View Full Version : How Much Change Would You Accept?
06-15-2004, 08:46 AM
How much change in the charicters, costumes, and origins of Iron Man and Co. would you accept in a film?
If they made his armor magical, would you be peeved?
If they had him wearing black armor with red glowing eyes?
Or if they had him just with a ton of gadgets and a force field, while wearing a black leather trenchcoat?
If they gave Tony Stark the "Ultimates" origin?
If they made Mandarin a businessman with no powers?
If they made Iron Man black, or a woman?
The point of this thread is more to prepare people for some of the things that could be put in an Iron Man movie and discuss our tolerance level to change, not to ask your reaction on every single point.
Personally, I don't think his origin or armor needs too much tweaking for a movie. The "armor holding a shard of metal in place from slashing into my heart" concept would even be a good side-plot, though how it happened was a little odd.
I don't know what they'd do for a villain, but Mandarin could never make an appearence. I mean, his name is kinda offensive in itself.
What are some thoughts?
06-15-2004, 09:13 AM
The one thing about Iron Man that I believe does need tweaked,is his origin, It's a bit dated, being wounded in Vietnam and forced to work for a warlord to build a ultimate weapon, if they want to keep that as the origin that's fine but change it from Vietnam to Iraq or Afganistan,but since Grough and Miller have said that Stark will have a whole new origin,my guess is they will go more to industrial espionage and sabotage where Tony gets injured in someway. So in that way I'm completely open to change as for anything else, I'll take a wait and see approach, I'm a bit more opened minded than most comic purest who think that his origin shouldn't change, we saw how X-Men and Spider Man fans were when there were changes, X-Men fans complained about the costumes, Spider-Man fans complained about not having webshoots,so their will be people who will not except any changes no matter how small,in Iron Man's case the changes I believe will be quit drastic,IMO.
06-15-2004, 02:51 PM
The thing is, just about every comic book character has had their origin changed when it came to screen, some characters took about 40 years to make it on screen (Superman, Batman, Spider-Man, Daredevil, Hulk, Fantastic 4, Captain America, X-Men) and their origins were dated because of various changes in the social climate and advances in science. Iron Man is no exception.
As long as they keep the core concept of they character, I'm fine with it. However, if they made drastic changes with him, like they made him wear a black armor, or a struggling scientist instead of a rich industrialist, I might take some offence to it. But overall, it comes down to how well the film is overall. It could just as well turn out to be a piece of cinematic crap that is faithful to the material, just as well as it could turn out to be a slick, "Hollywood-style" type of crap not at all faithful to the material.
We'll just wait and see.
10-26-2004, 11:58 PM
It's basically been shown in the past couple of weeks that there indeed WILL be changes to the Iron Man that we all remember. I'm wondering though, how many changes that they decide to make will make THAT much of a difference to the "not so die hards" of this comic. Just how popular WAS the Iron Man series? Now, maybe I'm saying this because I was never really a big fan of the book, but, quite seriously, would a LOT of people be up in arms if there were indeed BIG, SWEEPING changes to an Iron Man script? What do you all think? Please.......SHARE!
10-27-2004, 09:40 AM
I think people would just have to understand some changes. In the comic, he became Iron Man during a war waged 40 years ago. He fought ethnic communist steriotypes. For a while he had a heart injury that modern science, especially when mixed with his own science, would have minimal trouble fixing.
For a guy who updates his armor every two months, he's rathe rout of date. So yeah, it WOULD take some heavy modification to his origin.
Change - only where necessary for things which are completely unrelatable to a modern audience. But such things like Iron Man's face mask and basic design should remain the same. If he had a fully exposed face or a half mask like Batman, this would be unacceptable to me, like giving Spidey half a mask. The colour scheme (red and gold) should also be the same, unless they are doing the silver centurion armour. His origin should not be made undramatic, as was the case with the Hulk movie. Nor should it have these silly explanations for why he is the way he is (like Ang Lee's idea that Hulk is green because of jellyfish genes).
The supporting characters should also remain the same, as should the basic premise of his company. Any rumoured ideas of the plot centering around Tony Stark vs his father should be abandoned. We already had that with the Hulk, and see where it got us?
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10-27-2004, 11:01 AM
Very good points by "The Cat"! Yes, I guess I'd have to say that any big changes to, let's say, his armor, wouldn't be something that even the most casual of fans could accept. But I think in order to make it a very interesting storyline, the script has to be able to be given more latitude then, let's say, what they are apparently doing with the upcoming "Deathlok" film. Which, unless you were a real fan of THAT comic, you are not going to recognize the script as it's being written NOW for the big screen. But I really hope that Iron Man's gadgets aren't screwed around with much. Such as the repulsor rays (for sure), but the chestplate thing, which not only was the source that kept his heart working, was also used as a weapon (remember how he could open it and some sort of beam would shoot out)? I'd like to see them keep THAT one intact.
11-01-2004, 05:25 PM
So now we're hearing the main villian will be Stark's father involved with the military indutrial complex and Tony Stark himself is jsut a playboy. Ugh.
This also sounds similar to some of the worst changes of Hulk, which I liked despite that, but I don't know here. As much as I liked the idea of using a more updated orgin with biological radiation instead of an atomic blast, I was thinking about it was bad that the Hulk and how they made Banner oversypathetic. My roomate who hated the film pointed out with his oringal origin how Banner had to redeem himself from his work on such a destructive science. You totally lost that aspect of the character when they redid his origin for the film. It seems they're doing the same for Stark.
I also have to wonder about the politics of Hollywood with changes like this. Both charactrers, like many in the atomic heavy comics of the time, worked on weapons and weapons trading with the government. Of course such a thing is as taboo for a main character now as, say, having a gay main character was back in the 60s. It's really sad that they need to make changes like that.
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