PUNISHER MOVIE NEWS!(not lookin good)

[themanwithoutfear]

okay today some news on the new punisher film was announced...first the good news...
john travolta will be playing the lead bad guy. i know most might think travolta=box office poison but he does a better job playin the bad guy then a hero. that and the film is r rated so he dont have to hold back.
now the bad news.it seems that the punisher will be fighting crime in the mean streets of....TAMPA,FLORIDA????????????

WHAT?????????! yup apperently tampa was written into the script and will feature loctaions in tampa. this idea dosent sound to good.i mean avi arad said that he wouldnt be in new york but somewhere close that you would picture punisher being. i woulda thought maybe chicago or some other dirty city NOT florida!

well fans there you have it....

[D.K.HOOD]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by themanwithoutfear:
i know most might think travolta=box office poison .<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Who would think that? The guy is a movie star and hasn't stopped working since Pulp Fiction. I think this is great news that he's playing a bad guy, but if this character isn't from the comic books then that is a let down for me. As for the location, I think its good to get out New York for a change. And I remember Frank traveling all over the world in the Punisher comics. Especially in his days of cracking down on drug traffic. And isn't there a fat crimeboss in Marvel Comics that lives in Florida? I remember Spider-Man fighting him in an annual. He was like the poor man's Kingpin. Maybe they can throw him into this film.

[TheHeretic]

I think the point is that THE CITY IS THE PUNISHER. Sure he can go on road trips from time to time, but really, the guy is known for being in the dirty crime filled streets. You might as well just take the skull off of his shirt (oh wait they already did that).
Its weird, when they announced the movie I intially thought it would be an ultra violent anti-Godfather type movie and would be played out as more of a mob film than a superhero movie. Also, I habe been more than underwhelmed by Travolta over the past few years. As each newsbit comes in my hopes are falling more and more.

[Zephonim]

Not looking so good????????????

Did you ever STOP and THINK that Tampa might be the place where Frank is living and where this family is killed for the movie??????????????

I have no problem with John Travolta being the bad guy at all.

And about him not being a villain of the Punisher.

As I see it the Punisher has killed SOOOOOO MANY one timed bad guys that he is just going to be one of them.

[Dr. Fahrenheit]

I would hope that Avi Arad knows something we don't, but then again, I still feel that Daredevil was the first Marvel mis-step since the renaissance began with Blade.

Thomas Jane is awesome casting, but the promo stuff we saw is very scary, although we now hear that all that was just slapped together just to put something out there.

However, Jonathon Hensleigh as director/screenwriter ? Eh, I don't know about that one, this is the same Hensleigh that killed Hulk back in the mid-1990's, and is responsible for so much action trash as The Saint, Armageddon, and Die Hard With a Vengeance as well as The Young Indiana Jones stuff.

That is something to be worried about in addition to the shit promo we saw. The John Travolta casting can go either way, and I am not so sure I like the fact that he is going to be an ex-FBI person.

Chances are this film will fall somewhere between Blade and Daredevil.

I must say, I do like the poster, but who cares ?

Thanks,
Doc F

[Megatron]

I agree with the Doc, the whole Tampa deal does not float my boat though, I am getting visions of Vice City for some reason now that I hear Florida is the place.

They should leave Castle in New York. I must say that Travolta can be very underwhelming, and very much a big movie star that does crap projects that only idiots like, sort of like a guy who loves anything Chris Rock or Adam Sandler is in, or that loves every single FBI thriller Tommy Lee Jones does or loves Hannibal or something like How High.

I hope that The Punisher doesn't join the ranks of those films, as Daredevil somewhat looks like it did. I don't like anything I have seen outside of the advance poster for the The Punisher.

I don't like the fact that Castle is an ex-FBI dude, they should at least mention that he was also a soldier or something.

I hope this movie becomes more than a cheap looking mid 90's action flick that Van Damme easily could have stepped into.

Pray everyone.




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"Decepticons ! Attaaack !"
-Megatron

[GRIM]

tampa florida........................................... ..............................soooooo angrey. sooooooo angrey!

killlllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll!

why do they wanna turn frank castle into don johnson? why? is he going to live on a house boat waer no socks and keep a pet alligater?

(yes i know its MIAMA vice, but hey, sunny florida is sunny florida.)

who the hell writes this crap? do they ever stop and think, "maybe we could get someone with a little experience on the book to put together a screen play?" just about any punisher scrib could slap together a better script im sure! do they think they can just wash us over by giving us the punisher's skull back or something? what the hell man?

my perdiction, this movie is going to blow. john travolta is a good actor, and i feel sorry for him that he is going to be involed with this film. please....anybody, prove me wrong, i just want to believe in this movie!

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DICK

[Bigkid]

I believe that what's going on, is that the filmmaker's are merely trying to put their own indelible stamp on this project, and creating a character from scratch is one way of doing this. I believe they maybe doing this so that they can truly also try to distance themselves from the Dolph Lundgren film from back in the early nineties. DON'T DESPAIR, PEOPLE! With the addition of TRUE star clout in Travolta, this could be a BIG surprise to everyone! Hey...... even though they cast Jane in the part already...... did ANYONE other than myself actually think for a moment, "Travolta! NOW WHY didn't they cast HIM as Frank"??! He's a terrific actor, I think he coulda done it, ladies and gents! What do YOU all think?? SHARE!

[Relic]

I think the idea of moving Frank from New York to Tampa is a good idea.

OK, sure, Detroit or Philly, might seem better, but they might have been trying to stay away from cities that would look a bit more like New York. Why? Because, almost every Marvel comic that is going to be relesed to Film, is stationed in NY, so this could be the reason for the change.

Don't know though, just a guess on my part.

Relic

[Zephonim]

Travolta as the Punisher????!!!!

Now that would really F***ING SUCK!!!!!!!!!

I mean F*** just how DUMB are you?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

And I guess you guys are right this movie is going to be bad because I forgot that you guys are the experts here!!!!

Die Hard 1 was the BEST.
Die Hard 2 was the WORST!!!!!!!
Die Hard 3 was OK.

I mean what writer or director hasn't done something bad or worst in his or her's career??????????????????????


You know it seems that NOTHING is going to SATISFY you guys unless this movie done your way.

[norrinraad]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by D.K.HOOD:
And isn't there a fat crimeboss in Marvel Comics that lives in Florida? I remember Spider-Man fighting him in an annual. He was like the poor man's Kingpin.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You're thinking of The Slug, a huge Miami Crime Boss who suffocated his enemies between the folds of fat on his torso. Not one of Gerry Conway's finer moments... http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/biggrin.gif

If memory serves, Slug assisted the Lobo Bros in trying to enslave Frank so they are familiar with each other. However, I think the character is too obscure for anyone at Marvel to want to use him in this film, but you never know...

As for Travolta, that definitely raised my eyebrows. He was great in Pulp and hasn't had a hit in awhile but he also commands a big paycheque. I would rather they use a less expensive character actor and spend the $15 million they save on designs or marketing or something. Punisher should be a smaller film rather than one of those big Hollywood type things, IMO.

As for location, if I was going to be running around roof tops at 2am in January wearing leather or spandex, I'd rather do it in Florida than New York City http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/wink.gif

[TheHeretic]

Actually, given that we are Punisher fans, and it is our hard earned money that has kept that character alive, and it is us that will rush out on opening weekend to see this, I believe that the studio owes us a certain amount of respect. So far what we've seen is that the studio wants to create a completely new character with no relation at all to the Frank Castle in the comics. OK, so why would any of us go?

[Essex]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Zephonim:
<B>Travolta as the Punisher????!!!!

Now that would really F***ING SUCK!!!!!!!!!

I mean F*** just how DUMB are you?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hey, settle down, alright? Nice first impression.... http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/rolleyes.gif



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"That which does not kill us...makes us stranger." - Trevor Goodchild, Aeon Flux

[The Amazing Crappo]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Megatron:
<B>I don't like the fact that Castle is an ex-FBI dude, they should at least mention that he was also a soldier or something.
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

They do. They say he's an FBI agent, but also ex-special forces. When I hear 'special forces' I picture someone like Michael Bien in The Rock or Seagal in Execitive Decision...


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My common sense is tingling....

[CaptainSkeptic]

Now if this were Superman and they announced that Supes would be no where near any "Metropolis" but would instead reside in Seattle, WA. everyone and his brother would be sending death threats to the producers.

New York is integral to the character just as Gotham is to Batman.

Travolta as a villanous character created especially for this film?

Bullsh!t!

If they were remaking Superman and replaced Lex Luthor with a new character called "Smarty Pants"(played by Tom Hanks), everyone would be up in arms adn for good reason!

I like Travolta as an actor.Face/Off was a brilliant movie.One of the best four or five action flicks ever made perhaps.But I am sorry...Thomas Jane + Travolta as new character + Florida instead of NY + Hensleigh = Suck-ass movie.
You fan boys can get your hopes up all you want, just as you did for The Crow, Batman, Daredevil, and every other slap in the face that Hollywood has thrown at us and likely you will be impressed no matter how bad the movie is.

I will hold onto my $8.50 when this slop is released though.

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"I am in a very peculiar business...I travel all over the world telling people what they should already know."-James Randi

[Zephonim]

But don't you SEE!!!!!

This is a Marvel comics movie NOT a DC comics movie.

The Punisher is NOT Batman!!!!!!!!!!!

If you were fighting crime you could not limit yourself just to ONE city. That's Bulls***!!!

Do any of you people know why comic book movies can't be just like the comics???????????????????????????????

Because they don't own the rights to that character. They didn't come up with a character called The Punisher. It's not there character.

If they do make it just like the comic then that's saying that they came up with the Punisher and not Marvel.

Marvel would then end up suing them over that.


It's not that hard to figure out guys.

Or at least it shouldn't be.

[This message has been edited by Zephonim (edited 05-15-2003).]

[Essex]

Um....what?

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"That which does not kill us...makes us stranger." - Trevor Goodchild, Aeon Flux

[D.K.HOOD]

The only significant thing in the comics that ties Frank Castle to New York is that his family was killed in Central Park. Thats' it. Forget everything else. That's all they need New York for. My only gripe about the location of the story would be if that part of his origin was changed to Florida.

But New York is nowhere close to being identified with the Punisher like Metropolis is to Superman, or Gotham to Batman. Punisher chases criminals wherever they go. That's what the character has always done. So don't get upset if they don't base the movie off of a limited version of the Punisher.

[The Xenos]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Zephonim:
<B>It's not that hard to figure out guys.
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not if you pass me a hit of whatever you're smoking! http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/smile.gif

-Xenos

[Zephonim]

Are there any F***ING smart people around here??????????????????????????

[Essex]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Zephonim:
Are there any F***ING smart people around here??????????????????????????<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Apparently you're not included, because what you just said about copyright law is pure, 110% BS.

I'm not even going to bother to explain where you went wrong, because it was everywhere.

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"That which does not kill us...makes us stranger." - Trevor Goodchild, Aeon Flux

[Bigkid]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Zephonim:
<B>Travolta as the Punisher????!!!!

Now that would really F***ING SUCK!!!!!!!!!

I mean F*** just how DUMB are you?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

And I guess you guys are right this movie is going to be bad because I forgot that you guys are the experts here!!!!

Die Hard 1 was the BEST.
Die Hard 2 was the WORST!!!!!!!
Die Hard 3 was OK.

I mean what writer or director hasn't done something bad or worst in his or her's career??????????????????????


You know it seems that NOTHING is going to SATISFY you guys unless this movie done your way.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hey ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ............
Take a break, ok? You don't have to be a PRICK ALL the time.

It was just an opinion. K?

[Bigkid]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Zephonim:
Are there any F***ING smart people around here??????????????????????????<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

OH, I'm sorry, I should have done this in my other response to this:

Hey ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZephonim.......

Take a break........ and then the rest of what I said before. Have a good day, snooze boy!

[CaptainSkeptic]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Zephonim:
<B>But don't you SEE!!!!!

This is a Marvel comics movie NOT a DC comics movie.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

What does that have to do with anything?!?If this were the first Spiderman movie and it were set in Tokyo or Los Angeles or Seattle it would be just as stupid!

The Punisher is NOT Batman!!!!!!!!!!!

Thank you Captain State-The-Obvious.

If you were fighting crime you could not limit yourself just to ONE city. That's Bulls***!!!

You are missing the point junior.this is supposed to be the introduction of the Punisher.This is not a sequel.If it were a sequel I would not care where it took place as long as the story was good and the casting was done right.

Do any of you people know why comic book movies can't be just like the comics???????????????????????????????

Yes.There are several reasons, but that is all irrelevent.I could care less if every detail of a C2F translation was exactly like the source material.I only get miffed when they make UNNECESSARY changes for incredibly stupid reasons, such as when the producers hire a second screenwriter to come "round out the script" which usually consists of replacing story elements with tried(tired?) and true Hollywood cliches(see The Crow).

Because they don't own the rights to that character. They didn't come up with a character called The Punisher. It's not there character.

What the hell are you talking about?They DO have the FILM RIGHTS and can most certainly use whatever character and location names they have paid for.For example, the makers of Spider-man could not use The Hulk in a sequel(even though in the comics they exist in the same universe) but they most certainly CAN and DID use J. Jonah Jameson, Mary Jane Watson and the story WAS set in New York/Manhattan.

If they do make it just like the comic then that's saying that they came up with the Punisher and not Marvel.

?!?You are either 11 years old or on crack...or both.

Marvel would then end up suing them over that.

Let me get this straight:You believe that movie studios who option comic characters for film are allowed to use the name and likeness of the characters but cannot use any of the character's backstory, nor set the character's orgin in New York if his comic orgin is set in NY?!?
Sorry kiddo but if anything it works the other way around.Stephen King sued the makers of The Lawnmower man because the movie was NOT like his book.I cannot even concieve of a situation where someone would be sued for making a film translation TOO ACCURATE!?


<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>It's not that hard to figure out guys.

Or at least it shouldn't be.

[This message has been edited by Zephonim (edited 05-15-2003).]</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

"...I want you to wear aluminum foil so we know who you are!"-Lewis Black, in a stand up bit about Jerry Falwell and 9-11



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"I am in a very peculiar business...I travel all over the world telling people what they should already know."-James Randi

[CaptainSkeptic]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Zephonim:
Are there any F***ING smart people around here??????????????????????????<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Two surefire identifying characteristics of stupid posters:

1)The poster outright proclaims his own great intellect or implies the converse(i.e. everyone else is stupid)...especially when met with criticism.

2)Over using or misusing punctuation.This includes inserting 13 '?'s or '!'s at the end of a sentence.More commonly though it is the reckless abuse of the caps lock key.Often these sorts of posters will also include row upon row of elipses(Those...rows...of...tiny....dots...in....b etween...every....few...words...).



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"I am in a very peculiar business...I travel all over the world telling people what they should already know."-James Randi

[CaptainSkeptic]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by D.K.HOOD:
<B>The only significant thing in the comics that ties Frank Castle to New York is that his family was killed in Central Park. Thats' it. Forget everything else. That's all they need New York for. My only gripe about the location of the story would be if that part of his origin was changed to Florida.

But New York is nowhere close to being identified with the Punisher like Metropolis is to Superman, or Gotham to Batman. Punisher chases criminals wherever they go. That's what the character has always done. So don't get upset if they don't base the movie off of a limited version of the Punisher.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Again, this is supposed to be the movie which introduces the movie-going public to The Punisher.If this movie is set in Tampa, Florida then we can conclude that either a)His orgin has been changed signifigantly or b)They are not bothering with the orgin stuff other than maybe refering to it in passing.I can already picture a scene with a couple of investigators talking and one saying something like: "This Castle guy was a fed working in the New York office until his family was killed by {John Travolta's character}.Wonder what he's doing in Tampa and how this ties into the recent ninja attacks?!?"

Superman goes off all over the universe fighting evil also but he is still a Metropolis boy and Batman is a Gotham man and Puni' is a NYC guy.
Florida is too sunny and cheery for teh Punisher.That scene might play well in a video game like GTA:Vice City or a style fest like Miami Vice.As far as I am concerned...no, thank you.




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"I am in a very peculiar business...I travel all over the world telling people what they should already know."-James Randi

[Bigkid]

To the Captain (Skeptic):

Thanks for your posts! They have been BOTH humorous as WELL as informative!

[GRIM]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Zephonim:
[B]Travolta as the Punisher????!!!!

Now that would really F***ING SUCK!!!!!!!!!

I mean F*** just how DUMB are you?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

hey, no need to jump on bigkid for throwing out an opinion. i could think of a lot worse actors to play frank. i dont agree with the choice but im not calling the lil guy a moron.




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DICK

[GRIM]

zephonim: just quit now guy, just quit now.

the fact that the punisher is not in new york, is not so much my problem. rather, i dont like florida. yes im sure there is crime there too, but florida...is pretty. full of beutiful people and sunny scenary. punisher should be gritty, and real, with a gray overtone to it.

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DICK

[D.K.HOOD]

I haven't paid too much attention to this thread so didn't see Bigkid's post before. I did consider Travolta in the part of the Punisher before Thomas Jane got the role, but then I quickly dismissed that thought because I had someone better in mind.

I still think Furio from the Sopranos would have been perfect but I doubt if he was even considered for the role.

[imported_Robbo]

I'm moving this to the brand new Punisher forum (http://www.comics2film.com/cgibin/forumdisplay.cgi?action=topics&forum=Punisher&number=18&DaysPrune=30&LastLogin=)!

[themanwithoutfear]

yes exactly..florida is too pretty for the punisher. he needs a city like new york or philly or detriot. hell even l.a.

this film is going to look alot like that movie stallone and sharon stone did."the specialist" i think it was called.....hey it even had eric roberts in it.

[GRIM]

Eric Roberts...*shudder*

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DICK

[Bigkid]

ERIC ROBERTS AS THE PUNISHER! YEAAAHHH!!!
(just want to see how ZZZZZZZZZZZenophim was going to respond).

[norrinraad]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by themanwithoutfear:
"the specialist"<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sharon Stone never looked more beautiful than she did here (the only note worthy thing about the movie, IMO).

And for the record, if this was 1993 I think Stalone would make an awesome Punisher!

[The Amazing Crappo]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by norrinraad:
And for the record, if this was 1993 I think Stalone would make an awesome Punisher!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

And in 1995 they said "Stallone would make an awsome Judge Dredd!"....look how awesome that turned out...


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My common sense is tingling....

[norrinraad]

There ya go, he shoulda played The Punisher instead... http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/wink.gif

BTW, I never saw Judge Dread, was it really that bad?

[D.K.HOOD]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by norrinraad:
<B>There ya go, he shoulda played The Punisher instead... http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/wink.gif

BTW, I never saw Judge Dread, was it really that bad?</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It wasn't 'Batman & Robin' bad, but yeah it was bad.

[imported_StormShadow]

You think maybe they are just cashing in on a Vice city feel for the whole thing?

[Shock]

Well as far as the shooting in Florida, they will make it look like New York. Actually i think that its a good idea cause they will be shooting in comparitivly vacant spots. So you dont have to worry about delaying to get a warrant to shut down a street or something. But its like when Daredevil was being shot everyone was worried that they were changing it to L.A. because thats where they were filming it. Look now, it looks soo much like Hells Kitchen its not funny. So really thats not a point to worry about. I have read some interviews with the writers, and the story does take place in New York. There have been interviews both where they say A: Too many characters take place in New York, and they want to get away from that, and B: They will keep the city in a place that has a "Punisher" feel. For me the only city is New York. I think they will try and pull some secrets with this film. Much like a way that Brian Singer kept many upon many secrets in X2 from leaking to the press, he even took photos with characters in scenes they werent really in. Until we see Frank Castle pulling a Tom Vercetti I'm not concerned. Hell they shot both Reloaded and Revolutions in Austrailia, so simple filming location is nothing to worry about really. But you know what, if they can keep the same feel for Frank Castle in a different city, I'm all for it.

Thomas Jane for Frank Castle, good choice. Even compared to the early 90's. I'd prefer someone that can act worth a shit and can look extremly buff, over someone who is just known for their muscle, i.e. Stallone or Diesel. Jane is a good actor, loves the character, I think once you see him in the movie, it will be like Jackman as Wolverine, not the originally wanted cast, but now no one else could play him.

[This message has been edited by Shock (edited 05-20-2003).]

[Shock]

On the Jane stuff, he has dyed his hair jet black, and he really looks good, so no need to worry about that. I like Travolta more than i liked Russle as Tombstone too.

[CaptainSkeptic]

I did not think Jackman was a great wolverine either but that is just me I guess(he was just too tall and not "Clint Eastwood" enough IMO).Let's face it we can talk all day long about who is a great actor and who isn't but no one would want Anthony Hopkins to play Castle over, say Dolph Lundren.Appearances DO matter when translating comic characters to film.

Stallone would have been bad at any time because A) He is not a good actor and B)He is too short and really does not look like Puni'.

Travolta is not playing Tombstone.He is playing a character created especially for this movie.THAT is what the big concern is over Travolta.Again, the producers are ignoring the fans so they can persue their own ego-driven creative impulses which are sure to be so much better than the comic book stories they never read anyway.

I would not care where they shot the film(Daredevil was shot mostly in Canada but the story was set in Hell's Kitchen).I am concerned with the story being set in Florida.There is no need for that crap.If they could not find a writer capable of pulling off a decent script about the Punisher(as opposed to just writing an entirely different script and calling the lead character "The Punisher")...the one from the comic books, then they are lazy or stupid(or both).

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"I am in a very peculiar business...I travel all over the world telling people what they should already know."-James Randi

[Shock]

I know who Travolta is playing, I was trying to make a comparison, didnt make it clear though. But Daredevil was shot in Californina not Canada. That was X-men.

[jack of trades]

May I just recap? The Punisher will be starring Thomas Jane. John Travolta will have a role, but the character has not yet been determined. The filming will take place in Florida, but the movie will be set in New York. Have I followed the thread correctly?

I heard that Garth Ennis is getting a writing credit (not screenwriting). Can we hope that the studios will follow his mini series by giving us an ultra-violent, yet humorous story? That would be awesome, but I actually don't see that happening. They need to give the audience some background and there just isn't much humor in Frank's family being murdered. Maybe an Ennis-style Punisher cartoon?

[imported_Robbo]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jack of trades:
John Travolta will have a role, but the character has not yet been determined. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The character has absolutely been determined and spelled out in detail in all the casting announcements. The character is Howard Saint a former underworld figure who goes straight but returns to old habits after his son is slain.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jack of trades:
The filming will take place in Florida, but the movie will be set in New York. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, the movie looks as if it will be set in Tampa, Florida as well.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jack of trades:
I heard that Garth Ennis is getting a writing credit (not screenwriting).<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I have not heard this. Michael France, who wrote a pre-Hensleigh draft of the script, told us way back in 2001 that he included some of Ennis' elements in his script, but there's been no word of whether or not those remain in Hensleigh's script. Based on the synopsis presented by Artisan, it doesn't sound much like any of Ennis' stories.

[GRIM]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jack of trades:
<B>May I just recap? The Punisher will be starring Thomas Jane. John Travolta will have a role, but the character has not yet been determined. The filming will take place in Florida, but the movie will be set in New York. Have I followed the thread correctly?

I heard that Garth Ennis is getting a writing credit (not screenwriting). Can we hope that the studios will follow his mini series by giving us an ultra-violent, yet humorous story? That would be awesome, but I actually don't see that happening. They need to give the audience some background and there just isn't much humor in Frank's family being murdered. Maybe an Ennis-style Punisher cartoon?</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

from what i understand from CBR new the storie takes place in tampa bay. the director of movie production in tampa pay, (that my own name for the title cuz i cant remeber the real title) said that usualy people in tampa bay shoot pictures set somewhere else, but punisher was to be an exeption. did anyone else read this? god i hope im wrong.



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DICK

[CaptainSkeptic]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Shock:
I know who Travolta is playing, I was trying to make a comparison, didnt make it clear though. But Daredevil was shot in Californina not Canada. That was X-men.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Daredevil was shot mostly in Toronto because it was much cheaper than shooting in the states.



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[imported_Robbo]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by CaptainSkeptic:
<B>
Daredevil was shot mostly in Toronto because it was much cheaper than shooting in the states.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, actually Shock is right. DD was SUPPOSED to be shot in Vancouver but Ben Affleck is a wuss and afraid of Canadians so he made them shoot it in L.A.

Also, Canadian actors messed up Fox's plans by threatening to strike during the shoot, so L.A. became a lower risk location.

The movie was shot in L.A.

[D.K.HOOD]

Canada and the U.S. will put its differences aside to finally come together as one and rule the world! Mwwahhhah haha hahaha hhah!

[CaptainSkeptic]

You are right.I was looking at an old news bit that said principle shooting was to be in Toronto and I forgot they changed the location to LA.

[Bigkid]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Shock:
On the Jane stuff, he has dyed his hair jet black, and he really looks good, so no need to worry about that. I like Travolta more than i liked Russle as Tombstone too.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hey Shockster!
Really? He wound up dying his hair, huh? Have you seen a pic of that yet, is it posted somewhere ........ somewhere, perhaps, you can put a link up for us? I'd really like to see that, actually. I was all for the casting of Thomas Jane in the first place, wasn't crazy about the pic that they realeased before. But if they've got a new shot of him with NEW hair color, I'd like to see it!

[Shock]

Well there was a meeting that Jane spoke at which he started to mention The Punisher, and well they made him shut up about it for about a week, and then to please people they threw together a pic, no time to dye his hair. and yes here is the link http://www.countingdown.com/movies/25870/multimedia/images?item_id=3065735

[Bigkid]

Thanks to SHOCK for sending that link! He does look a heuluva lot better with the hair dyed, but I WISH someone had put him into the Punisher costume for the pic as well. Something about him having a big smile on his face in a very "jocular" mood dosen't completely do it for me.... well, hell,I'm really splitting hairs, aren't I?? He looks fine..... when the time comes, there will be more promo pics of him in the costume along with his new hair color, and then we'll all be satisfied, I'm sure! Well, some of us will be anyway!

[MALCOLMXERXES]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dr. Fahrenheit:
<B>However, Jonathon Hensleigh as director/screenwriter ? Eh, I don't know about that one, this is the same Hensleigh that killed Hulk back in the mid-1990's, and is responsible for so much action trash as The Saint, Armageddon, and Die Hard With a Vengeance as well as The Young Indiana Jones stuff.

Thanks,
Doc F</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

DR. FAHRENHEIT,

I thought that THE SAINT(TM) was an entertaining enough picture, but that it should not have been in any way connected with the title character of MR. LESLIE CHARTERIS'S novels about MR. SIMON TEMPLAR.

The scenes in DIE HARD WITH A RACIST - er, "WITH A VENGEANCE"! - that featured MS. SAM PHILLIPS were done extremely well, but I thought that she did the best acting in the film, despite being mute.



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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GRIM:
my perdiction, this movie is going to blow. john travolta is a good actor, and i feel sorry for him that he is going to be involed with this film. please....anybody, prove me wrong, i just want to believe in this movie!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

GRIM,

I don't "feel sorry for him"; I envy him, the jammy b*st*rd!

How terrible it must be for him to have to take all those wheelbarrows full of cash to his bank, whenever he takes on another project.



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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bigkid:
I believe that what's going on, is that the filmmaker's are merely trying to put their own indelible stamp on this project, and creating a character from scratch is one way of doing this. I believe they maybe doing this so that they can truly also try to distance themselves from the Dolph Lundgren film from back in the early nineties. DON'T DESPAIR, PEOPLE! With the addition of TRUE star clout in Travolta, this could be a BIG surprise to everyone! Hey...... even though they cast Jane in the part already...... did ANYONE other than myself actually think for a moment, "Travolta! NOW WHY didn't they cast HIM as Frank"??! He's a terrific actor, I think he coulda done it, ladies and gents! What do YOU all think?? SHARE!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

BIGKID,

THE PUNISHER(TM) is a lean, mean, killing machine, whereas that actor is often obese. If he was in STAYING ALIVE(TM) mode, I could understand your position, but I would still oppose such a casting decision.

Give me either MR. CHRISTOPHER MELONI or MR. JONATHAN La PAGLIA.



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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TheHeretic:
Actually, given that we are Punisher fans, and it is our hard earned money that has kept that character alive, and it is us that will rush out on opening weekend to see this, I believe that the studio owes us a certain amount of respect. So far what we've seen is that the studio wants to create a completely new character with no relation at all to the Frank Castle in the comics. OK, so why would any of us go?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

THEHERETIC,

I would go because I wouldn't want to be spoiled by someone else who has seen it before I have done so!


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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by CaptainSkeptic:
<B>
Two surefire identifying characteristics of stupid posters:

1)The poster outright proclaims his own great intellect or implies the converse(i.e. everyone else is stupid)...especially when met with criticism.

2)Over using or misusing punctuation.This includes inserting 13 '?'s or '!'s at the end of a sentence.More commonly though it is the reckless abuse of the caps lock key.Often these sorts of posters will also include row upon row of elipses(Those...rows...of...tiny....dots...in....b etween...every....few...words...).</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

CAPTAINSKEPTIC,

I grok the fullness of the totality!



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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by D.K.HOOD:
I still think Furio from the Sopranos would have been perfect but I doubt if he was even considered for the role. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

DKH,

I see where you're coming from, especially after that episode on the airport runway with TONY SOPRANO!



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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Shock:
<B>Until we see Frank Castle pulling a Tom Vercetti I'm not concerned.
[This message has been edited by Shock (edited 05-20-2003).]</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

SHOCK,

Who's TOM VERCETTI?

[GRIM]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MALCOLMXERXES:
<B> SHOCK,

Who's TOM VERCETTI?</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

yea that was a pretty esoteric reference there.

ive yet to begin to believe in this movie. but, we shall see. personaly, i belive its going to be the doom of marvels hot streak. dont get me wrong folks, im lookin for good news hear, im just not seeing anything. so far what we got is a mediocure actor, a bad screenwrite/director. (im not sure, which is the the guy who did armegodon?) and a tubby talent who hasnt put out a worth while film since pulp fiction.

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GRIM,

I understand your concern.

I hope that the situation shan't be analogous to the DAREDEVIL(TM) scenario, wherein the film had him killing criminals, an act that MURDOCK/DAREDEVIL(TM) would never commit.

I have no use for "a kinder, gentler PUNISHER(TM)" who compels criminals to enter 12-step programmes, rather than doing what we have all come to expect of him.

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[Bigkid]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MALCOLMXERXES:
<B> BIGKID,

THE PUNISHER(TM) is a lean, mean, killing machine, whereas that actor is often obese. If he was in STAYING ALIVE(TM) mode, I could understand your position, but I would still oppose such a casting decision.

Give me either MR. CHRISTOPHER MELONI or MR. JONATHAN La PAGLIA.

</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Mr. M!
Yes, I can see your point about Travolta in his leaner, meaner days..... Jonathan LaPaglia....... hmmm, interesting choice actually! But as far as Travolta goes, he is the sort of actor that would've gone on a regiment of diet and excercise that would've made him perfect for the role. I know that there are some here who think I'm a little off my rocker for saying this, but..... well, it's only an opinion right?

[MALCOLMXERXES]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bigkid:
<B> Mr. M!
Yes, I can see your point about Travolta in his leaner, meaner days..... Jonathan LaPaglia....... hmmm, interesting choice actually! But as far as Travolta goes, he is the sort of actor that would've gone on a regiment of diet and excercise that would've made him perfect for the role. I know that there are some here who think I'm a little off my rocker for saying this, but..... well, it's only an opinion right? </B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

BK,

You are not alone in the belief that he is right for the role, never fear!

My perception of THE PUNISHER(TM), however, is a man who is a natural athlete, sharpened & honed by decades of specialised training & field experience, which JT has never even hinted @ being capable of carrying out. Exempli gratia: his "boxing" with CS in BROKEN ARROW(TM) literally caused me to laugh aloud when I sat in the cinema.

Also, he lacks menace in his eyes, on his face, in his entire demeanour & deportment, & none of his performances to date have persuaded or convinced me otherwise; therefore, I must conclude that he is not FRANK CASTLE/THE PUNISHER(TM) material.

...And yes, I do acknowledge that we are merely exchanging opinions! http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/wink.gif



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[GRIM]

Malcom Xesers. whats with all the "TM" stuff man? your making me nervous, am i in danger of getting sued if i dont do that?

[Shock]

Tom Vercetti is the dude in GTA Vice City. I honestly think we should wait for a teaser, a trailer, hell a production photo before we loose all faith in the movie. I am halfway done with the graphic novel of Punisher Marvel Knights, and i can only hope that the movie will be anything like it. I think there are more things to worry about than the setting, if it has to be in tampa let it be. If in some way it conflicts with the story or anything set it in New York. I have heard from many places that it will be SET in New York, and many that say it will be set in Tampa. More reliable for the New York scene. But until we see Frank castle in a florida fruity button up t-shirt and shorts, we shouldnt have anything to worry about, i mean come on Bad Boys is set in Miami, and its pretty bad ass. and to be honest, I think for the movies sake to have upteen different characters in the same state a matter of 30 miles apart from each other, i.e. X-men, Daredevil, Spider-man, Fantastic Four, Sub Mariner, and them not run into each other, just seems stupid, 'tis why i like the Hulk in San Fransico. Not cause i love the city, but because he doesnt raise suspiscion as to where are the X-men, Spider-Man, etc? Mabey when you think about it, it is for the best eh?

[D.K.HOOD]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Shock:
I honestly think we should wait for a teaser, a trailer, hell a production photo before we loose all faith in the movie. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah, this thread lost objectivity and went into "fanboy whining" in a hurry. Doesn't anybody remember the changes made to Spider-Man like "organic webbing" or his "costumes"? How about a genetically engineered spider instead of a radioactive one? What about the omission of Gwen Stacy or the fact that Peter didn't know who MJ was in the comics until they were both teenagers? And there's a bunch of other changes that I don't even feel like listing. But you know what, nobody cares about that stuff because the Spider-Man movie turned out not to be embarrasing like some of its predecessors. Keep hope alive!

[GRIM]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Shock:
[ i mean come on Bad Boys is set in Miami, and its pretty bad ass, [/B]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/confused.gif



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[MALCOLMXERXES]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GRIM:
Malcom Xesers. whats with all the "TM" stuff man? your making me nervous, am i in danger of getting sued if i dont do that? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

GRIM,

No, it's nothing like that!

I just really enjoyed AMERICAN FLAGG!(TM) by MR. HOWARD CHAYKIN.

FAGEDDABOUDIT!


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[MALCOLMXERXES]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Shock:
Tom Vercetti is the dude in GTA Vice City. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

SHOCK,

Is that a television programme?


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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by D.K.HOOD:
Yeah, this thread lost objectivity and went into "fanboy whining" in a hurry. Doesn't anybody remember the changes made to Spider-Man like "organic webbing" or his "costumes"? How about a genetically engineered spider instead of a radioactive one? What about the omission of Gwen Stacy or the fact that Peter didn't know who MJ was in the comics until they were both teenagers? And there's a bunch of other changes that I don't even feel like listing. But you know what, nobody cares about that stuff because the Spider-Man movie turned out not to be embarrasing like some of its predecessors. Keep hope alive! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

DKH,

If I may play THE DEVIL'S ADVOCATE(TM), the fact that everyone is sharing their respective opinions makes it impossible for this thread to be "objective", since they are all "subjective" assessments. http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/wink.gif

My only problem with SPIDER-MAN(TM) (2002) was that I have been unable to divine a rational explanation why anyone would want to apply such a costly procedure as "genetic engineering" to a mere arachnid!

Where was the potential for profit thereby?



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[GRIM]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MALCOLMXERXES:
<B> DKH,

If I may play THE DEVIL'S ADVOCATE(TM), the fact that everyone is sharing their respective opinions makes it impossible for this thread to be "objective", since they are all "subjective" assessments. http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/wink.gif

My only problem with SPIDER-MAN(TM) (2002)</B> was that I have been unable to divine a rational explanation why anyone would want to apply such a costly procedure as "genetic engineering" to a mere arachnid!

Where was the potential for profit thereby?

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


spiderweb synthesiseing has been for a while now an objective of scientist. trying to make spiderwebs as thick as well, spidermans for one. it dosent realy matter, in reality, a gentically alterd spider would be just as useless as a radioactive one.

[Bigkid]

I agree with D.K. somewhat, the big fan's of this particular comic are getting a scared off a little too soon. I think it should just be one of these "wait and see" type of situations, and we'll get the full effect of this once there is a full out trailer attached to it. The way that film's are getting made so quickly nowadays, I bet we'll be seeing a shorty trailer by the end of the summer. Especially since the producer's of this film, I'm sure, are QUITE aware of the rabid fan base out there. HAVE NO FEAR EVERYONE! I really think this is going to be a whole deal of FUN. Not that I'm saying that Frank Castle's a FUN guy, NOOOO! Well, I think you all know where I'm coming from!

[GRIM]

my main worry about this film is that it will end up like everyother big action summer movie. dont get me wrong, the punishr has been handald like that before, but like i said before im a huge fan of the garth ennis stuff more than anything else, and he deliverd a much more realistic, and much more frightning punisher than anyone in my opinion. not to mention a few laugh riot scenes. i can see the way this is heading. frank loses family, frank kills bad guys, frank searches for redemption, frank broods, frank shoots. it should be, frank loses family, becomes a shell of his former self, goes out and kills as many criminals as he can, and when some cop tries to lecture him, frank just stares into the officers eyes, and the cop wets himself.

ofcourse my real probelm with this movie could be that its just not mine. i had what i considerd a perfect vision for the punisher movie, and now someone is doing something compleatley different. im just a whiner. never know, i guess ill be happy if it turns out to be a worthwhile film. not just another genaric action flick.

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[Bigkid]

In response to what Grim just said, I think it's all about the same for all of us. In the upcoming SUB-MARINER film, I'd like to think that they are going to make the film based on the origin story, and have it set in WW2, and his chronological story that happened afterwards, when he became a human vagabond in the Bowery on the Lower East Side. But for all I know, they aint takin it that way!! It's all a control issue, I think, for ALL fan's of a certain comic....and sure, we'd like to see a scenario where Frank just about decapitates everything in sight, but you know what? It MIGHT..... only saying "might", now....... it might be a good thing to see some things turned around a little bit, for the sake of the storyline and such. Maybe give him a little more humanity, not make him SO much of a wreaking ball....... it actually might get a little boring throughout the film to just see him being a one not character all the way thru, you know? Well... just my 2 copper pieces worth, is all!

[Shock]

In response to what Bigkid just said, i aggree. I think they will challenge him. The line, "he's got a sub-machine gun, ive got a .45, the night goes downhill after that" should be just that. I dont want to see a guy with a Colt 1911, take out 25 guys bolted with duel mac 10's. It's why I didnt like Reloaded. Morpheus about to die in a firey inferno, never fear Neo will save the day, Trinity falling to doom, never fear Nea will save the day, 99 Mr. Smiths never fear Neo will save the day, agents crashing a captains meeting in the matrix, never fear neo will save the day. same thing Neo saving the day. I think that the script will be alot like ennis' stuff. Punisher wont be unstopable, but a force to be wreckended with.

[MALCOLMXERXES]

GRIM,

Acknowledged.

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SHOCK,

Spoiler warnings, please, for crying out loud!

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[Shock]

Nothing that I spoiled, it wasn't a key part of the issue, and if you haven't already read Marvel Knights Punisher, then I cant see how you call yourself a fan. lol just kidding but if you are a fan you really need to read it. It is the best Punisher story line ive read, granted that is limited. Oh and GTA Vice City is a video game, the most popular videogame ever.

[mallratX2]

i was at the comic shop yesterday and i'm looking to get into punisher because any C2F just gets me hyped so I bought #2 and #3 of what i thought was the current series of Punisher, but it's actually from the 12 issue mini series from Marvel Knights from 2000, it's pretty good, so for any hardcore punisher fans, should I continue to collect it?

[D.K.HOOD]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Shock:
Nothing that I spoiled, it wasn't a key part of the issue, and if you haven't already read Marvel Knights Punisher, then I cant see how you call yourself a fan.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think he was talking about the Matrix Reloaded references.

[MALCOLMXERXES]

SHOCK,

DKH is correct; I meant THE MATRIX: RELOADED(TM) references. I have not yet seen the film.

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DKH,

Thank you for your intercession on my behalf!

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MALLRATX2,

Yes, you should continue to collect it, but it's also available as a TPB titled "WELCOME BACK, FRANK!"

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[mallratX2]

and continue to collect i shall, thanks malcolm

[MALCOLMXERXES]

MALLRATX2,

I don't think that you will regret it; the series is incredibly funny!

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[Bigkid]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Shock:
In response to what Bigkid just said, i aggree. I think they will challenge him. The line, "he's got a sub-machine gun, ive got a .45, the night goes downhill after that" should be just that. I dont want to see a guy with a Colt 1911, take out 25 guys bolted with duel mac 10's. It's why I didnt like Reloaded. Morpheus about to die in a firey inferno, never fear Neo will save the day, Trinity falling to doom, never fear Nea will save the day, 99 Mr. Smiths never fear Neo will save the day, agents crashing a captains meeting in the matrix, never fear neo will save the day. same thing Neo saving the day. I think that the script will be alot like ennis' stuff. Punisher wont be unstopable, but a force to be wreckended with. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

SHOCK MEISTER!
Exactly! What YOU said! Thanks!

[Shock]

Thats why I'm here. And you could put Frank in Hawaii and it will still be better than 2 Fast 2 Furious, which also takes place in Miami ironicly.

[MALCOLMXERXES]

THE PUNISHER(TM) did take a vacation there, already, in either THE PUNISHER(TM) or THE PUNISHER WAR JOURNAL(TM).

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[Bigkid]

I think the location will work out for the film. The fact that Frank is SUCH a NY character, I can understand a little of the trepidation that some of you are feeling.. but the fact is, that there IS an underbelly to the city of Tampa, and I'm sure that they are going to find the location's for this film that are typical of that, and catch the true essence at the same time of The Punisher.

[Deadxero]

I'm a little slow.
A:Family died in New York, I'd want to leave for a bit too. Get away from it. Hey, Punisher on vacation, the heat was on him, he needed to lay low. He isn't stupid.
B:The FBI thing is my only beef, lets make him FBI so it grabs MORE attention. YThe FBI thing is over-done.
C:Travolta, excellent villian, I'd watch just to see Travolta be bad.
D http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/biggrin.gifolph was still the best Punisher (it's not his fault the writers and director sucked for the first Punisher movie)

[norrinraad]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bigkid:
I think the location will work out for the film.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm not up in arms over the location, either. The Punisher appeared in several Spider-Man titles over the years (appropriate since he made his debut in Amazing Spider-Man) and it was always stressed that he was nomadic and travelled all over the country as required. In a Spectacular Spider-Man arc from awhile back he actually lived on a house boat in Miami, so really the locale is not much of a stretch. I'm more concerned with them getting his essence right and not candy-coating the character for mass consumption.

[Bigkid]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by norrinraad:
<B> I'm not up in arms over the location, either. The Punisher appeared in several Spider-Man titles over the years (appropriate since he made his debut in Amazing Spider-Man) and it was always stressed that he was nomadic and travelled all over the country as required. In a Spectacular Spider-Man arc from awhile back he actually lived on a house boat in Miami, so really the locale is not much of a stretch. I'm more concerned with them getting his essence right and not candy-coating the character for mass consumption.

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Yes......VERY good point, OH NOBLE NORIN! I don't have a WHOLE deal of great knowledge on this character, but from the little I know, I have to agree: STONE COLD KILLER. Got to let him do his thing.... HOWEVER, there has to be a point in the film where we get to see how it's AFFECTING him.... how his stone cold demeanor is actually making it very much a hard life for him to live. Maybe that might sound somewhat wimpish, I don't know.... but, well, there are other's out there who are writing this film that know better than I, so .....who know's? We shall see.

[MALCOLMXERXES]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by norrinraad:
<B> In a Spectacular Spider-Man arc from awhile back he actually lived on a house boat in Miami, so really the locale is not much of a stretch. I'm more concerned with them getting his essence right and not candy-coating the character for mass consumption.
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NORRINRAAD,

This is the first I have heard of such a thing!

Please provide further intel, if possible.

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DEADXERO,

I thought that MR. DOLPH LUNDGREN was well-served by MR. MARK GOLDBLATT & whomever wrote THE PUNISHER(TM) 1989, but SMILIN' STAN THE MAN LEE & NEW WORLD PICTURES(TM) chickened out over the skull emblem issue, calling it "too comic booky".

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[D.K.HOOD]

Which part have you not heard of Malcolm? The houseboat or the Punisher travelling?

[norrinraad]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MALCOLMXERXES:
NORRINRAAD, this is the first I have heard of such a thing! Please provide further intel, if possible.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Malcolm, after Peter David's absolutely incredible run on Spectacular Spider-Man back in the late 80s, Gerry Conway (a veteran Spidey scribe) took over the reins on both Spectacular and Web, and his string of issues represent some of the best Spider-Man stories of the last 20 years (in my most humble of opinions). One of his first arcs was an epic storyline featuring Tombstone, Robbie Robertson, The Punisher (Conway created the character), The Arranger, The Lobo Brothers, The Kingpin and The Persuader. The Persuader was a mutant with a low level ability to force others to do his bidding via mind control. This arc ran from Spectacular #139-143. The Arranger (who was the Kingpin's right hand man in those days) tried to use The Persuader to enslave Punny and force him to kill The Lobo Brothers (and BTW, I made a mistake, this all occurred in Texas, not Florida, but whatever, it still wasn't New York). Peter Parker was touring all over the country at the time promoting his book Webs, a collection of his Spidey photos. It made for some interesting stories.

To make a long story short, in this arc Frank Castle lived on a houseboat called "Golden Girl" which was his main base of operations. I can't recall the Battle Wagon being used in this arc. As an interesting sidenote, this all occurred during the time period when the Kingpin was so obsessed with killing Daredevil that he was no longer concerned with Spider-Man (or anything else for that matter).

If you get a chance, try and track down these issues. I've always thought that Conway bridged the gap between Silver Age Spider-Man and the modern era. And if you're interested in Spider-Man, don't believe the naysayers. The 90s produced some classic stories under guys like Micheline (who created Venom), DeFalco (who created The Rose and Puma) and DeMatteis (who created Vermin). The Clone Saga was not all bad, some great arcs came out of this era (Web Of Death, The Exile Returns). I'm also glad to report that the Spidey titles are still producing quality storylines under Bendis, Jenkins and J. Michael Straczynski.

It should be interesting to see if Gerry Conway gets a credit in the Punisher film for creating the character. In interviews Stan Lee refers to him as "the guy who killed Gwen Stacy", which strikes me as a little unfair. At the time of that classic storyline, Stan was still very hands-on in the Marvel Universe and I'm sure he would have been aware of that decision before the rest of us.

Hope this helps...



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[Bigkid]

As pointed out by Norin Radd, maybe the film will show us Frank now living on this "Golden Girl", in TAMPA. You know, pick up a few year's later to him being somewhat of a recluse on this house boat, but inside it's his "base of operations"?
This way, you could see maybe they are doing the comic more from another perspective, at other time's of The Punisher's life...... not just have it set in NY at the beginning of his origins, which MANY C2F's don't ALWAY'S stick by the original storylines, anyway...... they tend to make their own origin line. Even in DAREDEVIL they made that priest a part of the story, and he wasn't in the origin either. Well, maybe that's a bad example, it's only a small change, they pretty much stuck to the ORIGIN concept of DAREDEVIL.... but, I think you all know what I mean!

[MALCOLMXERXES]

DKH,

It was the houseboat about which I had been ignorant.

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NORRINRAAD,

Thanks for the exhaustive intel!

I had been aware of that SPIDER-MAN(TM) story arc through a friend who is to him as I am to THE PUNISHER(TM), but he had not clued me into the latter's involvement beyond "GANG WAR", presumably because he assumed that I knew, already.

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BK,

Acknowledged.

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[D.K.HOOD]

Apparently Frank Castle's family is killed in Puerto Rico in the new movie. I say Puerto Rico. I didn't know that until now. Did any of you know this? I just found out through reading an article in the Tampa Tribune online. I don't want to stir up the same old debates we had before, but why Puerto Rico?

[themanwithoutfear]

and even more bad news.....
has anyone read the artical regarding the filming of the news reporters? in the articale it even goes over a few lines that they say.
"2 men die in night club shooting. a man drops 50 million dollers out a window "
and this is the one that pissed me off...
"and fbi agent frank castle once believed dead has returned to florida."

WHAT THE FUCK???????? this is ssoooo the wrong thing to do in a movie. if anyone needs to learn the punishers identitiy it should just be the fbi that is tracking him. the media/public should not know frank castle is the punisher.

[riotgirl77]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by themanwithoutfear:
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WHAT THE FUCK???????? this is ssoooo the wrong thing to do in a movie. if anyone needs to learn the punishers identitiy it should just be the fbi that is tracking him. the media/public should not know frank castle is the punisher.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

*There is such a thing as editing you know...

[imported_Thom]

Besides Frank castle doesnt really go out of his way to hide that he is the punsher. People would make the connection easily. But i do agree that i think the whole "frank castle is alive and back" will be edited from the movie.

[zombie_new_wave]

I don't mind the Punisher being in Florida...as for the previous comments that Florida is too clean, where were you? There are dellapidated parts of the city, and 'canes destroy lots of stuff. If I rememeber correctly, there was actually a run where the Punisher was in the keys. There's a fare amount of drug trafficing in FL. I can see him wanting to be there.

I still have a problem with Travolta. There isn't one movie where's he's played the bad guy that i haven't gotten that Stephen Dorf/Blade feeling. If you're going to pay the big bucks, give me a cliche like DeNero, Paccino, heck, Liotta. Tell me that It wouldn't be cool (at least on some primal level) to see Paccino become a Latin drug lord again.

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[GRIM]

So i recentally got in contact with an old friend who lives in Tampa bay. (or rather a suburb near by) According to him, Tampa is not the sunny haven i once thought, infact he described the place as a "cocain cess pool" this gives me hope.

As for Travolta, he's playing a character writtin for the movie, so i doubt he could screw that up to much.

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[D.K.HOOD]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GRIM:
<B>So i recentally got in contact with an old friend who lives in Tampa bay. (or rather a suburb near by) According to him, Tampa is not the sunny haven i once thought, infact he described the place as a "cocain cess pool" this gives me hope.
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Ha! I'm sure the mayor of Tampa will be thrilled with that description.

[Optimus Prime]

It is funny that no one has seen the pics from the set of The Punisher, such as his wannabe Blade-mobile, and a very 80's looking confrontation scene between a black haired Thomas Jane, and Det. Jimmy Weeks and his buddy outside the courthouse.




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[D.K.HOOD]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Optimus Prime:
<B>It is funny that no one has seen the pics from the set of The Punisher, such as his wannabe Blade-mobile, and a very 80's looking confrontation scene between a black haired Thomas Jane, and Det. Jimmy Weeks and his buddy outside the courthouse.
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What do you mean "no one has seen the pics"? You've seen them. I've seen them. I'm sure others have seen them also.

[riotgirl77]

very 80s looking confrontation?!?!?! What the fuck does that mean???

[This message has been edited by riotgirl77 (edited 08-08-2003).]

[Optimus Prime]

What I mean by an 80's looking confrontation is just the fact that it looks kind of crappy in conjunction to what the movie is about.

Frank Castle is a burnt out ex-DEA agent who is going to retire and get a desk job, and then the unthinkable happens. But there is also a cop on his tail throughout the movie, and it has that whole feel of a Louis Gossett Jr. type yelling at Frank Castle saying "goddammit Frank ! your finished ! " and then Castle says "Too late sarge, I quit!" that's what the damn scene looks like.

It feels like The Driver video game or maybe Vice City from what I've seen thus far. Frank Castle seems like he would be resposible for over $2 million worth of damage to four city blocks or something.



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[Essex]

I can barely believe that you are judging this movie badly based on a few snapshots taken by some fan. You have NO idea what is going on in those photos (nor whether that is even Frank's car). Apparently, you don't need to see the movie when it comes out because you already have the whole thing played out in your head, instead of waiting for the real thing. It almost seems like you want to dislike it.

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[riotgirl77]

From what I read on SHH BB's....some people have said that the "80's looking confrontation" http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/rolleyes.gif looks like it was lifted from Year One....dammit I should really get that series...anyone here have it? Is it hard to find?

[This message has been edited by riotgirl77 (edited 08-09-2003).]

[Essex]

I've got it, though I'm actually not sure if it's hard to find. It does seem often overlooked, as it came out in a time right after Punisher was so over-saturated that many ignored him. It's a great story by Abentt and Lanning and has very nice art by Dale Eaglesham (Batman) which I personally think looks way better than his future art, which I wasn't a huge fan of.

At any rate, comics being scarce is hardly a problem when you're online. I'm sure you can find numerous copies on eBay or other comic-selling sites. It's worth the effort, as it's a good story to have in any Punisher collection.

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[riotgirl77]

Ok thanks for your help...I'll try and hunt it (that and the issue with Elektra and that Business as Usual tpb)down. I already have Welcome Back Frank tpb, Army of One tpb, Born #1 & #2, and two current Punisher issues...

[Bigkid]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GRIM:
<B>So i recentally got in contact with an old friend who lives in Tampa bay. (or rather a suburb near by) According to him, Tampa is not the sunny haven i once thought, infact he described the place as a "cocain cess pool" this gives me hope.

As for Travolta, he's playing a character writtin for the movie, so i doubt he could screw that up to much.

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GRIMSTER!
HA! Thanks for this confirmation of something that I said months ago! I think that everyone wanted to make it like Tampa was just this sunny FLA. city that everyone went to on spring break, but it's not. Every major city has an underbelly, as I've stated before, and I'm sure that we are going to get this feel right away when the film comes out. I really don't think there is going to be anything to worry about, ladies and gents..... although, I COULD be wrong......but, we shall just have to wait and see, now won't we?

[riotgirl77]

Heh...funny you mentioned Tampa being not a "safe" haven....I have a friend down there for whom I burned CDs of punk bands (he's old school...so trying to keep him up with the new stuff) and so heh he told me to send the cds to his work address because whenever packages get sent to his house, it gets stolen...so yea...think he said he lives in a nice neighborhood but shit gets stolen from his mailbox or whatever...

[Shock]

To get things straight, the GTO was out before the Camaro, Charger, Challenger. It was one of the original Muscle Cars. So in respect to elders, dont call the GTO a wannabe to a charger k?

[Bigkid]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by riotgirl77:
Heh...funny you mentioned Tampa being not a "safe" haven....I have a friend down there for whom I burned CDs of punk bands (he's old school...so trying to keep him up with the new stuff) and so heh he told me to send the cds to his work address because whenever packages get sent to his house, it gets stolen...so yea...think he said he lives in a nice neighborhood but shit gets stolen from his mailbox or whatever...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

MS.RIOT!
HA! Thank YOU for confirming, once again, the sort of "lay of the land" that Tampa has become! It's a good location everyone, I wouldn't be going TOO apeshit about this anymore! It's going to have a lot of "character", the location I mean, you'll all see!

[MALCOLMXERXES]

ZOMBIE NEW WAVE,

I thought that STEVEN DORFF worked well as DEACON FROST in BLADE™.
Could you be more specific, please?
If JT can pull off that level of believability as the Antagonist, then I will be the first to give The Devil™ his due!

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RIOTGIRL77,

I have PUNISHER™: YEAR 1, & it is quite excellent.
I have not attempted to find it anywhere, so I don’t know whether or not it is difficult to obtain.

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