Villians in the movie

[imported_demolition18]

Does anyone have any ideas on who should be the villains in the movie? I was thinking that there should be Circe, Aresia and Tsuki.

I would pick Sheri Moon for Aresia. Sheri Moon played Baby Firefly in House 1,000 Corpses (written and directed by Rob Zombie) and The Devil's Rejects (sequel to House of 1,000 Corpses). Sheri Moon is just one of those choices for playing Aresia and her husband is Rob Zombie.

For Circe Salma Hayek or Angelina Jolie.

For Tsuki I would pick Bai Ling.

I heard that Kim Basinger was a choice for the older Wonder Woman and the younger Wonder Woman Jessica Biel.

I had thoughts of those 3 women joining forces in eliminating the male gender and Wonder Woman has to stop it.

I was thinking that it should be Kim Basinger as Hippolyta and Jessica Biel as Diana the priness of Themescara.

Just reply here giving your thoughts on villians in the movie and who should play those villains.

[FireStormTrooper]

The whole "eliminating the male gender" idea gives the movie too much of a gender-war theme, plus raises unnecessary questions about sexuality that are best left out of what will be viewed as a family-friendly franchise. In other words, no overtly lesbian connotations. WW is about proving the sexes stand as equals, not one sex dominating the other.

Anyway, Circe strikes me as more of a sequel villian. The other two you mentioned ... I have no idea who they are. I think that a WW franchise should be planned as a potential trilogy. Meaning, start off with the classic arch-nemesis for the first movie, move on the next most well known for the second, and bring the most powerful for the the third.

Looking at Supes & Bats, their ideal trilogies would go like this ...

Supes I: Lex Luthor
Supes II: Brainiac
Supes III: Darkseid

Bats I: The Joker
Bats II: Two-Face
Bats III: Ra's al Ghul

Following that template, Wondy's trilogy could go like this ...

WW I : The Cheetah
WW II: Circe
WW III: Ares

So, for the first WONDER WOMAN movie, I would pit Diana against The Cheetah, with Milla Jovavich playing the roles of both Dr. Barbara Minerva and her bloodthirsty feline alter ego.

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[Richv1]

Or if we went with a more story of the gods maybe Hercules could invade and conquer Paradise Island.
I'd go with Cheeta first though so we could have a catfight.

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Richard Vasseur

[FireStormTrooper]

I think each WW movie (there should be more than one, hopefully), should feature several WW villians, but not together or in the same scenes. Kinda like how BATMAN BEGINS gives you Ra's al Ghul (Ken Watanbe) and later on The Scarecrow (Cillian Murphy) in the same movie.

For the first one, I'd like the Cheetah to be the main baddie, but leading up to that confrontation, Diana could deal with one of her other enemies early on ... like Giganta or Silver Swan.

[imported_demolition18]

I had my thougths on the villains.

Ares- Ian McDiarmid (plays Palpatine/Darth Sidious in the Star Wars films) or Michael York (he played Ares on the Justice League cartoon series) or Nick Nolte

Circe- I am not sure. Maybe Jennifer Garner or maybe Nia Peeples (she played in Half Past Dead and TV's Walker Texas Ranger as Ranger Cook)

[Electrasguy]

Cheetah I (Barbara Minerva): Lena Olin
Oscar nominated beauty Lena Olin exudes sexuality and mystery. Her feline appearance and sultry voice add to her mystique. Olin's portrayal of Alias' Irina Derevko exhibits the qualities of Barbara Minerva, the Cheetah. Olin lost the part of Catwoman in Batman Returns to Michelle Pfeiffer, however, there is no better choice to portray the feline femme fatale than Ms. Derevko!

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Irina Derevko was a long-term spy for the Soviet Union, assigned to marry Jack Bristow in order to get information from him, specifically concerning Project Christmas. Together they had a child, Sydney. A few years after her birth, Derevko disappeared, apparently dying in a car accident. At the end of the first season of Alias, it was revealed that Derevko was alive and well and was actually the leader of a criminal organization.

However, Derevko soon turned herself in to the CIA and was used as a source to help bring down SD-6, and also assisted with other important missions before eluding capture during a mission. Her subsequent whereabouts were unknown throughout season three, although she continued to be in occasional contact with Jack via e-mail, and arranged for her sister, Katya Derevko, to assist Jack and Sydney on occasion. It was also learned that Irina had an affair with Arvin Sloane and had a second daughter, Nadia Santos.

At the beginning of season four, it was revealed that Irina had hired a hit man to kill Sydney. Jack Bristow received permission from his superiors to execute Irina, and we learn in "Another Mr. Sloane" that he carried out the act himself. Sydney later identified Irina's body in a Moscow medical facility and arranged for her burial in a Moscow crypt.

The shooting of Irina occurred 18 months prior to the season finale of the fourth season and sometime prior to season three's finale, "Resurrection". The fourth season finale revealed that, in fact, a genetic modification procedure known as Helix (and introduced in the second season of Alias) was used to create a double of Irina, and it is this woman who Jack shot dead. Jack was set up by Irina's second sister, Elena Derevko, who used Helix on one of the followers of The Covenant; who had volunteered to be executed.

The real Irina was imprisoned by Elena and tortured for her knowledge of Rambaldi's secrets. After 18 months, she was finally rescued by her daughters Sydney and Nadia (whom she met for the first time since Nadia was a small child) and Jack. Although technically under arrest by the CIA, Irina was given permission to help stop Elena from bringing about her endgame. After the successful completion of the mission, Jack and Sydney allowed her to escape into the darkness rather than return to America and imprisonment, under the pretense that no one could hold on to Irina Derevko.

[FireStormTrooper]

Uhh ... thank you for that ALIAS recap? Not sure what that had to do w/ WW.

Anyway, I'd list a few worthy nemesiseses (err, forget spelling) for Diana

The Cheetah = classic arch-enemy (see Luthor, Joker)
Circe = historical foe w/ link to hero's past (see Brainiac, Two-Face)
Ares = powerful mastermind overlord (see Darkseid, Ra's al Ghul)
Medusa = twisted reflection (see Bizarro, Man-Bat)
Herakles = rogue rep. worse aspects of opposite sex (see Maxima, Poison Ivy)
Tiamat? = unstoppable threat (see Doomsday, Bane)

[WonderWomanGoddess]

Uhh ... thank you for that ALIAS recap? Not sure what that had to do w/ WW.

Anyway, I'd list a few worthy nemesiseses (err, forget spelling) for Diana

The Cheetah = classic arch-enemy (see Luthor, Joker)
Circe = historical foe w/ link to hero's past (see Brainiac, Two-Face)
Ares = powerful mastermind overlord (see Darkseid, Ra's al Ghul)
Medusa = twisted reflection (see Bizarro, Man-Bat)
Herakles = rogue rep. worse aspects of opposite sex (see Maxima, Poison Ivy)
Tiamat? = unstoppable threat (see Doomsday, Bane)

Yeah, I don't know why we needed that recap either. :? Also, she's way too old. No offense to her, but this is trilogy stuff. I want my cheetah, young so she can reappear if needed. And to me cheetah's casting MUST be perfect...Minerva's cold, calculating doctor transforming into the SAVAGE primal, lusty and smoldering hot Cheetah. Maybe, if she isn't too old, Peta Wilson. but that's just off the top of my head, I'll have to think more on this.

I like your enemy line up and how you compared it to the supes/bats villians, spot on.

[Pod]

I got a question on something because I really know nothing of WW's Villians. Is there a Venom type of villian to Wonder Woman? Like the Venom/Spidey connection? Also like the Bizarro/Superman thing. Because I guess that would work for a WW film, ya know. Well, maybe not for every superhero movie. Think if they actually did a Batman movie with Batzarro. :lol:

[WonderWomanGoddess]

Yes, there is such a character AND I HATE HER! :evil:


I hate her so much I can't recall her name, and she's not in the wiki. She was like ...devastation? destruction? something like that. I Hate her!

[FireStormTrooper]

There are some other villians in WW's rogues gallery that could be used as lesser villains / henchwomen in a WW trilogy.


Pan ... the mythical Man-Goat. A cosmic prankster, not friendly but not evil either. Similar to Mr. Mxypltlk or (ugh) Bat-Mite.

Dr. Cyber ... some kind of female cyborg. LOTS of potential there, esp w/ her being the antithesis of WW's mythical nature.

Giganta ... mainly remember her from SUPER FRIENDS. An amazon in just a leopard-print bikini that could enlarge herself to titanic proportions.

Baroness Paula von Gunther ... a blonde Nazi immortal. Not sure what her superhuman powers were (if any), but still, she's a Nazi! When are they NOT good villians??

That's all off the top of my head. More later if I can find them.

[rainbeaux]

:cry: Sorry to burst your bubble guys but Joss Whedon said he's not going to use any villains from WW rogue gallery. He's pretty much making up his own from what I read so we'll have to see if his script gets approved by the studios.

[FireStormTrooper]

Well, here's hoping that someone on the WB studio board is a WW fan and tells Whedon to put some more established characters in the script. Honestly, it's not like the Cheetah, Circe or Ares can't be made into compelling characters in the right director's hands ... which makes one begin to wonder (no pun intended) if Whedon is in fact "the right director". Maybe he's not as good at adapting material as he is with his own stuff (FIREFLY, SERENITY) ... which could spell trouble for a WW film. I don't want Wonder Woman's nemesis to be named Global Warming.

[FireStormTrooper]

A quick rundown of Wonder Woman's rogues gallery, many of whom could be used in some capacity in a WW movie franchise

WONDER WOMAN's TOP 10 ROGUES GALLERY

1. The Cheetah (superhuman)
2. Circe (greek sorcoress)
3. Ares (greek god of war)
4. The Baroness, a.k.a. Paula von Gunther (nazi immortal)
5. Doctor Cyber (female cyborg)
6. Giganta (criminal giantess)
7. Herakles (greek demigod of strength, male chauvinist)
8. Medusa (greek monster)
9. Hel (norse goddess of death)
10. Tiamat (babylonian mother goddess)

That's a good list, I think. Now I also think that in the proper hands, any one of these fine characters can be remade into awesome examples of villany on par with the other great heroes' rogues (ok, maybe not quite like the Joker or Lex Luthor, but at least as good as everyone else). In fact, I hear the new WW comic book is starting on this as we speak.

What say you, ye few who careth about yon topic?

[The Symbiot]

^^^^ That's the reason why he won't use any villain from the WWRG, because most of them are some sort of god from greek mythos. Sorry to say, but that just doesn't translate well. This film would get as cheesy as the batman films minus the first one and the last one.

[FireStormTrooper]

You think having the mythological gods as enemies would MAKE Wonder Woman cheesy? Have you never seen her outfit? That's the essence of cheese(cake) right there. Or Brando as Jor-El in SUPERMAN I? Don't you realize that over-the-top characters like Superman and Wonder Woman ALWAYS run the risk of being cheesy? They're never very far from the edge of unbelievability as it is.

The mythic gods and monsters are anything but cheesy, and would make excellent and appropriate on-screen enemies for Diana. Who is Whedon going to use as the heavy instead? Some chauvinistic businessman? Blecch. Been there, done that. The gods of old walking the modern world,on the other hand, has never been done before and could be awesome if done right.

I'm starting to have some serious doubts about Whedon as choice for director now ...

[The Symbiot]

You think having the mythological gods as enemies would MAKE Wonder Woman cheesy? Have you never seen her outfit? That's the essence of cheese(cake) right there. Or Brando as Jor-El in SUPERMAN I? Don't you realize that over-the-top characters like Superman and Wonder Woman ALWAYS run the risk of being cheesy? They're never very far from the edge of unbelievability as it is.

As a matter of fact... YES! I think I already answered that. :? Now, you can not compare, what at that time was not concidered cheesy in 1978, Brando's Jor-El to todays more realistic and more of a serious tone. I'm sorry bud, but todays tone is not the same as thirty years ago. Now lets not just put this potential cheesy pizza on just WW & Supes... minus Batman, the whole DC world is made up of exactly that... unbelievable characters in an unrealistic alternative Earth. Lets face it, DC is like Marvel's "What If" series... that's the problem with converting some of DC Comics core superheros into Films. The Batman reallity is more sucessful, because of its more realistic nature and villains... not these gods(greek mythos), era driven(nazis), galactic(supes best villains), and omnipotent villains from a fantacy existence that has to be tricked into saying his name backwards. :shock: OMG!



The mythic gods and monsters are anything but cheesy, and would make excellent and appropriate on-screen enemies for Diana. Who is Whedon going to use as the heavy instead? Some chauvinistic businessman? Blecch. Been there, done that.

I agree... they would be appropriate for Diana. No suprise there, they are her villains... DAH! However, that does not stop it from being a bad cheesy idea for a real live motion picture on the silver screen. I know you don't see it the way I and quite frankly, a lot of other people see it, but that's OK. This is the reason obviously, Wheldon(who see it the way we do :wink: ) is creating a new villain for this film, who would fit the time, seriousness, and more realistic genre we live in, in this more modern era. Do I agree with it? At this point, I simply cannot say, until we get a helluva lot more info on his vision and direction he's going.

Now, with the advancement and knowledge of genetics, DNA splicing, and nano technology, Cheetah IMO, would be a great adversary to WW, because one can easily understand and ACCEPT her origin. But hey...... that's just me. :roll:



The gods of old walking the modern world,on the other hand, has never been done before and could be awesome if done right.

I'm starting to have some serious doubts about Whedon as choice for director now ...

Now, that sounds good, but it still would be somewhat cheetohs. See how cheesy that was, and I was at my most seriousness, when I said that. Seriously, it would make it more compelling, but still a little less cheesy than, lets say, "Ghostbusters". However, let me one up you on your final thought. I have serious doubts about making WW the Movie in the first place. I understand they need a female to rise to the occasion... did I just say that. Well, she is the most well known; Electra for damn sure couldn't do it.... I did it again. :oops: