Adapting Wonder Woman To A Movie Franchise [Archive] - Mania Forums - Science Fiction, Fantasy, and Horror Entertainment

FireStormTrooper

07-30-2004, 02:07 PM

OK, since WB unfortunately owns the entire DC stable of possible movie franchises, it looks like the same morons who have handicapped Superman for 11 years now are having the same problems with Wonder Woman. I don't understand what's so difficult. I mean, look at the factors that go into greenlighting a movie ...

1. Audience Interest. C'mon. This is frickin' Wonder Woman! The most famous female hero in all of modern fiction! You can't tell me there's a market for stuff TOMB RAIDER and CHARLIE'S ANGELS, but there isn't one for WONDER WOMAN. People will come (but only if it's NOT campy).

2. Actor interest. The list of actresses that voiced their desire to play Diana is pretty long. Any actress who does this role is due for a generous payday and instant recognition.

3. Comic book origins. Let's face it, X-MEN and SPIDER-MAN re-affirmed the genre's ability to produce blockbusters for studios, provided they're done with care and respect for the source material. This should be a no-brainer.

4. Unique story. Take the best elements of Richard Donner's SUPERMAN and mix it up with the mythic elements of Roberto Guillermo's HELLBOY. Add a dose of female empowerment (but don't hit us over the head with it).

I don't what producer Joel Silver is waiting for. If it's ideas, I've got some. I know others do too.

WONDER WOMAN's theme should be "Mythology in the Modern World". The Gods among us, interacting and interloping with humanity's destiny. Wonder Woman's job should be to strike a balance between having the Modern world remember the Gods and keeping the Gods from wrecking the Modern World.

Candidates for Diana would include ...

Charlize Theron (MONSTER, THE ASTRONAUT'S WIFE, AEON FLUX). She's already won an Oscar, is doing physical action work for the upcoming Aeon Flux movie, is beautiful and has explicitly expressed in the role. She's 29 but looks about 5 years younger. Dye her hair black and she's my top choice.

Milla Jovavich (RESIDENT EVIL, FIFTH ELEMENT, THE MESSENGER). She's tall, beautiful, can do physical action scenes with ease, looks like an imposing but feminine goddess. Bonus, could also play The Cheetah. Actually, she's my top choice for Barbara Minerva's cat-like alter ego.

Catherine Zeta-Jones (TRAFFIC, CHICAGO, ENTRAPMENT). A few years ago, she was hands down the #1 choice for the role. Now's she probably just a wee bit too old but still a serious contender, especially if the other two choices don't pan out. Could play the role of Circe as a consolation prize, tho.

Nicole Kidman (THE OTHERS, COLD MOUNTAIN, STEPFORD WIVES). Like Zeta-Jones, a few years ago, would have been perfect with a dye job. Has the regal bearing of an Amazon, haven't seen her in very demanding phsyical roles. Would make an excellent Nazi Baroness Paula von Gunther.

... actually ... that's a pretty good list right there for a WW franchise ...

WONDER WOMAN starring CHARLIZE THERON as Diana and MILLA JOVAVICH as The Cheetah ... or CATHERINE ZETA-JONES as Circe ... or NICOLE KIDMAN as Baronness Paula von Gunther.

What fo you think?

bottleHeD

07-31-2004, 04:00 PM

Good casting, but i dont find this character the least bit interesting.

If it's made, i'll watch it. If it isnt, there's always something else.

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kidcomix

08-06-2004, 01:58 PM

Charlize may very well pull of being WW but my hopes are still for Jennifer Connelly. She still looks young. Mia Krishner, she's got the body. If they want something with a more exotic look. Definitely, Monica Bellaluci just give her some blue contacts and she's the Amazon princess. My pick for Hippolyta would be Catherine Zeta Jones and add in a plotline involving an epic war with Ares. Boom a movie is made.

brokenstatue2001

08-07-2004, 01:30 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by FireStormTrooper:


4. Unique story. Take the best elements of Richard Donner's SUPERMAN and mix it up with the mythic elements of Roberto Guillermo's HELLBOY. Add a dose of female empowerment (but don't hit us over the head with it).

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The guy's name is Guillermo Del Toro. Not Roberto Guillermo.

And, yes, I could definately see a Wonder Woman movie. (My top two are Eva Mendes and Peta Wilson.) However seeing as how WB as of lately are mistreating their DC properties Batman & Robin and Catwoman (I ain't judging Constantine, yet)), I hope that Batman Begins and the new Superman movies are a step in the right direction for them.

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norrinraad

08-08-2004, 01:33 PM

I have a feeling that a Wonder Woman film will probably be green lit after the two main franchises get off the ground again. Both Batman begins and Superman 5 are in good hands and the box office success of both seems guaranteed (even Batman & Robin made over $100 million back in '97) so hopefully Wonder Woman will be next on the schedule at Warner Brothers. It seems silly not to make it, because another blockbuster franchise could come from this character with a little care and attention.

FireStormTrooper

08-26-2004, 08:51 AM

The problem with WONDER WOMAN is that there are SO many ways to screw it up and only a few ways to do it right (tho that could be said of any movie, I guess). The wrong actress, the wrong script, the wrong director, the wrong producer. The list goes on.

Last I heard, Joel Silver (The MATRIX trilogy, the LETHAL WEAPON franchise) was still attached as producer of WB's WW franchise. He's not a bad choice at all for producer, IMHO.

As far as casting for a WW multi-movie franchise goes, I stand by my lineup of Charlize Theron as Diana, Milla Jovavich as the Cheetah, Catherine Zeta-Jones as Circe, Nicole Kidman as the Baronness Paula von Gunther (and Christopher Walken as the Greek god of war Ares).

So that's my take of the cast. But what about the crew? In particular, who would be especially adept at bringing WW to life on the big screen? Any ideas on a director?

MilleniumBum

08-31-2004, 05:07 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by FireStormTrooper:
So that's my take of the cast. But what about the crew? In particular, who would be especially adept at bringing WW to life on the big screen? Any ideas on a director?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

what about chris columbus? i think his sense of grandeur would fit a movie of this caliber and concept. but please please PLEASE kill joel schumacher if he goes near this project!

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FireStormTrooper

08-31-2004, 01:00 PM

I like the idea of Chris Colombus. He's proven he can do magic in the modern world and make it believable with the first two HARRY POTTER films. I wonder if he may be burned out or tired of the genre. Hopefully not.

Of course Peter Jackson would be great as well, but then, he's on a lot of c2f's wish list after the success of the LOTR trilogy. Any female directors out there that would be good with a WW feature film?

Znluvx

09-01-2004, 10:22 AM

I don't know about anyone else, but personally I'd like to see Linda Carter cast as Hippolyta. It would bring things full circle having the original WW play the Amazon Queen.

MilleniumBum

09-04-2004, 02:33 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by FireStormTrooper:
Any female directors out there that would be good with a WW feature film?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

personally i'd like a female scriptwriter with a strong sense of female empowerment and mythology. the one who worked on birds of prey (gail simone?) would probably do the story some justice. as for female directors, i'm not really familiar with the whole gamut of directors. unless any movie credit can be cited.

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FireStormTrooper

09-08-2004, 10:00 AM

As far as female directors go, I'm only familiar with a couple.

I know Penny Marshall has directed a fair amount of movies (BIG with Tom Hanks, A LEAGUE OF THEIR OWN with Geena Davis, THE PREACHER'S WIFE with Denzel Washington, RIDING IN CARS WITH BOYS with Winona Ryder). She has pretty good experience dealing with stars.

I like Mira Noir's work (MISSISSIPPI MASALA with Denzel, KAMA SUTRA, MONSOON WEDDING, VANITY FAIR with Reese Witherspoon). She could give the WW a more appropriate international feel / viewpoint.

rayray2021

09-09-2004, 05:53 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by FireStormTrooper:
RIDING IN CARS WITH BOYS with Winona Ryder).<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Riding in Cars with Boys is with Drew Barrymore, not Winona Ryder. Just to let you know!

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Captain Sigma

09-16-2004, 06:55 AM

Well, I still say Tiffany Taylor (with blue contacts, of course) would make a great Diana.

I also like the lady who portrayed Wonder Woman at the NASCAR events (does anyone know who she is? Is she available for other events?). She was really tall (or those race car drivers were really short).

My next choice would be Krista Allen. She's hot!!! And she would make a kick ass Diana!!!

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Znluvx

09-29-2004, 08:14 AM

I'm sure this doesn't belong on this thread, BUT, did anyone see Heather Graham on Scrubs lastnight in that WonderWoman outfit?
VA-VA-VOOM!!!

Captain Sigma

10-03-2004, 11:13 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Znluvx:
I'm sure this doesn't belong on this thread, BUT, did anyone see Heather Graham on Scrubs lastnight in that WonderWoman outfit?
VA-VA-VOOM!!!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

And might I add HUMMA HUMMA!!!!!

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yas3r

10-03-2004, 01:05 PM

i believe you meant hummana hummana.

Anyway, i like the idea of a wonderwoman movie. The comic, however doesnt have the strong following/villains/characters that the other big screeners (Bats/The X's/that darn wall-crawler).

The only way that a studio could get the punters into the screens would be to appeal to the charlies angels crowd but with one huge addition....

Wonder Woman would have to be played by the ULTIMATE hottie. This is a girl-power, busty, men-as-doofus-bad guys, sexy one-liners and cheeky side-of-boob-flashes-in-the-oblivious-shower-scene franchis waiting to happen.

It wouldnt bear much resemblance to the highly powerful, dignified and respectful wonderwoman of the comics....but would be the stuff of wet dreams for the current generation of teeny-boppers.

Would you guys be able to deal with that? Cos that is the only way it could be made and make a few pennies back...

norrinraad

10-04-2004, 12:02 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by yas3r:
Wonder Woman would have to be played by the ULTIMATE hottie. This is a girl-power, busty, men-as-doofus-bad guys, sexy one-liners and cheeky side-of-boob-flashes-in-the-oblivious-shower-scene franchis waiting to happen.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hollywood tried this approach already, with the Charlie's Angels films (as you mentioned) and to a lesser extent with the Laura Croft films. I don't think it's coincidence that both of the sequels to these films under-performed. This whole tongue-in-cheek, glorified peep show, jiggle fest thing gets old really fast. It may be amusing in small doses but as history has shown us, you can't build a strong franchise around it.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by yas3r:
It wouldnt bear much resemblance to the highly powerful, dignified and respectful wonderwoman of the comics....<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Now you're on the right track! This is the Wonder Woman I know, and if there is going to be a franchise it should be done properly. And I'm not so sure there isn't an audience for this version of the character. When you think about it, when was the last time teen and pre-teen girls had a good, strong, big screen role model? The boys have Spidey, Wolverine, The Rock, Vin Diesel, et al, but what about the girls?

At the core of the Wonder Woman mythos are ideas of peace, harmony, and equality, and this is what I want to see on the big screen. Save the peep show and men-are-idiots thing for Drew Barrymore's production company. Wonder Woman is too intelligent a character to rely on these cinematic cliches.

yas3r

10-04-2004, 08:05 AM

I agree, and in a perfect world that is what would happen.

It isnt a perfect world-it'l be shannon elizabeth....or eliza dushku...if we're lucky?

girls arent interested in the peace and dignity of wonder woman, not in this day and age.
Besides the studio sees a female character...sees that they may have trouble gettin guys in, so make her hot.

Look at Susan Storm, Storm/mystique in x-men, etc.

The only thing that is in favour of a more faithful approach is that catwoman burned the whole 'hottie with attitude' movement.

I personally think though, she is a goddess-and that should play a big part in the casting.

yas3r

10-04-2004, 08:12 AM

Oh may i just quickly add. Someone who has the look, the age, the power and is totally stunning in every way.

Monica Belluci...i wont hear anything else, shes not a girly, she can give a powerful performance (forget those pathetic matwits films-think irreversible) and she looks the part.

thats it...not another word.

rayray2021

10-09-2004, 04:07 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by yas3r:
Oh may i just quickly add. Someone who has the look, the age, the power and is totally stunning in every way.

Monica Belluci...i wont hear anything else, shes not a girly, she can give a powerful performance (forget those pathetic matwits films-think irreversible) and she looks the part.

thats it...not another word.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, I DO have another word for you. She is beautiful and exotic, but Monica is too old for the part. She's 36. WW is not even that old in the comics! She was about 19-20 when she left Themyscira, and according to the comics, she hasn't even been around a decade! I would go with a stunningly beautiful, hopefully foreign, unknown for the part.

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FireStormTrooper

10-13-2004, 12:16 PM

I say for a WONDER WOMAN franchise to succeed, the casting is absolutely crucial (second only to the scripting). My vote for Diana is Charlize Theron, who's got it all: an Best Actress Oscar (for MONSTER), an amazing athletic body (MIGHTY JOE YOUNG), a beautiful face (LEGEND OF BAGGER VANCE) and an overall commanding presence. If not her, then definitely go with an unknown actress.

I think a WW movie should mimic the design of the original SUPERMAN movie starring the late http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/frown.gif Christopher Reeve: First Act is the setup of Olympus and Themyscria, Second Act is Wonder Woman's debut in Man's World, Third Act is Wonder Woman's climatic battle with The Cheetah.

And the Cheetah cannot be another Catwoman. Yes, they're both feline females, but that's where the similarities end. The Cheetah will savagely murder anyone without batting an eyelash and is not the least bit interested in jewelry. She is totally raw, nothing glamourous about her. Milla Jovavich (RESIDENT EVIL, FIFTH ELEMENT) is still my first choice for this monster.

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LatteLady

10-15-2004, 01:59 PM

"Charlize may very well pull of being WW but my hopes are still for Jennifer Connelly."

I completely agree...Jennifer Connelly would be perfect for this role. I would watch Wonderwoman if it became a movie.

FireStormTrooper

10-18-2004, 12:37 PM

Jennifer Connelly was born 12th December 1970. That makes her 33 years old, right now, 34 years old before 2005. The WONDER WOMAN movie is at least a full year away from production, probably more like three years. She would be over 35 years old by the time they started filming. She's a beautiful, intelligent actress.

But. She's. Too. Old.

Actually, Charlize Theron (born 7th August 1975) would be pushing the age limit for Diana in a couple years too. She'll be 30 next year.

Probably best to go with an tall, beautiful, intelligent and unknown actress who would be about 21-23 years old now, but would be in her mid 20s by the time production started.

yas3r

10-19-2004, 07:12 PM

charlize theron is a good candidate....but belluci for kingdom come (yeah baby).

The problem here lies in 'when studios get burned' - catwoman would have tested their resolve. There was a character who had the benefit of a very impressive screen portrayal in Returns.

WW doesnt have that and the flopping of said film, may realistically put back the chances of this taking off.

On the other hand, it left a gap for something to improve on, and the only way IS up (plus i have a few misguided friends who actually recommend the movie to me).

The chances will improve depending on the successes of 'Aeon Flux', 'Bloodrayne', 'blade 3-due to biels huge presence'.

MaidenRaine1300

10-21-2004, 09:50 PM

I actually think that Jennifer Connelly would be a terrific Wonder Woman. She doesn't look like she is almost 34, and she is my second pick to play the heronine anyways.

My first pick is and will always be Nadia Bjorlin. She has the thick dark beautiful locks and eyes that just pop out at you just like Lynda Carter's did. Even though I think that no one could do Wonder Woman quite as good as she did, I am certain that Nadia would do it wonderfully if given the oppertunity.

I do like the idea of Lynda Carter playing Wonder Woman's mom, I think that is brillant!

~MaidenRaine1300~

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The Xenos

10-22-2004, 05:09 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by yas3r:
The chances will improve depending on the successes of 'Aeon Flux', 'Bloodrayne', 'blade 3-due to biels huge presence'.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That really doesn't make much sense to me, but in Hollywood logic, I guess it works perfectly. Ugh.

-Xenos

Zac

10-22-2004, 06:06 AM

Let's get off casting and talk more about how to adapt the comic to a movie, there are other threads for casting.

FireStormTrooper

10-22-2004, 10:25 AM

OK, here's what you do to adapt a WW film: Establish what WONDER WOMAN would be as a movie and what it would not be. To demonstrate ...

+ WW would be like the first two SUPERMAN and SPIDER-MAN movies, where a relative unknown was cast in the heroic lead role (Reeve, Maguire), aided onscreen by more accomplished villianous co-stars (Hackman, Dafoe)

- WW would NOT be like the TOMB RAIDER or CHARLIE'S ANGELS franchises. Those series relied far too much on sex appeal, star power and big explosions but far too little on characterization, dialogue and storytelling.

+ WW would be an origin story so the mythical background would have to be established in the first act of the movie. Show Olympus and the Greek gods, show Themyscria, show the Contest and the bestowing of supernatural powers, all before we even get to Diana's debut as Wonder Woman.

- WW would NOT be about showing how all men are cruel and dumb and weak or can't stand a strong woman. In other words: no emphasis on male-bashing in the name of grrl-power. Don't ignore that men HAVE mistreated women, but don't club the audience over the head with it.

+ WW would have to be unique from SUPERMAN and BATMAN and SPIDER-MAN in the movie's embrace of all things mystical and mythical. The plot should be predicated on the whole "magic in the modern world" premise a la HARRY POTTER (or better yet, Neil Gaiman's SANDMAN comic book series).

- Not everything about the WW mythos is sacred. Many things can (and most likely, will) be altered: anything from her costume to some parts of her origin is fair game. Batman's costume went from blue and grey to a more appropriate all-black for the movie. WW's may likewise take a more mythic appearance. Unlike Superman, her costume HAS changed many times over her 60+ years.

+ WW has to be an interesting role model. Yes, she knows how to fight, and fight well. But that's not her first resort. She walks the line between war and peace, same as Batman walks the line between logic and obsession, same as Superman walks the line between human and alien.

All this is just for starters ...

norrinraad

10-22-2004, 03:44 PM

Great post! If any Hollywood producers are reading this, this is the way it should be done.

The only thing I could possibly add is that Diana needs to have a timeless quality about her. That's why I would be inclined to go with an older actress who could pass for younger. Someone around the age of 30 would be ideal.

FireStormTrooper

10-27-2004, 01:29 PM

Another thing for a WW film franchise would be to at structure it as a trilogy (at least loosely) from the get-go. An example of how a WONDER WOMAN trilogy could be set up ...

WONDER WOMAN = First act is 40 minutes of origin. For some reason, many of the old mythic pantheons are awakening from a long slumber to the modern world, which has long since moved past them. Their powers are nothing like they once were, with virtually no one believing in them. The Greek, Roman, Norse, Babylonian, Aztec, African, East Asian gods react to their diminished status differently. The Greek gods decide to send an ambassador from their only remaining followers, the Amazons on Themyscria, in increase global awareness of their existence (and therefore their power). A contest is held and Diana wins. Upon winning, she is transformed into a demi-goddess with powers and abilities far beyond those of normal Amazons. All the gods grant her somthing, except Ares, who is not seen or even heard in the first WW, just mentioned by name.
Second act is 40 minutes of Diana debuting in Man's World and getting used to it. You know, saving people, meeting the press, learning English, making friends and political enemies. Introduce Steve Trevor as the love interest (face it, purists: Hollywood will INSIST on this). Back story on Barbara Minerva and how she becomes the Cheetah. Final act is all about Wonder Woman vs. The Cheetah. Catfight to end all catfights that demolishes buildings and such. End with Wonder Woman being given the choice to return to Themsycria (at her mother's emotional request) or staying in Man's World and continue her work. She chooses the latter. End credits.

WW II: Gets more mythological and introduces the sorceress Circe as the main villian, who obeys an unseen master whose voice is heard for the first time in the sequel - Ares.

WW III: Ares is revealed as the mastermind behind the entire trilogy and plunges the world to the brink of a new world war.

Then, the obligatory WONDER WOMAN TRILOGY DVD boxed set with 24 hours of bonus features! http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/tongue.gif

Captain Sigma

11-01-2004, 09:26 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by yas3r:
i believe you meant hummana hummana...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I MEANT HUMMA HUMMA, NOT HUMMANA HUMMANA! And not to be confused with HUBANA HUBANA! http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/wink.gif

Sorry.

I have a question: What era should the movie be set in? One of the things that work for the first season of the television show is that it was set in the 40s during WWII. As great as the updated 70s version (and as great as Lynda Carter's costume was [humma humma]) it lost it's credibility when it went disco.

I think the same way Tim Burton fused time in 'Batman' would be so ideal for Wonder Woman so it would repeat was already done, but to pay homage to it.
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FireStormTrooper

11-03-2004, 09:15 AM

I totally think that the iconic superheroes (i.e. Supes, Bats, Spidey, WW) should be portrayed as contemporary. SUPERMAN: THE MOVIE was great, even though most of it was set in the then-current-day 1978. It takes nothing away from the viewing experience for me, and in fact, serves as a minor history lesson on how pop culture was at the time. Likewise, BATMAN is very much set in 1989, though the cars and the men were dressed like it still was 1939. This took away from the viewing experience, because it seemed like a fake world. SUPERMAN seemed like it was taking place in the real world. BATMAN seemed like it was taking place in a weird Tim Burton world.

I'd prefer WONDER WOMAN to go the SUPERMAN and firmly take place in whatever year it is released in, as SUPERMAN and SPIDER-MAN were. World War II is the past. Of all the major superheroes, only Captain America has any reason to linger there. Real iconic comic book characters adapt with the times. Otherwise they lose their relevancy.

MilleniumBum

11-09-2004, 06:21 AM

i agree that any WW movie should be done in the present time. and it would also be great if it concentrated on the perez version for the perfect mix of mythology, plot and one helluva detailed origin story. some aspects may seem silly to the people unfamiliar with the character. but perez eliminated that and made greek mythology cool again. i would nominate a treatment akin to LOTR for the mythological aspects.

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trapdinsteel

11-09-2004, 11:05 AM

Has anyone ever heard of Kelly Brook?, well if not, do yourself the favor of going to google, selecting an image search and type in her name. Besides the fact that she is just plain smoking hot, she's got the age, physical measurements, beauty, and enough acting backround to show that she is talented but is still quite and unknown in the US. I believe she is big in Britain because thats where she is from but anyway let me know what you think.

Zac

11-09-2004, 12:49 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by trapdinsteel:
Has anyone ever heard of Kelly Brook?, well if not, do yourself the favor of going to google, selecting an image search and type in her name. Besides the fact that she is just plain smoking hot, she's got the age, physical measurements, beauty, and enough acting backround to show that she is talented but is still quite and unknown in the US. I believe she is big in Britain because thats where she is from but anyway let me know what you think.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

People unfamilar may remember her as Lex's British girlfriend from either season 1 or 2 of Smallville. She's the one that got attacked by the invisable girl. And no, I cannot see her as Diana at all.

Znluvx

11-09-2004, 01:22 PM

Personally, I see a Wonder Woman film as "Xena in the modern world." It would take the inherent fantasy stuff (the Greek mythology) and mix it with the reality of this world, or better yet, when worlds collide.

and speaking of Xena aka Lucy Lawless, what role if any should she have in a WW film?
Obviously she would have been a perfect fit for the title character given her Warrior Princess past. I wouldn't mind seeing her as Hera, or even better Circe.

MilleniumBum

11-10-2004, 04:21 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Znluvx:
and speaking of Xena aka Lucy Lawless, what role if any should she have in a WW film?
Obviously she would have been a perfect fit for the title character given her Warrior Princess past. I wouldn't mind seeing her as Hera, or even better Circe.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

i'd love to see lucy lawless as artemis and/or cheetah. she's got that aura of viciousness that's not negative at all. plus she fits artemis' profile perfectly. for me anyway. http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/biggrin.gif

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FireStormTrooper

11-10-2004, 10:30 AM

I think Lucy Lawless would make a terrible Wonder Woman. She's MUCH too butch. I could see her as Artemis or the Cheetah, but I hope they stay away from her entirely for this movie. People will automatically think XENA as soon as she shows up in any role in the flick, and WONDER WOMAN needs to be its own entity, not "Xena In The Modern World". I say, find an unknown for Diana and cast more famous actors around her. Lucy Lawless belongs too much to another fantasy franchise to be considered for this movie, IMHO.

kidcomix

11-10-2004, 02:05 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by FireStormTrooper:
I think Lucy Lawless would make a terrible Wonder Woman. She's MUCH too butch. I could see her as Artemis or the Cheetah, but I hope they stay away from her entirely for this movie. People will automatically think XENA as soon as she shows up in any role in the flick, and WONDER WOMAN needs to be its own entity, not "Xena In The Modern World". I say, find an unknown for Diana and cast more famous actors around her. Lucy Lawless belongs too much to another fantasy franchise to be considered for this movie, IMHO.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I completely agree with you Fire. The casting of WW should be an unknown actress (preferably one that can act and not because of her breast implants), thrown in with Greek mythos, and possible cameo appearances (Lucy Lawless and Lynda Carter as examples). But more importantly than casting, the script must be superb and true to the WW story. Oh and for you Xena trivia fans, there was talk of a Xena spin-off, possibly a modern day Xena (I always thought her daughter Eve/Livia would have been the focus) but is was scrapped.

FireStormTrooper

11-16-2004, 09:58 AM

Having a good rogues gallery is very important to being a good superhero. Let's look at some lists ...

SUPERMAN = Lex Luthor, Brainiac, Metallo, Bizarro, Mr. Mxypltk, Darkseid, Doomsday, Maxima, The Parasite, General Zod, Blaze, Gog, The Eradicator, The Toyman, Cerberus

THE BATMAN = The Joker, The Scarecrow, Two-Face, The Man-Bat, The Riddler, Ra's al Ghul, Bane, Poison Ivy, Killer Croc, Mr. Freeze, Lady Shiva, Prometheus, The Penguin, The Ventriloquist/Scarface, Clayface

SPIDER-MAN = The Green Goblin, Dr. Octopus, Kraven the Hunter, The Lizard, The Scorpion, Venom, Carnage, The Hobgoblin, The Shocker, The Sandman, The Vulture, Mysterio, Morbius, The Puma, Tombstone

Now, WW has a fair amount of villains herself, the problem is that none of them have the exposure. Here are some of the more noteworthier ones ...

WONDER WOMAN = The Cheetah, Circe, Baroness Paula von Gunther, Giganta, Ares, Dr. Cyber, Dr. Psycho, The Silver Swan, Medusa, Herakles ... I'm sure there are more but those are the only ones that come to mind. Does anyone else know of any more WW villans? Especially those that would translate well onscreen?

MilleniumBum

11-28-2004, 11:32 AM

some of the classic WW villains have had airtime recently in the justice league series: cheetah, circe, ares, giganta. i'm torn over their depictions especially ares.

circe and cheetah would be my top choices for the movie's main antagonist (at least in the first film) and then move over to ares. the silver swan may translate well into film if done right, as well as dr. psycho. i'd love to see decay or some of ares' children in the mix, like the gods of gotham storyline.

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FireStormTrooper

11-29-2004, 11:45 AM

Can anyone post pictures of what these villians currently look like? I know what the Cheetah and Circe and Ares look like in the comics, but the others I'm drawing a blank on? Anyone know where I can find recent pics or drawings?

MilleniumBum

12-06-2004, 12:07 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by FireStormTrooper:
Can anyone post pictures of what these villians currently look like? I know what the Cheetah and Circe and Ares look like in the comics, but the others I'm drawing a blank on? Anyone know where I can find recent pics or drawings?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

i don't have any pics but i know most of these villains showed up in phil jimenez's run on the book. angle man was seen almost as a supporting character towards the end of jimenez's stint. dr. psycho was in rucka's "down to earth" with full facial hair, making him look more menacing. giganta showed up as her true giant woman self (not gorilla) in the "witch and the warrior" arc and showed up later on in the series. ares' children possessed the batman rogues in god of gotham.

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FireStormTrooper

12-13-2004, 12:46 PM

OK, the way I see it, always plan for a trilogy when doing a c2f. Don't throw all the your great storylines together for one movie. Case in point: DAREDEVIL. The Kingpin, Elektra and BullsEye could each have had a DD movie centered on them. That's a trilogy right there. Instead we got too many major characters to keep track of and virtually nothing left for sequels (ok, so there's Typhoid Mary and Mr. Hyde, but these guys are lightweights compared to the first three villians).

What does this have to do with WONDER WOMAN? Spacing. Don't throw The Cheetah and Circe and Ares into the mix, all for the first movie. Those are her three biggest foes and each deserve their own turn in the spotlight. The Cheetah is the classic arch-nemesis (like Lex Luthor or the Joker for Supes & Bats), use her for the first movie. Circe is the next most high-profile rogue (similar to Brianiac and Two-Face). And Ares is the biggest and baddest of the bunch (like Darkseid and Ra's al Ghul), save him for last.

That's not to say that these are the only villians that can be in a WW trilogy. But if a trilogy can be compared to a great three-act play, Act I would be WW's intro and first major supervillian, Act II's villain would be more tied to her origins and more powerful to boot, and Act III would be the ultimate battle with the stakes as high as they can go.

kidcomix

12-13-2004, 03:13 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by FireStormTrooper:
OK, the way I see it, always plan for a trilogy when doing a c2f. Don't throw all the your great storylines together for one movie. What does this have to do with WONDER WOMAN? Spacing. That's not to say that these are the only villians that can be in a WW trilogy. But if a trilogy can be compared to a great three-act play, Act I would be WW's intro and first major supervillian, Act II's villain would be more tied to her origins and more powerful to boot, and Act III would be the ultimate battle with the stakes as high as they can go.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Good idea. Now only if Hollywood will accept it.

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cyco1973

12-16-2004, 12:52 PM

What I don't get is that Warner Brothers does a pretty decent job with all of the cartoons that they put on the air...Teen Titans, Batman, Superman, JLA...all pretty darn good w/ memorable believable characters complete w/ flaws and problems. The WW from JLA (and recently unlimited) has an awesome personality that would port well to a movie franchise (at least the first couple of movies possibly softening a little for later movies). Anyways...I started rambling sorry, my point is why can WB do a pretty spot on job w/ animation but SUCK so badly on movie adaptations of comics. Granted it's been a little while since I read comics w/ any zeal, but even if there are some liberties taken in the purty pictures on TV I don't mind...they are fun and that's what all of this is about... Catwoman, the later Batman movies... the Flash TV show... Birds of Prey... all BAD... I hope they can give the dignity and respect that WW deserves. There Campy approach to live action just doesn't work.

kidcomix

12-16-2004, 01:33 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by cyco1973:
What I don't get is that Warner Brothers does a pretty decent job with all of the cartoons that they put on the air...Teen Titans, Batman, Superman, JLA...all pretty darn good w/ memorable believable characters complete w/ flaws and problems. The WW from JLA (and recently unlimited) has an awesome personality that would port well to a movie franchise (at least the first couple of movies possibly softening a little for later movies). Anyways...I started rambling sorry, my point is why can WB do a pretty spot on job w/ animation but SUCK so badly on movie adaptations of comics. Granted it's been a little while since I read comics w/ any zeal, but even if there are some liberties taken in the purty pictures on TV I don't mind...they are fun and that's what all of this is about... Catwoman, the later Batman movies... the Flash TV show... Birds of Prey... all BAD... I hope they can give the dignity and respect that WW deserves. There Campy approach to live action just doesn't work.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It has always come to my understanding that when money talks, comic book respectablity walks.

FireStormTrooper

12-20-2004, 10:42 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>
BUFFY STARS BATTLE OVER WONDER WOMAN ROLE

Ex-BUFFY stars SARAH MICHELLE GELLAR and CHARISMA CARPENTER are allegedly competing for the lead role in forthcoming superhero movie WONDER WOMAN.

The actresses - who played BUFFY SUMMERS and CORDELIA CHASE in the hit TV series - are battling for the iconic role after their former boss, JOSS WHEDON, agreed to direct the movie remake of the 70s television show, reports British newspaper the DAILY RECORD.

An insider says, "Joss has told the studio that Sarah is his first choice followed by Charisma. Sarah expressed an interest, but the producers are more interested in Charisma because she is less well known."
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I hope they go with Charisma Carpenter over Sarah Michelle Gellar as 1. SMG is too well-known as Buffy and 2. SMG looks nothing like Diana (or Daffney, for that matter).

Would Charisma Carpenter qualify as an unknown? What else has she been in?

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Znluvx

12-20-2004, 11:03 AM

I don't know if I like either of these starlets for the role of the Amazon Princess.
Personally when I think of an amazon warrior I think of a TALL, full bodied, physically strong and imposing woman that would look eye-to-eye with a man.
NOT petite, size 2, under 5'7" young women like Charisma and Sarah.

I would love it if they looked at foreign market actresses too.

12-20-2004, 01:46 PM

I wouldn't want either Sarah Michelle Gellar or Charisma Carpenter for WW, but out of the lesser of two evils, I'd go for Carpenter. However, I would find it difficult to separate her from her Cordelia role albeit not as much as separating Gellar from her Buffy role. BUT, Carpenter does often look rather motherly these days and not Amazonian at all. Of course, even Catherine Zeta Jones looks rather motherly too.

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Biohaz_Daddy

12-20-2004, 04:36 PM

YEECH! I hope Whedon is just saying that he is considering them to placate thier egos. Both are so completely wrong for the part that if he was truly serious it could mean bad things for this movie.

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ultimatewonder

12-31-2004, 11:08 PM

A new Wonder Woman movie site is up and running! So far this has been a colective fan effort of The Wonder Woman Forum to get the word out there that the fans want this movie made, and made right! We hope to get more involved... so please submit your ideas and thoughts about the movie. There is a section for casting, costume and story/ plot. And be sure to complete the Fan Survey!

The Fan Challenge officially starts Jan. 1st. Details are posted at the site...
http://ultimatewonder.com

FireStormTrooper

01-11-2005, 10:54 AM

Great site! Glad someone cares enough ... seriously, what do we have on this officially?

Director - Joss Whedon. Has this been confirmed, as in signed, sealed and delivered? Anyone know?

Producer - Joel Silver. He has been the only iron-cast component since day one.

Cast - No one is signed.

Crew - No idea.

Script - Any clues?

Release date - No earlier than X-Mas 2006. More like Summer 2007, assuming things pick up.

ultimatewonder

01-11-2005, 11:34 AM

Joss Whedon is obviously taking over the script also. I have no clue as to what happened to Laeta Kaolgridis' script. She supposedly finished it and then BOOM! the news hit that Whedon was being wooed by WB to take things over. Who knows?

I'm not sure if this has been mentioned yet... I have visited so many forums & lists over the past week, everything is running together. But, did anyone find John Byrne's recent comments about DC's bias toward Wonder Woman interesting? I know a lot of people have cried "sour grapes", but in a lot of ways I feel he is right. The character has not been shown the same respect the others have been given. Case in point... The Superman and Batman franchises are being recycled with new movies, but not a WW feature film YET! And of course it is reflected in the way the comic has been handled in the past.

Glad you liked the site!

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by FireStormTrooper:
Great site! Glad someone cares enough ... seriously, what do we have on this officially?

Director - Joss Whedon. Has this been confirmed, as in signed, sealed and delivered? Anyone know?

Producer - Joel Silver. He has been the only iron-cast component since day one.

Cast - No one is signed.

Crew - No idea.

Script - Any clues?

Release date - No earlier than X-Mas 2006. More like Summer 2007, assuming things pick up.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

FireStormTrooper

01-25-2005, 11:18 AM

I think that WONDER WOMAN will be made into a major motion picture by Warner Bros. The audience is there. There is a market for modern magic movies. Look at the LORD OF THE RINGS and HARRY POTTER franchises. Imagine Minotaurs and Harpies running wild in the big city. Or Medusa turning everyone to stone with a glance. Or Zeus and Hera gazing down on the modern world. Or Wonder Woman riding Pegasus into battle. The clash between the Modern and the Mythical has almost endless possibilities for plots and scripts. A beautiful woman kicking ass and taking names. Brand recognition (everyone knows who she is). Girl Power (but with Intelligence, not just T & A). Role Model factor will bring in families with plenty of $$$ to spare. There's just one caveat ...

Do. It. Right.

Seriously, this will either be an enormously successful (artisticly and financially) movie or a collossal flop on the order of CATWOMAN. There's no in-between. It all depends on how much respect and savvy the team behind the movie has for the character and what she represents. I'm comfortable with Joel Silver producing, I don't know about Joss Whedon directing, and I hope they catch lightning in bottle with the casting of Diana. They have to do this right. Or they shouldn't do it at all.

Because a bad movie is WORSE than no movie. I would rather there been only 2 Superman movies, and only 1 Batman movie, than the continuing dreck that was produced afterwards. Does anyone else feel like this regarding c2fs, or am I the only one?

FireStormTrooper

02-21-2005, 12:24 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>originally posted on www.scifi.com (http://www.scifi.com) :

Whedon Wooed For Wonder

Producer Joel Silver confirmed to SCI FI Wire that he is wooing Buffy the Vampire Slayer creator Joss Whedon to write and direct a new film version of Wonder Woman. "I'm trying," Silver said in an interview at WonderCon in San Francisco on Feb. 19. "I'm trying to work a deal with Joss. ... I was just in the other room [where Whedon was talking about his upcoming SF movie, Serenity]. I don't know if I could work that out. It's a complicated deal to do, but I would love him to do it. It would be great if he could do it."

Silver (the Matrix films and the upcoming House of Wax) said that Whedon, an avowed comic fanatic and current author of Marvel's Astonishing X-Men series, came to him with a new twist on the venerable character. "It's just a great, legendary comic-book hero, and it's one that has never been kind of brought back to life after Lynda Carter [who starred in the 1970s Wonder Woman TV series]. I mean, it's a reinvention. ... Tim Burton reinvented Batman after Adam West, and ... [director Richard] Donner reinvented Superman after George Reeves. It's time to do that to Wonder Woman. It's a thing that could be great if it's done great. ... The idea is to try to find a way to make it, and I thought Joss has a great idea, because he understands a kind of female superhero character, and also he's great at what he does. So I'm trying to find the best way to do it. ... We're working our way through it."<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Two things struck me about that quote. One, I thought it was a done deal that Joss Whedon was directing the new WONDER WOMAN film. This article makes it seem like he's merely a front-runner for the job. Which I guess is good, because I firmly believe that there must be more suitable directors in Hollywood.

Two, as always, the word "reinvention" when applied to c2fs always brings about feelings of apprehension. Does reinventing WW mean turning her into a T&A bimbo screaming grrl-power? Or does it mean thoughtfully adapting those parts of the WW mythos that would not translate well onscreen? I hope for the latter, but I expect the former.

kidcomix

02-24-2005, 01:11 AM

Here's the latest rumor about the WW film. Warner Brothers is still going to make the movie but there isn't a script yet. Entertainment Tonight made a brief story about Matrix's Joel Silver connected as the director to the project. I guess Joss Whedon passed on it or he's looking into directing X-3. Who knows? But the studios are wooing Jessica Biehl as WW and Kim Basinger as Hippolyta. Any thoughts on this?

The Xenos

02-24-2005, 10:00 AM

What?! Why would Silver be a director? He's a producer. He produced the Matrix and has been said to be producing this. He's the one who's supposed to have brought Whedon on. They must have relaly messed up the story. As for the casting pics, the story I heard misspelled Biel's name, as you misspelt it there, so I'd take those casting rumors with a big grain of salt as they said over at the CBR column.

-Xenos

FireStormTrooper

03-02-2005, 09:03 AM

I'm pretty sure Joel Silver is still just the producer. They're going to want an experienced director for this potential tent-pole franchise. I'm hoping Whedon hasn't been signed yet, because if he is in fact even considering Kim Basinger for the role of Diana (a) he's on crack, (b) he's screwing her and promised her the role, (c) he just has a thing for MILFs, (d) all of the above.

Now for something completely different ... any bets on how they'll adapt the costume? Batman and Superman's costumes are being altered for their cinematic rebirths, and their costumes are more iconic than WW (who has changed her costumes more than once in 60+ years). I'm hoping they go for the Kingdom Come WW outfit, with the exposed thighs and star-spangled loincloth, mixed in with some of the Dark Knight Returns WW outfit, with the gladiator boot-sandals.

Znluvx

03-02-2005, 10:29 AM

I too hope they go with the Kingdom Come WW outfit with the stylized breastplate.
Here's a great site that has a detailed history of the WonderWoman costume: http://hometown.aol.com/linastrick/wwindices.html

MilleniumBum

03-07-2005, 06:06 AM

i'd love the see the kingdom come loincloth costume in the movie. the golden eagle armor would be a treat to see, too. but if we were going to pattern it after Hollywood trends, i see WW's current armored costume would be considered. check out rucka's latest issues on WW. it's a good combination of the traditional costume and the KC armor. a little too Xena but it works.

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FireStormTrooper

03-07-2005, 09:08 AM

I just want them to make the color scheme as different from Superman's as possible. WW costume should be completely distinct from Supergirl's. In other words, if they do alter the classic costume (and they probably will, this is WB after all), I hope they keep the gold, but lose the red and blue for something more classicly mythical, like white and bronze or something. With the exposed-thigh loincloth and sandals.

FireStormTrooper

03-17-2005, 08:36 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Whedon lassos 'Wonder' helm for Warners
By Borys Kit

Joss Whedon is preparing to bring to life another formidable female character in his latest movie endeavor.

The creator of "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" has signed to write and direct "Wonder Woman," a live-action film adaptation of the DC Comics character for Warner Bros. Pictures. Joel Silver and Leonard Goldberg are producing.

"Wonder Woman is the most iconic female heroine of our time, but in a way, no one has met her yet," Whedon said in a statement. "What I love most about icons is finding out what's behind them, exploring the price of their power. When Joel and I began discussing the character, I realized there is a woman behind the legend who is very fascinating, very uncompromising and in her own way almost vulnerable. She's someone who doesn't belong in this world, and since everyone I know feels that way about themselves, the character clicked for me."

According to the lore of the comic book, Wonder Woman is the superhero name of Diana, an Amazonian princess from Paradise Island, an uncharted island to which the Amazons fled to escape domination by the ancient Greeks and Romans. She has super strength, bracelets that deflect bullets and a golden lasso that ensnares victims and forces them to tell the truth. She has, at times, even had her own super vehicle, an invisible plane.

"There's no one better than Joss to adapt the legendary Wonder Woman comic book character created in the 1940s into a dynamic feature film for 21st century audiences," Silver said. "Wonder Woman was the first great female superhero to emerge from comic books and later inspire millions of fans in her television incarnation, but unlike her counterparts Batman and Superman, this groundbreaking heroine has yet to be reinvented for the feature film arena."

Wonder Woman was created by educational consultant William Moulton Marston and first appeared in All Star Comics in 1941. Because of her popularity, she got her own self-titled series six months later. The heroine was played by Lynda Carter in the TV series that ran on ABC and CBS from 1976-79.

Warner Bros. is known to have been eyeing a Wonder Woman feature for some time.

"We are excited about working with Joss," Warner Bros. Pictures president Jeff Robinov said. "He brings great energy and creativity to the process. His work on 'Buffy' makes him uniquely qualified to handle the Wonder Woman character."

Whedon created the influential WB Network/UPN drama series "Buffy" and its spinoff, "Angel." He is in postproduction on the Universal Pictures feature "Serenity," which he wrote and directed based on his short-lived Fox drama series "Firefly." His other writing credits include "Toy Story" and "Alien: Resurrection."

Whedon, who also is penning the Marvel comic "Astonishing X-Men," is repped by CAA and attorney Sam Fischer.
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So, now it's official: The WONDER WOMAN movie has a director (Joss Whedon), executive producers (Joel Silver and Leonard Goldberg), and a distributor (Warner Bros. Pictures). What's missing? A script, casting, crew, and a release date. All in due time, I suppose. Although, with Whedon signed sealed and delivered in the driver's seat, Things should move along more quickly.

I'm a betting man. Any takers on when we'll actually see this movie in theaters?

Let's see, it can take a couple months to settle on a screenwriter (May 2005), then a few more months to hammer out an acceptable draft (Sep 2005), then the crew has to be assembled (Nov 2005), all the while looking for casting (Dec 2005), and when all that taken care of, there's the actual shooting of the film with the actors which can run about six months (Jun 2006), and then there's film editing, which can be another six months (Dec 2006) ...

So optimistically, maybe WW would be ready as early as the Holiday season of 2006, but seeing as SUPERMAN RETURNS will also be out that same year, maybe 2007 is a better bet (then again, BATMAN 6 will probably take the summer spotlight, so who knows, really?)

Screw it. WARNER BROS PICTURES present - a SILVER PRODUCTION - a JOSS WHEDON film - WONDER WOMAN coming JUNE 2007.

03-17-2005, 09:21 AM

I read that Whedon might want to cast an unknown for Wonder Woman, following on from the example of Superman Returns.

I hope this is the case. Other contenders for the role are apparently Jennifers Anniston, Lopez or Garner. Neither of them I'd want to see in the WW role. The only role I really think Garner would be suitable for is Black Widow, which she should've played instead of Elektra. Anniston and Lopez should never be allowed near a comic book movie.

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norrinraad

03-17-2005, 12:17 PM

Whedon has stated publicly on a couple of occasions that he would like to have the film ready for 2006. However, it would have to be the Holiday Season as I doubt WB would want both WW and Superman out during the summer. I'm sure summer 2007 is a much safer guess.

Batman this summer, Superman next summer, Wonder Woman summer 2007. It's almost like the LOTR trilogy all over again.

Kinda...

MilleniumBum

03-18-2005, 08:33 AM

i'm actually more wary than psyched about the developments for the WW movie. i think a WW film for the holidays of 2006 would be a good idea if they're gunning for a summer 2006 release for Superman. at least, that would give silver, whedon and company ample time to nitpick at the film thoroughly and review the trends following the superman movie. i do wish they'd care for the character and not turn her into another Buffy. equal mix of story, characterization and action, please.

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FireStormTrooper

03-18-2005, 09:29 AM

So we have the very first official teaster poster out. It has the words "Experience the Wonder" and features a drawing of dark-hair and a gleaming silver bracelet. Not bad. Would rather they went the X-MEN route (a pair of real blue gloves with the gleaming blades crisscrossed to form an 'x') and used a hand model or something. But still, it's official, it's going to get made. And right now that's all that matters ...

Znluvx

03-18-2005, 05:39 PM

Saw this in the "The Deal Report" by Missy Schwartz (March 25, '05 Entertainment Weekly):
A "Marvel boy," Joss Whedon never really connected with rival house DC Comic's Wonder Woman, but now the guy's madly in love with her and is gonna write and direct Warner Bros.' long-delayed feature! "She represents something absolutely pure," says the Buffy creator, who says his Amazon will not, repeat [i]not[i], wear "star-spangled panties" a la Lynda Carter's TV incarnation. Whedon now sees it as a match made in fanboy heaven. "When I was mulling this over, my friend said, 'Joss, look at your freakin' resume. You have two things on it: wonder and women.That's all you write!'"
No star-spangled panties? Hopely it'll be the star-spangled loin-cloth and not some dramatic, extreme makeover.

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03-18-2005, 08:08 PM

Bah! Changing WW's costume doesn't sound good to me. It's one of the iconic things about her. Turning her into another X-Men type heroine wearing black leather or something would be terribly boring and simply jumping on the PC bandwagon.

At least give her the star spangled loincloth. Or star spangled skirt. She better not have pants like Elektra had.

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03-19-2005, 09:40 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Welshcat:
Bah! Changing WW's costume doesn't sound good to me. It's one of the iconic things about her. Turning her into another X-Men type heroine wearing black leather or something would be terribly boring and simply jumping on the PC bandwagon.

At least give her the star spangled loincloth. Or star spangled skirt. She better not have pants like Elektra had.
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Why not? She had them in the Cathy Crosby version back in the early 70s... and we all know what a great film THAT was!

The further Whedon deviates from the classic version of the character and the look that Lynda Carter made iconic 30 years ago, the more of a failure his film will be. And rightly so.

MilleniumBum

03-21-2005, 07:00 AM

this is what i was afraid of: changing the costume. it would be like defiling the icon. BUT if changes are in order, i would like to see the KC loincloth or the Xena-ish armor appearing in the current issues of the book. let's hope that the changes aren't too drastic.

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FireStormTrooper

03-21-2005, 10:12 AM

I honestly don't have a problem with costume changes when translating from comics2film (ha, I made a funny!) ... as long as the change makes sense.

Superman : No change necessary. He looks so colorful so people will NOT fear his incomprehensible alien power. If Supes has all that power, PLUS the intimidation factor, then no one would feel safe around him.

Batman : For prowling around at night AND striking fear into criminals, which makes more sense ... grey and blue or all-black?

X-Men : Honestly, it would have been beyond campy if they had gone with their comic costumes. Cohesive teams should have uniforms, period.

So Wonder Woman: Her costume has changed throughout her 60+ year history. The changes I could live with

1. thigh-less loincloth instead of underwear
2. open-toed winged sandals instead of high-heeled red boots
3. color scheme of white, silver and gold instead of red, blue and gold
4. Pegasus (mythological flying horse) instead of invisible jet

shanias1fan

03-23-2005, 12:28 AM

I'm am soo against a Wonder Woman costume change as well. It's iconic. Which is why Perez didn't change the costume in the 80's. I am really glad Joss is doing the movie. I do love me some Buffy. Joss really knows how do bet an audience down with tragedy in womens' lives. Which WW has had a lot of.

I wouldn't mind a little deviation of the costume, (like with the Batman costume), but a black leather version would be pathetic. No one could take Halle Berry seriously as Catwoman in her get-up. BUT WE SHOULD REMEMBER DC and Warner Bros. own WW, not Joss Wedon. And surely they will be looking at the characters who have made $$$, like Spiderman, Superman, Batman--which all basically kept the same costume. X-Men is the only mainstream feature that did well, that also had major costume changes that I can think of. But I the DC won't let Joss do to much to the costume. AT least here's hoping.

Also, Joss mentioned that he wasn't a big fan of the TV show, that Diana was too weak. Which I agree with. But Carter WAS that role he can't deny that as well as the costume. Hopefully, WB will remember that true WW fans might not embrace a feature if it is totally different than the original story, i.e. Catwoman.

ON a different note, what do y'all think about Lynda Carter as Hippolyta? I personally am hoping she cameos in that role. I think it would be symbolic, touching, like a passing of the tourch. And we all know she looks it.

I'm so glad that there are other WW fanatics who already care about this movie as much as me!

MilleniumBum

03-23-2005, 03:06 AM

shanias1fan, there will never be a shortage of fans who care so much about their beloved icon. however, the same can't be said for hollywood. whatever brings in the most revenue wins over. after all, showbusiness is still a business.

i just wish they'd put the same care and attention to the WW film like what Raimi did for Spiderman. also, i wish the WB execs look at Catwoman as a pattern NOT to be followed when dealing with their icons.

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FireStormTrooper

04-04-2005, 09:46 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Joss Whedon, recently selected to helm the upcoming "Wonder Woman" film, said he intends the iconic female character to go back to her roots, according to an interview with cable television network VH-1.

"Originally, I was hesitant," said the 40-year-old Whedon, who refers to himself as a "comic-book geek." "But then it's also sort of why I became really interested, because she doesn't have so much baggage for me, the way, say, Spider-Man would."

Whedon, however, admits he's been handed a bicycle with training wheels attached.

"It's been in development for a lot of years. Producer Joel Silver called me, and I came in. When he pitched it, he had a very clear idea of what he wanted to do, which I thought was really smart," Whedon said. "But it was very unformed, and it sort of formed in my brain.

"What I began to realize is I had no choice but to write it," he said.

Whedon, who is in the process of completing the upcoming "Serenity" film based on the cancelled Fox series "Firefly" said he's anxious to flesh out the back story of the Amazon princess.

"I think she sort of sprang out fully formed, much like Athena herself," he said. "In the '40s, when it was first done, she came to the world from Paradise Island and then went about her business, and so that experience, which is really a rite of passage, the same as any hero has to go through, has never really been investigated the way I want."

How much will he borrow from more than 60 years of continuously produced comic books? While Whedon says he's never been a huge fan of Wonder Woman's ongoing titles, his familiarity with them will likely encourage long-time comics fans.

"I mean, I've seen some really good books, some really great work by people — late-'80s artist/writer George Perez and late-'90s artist/writer John Byrne, a lot of guys," Whedon said. "Obviously, I've seen the covers by female superhero artist Adam Hughes, but who hasn't? However, I've seen her more with the Justice League of America and stuff like that."

When asked if he plans to incorporate important parts of the Wonder Woman legend in the film, Whedon did mention that he's going to be very picky when choosing what to use and what to ignore.

"I have a take on all of them," he said. "It has to do with who she is, and they have a certain integrity. I'm not going to do anything silly.

"There's a reason why she has those bracelets. There's a reason why she's got the lasso. I think it's going to work out really well."

He made no mention of the invisible plane that has been phased out of the most recent comics incarnations, though.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

This sounds very positive to me. Maybe SIN CITY (awesome movie, btw, highly recommended!) won't be a fluke in terms of excellent adaptations. At least he's familiar with George Perez's work (The WW equivalent of Superman's John Byrne or Batman's Frank Miller). On a somewhat contrarian note, I'm glad he's going to pick and choose which parts of the mythos to use and which to discard ... i.e. that ridiculous Invisible Jet should never be seen or heard from ever again.

04-05-2005, 09:44 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by FireStormTrooper:
 that ridiculous Invisible Jet should never be seen or heard from ever again.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

But isn't meant to be non-visible and silent? So if it's invisible, how would you know if it's there in the film or not, because you might just not be seeing or hearing it! http://www.comics2film.com/UBB/wink.gif

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Kwick22a

04-05-2005, 10:22 AM

Someone would walk into it. It's almost a rule in movies: if something is invisible, then someone will walk into it and fall on their ass.

FireStormTrooper

04-22-2005, 08:27 AM

Just saw an MTV News bit about the new WONDER WOMAN movie where director Joss Whedon was interviewed. He reiterated that casting was the farthest thing from his mind right now (I'm hoping that means the the WW script is the first). A lot of names were thrown out, some pretty ridiculous (Beyonce is fine, but she's no WW). Anyway, the most interesting bit was that they're planning for a release date in 2006.

2006? As in next year?? As in the same year as SUPERMAN RETURNS??? I think that means WONDER WOMAN would not be a summertime release but rather opening during the holiday frame (Thanksgiving to New Year's).

Christmas 2006 - Experience the Wonder.

The Xenos

04-22-2005, 12:37 PM

Someone actually had the damn gaul to suggest Beyonce. A big "F*(#$ you!" to them. F*(#$ you. F*(#$ you. F*(#$ you. I'm open to otehr races in roles, but not ones with definate predescribed race. Respect my ethnicity and cast a woman who could at least pass Greek. Elektra was barely passable, but that was the tip of teh iceberg with that movie character's problems.

-Xenos

rayray2021

04-22-2005, 06:50 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by The Xenos:
Someone actually had the damn gaul to suggest Beyonce. A big "F*(#$ you!" to them. F*(#$ you. F*(#$ you. F*(#$ you. I'm open to otehr races in roles, but not ones with definate predescribed race. Respect my ethnicity and cast a woman who could at least pass Greek. Elektra was barely passable, but that was the tip of teh iceberg with that movie character's problems.
-Xenos<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Umm, sure, she would be Mediterranian looking, but she doesn't need to look Greek. Wonder Woman has blue eyes. I've been to Greece. Try and find blue eyes! It won't happen!
Not to say that Beyonce should be WW. GODS no! Just don't try and put a racial tag on a comic book character that doesn't necessarily embody a particular "race" of people.

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The Xenos

04-22-2005, 07:20 PM

I actually got a couple of cousins with blue eyes, at least one is all Greek.

-Xenos

D.K.HOOD

04-22-2005, 10:17 PM

Melina Kanakaredes has blue eyes and she's Greek. Jennifer Anniston also has blue-green eyes, I think. And I think there might have been an actress or two in "My Big Fat Greek Wedding" who had blue eyes, but I don't know if they were actually greek or not.

But as Xenos indicated, its not that uncommon.

FireStormTrooper

04-25-2005, 12:01 AM

Has anyone heard anything about the movie's plot?

Even if they have perfect casting, a bad script will sink all WB's efforts for a successful movie. Is it going to be an origin movie (seems obvious, but you never know)? Set in modern times (hopefully) or set in WWII (blech). Who's the main villian? The Cheetah? Circe? Ares? What's her costume going to look like?

There's a whole lot of questions to this WW movie besides who'll play her ...

kidcomix

04-25-2005, 01:53 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by FireStormTrooper:
Has anyone heard anything about the movie's plot?

Even if they have perfect casting, a bad script will sink all WB's efforts for a successful movie. Is it going to be an origin movie (seems obvious, but you never know)? Set in modern times (hopefully) or set in WWII (blech). Who's the main villian? The Cheetah? Circe? Ares? What's her costume going to look like?

There's a whole lot of questions to this WW movie besides who'll play her ...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I completely agree. A good script and plot really drives the film and the franchise. Look at X-Men films. The writers organized the story into a comprehensible plot by condensing decades of the comic book's storylines and focusing the two films in just one direction. The writer's of Daredevil and Elektra should've took note of this and opted for substance instead of style. As far as the WW film is concerned, a well thought out script should first be implemented before casting ever begins.

FireStormTrooper

05-06-2005, 09:34 AM

Does anyone know if WW director Joss Whedon is gay?

In a perfect world, it wouldn't matter, but after both Schumacher (BATMAN & ROBIN) and Singer (SUPERMAN III/RETURNS) ... I just wanna know if WB is going for the trifecta of f*cked-up adaptations ahead of time.

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05-06-2005, 11:15 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by FireStormTrooper:
Does anyone know if WW director Joss Whedon is gay?

In a perfect world, it wouldn't matter, but after both Schumacher (BATMAN & ROBIN) and Singer (SUPERMAN III/RETURNS) ... I just wanna know if WB is going for the trifecta of f*cked-up adaptations ahead of time.

[This message has been edited by FireStormTrooper (edited 05-06-2005).]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well even if he is completely straight, if he did a Wonder Buffy adaptation with either Sarah Michelle Gellar or Charisma Carpenter, or any of the other Buffy/Angel stars in the lead role, WW would still completely suck.

What Joss Whedon needs to do is cast a completely fresh face in the role, and not have his silly standard Whedon speak (as is typical of Willow or Xander) otherwise the whole WW franchise will be rather mamby-pambyish.

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D.K.HOOD

05-06-2005, 01:10 PM

I don't know if Whedon is gay or not. The impression I got from watching his interviews and commentary on the Angel season 5 DVD's is that he might not be straight, but nothing definitive. Anyway that doesn't matter because there have been plenty of screwed up C2F's and they all couldn't have been directed by gay people. And I'm not so sure it would be a bad thing to have a gay person directing a movie about a female superhero in the first place. Females and gay men seem to understand each other alot better than I understand them.

Secondly, Whedon has already said that he doesn't plan to cast any Buffy/Angel actors in WW. But even if he did, they wouldn't speak the way they did on the show. That was something he did specifically for those shows. Actually Whedon mentions on a commentary that he is a fan of Shakespeare, and so are Alexis Denisof(Wesley) and Amy Acker(Fred, Illyria), so when they killed of Amy's character Winifred Berkel and changed her to Illyria he decided to make the dialogue between Wesley and Illyria more shakespearian in tone. Actually most of Illyria's dialogue seemed to be that way.

05-07-2005, 05:59 PM

The Xenos

05-07-2005, 08:58 PM

Yeah, man, I saw those episodes, but gosh damn if it doesn't make me all weepy eyed. A little warning next time!

-Xenos

D.K.HOOD

05-08-2005, 01:57 AM

Sorry about the spoilers Welschcat, and to anyone else as well. Its been almost a year since the show was cancelled so I didn't think I was spoiling anything by mentioning what will not be mentioned again. Have you started watching season 5 eps yet Welshy? They've aired the last season at least twice now on TNT because they aired every weekday, but I think they've only just started airing season 5 re-runs on regular network television.

Anyway, no more Angel talk from me, at least not in this forum. I promise.

05-08-2005, 01:08 PM

Zac

05-08-2005, 05:54 PM

Let's stay on subject here, guys

FireStormTrooper

05-11-2005, 10:15 AM

Originally posted on www.comics2film.com:
Look out Superman and Ghost Rider, Wonder Woman is set to touch down in Australia in her invisible jet.

Hollywood super producer, Joel Silver, has revealed Australia is at the top of his list as the shoot location for his next blockbuster, Wonder Woman the movie.

"When I make Wonder Woman I'll probably do it in Australia," said Silver, whose long list of profitable films, including the Die Hard and Lethal Weapon movies, have made $US5 billion ($A6.44 billion) at the box office worldwide.

"I love working in Australia.

"It makes great sense to me."

Australia has almost become the New Jersey-born Silver's second home with the three Matrix films shot in Sydney and Ghost Ship and House of Wax on the Gold Coast.

The 52-year-old producer is also fond of Australians.

Silver hired Hugo Weaving to star and James McTeigue to direct his new action film, V for Vendetta, currently shooting in Germany with Oscar nominee Natalie Portman.

The Wonder Woman project is hush-hush at the moment, but Silver said Buffy the Vampire Slayer creator Joss Whedon was putting the script together.

Casting is top secret.

Silver would not be drawn into speculation about who might slip into the skimpy red, white and blue costume and bullet-reflecting bracelets Lynda Carter made famous in the 1970s TV series.

"No, we're not there yet," Silver said of the casting.

"We're still writing the script."

The OC's Mischa Barton was rumoured to be a candidate to play the Amazonian princess warrior, and another American actress, Jessica Biel, who was in Australia last year shooting the action film, Stealth, has also been mentioned as a potential Wonder Woman.

A date for when Wonder Woman and her magic lasso might begin shooting also was not certain.

"There's no timeframe yet," Silver said.

"We've got Joss Whedon writing the script.

"When we have a script we'll make a decision about what we're going to do."

With Nicolas Cage filming Ghost Rider in Melbourne and American actor Brandon Routh in his cape and red underpants shooting Superman in Sydney, Australia has become a favourite destination for superheroes.

It's also a retreat for the hardworking Silver.

"I just wish Australia wasn't so far away," Silver said.

"I love being in Australia and I love making movies there. Australia is just a comfortable place for me to work."- AAP

So they are working on the WW script before even speculating about casting. That's good to hear. Then they can find an actress to fit the (hopefully awesome) script, instead of the other way around. [/url]

Oldsoul3300

07-13-2005, 03:13 PM

--I've seen some speculation as to whether or not Whedon is the right man for this job.
I was a HUGE fan of BUFFY and ANGEL when they were on the air, and despite my admiration for Joss as a director and writer, I was a bit hesitant with the idea of him helming a movie like X-MEN (which had been rumored) and later WONDER WOMAN. His style just didn't seem to fit.
But after seeing FIREFLY on DVD (I missed most of the series when it aired) and after seeing an advance screening of SERENITY back in May, I'm willing to believe that Joss can direct anything.
The movie is in good hands.

8)

easy D

07-13-2005, 10:04 PM

Well, I've never been a fan of Buffy or Angel (They just can't really seem to interest me, and I actually like stories about vampires and demons and stuff like that.) So I'm looking at the potential Wonder Woman movie very cautiously.

FireStormTrooper

08-02-2005, 10:25 PM

Interview w/ Joss Whedon (link on front page of comics2film)

WONDER WOMAN:
Flight and Height

Q: I understand you’ve not yet written a word of the “Wonder Woman” screenplay.

A: Not too many words.

Q: Did you tell Warner Bros. you weren’t keen to deal with it until “Serenity” enters release?

A: Not release. It’s not that I haven’t been working on it.

Q: You have been working on it?

A: The way I work, I’m like a vulture. I circle and circle and then I dive. I usually don’t actually write anything until I know exactly how it’s going to turn out. I don’t “let the computer take me away.” I’m an absolute Nazi about structure. I make outlines. I make charts and graphs with colors.

Q: You’ve done that for “Wonder Woman”?

A: Not for “Wonder Woman,” because I’m still working out the plot. But I’m finding the moments that matter; I’m finding the things that make the story really resonate; the things that I just can’t wait to film. I have great big questions to answer, but I’m in that beautiful, free-form poetical place where you just get to think up moments and see if they fit in your movie. And that’s almost more fun than anything. And that work, which is a vital part of what got me interested in doing the job in the first place, is being done.

But I do have to see “Serenity” through. I’ll be finished with the movie within a month but I have to make sure it gets taken care of all the way through release. I have, in the past, found that I was able to do more than one thing at a time.

Q: Will Diana be able to fly under her own power, or will an invisible plane be involved?

A: I do not believe she will be flying. I think we have a guy who flies. I don’t see her flying. She might jump. There could be some hopping. And there may in fact be an invisible plane. But if there is, it will be because it came out really cool. And I have theories about how to make that work.

Q: You’ve said there will be “no star-spangled panties” like the ones Lynda Carter wore in the old TV series. Are you ruling out star-spangled miniskirts?

A: Not exactly. The look that she’s sporting in DC Comics right now is closer to where I’d have her than the TV series, or the old look. The color scheme and the silhouette have to remain because they’re her. But the American flag is not what she’s going to be wearing.

Q: So you’re not ruling out minis?

A: No. She’s still going to look like Wonder Woman. She’s not going to look like Trinity. She’s going to look like Wonder Woman, but she’s just not going to be hokey.

Q: In the teaser poster the eagle remains on her chestplate.

A: The eagle is OK with me. Because it’s not like we invented them. It’s a lot less to swallow than the fact that Jor-El wears a big “S.” That bugged me.

Q: As you go about casting Diana, do you set a height requirement? How important is it that the Amazon princess be tall?

A: It’s important. I’m looking for somebody statuesque, regal, beautiful, who can really act and do a lot of stunts with no elbow or knee pads. I’m asking a lot. So if I happen to find all those qualities in somebody who does not quite meet my height requirement, I will be casting some really short love interest. The height is definitely a part of the package. But the most important part? No. And the fact of the matter is, a woman stands as tall as she makes you think she is. For example, I always thought [“Buffy” writer-producer] Marti Noxon was four inches taller than she actually was. I just found that out last week.

Q: “Wonder Woman” producer Joel Silver prides himself on his casting acumen. Has he yet offered any suggestions?

A: No. You know, we talked specifically about that. And the idea was always, “Write the part, and then we’ll figure it out.”

Q: You’ve also talked about her being very young. Are you thinking college-age? Teen-ager?

A: I’d say that’s a pretty flexible thing because it’s her first time setting foot in the world of men. But that doesn’t necessarily mean she has to be a teen-ager. So, yes, they are thinking of a young woman. They’re thinking, I expect, of something franchise-able.

Q: Will it be appropriate to describe the “Wonder Woman” movie as a fish-out-of-water tale?

A: I would say very much so.

Q: Will this be one of the key ways it distinguishes itself from other superhero movies?

A: Yes, I think so. Ultimately, structurally, yes, that’s a big distinguishing factor, but I think there will be other elements that are specific to her. But then again, I haven’t seen the new “Batman” and I haven’t seen the script for “Supes” [Warner Bros.’ upcoming “Superman Returns” feature].

Q: Will Diana contend with a print-derived supervillain?

A: At this point I’m looking at creating something a little different. I don’t think her rogues gallery necessarily offers me what I need. But that’s not a final decision, that’s just my instinct.

ummm ... no flying?

Pod

08-05-2005, 05:30 PM

not being a WW fan but I never really remembered her flying except one time in the comics...but I think we will see a semi-flying WW with the invisable plane...

I'm not really interesting and following this movie but I hear it will battle spidey 3 on the box office for 2007 so thats a fun thought.

Khrys

08-11-2005, 03:05 PM

Wonder Woman has flown under her own power for the last 18 years, in the comics. She's been shown flying in the cartoon quite frequently, only using the Javalin when a large group was coming in. Further, she's been gliding for a long time previous to Crisis, and Wonder /Girl/ could fly from the 1960's on.

Someone else argued that 'Superman flies'. Well, yes, he does. But originally, he could only leap tall buildings in a single bound. The only reason he was able to start flying was because, well, an artist forgot to draw something for him to stand on.

The Invisible Jet is one of the STUPIDEST ideas to come to comics, ever. How, exactly, is an Amazon, fresh off Themyscira, a Bronze Age society, supposed to get her hands on a jet? It's just another example of DC letting their characters get screwed over for a buck.

DarrenJSeeley

08-11-2005, 09:04 PM

How, exactly, is an Amazon, fresh off Themyscira, a Bronze Age society, supposed to get her hands on a jet? It's just another example of DC letting their characters get screwed over for a buck.

Good question.
Don't know how JW will handle it, but if you were to brainstorm and weigh in possiblities, you might be able to come up with plausible explanations.
Want to hear some of mine?

In no weight of order, here are three possible solutions:

1) Themyscira could have retained history, but also might thrive on technology not available to the outside world.

2) Wonder Woman saves the US/ World etc. In gratitude, she is given a new prototype F-14 Tomcat/Hornet something something.

3) It really insn't "invisible" It is however, a strong reflective surface, which 'mirrors' the enviornment around it, especially in the air. It also cannot be tracked on radar.

Khrys

08-11-2005, 11:47 PM

And the wisdom of Athena is going to give her the ability to fly this thing. :roll:

No offense, because your ideas are good, but the very idea of Diana in that jet again is REPUGNANT to me. I love Phil J, but seeing Diana fly in that thing made me want to cry.

Oldsoul3300

08-12-2005, 10:16 AM

--It'll probably be some top-secret military prototype that she gets her grubby little hands on.

DarrenJSeeley

08-12-2005, 09:38 PM

And the wisdom of Athena is going to give her the ability to fly this thing.

Well, intro the Jet at the end of film. That way, if there is a sequel two years after, that...eh...

...The manual! That's it! Yes, using the wisdom of Athena, she reads the manual! :shock:

;)

Khrys

08-13-2005, 06:01 AM

And super speed. Don't forget her super speed. (They're going to forget her super speed. I know they will. Comic writers do ALL the time. Nevermind that she can keep up with Jesse Quick for short periods of time, or all that other stuff she's been shown doing.) She'll use her speed of Hermes to read the manual and the wisdom of Athena to understand what she's reading.

If they're going to make the movie about a Wonder Woman that can't fly, they should just make it about Hippolyta and get it over with. Because it'll have about as much resemblence to Diana as Hippolyta, weilding a sword and man hating does.

DarrenJSeeley

09-13-2005, 03:09 PM

We'll meet a Wonder Woman who is similar to the one from the original comics and from the TV series to an extent," said Joss Whedon. "Neither of them are really a template. I've never loved the comics and I didn't watch the television series, but I loved the character very much."

I think (and hope) Whedon was being a wise guy,but in case he wasn't...

Now, you don't have to be a total fan, but even directors/writers who do C2F projects- as well as other films do at least a little bit of background research. I suppose nothng's wrong with an interpetation of the character, but you must respect the character and/or the source material.

In any case, I think JW better step up and ease fears before it gets out of hand.

And it will get out of hand, very, very quickly.

FireStormTrooper

12-23-2005, 08:46 AM

That's always the danger when making c2fs: how true do you stay to the character's history while at the same time making the most successful film? Fine line to walk, really. BATMAN BEGINS was a beautiful tightrope balancing act where a lot was changed (a younger Bruce being tutored by Ra's al Ghul was an invention by Goyer and Nolan that was never in the comics) but enough of the core was kept the same. SIN CITY stayed completely faithful to the comic to the point where it might have done better if they had strayed just a little bit. Then there's CATWOMAN, which completely ignored the character's tradition and was just a vehicle for Halle Berry's starpower (or lack thereof).

WONDER WOMAN should, ideally, follow the BATMAN BEGINS template, where they change certain aspects of the legend while staying true to the core.

Znluvx

12-23-2005, 12:33 PM

WONDER WOMAN should, ideally, follow the BATMAN BEGINS template, where they change certain aspects of the legend while staying true to the core.

But what stays and what goes?

imported_Thom

12-26-2005, 05:44 AM

In any case, I think JW better step up and ease fears before it gets out of hand.

And it will get out of hand, very, very quickly.
I disagree. I suppose WW fans might get heavy-handed soon, but honestly I believe Wonder Woman to be one of those characters the moviegoing public doesn't expect much of... Maybe the half-funny crap that was Charlie's Angels, if not another Catwoman/Elektra-style stinker.

That may seem to suggest there's something inherently wrong with females-as-heroines movies, but it's all in the execution. Joss already has experience dealing with two empowered female leads: Buffy, and Serenity's River Tam. (For that matter, whilst not a lead per say, Morena Baccarin's "Inara" was a very empowered woman.) He could well lead this niche sub-genre where noone's expected to see it go. Or he could just give a respectable turn, but I honestly expect to see him impress.

FireStormTrooper

12-28-2005, 12:28 PM

What to keep:

The mythological aspects: Diana of the Amazons from Themsycria. The Greek (and other) Gods and Monsters. Magic in the modern world. Epic catfights onscreen. Powerhouse villians like the Cheetah, Circe the sorceress, Ares the God of War, each done up right for the film franchise.

What to drop:

The secret identity. The invisible jet. Anything camp.

Pod

12-28-2005, 08:50 PM

Hmm, I would say that the invisable jet is one of the things people remember about WW. But if they want a realistic action film that features a female hero that won't bomb like Catwoman or Elektra they would have to go to a point where you see the best of Wonder Woman. I wouldn't like to see all the greek mythical characters in the film. It might turn into something that might turn Wonder Woman into the female Hercules in the general publics eyes. I want a realistic approach to her. The amazon thing needs to be keepen, of course. Just have it more darker and interesting, IMO.

FireStormTrooper

01-05-2006, 09:24 AM

Hmm, I would say that the invisable jet is one of the things people remember about WW.

This isn't the movie version of the TV show, anymore than 1989's BATMAN was a movie version of the 1960s' BATMAN! tv series. It's totally independent and should strive to be its own thing. The Invisible Jet is unnecessary if she flies. But I heard that Whedon (whom I'm hopeful yet also skeptical of) doesn't want her flying on her power. So maybe we'll see the damn jet anyway.

I wouldn't like to see all the greek mythical characters in the film. It might turn into something that might turn Wonder Woman into the female Hercules in the general publics eyes. I want a realistic approach to her.

Well, that's kinda the whole point of Wonder Woman. Myth in the Modern World. The gods and monsters of old walking the earth of today. Hercules and Xena took place in the past. Diana is here and now. Completely different vibe. Realistic? Maybe the dialogue and character interaction can be realistic. But otherwise, this is a fantasy movie on the order of HARRY POTTER. Realism doesn't have much of a place here.