Roe v Wade for Men

[kah]

I actually read about this guy a while ago. I hate it when I can see both sides of an issue, and think both have equal rights. Especially when giving both equal rights effectively screws the one they are fighting over. I am curious as to your opinions on this case. We all know the way it will go, but how do you think it should be decided?

Read Article Here (http://www.nationalcenterformen.org/page7.shtml)

I'll tell you my opinion later. :wink:

[omicron]

very interesting. I thought they would refer to cases where men have been forced to pay child support for pregnancies resulting from sperm donations or even after they were proved to not be the father of the child.

Still, in the case they specifically referenced, I don't have alot of sympathy for the guy. He's the father, if he didn't want to be, then he should have used protection. Quite frankly, it's been quite a while since I was in a relationship, but I never depended on the women for birth control. I was not ready for fatherhood, so I made sure I did my damndest to make sure I wasn't put in the position.

In the case they are referencing, I suppose he could sue for fraud or something. She specifically mislead the guy, and I suppose there could be some sort of verbal contract involved. :dunno:

Omicron

[Trazalca]

Judging from the title, I couldn't help but think this thread was spam
for some new deoderant.

"Roe v Wade for Men! And now with Irish Spring Scent!"

:ohwell:

ahem.....sorry.





I'll just sit in the corner over here and bang my head against the wall
till something cracks open.

[neglet]

Omi has a good point: that if guys want "reproductive choice," they should choose to use a condom. If not, they should accept the financial consequences.

However, condoms break. If a paternity suit is brought, will a guy have to prove he used a condom in order to avoid paying? Can he prove he used it on the occasion that led to the pregnancy? Maybe guys should just have their partner sign a contract each time they have sex, saying that in exchange for him wearing a condom, the partner gives up all future rights to legal action against him. Yeah, I can really picture that.

Or maybe people should just grow up and accept responsibility for their actions, whether intended or not.

[kah]

very interesting. I thought they would refer to cases where men have been forced to pay child support for pregnancies resulting from sperm donations or even after they were proved to not be the father of the child.



Like This (http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-paternity12.html) or this? (http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_1571037.html)

[Asonokirk V 2.0]

Sorry, but I have no sympathy for this idiot. You have unprotected sex, you risk pregnancy or worse, no matter WHAT your partner tells you. I mean, D'UH!

This case is ludicrous in the sense that if a man inserts his penis in a woman's vagina without any protection he's taking his chances, and trying to skate out of the consequences is irresponsible, dishonorable, and immature.

[Bill_the_Pony]

W.W.T.C.D.? :(


Quick everybody, let's all run en masse to Tom Cruises' front porch and wait to hear from him! :o

[kah]

I can see both sides of this. On the woman's side- she is going to be raising this kid for the rest of its life, with or without the father, and to do so without any help would drive her directly into poverty. On the man's side- they only dated for a few months, and now because NEITHER of them used protection, he is going to be paying for child for the next 18 years. I have known way too many women who got pregnant on purpose, either by tampering with condoms, or lying about the pill, or telling men they were sterile. Oftentimes, they weren't even in a relationship with the men when they became pregnant, having a one-night stand, or engaging in booty-calls, and hoping to get pregnant so they could have someone to love(baby) and have someone else fork over 17% of their paycheck to help support them. Or they were just completely irresponsible, and had to have DNA tests done because they couldn't pin down which of several men they'd had sex with that month or that week when they became pregnant.

On the other hand, men are just as much to blame, spreading their seed indiscriminately, and choosing to believe that their one-night stand, or even their short-term girlfriend was actually on the pill. Or, that women can't get pregnant after that ONE time.

I think they share the responsibility equally, but having the option of abortion takes away the right of the father, and I don't think that is fair. If a woman doesn't want a child, she can choose to have an abortion. If a father doesn't want to have a child, it is up to the mother, because the child is in her body, so he is required to pay for that child for 18 years. If the father wants the child and the mother doesn't, it is still the mother's choice because the child is in her body, so she can have an abortion regardless of the father's wishes. (disclaimer: I am against abortion as a form of birth control)

I think this guy should pay, because if you want to play, you have to pay the consequences, should there be any. I just think the fathers should be entitled to an equal say in the life of their child.

[DaForce]

See, now none of this would be a problem if women just listened to men as God intended.























I kid, I kid.















Please don't hurt me.

[kah]

~cracks her knuckles and starts taking off her earrings~

It's going to be awhile. Why don't you go join the foodfight, and I'll catch up to you there?

[padawan66]

Man is and has enjoyed all of the sanctions they decide to place on a woman's worth and carrying a life is our only REAL freedom. Women who become "overwhelmed with anger" are 'emotional' while the man is acting 'courageously.' Pay, promotion, sports, sex, you name it and it is there, obvious oppressions still visible today, when the man has leveled the field to include women and by doing so, showing respect and acknowledgment of equal importance, then their opinion of abortion could be seen as one of geniune concern.

Worthy of notation because in every other respect, women are regarded the same as their fellow man and the concern is not just another ploy to show off the male ego that feels it must control every single thing around them. Just because a man or young man feels he is at the time well-equipped and able to raise a human life well should not obligate the woman too as well if she has determined that she is not. Especially when it is within her means to either proceed or end the pregnancy as it is her own body.

Men obligated to do this are facing a forced situation, but knows he does not really have to be there. Many families in America today are single-parented because of this disregard to their obligation. Responsibilities remain in the thought before hand. Thinking about the quality of life the child would have if the pregnancy is carried out. Forcing any person into parenthood will effect in some way the quality of acceptance as this was not a "wanted" pregancy. The children suffer and instead of making it about a "man's" right, shouldn't we be taking into account above all else that the children should come first. A child should not have to live his life knowing that one of his or her own mother or father did not want them brought into this life for one reason or another.


Mature decisions should be made and as they are not happening at the time of conception, or accidents had occured there are still other avenues of mature decisions to be made at further stages. With our technology we are able to spare this new life of the kind of rejection he or she did not deserve. Let love occur because the mother and father have agreed that this is exactly what they want. Single parented families are not all horrible, but there is still a longing, however silent and unrecognizeable, a child's dream of a mommy and daddy.

[Queen Mae]

Could you, maybe, go back and separate that into paragraphs?

Thanks.

[KingVoyeur]

Thought this was interesting.

Sex Cues Ruin Men's Decisiveness (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4921690.stm)

So basically: Men, whenever you're making a big deal with someone, trot out a half-naked woman. You'll get whatever the hell you want!

[Bark]

On the contrary, sex cues heighten men's decisiveness: Men want sex!

[Emperor Norton]

Thought this was interesting.

Sex Cues Ruin Men's Decisiveness (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4921690.stm)

So basically: Men, whenever you're making a big deal with someone, trot out a half-naked woman. You'll get whatever the hell you want!

Well, duh. I didn't need a scientific study to tell me this. That's why most sales meetings end up at strip clubs :)