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In the Ult. Fantastic Four books, there was a slight mention of the four's powers being based on Water, Fire, Earth and Air elements. I think I've heard this mentioned somewhere else, but I don't recall this orginally being the case.
My question is, has this always been true or was this just recently made up? And what would everyone think if they made this the explaination for their specific powers in the movie? I certainly like it better than the 94 movie's explaination "Johnny has fire because he's a hothead, Reed stretches because he's always trying to be everywhere at once, Sue is shy and Ben is tough as rock", but I still don't like the elemental explaination either.
Well, the movie tagline i've seen around for the FF often says: Water, Fire, Earth, Air... and Doom!
Although who are meant to correspond with who? I can see Fire and Earth are Johnny and Ben respectively, but what about water and air? Is water meant to symbolise Reed? How does that show stretching abilities? I suppose air might be Sue since you can't see air. But then, water is also clear, and air might suggest altitude and having one's head in the clouds, like Reed.
As for whether this has always been true... I couldn't say. It's the first I've heard of it recently.
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I'm mistaken. I looked it up on IMDB and the tagline is actually Earth. Wind. Fire. Water. And Doom.
So that is even more ambiguous. Air, i can understand, may be Sue. But wind? That sounds more of a description of Storm (not Sue Storm) who is the Windrider.
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Yeah, water goes with Reed. I guess because he can conform to any container or whatever.
07-06-2004, 08:29 PM
So, what you guy's are saying is, is that they are going to use that for the tagline for THIS version of the FF? I mean, it's sort of catchy, but, like it was pointed out, it really dosen't make much sense when you are trying to correspond it to the correct member. The DOOM part, goes without explanation, but the tagline for the FF......... hmmmm.... I don't really get it. Can someone explain that again?? I've looked at WELSHY'S response a couple of times, as well as Zac's........ and I'm still somewhat full of these: ????????
07-07-2004, 03:23 AM
Well, I've heard Bendis and Millar descibe the Fantastic 4 like that when they were talking about the Ultimate versions of them. But, I'm guessing that when Stan Lee created them, he didn't realize that they could be described that, too. To me, it makes sense, though. I guess that when they got their powers, it somehow transferred their personalities into their physical beings. Ben has always been a reliable, solid, guy. Johnny always been very tempremental. And Reed is always "stretching" his mental and physical limitations. Now I see Sue as the strong, protective and nuturing type, probably the reason why she uses the invisible force fields to protect the group. So in a sense that cheesy Roger Corman film was right, at least, to me, somewhat.
Now as for the elemental part. Well, I might get this totally wrong and I may confuse MORE people with it, but I don't read "Ultimate FF", so I'm guessing. But, for the whole elemental thing, I think, it's a simple way to describe their powers. Maybe when they got their powers from the "Negative Zone" it gave them powers from the Earth itself. And, like I said earlier, it attached itself to their personalities and transferred it to their physical being.
And Biggie, as far as Reed and the whole "water power" thing. I'm guessing it's because when he stretches, he's no longer solid, he's almost to the point of being liquid, but he can't break apart like liquid, so he's part solid, too. I hope your head didn't explode.
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07-07-2004, 12:46 PM
No, my head is still intact, brokenone! Thanks for asking, however!
I will say, that, judging from that explanation, it might be very interesting to see if they DO include that in this new version of the FF. It could be a very interesting way to show WHY they've aquired these powers in the first place: How there powers came about because they manifested themselves from what was already in their personalities. I'd think with a writer such as Mark Frost on board, this screenplay (who's no slouch when it comes to writing off-beat sort of material, given that he was one of the writer's from "Twin Peaks), I would think he'd some how incorporate this into the story line. Just a guess, is all.
07-07-2004, 12:58 PM
Well, I guess this is further proof that Marvel is leaning more towards the Ultimate version of the FF for the movie. I can't recall this ever being mentioned in the regular books. I have to say I'm also not thrilled with this whole Elemental theme, simply because it comes across as a bit cliched. I'm pretty sure this theme has been explored to death in The Inhumans and I seem to recall a team called The Elementals in an old Spider-Man issue. Something a little more original would have been cool.
07-07-2004, 04:20 PM
However, norrinradd, I'd LOVE to see a big screen version OF The Inhumans anyway........ hey, maybe they can be introduced in FF2 and be introduced in the same way with the "elemental" theme, hmmmm? I think THAT would be a great way to get The Inhumans in there! Forget having Sub-Mariner make an appearance in FF2, let's try to get Black Bolt and his crew in that one!
07-07-2004, 07:24 PM
Yeah, it works for everyone except for Sue and air. That gets iffy. Still, I like how in Ellis's latest Ult FF has Reed telling Ben what happened. He said basically that while being "faxed" through the N Zone there were multiple forms, a 'phase space' of all the possible ways they could be, all the what ifs that could have been. They ended up in some of different forms from their natural state. Reed was a liquid like form.. and somehow has no organs save for thsi weird thing in his center, Ben became rocky, etc. I found that interesting. I rather didn't like the lack of a rocket at the beginning, but I am now liking it as it seems like current sceince. Kind of reminds me of some of the stuff in Timeline, but here's hoping the movie doesn't suck like that one did.
07-20-2004, 10:55 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by The Xenos:
<B>Yeah, it works for everyone except for Sue and air. That gets iffy. Still, I like how in Ellis's latest Ult FF has Reed telling Ben what happened. He said basically that while being "faxed" through the N Zone there were multiple forms, a 'phase space' of all the possible ways they could be, all the what ifs that could have been. They ended up in some of different forms from their natural state. Reed was a liquid like form.. and somehow has no organs save for thsi weird thing in his center, Ben became rocky, etc. I found that interesting. I rather didn't like the lack of a rocket at the beginning, but I am now liking it as it seems like current sceince. Kind of reminds me of some of the stuff in Timeline, but here's hoping the movie doesn't suck like that one did.
But, is it possible that the script for this film WILL have bits and pieces of the elemental ideas? I rather like the idea of maybe Reed at some point or another bringing up this as an issue as to why they've become this way. Maybe even have him doing it towards the END of the film, where he's explaining to the team what he's discovering in his attempts to restore them back to their natural selves? It's possible.......any other thoughts? Please......SHARE!
07-20-2004, 12:29 PM
Recently I lent my latest issues of Ultimate FF out to my roomate who had them sitting back home in another state. He was also looking forward tor eading the latest issues as he is a fan of Ellis like I am.
Then he noticed something I missed. Doom was metal. Not that he was in metal armor, he was metal armor. I ntoiced him scratching off skin, but I got so caught up in the relaly cool monolouge he had, I missed below that was metal. My roomate hated that they turned him itno a 'freak' and a supermhuman and just can't read the book now. I hate that they did this too, but I hope there's some skin or something below it, but I doubt it. Still, as much as I hate them doing this to Doom, I am still enjoying the rest of the book.
07-21-2004, 09:06 AM
Hmmmmm..... I wonder: Could there be the possibility that they are going to include this from The Ultimates in THIS film? I'd sure NOT like to see this happen. Anybody else getting a little nervous about THIS possibility? SHARE!
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