This makes me so MADDDD!!!!

[kah]

I have kept my mouth shut for quite some time. This is complete bullshit, and if it was happening by you, you would think so, too.

I don't know if any of you have heard about the Jude beating case in Milwaukee, but here's the story (http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=344314).

This- this (http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=403468&date=2/22/2006) is what really makes me furious.:angry :angry :angry
:romy: :romy: :romy:


Unfortunately, this is not the only thing that makes me so mad about the Milwaukee Police Department.

There's also this (http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=400998&date=2/11/2006).

And this...

Read Headings: Some Police Guard Citizen Complaint Forms and Zapped! Police Use Tasers On Non-Violent Suspects (http://www.fox6milwaukee.com/dynamic/story.asp?category=126)

In addition to above statements, the fact is that Milwaukee barely even interviews its officers before hiring them to "protect" us. Here's a little tidbit about Arthur Jones, the ex-chief. His promotion practices were just the icing on the cake. Read Under Heading: A Season in Hell... (http://www.620wtmj.com/_content/talk/jeffwagner/index.asp?id=14&month=4&year=2005)


Which is why we have statistics like this (http://www.allaroundyourhouse.org/reference/crime_statistics/city_crime_statistics/milwaukee/).

Compare them to your city here (http://www.allaroundyourhouse.org/reference/crime_statistics/city_crime_statistics/).

I'm sorry, btw. I know most of you hate it when I link so many stories, but I want you to understand why I am so pissed off.

[Asonokirk V 2.0]

I don't understand what point you're trying to make with these articles. Oh, Milwaukee has bad police? Gee, like that isn't the case everywhere? I mean, what type of person even WANTS to be a police officer in the first place? Think of the psychological profile of many of these people. Some were bullies in high school, all are attracted to violence in one form or another, and they have a subconscious need to dominate other people.

When "nice people" start wanting to be police officers we will see less incidents of unwarranted and unacceptable behavior by the police.

I'm sure you are aware of the numerous examples of outrageous behavior by the police here in Los Angeles. You can go to any major newspaper in this country and find article relating to some form of police corruption, most likely.


However, I am really unclear on exactly what you are addressing with your post.

[neglet]

Gee, like that isn't the case everywhere? I mean, what type of person even WANTS to be a police officer in the first place? Think of the psychological profile of many of these people. Some were bullies in high school, all are attracted to violence in one form or another, and they have a subconscious need to dominate other people.

When "nice people" start wanting to be police officers we will see less incidents of unwarranted and unacceptable behavior by the police.

Gee, nothing like stereotyping a whole profession. I have a cousin who trained in law enforcement, and he's a gentle soul who's great with kids and just wants to help people. Too bad the economy is so crappy here in Michigan he can't get a police job, and he's had to wait almost two years just to get a response on a federal job with Customs or Immigration. I also have a writing colleague who is a police officer. She was in the paper the other day for saving someone's life on the road. She likes to write stories for little kids and is a very sweet person.

Too bad it's only when the "nice people" serving in the police force are injured or killed in the line of duty, protecting the rest of us, that we hear about all the good things they do.

[Bokchoi Cowboy]

I don't understand what point you're trying to make with these articles. Oh, Milwaukee has bad police? Gee, like that isn't the case everywhere? I mean, what type of person even WANTS to be a police officer in the first place? Think of the psychological profile of many of these people. Some were bullies in high school, all are attracted to violence in one form or another, and they have a subconscious need to dominate other people.

When "nice people" start wanting to be police officers we will see less incidents of unwarranted and unacceptable behavior by the police.

I'm sure you are aware of the numerous examples of outrageous behavior by the police here in Los Angeles. You can go to any major newspaper in this country and find article relating to some form of police corruption, most likely.


However, I am really unclear on exactly what you are addressing with your post.


Asonokirk, I don't know what generated your dismal outlook of the type of people who decide to take on law enforcement as their career, and there are just so many ways I can respond to your post. Neglet was rather kind in how she handled it but I am usually more direct:

Fuck you!


Your simplistic and mindless attitude towards law enforcement pisses me off. How many law enforcement officers and support personel do you know? How the fuck do you know what the background of these people are? Your statement:

I mean, what type of person even WANTS to be a police officer in the first place? Think of the psychological profile of many of these people. Some were bullies in high school, all are attracted to violence in one form or another, and they have a subconscious need to dominate other people.

...is simply incredible. Attracted to violence in one form or another? I may sound violent right now, but you have never stood where I have, seen what I have seen. I have experienced the heart and soul of people who are working one of the most thankless jobs there is, who put the safety of asinine jerks like you in front of their own safety on a daily basis. There are indeed some bad apples out there in uniform, but the majority of them are good people who have a lot more going on in their mind and heart than an attraction to violence or "a subconscious need to dominate other people".

What do you back your statements up with? What you see in the media? You better have a damn good story to back up your point of view...


As far as Kah's posting, it is indeed aparent that there are some serious problems in her local law enforcement admin structure. I understand what she is getting at, and agree there is no place for what is being reported. You would think that after all that has gone on in the last decade, from the Rodney King stuff to the Mafia Hit Men Cops, that everyone involved in this type of stuff would get a freakin clue.

[Kaeos]

Neglet was rather kind in how she handled it but I am usually more direct:

Fuck you!

Your simplistic and mindless attitude

How the fuck do you know

put the safety of asinine jerks like you in front of their own safety

get a freakin clue.


How to Win Friends and Influence People, Second Edition
by Bokchoi Cowboy

Very Nice.

[Bokchoi Cowboy]

How to Win Friends and Influence People, Second Edition
by Bokchoi Cowboy

Very Nice.

Kaeos, you ever get really pissed off? I was not trying to be nice.

[Space Tycoon]

Neglet was rather kind in how she handled it but I am usually more direct:

Fuck you!

I literally laughed out loud when I read this. Thank you. :lol:

I grew out of my arrested adolescent cop-hating phase around the same time I realized that leftism, long hair and a beard wouldn't open too many doors in life.

Ah, well. :ohwell:


Asonokirk:

I've come to develop great respect for the men and women of the police, particularly the ones here in Southern Ontario. I feel the same way as I do about the members of the armed forces. They don't make policy, they merely do their best to try to enforce it, in a culture that seems to be gleefully tearing itself apart around them.

Peel Regional and Toronto in particular have some of the most professional law enforcement officers to be found anywhere in the Western Hemisphere. I'm sure they would be very interested in your views on who would want to become a cop.


Not to mention the Ontario Provincial Police and the world-renowned RCMP.






On an unrelated matter, why do I feel the need to turn every thread into a discussion of Canada? :dunno:







.

[omicron]

Not to mention the Ontario Provincial Police and the world-renowned RCMP.


Yup, don't forget those RCMP....

http://www.petcaretips.net/dudley_doright_horse.jpg


:lol:

Omicron

[Space Tycoon]

Dudley Do-Right was always a little too close to his horse.

They don't call them "Mounted" for nothing...




.

[Asonokirk V 2.0]

Asonokirk, I don't know what generated your dismal outlook of the type of people who decide to take on law enforcement as their career, and there are just so many ways I can respond to your post. Neglet was rather kind in how she handled it but I am usually more direct:

Fuck you!


Your simplistic and mindless attitude towards law enforcement pisses me off. How many law enforcement officers and support personel do you know? How the fuck do you know what the background of these people are? Your statement:



...is simply incredible. Attracted to violence in one form or another? I may sound violent right now, but you have never stood where I have, seen what I have seen. I have experienced the heart and soul of people who are working one of the most thankless jobs there is, who put the safety of asinine jerks like you in front of their own safety on a daily basis. There are indeed some bad apples out there in uniform, but the majority of them are good people who have a lot more going on in their mind and heart than an attraction to violence or "a subconscious need to dominate other people".

What do you back your statements up with? What you see in the media? You better have a damn good story to back up your point of view...


As far as Kah's posting, it is indeed aparent that there are some serious problems in her local law enforcement admin structure. I understand what she is getting at, and agree there is no place for what is being reported. You would think that after all that has gone on in the last decade, from the Rodney King stuff to the Mafia Hit Men Cops, that everyone involved in this type of stuff would get a freakin clue.

I understand your anger, and would direct it towards me myself, if I believed what I was saying was out of line. However, I have enough experience with the police to know the truth, up close and personal experience. Some of them are certainly good people, no doubt about that, but I stand by what I said as to the type of people attracted to police work. I did not mean EVERY police officer has the psychological attributes I referred to, just enough of them to make a problem. I was generalizing for the sake of trying to determine what the original post was trying to say. I wasn't sure if he was criticizing the police, or criticizing something else.

[Intelligent_Design]

My attitude about cops is real simple. You save lives and catch the scum walking the streets I love ya and support ya. You give out speeding,seatbelt,and broken tailight tickets? Fvck Ya!!! I hope you rot in hell.

[Space Tycoon]

Some of them are certainly good people, no doubt about that, but I stand by what I said as to the type of people attracted to police work. I did not mean EVERY police officer has the psychological attributes I referred to, just enough of them to make a problem.

Most of them are good people. Some of them are not. Did you ever read Serpico? Bullshit often flows downhill in these large police departments. The "bad" cops often operate in an environment where the good ones feel obligated, rightly or wrongly, to defend them or look the other way.

The reason being, as much as officer "A" may be appalled at the actions of officer "B," the fact is "B" may just be the guy who's got "A's" back during a raid or whatever. It's like a war, and you can't always choose who you're going to be sharing a foxhole with.




.

[kah]

Ok. I've calmed down a little, so here's what I was getting at.

Ready?

I don't have a problem with cops. I happen to like cops most of the time. They are very helpful in the bar business, and are very appreciative when I make their jobs easier.

The problem I have is with the Milwaukee Police Department as a whole and its policies. They have been so desperate for officers, that often they never interviewed candidates before hiring them, and rarely did a background check. After Arthur Jones became the ex-chief, Nan Hegerty took over. She's been trying to get things cleaned up, but now we are all seeing what has been going on in our system. There were, I think, 7 seven officers charged with felonies within a week's time last year, and then we found out they should never have been hired in the first place. Whether they were fired from another department or perhaps were convicted of a sex offense in another city or were kicked off the fire department for a reason that should have barred them from gaining employment with the police, the MPD still hired them. We've got cops sexually assaulting women, and then telling them they are going to be arrested. We've got cops running cocaine. We've got cops using excessive force, and killing kids and saying they felt their lives were threatened. We've got cops beating the shit out of people and saying they were resisting arrest. We've got cops who will not respond to calls, because they don't like the neighborhood. Apparently our policemen and women also have a no snitch policy, which caused a woman considerable harrassment when she spoke up in the Jude case. Cops that have snitched out other cops have also been known to not get backup when it's needed, putting them in danger because they had the gall to be honest. We also have on-duty firemen sledding in cemetaries, but that's another topic.

I can accept that some officers are going to be corrupt, just like I can accept that some teachers, and politicians are corrupt. The simple fact is, that once they are discovered as being a blight on society, they should be fired. And once they are fired, they should STOP GETTING PAID!!!!

Milwaukee police officers have a union contract that keeps their paychecks coming until the appeals process runs out, on average, 9 months. Then, when they are just about to go up for their appeal, which they know they will lose, they just resign. They don't have to pay the money back. They are being rewarded for abusing the system and stealing taxpayers' money. The officers in the Jude case were fired in late 2004 or early 2005, but they are still getting paid. I don't know of another city that does this. Even the Milwaukee Fire Department has a different policy. If a fireman is fired, his paychecks stop. He goes through with the appeals process, then, if reinstated, is issued backpay. I believe I read that the average fireman's appeals process in Milwaukee takes 3 months. Why? Because they have the motivation to get their job back. There is a reason this country have unemployment benefits. It is there for people who have been laid off, but also for people who have been wrongly terminated from the jobs. It gives them the time to fight for their job or to find another one. Why are our police officers, some who are charged with felonies, collecting paychecks after being terminated? We even have some who are sitting in prison, collecting their check from the city. This is what my anger is being directed at. Not police officers, but the union contract that protects the corrupt monsters on the force, in fact rewarding them, and the bastards in the city government that signed it. Like Milwaukee's government wasn't corrupt enough, the ones who were actually not trying to screw the city to their benefit were too stupid to actually read the contract and consider the consequences before signing it. Bastards. All of them.

[Asonokirk V 2.0]

Ok, now I understand your frustration. I just wasn't clear on what you were getting at with your initial post.

I believe most police officers are good and honorable people, it is just one must expect that a certain percentage are going to be a problem. My reference to the type of people attracted to police work was only an attempt to explain why the sorts of things you linked happen. Every profession attracts those to it who are psychologically fit for that profession. Certainly it HELPS a police officer to have certain characteristics others don't have. We all have negative and positive aspects to our personalities. The key is to use the negative in a positive way.

[kah]

Well, in any case... I didn't have time to post this when it happened, but the verdict for the three officers charged in the Jude beating came in late Friday night. All three, NOT GUILTY. I can't even describe my disgust. Anyways, here's a few articles to update.

'We Did Our Best'- Jude Juror Says (http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=416572)

They may try to press federal charges, but we'll see..
Case to get Federal Review (http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=416208&date=4/15/2006)