud pointed out he went cold turkey for one night.

4) but he walks out into the sunlight at the end? I think this should be cleared up in B3.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I thought it was cleared up in the the morning after Blade brought Whistler back to his lair. But I haven't seen it since it was in the theaters so I can't say for sure.

[JordanGLC]

OK, I just watched Blade II for the first time yesterday. The final fight scene is the best I've seen in a comic film (heck, any film). Just had to say that.

[brokenstatue2001]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Golden Falcon:
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The thing I'm still unclear on is exactly what is Whistlers status, is he a Vamp or Not?
1) He pretty convincingly beat up Rienhardt 2) He took a severe beating from Chupa.
3) As Scud pointed out he went cold turkey for one night.

4) but he walks out into the sunlight at the end? I think this should be cleared up in B3.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That was something that Gullermo del Toro (director) was playing around with when he started filming, but he later lost interest in the subplot halfway through filming.
And i believe that Chupa wasn't trying to kill him right off, he probably wanted Whistler to suffer badly for abandoning his post, which Chupa and Reinhardt thought allowed the Reavers into the club and turning Priest into one of them.

I got a question for Golden Falcon, though.
When did Whistler beat up Reinhardt?