Horcrux Theories and Questions

[DarkJedi]

Okay, I've been wondering quite a bit on this one in terms of the books.

I know there's a theory out there from fans that each book contains a Horcrux but I don't know how much faith I have in that theory.

Another question on this whole story arc is how the heck Harry going to destroy the Horcruxes when he finds them? I believe all that was said was that Dumbledore had the horcrux from the Ring destroyed with the helpful timing and assistance from Severus Snape.

Obviously, Snape isn't going to be there to help Harry destroy future Horcruxes. Dumbledore certainly isn't going to be there. :(

Hermione said that written research on Horcruxes would be next to impossible due to the sensitive nature of the subject...I'm sure there are people out there knowledgable on it like Slughorn but Harry made a promise not to tell anyone outside his 3 posse gang(Not even Minerva which I don't agree with.)

The promise of secrecy kinda hurts the option of Harry finding someone and asking that someone on Destruction of Horcruxes.

I'm just having a hard time seeing how Harry is going to see this to the end without Dumbledore or Snape's assistance. Especially Dumbledore.

Here's what we know on the Horcruxes too:


Book 2: The diary
Book 4: Nagini
Book 5: Salazar's locket--Speculation(the locket in Kreacher's cupboard)
Book 6: The ring and Ravenclaw's cup.


The last horcrux being Voldemort himself of course.

We also know it's not Godric Gryffindor's sword.

There was mention of Ravenclaw's Wand in Ollivanders shop in the first book... I'm not sure if that's one. We know Ollivander went missing between Book 5 and Book 6 so maybe that wand is a horcrux but I doubt it.

The question remains:

1.What are the remaining Horcruxes?
2. Why did Voldemort choose them?
3. How is Harry, Hermione, and Ron going to destroy the Horcruxes.

Any ideas?

[Magell]

How do you know Snape won't help him destroy the horcruxes?

That assumes that Snape is actually evil which I'm not confident he is.

[DarkJedi]

Well, I'm not even sure if Snape is evil myself....I believe he's just looking out for himself and will pick whichever looks like the winning side.

I doubt, however, he will be on Harry's direct side throughout the first half of the book where I think they'll be trying to locate and destroy the horcruxes...

[neglet]

Possible horcruxes
Book 2: The diary
Book 4: Nagini
Book 5: Salazar's locket--Speculation(the locket in Kreacher's cupboard)
Book 6: The ring and Ravenclaw's cup. Actually, Hufflepuff's. --N.

The last horcrux being Voldemort himself of course.

We also know it's not Godric Gryffindor's sword.

There was mention of Ravenclaw's Wand in Ollivanders shop in the first book... I'm not sure if that's one. We know Ollivander went missing between Book 5 and Book 6 so maybe that wand is a horcrux but I doubt it.

Actually, Ravenclaw's wand could be a horcrux. There are only six horcruxes, and Dumbledore has theorized that Voldemort will take one from each of the Hogwarts founders. The fifth we know is Marvolo's ring, the sixth is speculated to be Nagini. That means that each founder has only one item to be used as a horcrux. For Slytherin we have the locket and for Hufflepuff we have the cup (both missing); that leaves only an item from Gryffindor and one from Ravenclaw to be identified.

I'll bet that Hermione comes up with the research to identify one if not both of these final horcruxes, the little smarty.

[DarkJedi]

Thanks for the correction on Hufflepuff's cup. I realized the mistake but never corrected it in time.

The thing about the wand that has my doubts is that it's purely speculation that it is Ravenclaws and even if it was, what was said was that Voldemort chose them because of their connection to the Hogwarts history but they were mainly non-magical also.

It just seems to me the use of a wand(it's powers) would make hiding a horcrux in it very difficult.

Ollivander may have been kidnapped or coaxed out of his shop mainly due to the fact that Voldemort found out about his wand and Potters wand having the same exact core. He may have wanted more information about this particular fact and got poor Ollivander himself.

He may have got Fortunescae(sp?) along with Ollivander because the pyscho likes Ice cream. :D

It's also still a rumor that the locket in Kreachers Cupboard is still a horcrux or even that one.

Mainly because whomever R.A.B is(Regulus?) says in the note:

To the Dark Lord

I know I will be dead long before you read this but I want you to know it was I who discovered your secret. I have stolen the real Horcrux and intend to destroy it as soon as I can. I face death in the hope that when you meet your match, you will be mortal once more.

R.A.B


Sounds like he would have destroyed in one way or another before ever returning to Grimwauld and laying it down somewhere where Kreacher could find it..

Unless he was intercepted by Bellatrix and she was the one who brought the horcrux home to Grimwauld where Kreacher found it.



The diary(gone)....the ring(gone)...the locket...the cup....the snake.......What else.

[neglet]

Sounds like he would have destroyed in one way or another before ever returning to Grimwauld and laying it down somewhere where Kreacher could find it..

Unless he was intercepted by Bellatrix and she was the one who brought the horcrux home to Grimwauld where Kreacher found it.

You forget, though, that "destroying the horcrux" does not have to involve actual destruction of the item that is containing part of Voldemort's soul. Harry destroyed the horcrux contained in Tom Riddle's diary, but the book itself survived; at the end of CoS he returned it to Lucius Malfoy with a dirty sock in it, thus freeing Dobby.

So it is entirely possible that "RAB" was Regulus A. Black, that he destroyed the horcrux and left the locket at the Black household, where Kreacher hoarded it. I would suspect that book 7 might open with Harry exploring the Black house and discovering this relationship.

If so, the real question is: was Regulus Black actually killed, and even if he was, what did he manage to do against the Dark Lord before his death?

I still think the last two horcruxes will be related to Ravenclaw and Gryffindor, we just don't know what they are yet.

[Jarl]

Could Harry be a Horcrux?
I mean, the scar is explained as being many MANY MANY things of extreme importance to both of them, so is it possible that the part of Voldemort transferred to Harry upon using the AK curse was, in fact, part of his soul?

-Or would that be too Campbellian?

[KingVoyeur]

Could Harry be a Horcrux?
I mean, the scar is explained as being many MANY MANY things of extreme importance to both of them, so is it possible that the part of Voldemort transferred to Harry upon using the AK curse was, in fact, part of his soul?

That would be very twisted of Rowling, but I think that Voldemort's first attack on Harry was real. Besides, until he was reborn in GoF, wasn't Voldemort unable to even touch Harry? How would his soul survive?

[Jarl]

Good point. It might be *too* much for him.

-So, the Horcruxes... dunno.

[ladymurasaki]

I assumed after the last book that Harry was a horcrux. But I don't think he'll die. I'm thinking Rowling will do more of a Philip Pullman type thing where just part of Harry will have to be destroyed -- perhaps the part that is capable of magic -- and then he will have to leave all the Wizards behind to live seperately. This would be sad, of course, but I do see her giving us a bittersweet ending.

[Belledame]

Harry can't be the horcrux. It takes a specific set of steps to create one and Voldemort did nothing more than cast the killing curse on Harry. Voldemort had no opportunity to conceal a piece of his soul within Harry.

Is there such a thing as a magical part of Harry? The books establish wizardry as innate, a part of a person's DNA like height or hair color. It would not be possible to remove this from Harry. It might be possible to bind it, but that all seems to easy. I think both Harry and Voldemort will receive the same thing: obscurity. Harry would love to be released from his own legend and Voldemort would hate to be marginalized and forgotten in Azkaban.

[ladymurasaki]

Is there such a thing as a magical part of Harry? The books establish wizardry as innate, a part of a person's DNA like height or hair color. It would not be possible to remove this from Harry. It might be possible to bind it, but that all seems to easy. I think both Harry and Voldemort will receive the same thing: obscurity. Harry would love to be released from his own legend and Voldemort would hate to be marginalized and forgotten in Azkaban.

That's a far more eloquent way of putting what I hastily scrabbled together. So, yes, I'm guessing that Harry ends up obscure in some way . . . which I interpre to mean as losing his powers in some way. Or maybe not. And no, it doesn't make sense on reflection that a "part" of Harry is magic and a part is not. But I wouldn't be surprised if lost some aspect of his powers . . . and then marched on to adulthood.

Or maybe this is a completely looney theory, and in an effort to join in the discussion, I've made a fool of myself, which I can accept. But in any case, I hope the new book comes out soon, though not until she's good and ready to send it to the printer, of course.

[DarkJedi]

lol Lady, you didnt make a fool of yourself. Actually, this theory is a pretty good one considering that JK Rowling has publicly said that the last word in the series and last word of Book 7 will be "scar".

It could be something along the lines of Harry realizing he no longer had to worry about being "abnormal" and no longer having that "scar". (the scar could dissapear when the curse is broken, when Voldie is dead)

[Belledame]

Yeah, Lady M, you can't make a fool of yourself here. If Voldemort were definitively wiped out then Harry would be released from the "boy who lived" hoopla by virtue of his no longer being needed.

Wild speculation is wonderful but after a while it becomes too much. I have no idea what "scar" could mean. It could mean no one even notices Harry's scar anymore. Or it nolonger hurts him.

[Rebelwolf]

I'm still fairly sure that Harry is a horcrux even after reading those arguments.

First, to answer one point, there was only one survivor of the attack on the Potters, Harry, were there any other witnesses? It doesn't sound it. Voldemort was a powerful wizard, he had already murdered that night, say he had just a moment to realise that his killing spell would harm him instead, could he have finished the spell? We weren't told too much about it.

There's two main reasons i think that Harry might just be it, firstly, the fact that Voldemort transferred some of his power across to Harry (eg, Parceltongue), in my mind, a 'killing' spell should not be able to do that, it has one purpose, to kill. The curse backfired and hit Voldemort, that still doesn't suggest how such a power transfer could take place from the Avada Kedavra curse.

The second point is the scar. Victims of the curse die unmarked, why should that change now? Dumbledore said that it came from surviving the curse, i believe, but he hasn't always been quite honest with Harry, when the person is killed and left unmarked, why should they be marked for surviving? Also, there is the shape, we're told a lightning bolt, but what else does the shape remind you of? Perhaps something torn? The making of a horcrux is the tearing apart of a soul.

I don't know, just a random thought.

[college_boy]

I have to agree with rebelwolf. I believe harry is the last horcrux because of rebelwolf's input and remember when dumbeldore told harry about nagini? He said that voldemort put part of his soul into nagini.<duh> but in order of the phoenix harry has a dream where he is nagini<or sees what nagini saw>. This can only be done with a common conection between the snake and harry. Plus in j.k. Rowlings . "IM" interview with the public someone asked about the significance of harry's eyes<or the color of them>. She saild that she couldn't tell us but to look for the answer in the 7th book. That is why I believe harry is the last horcrux. It even matches the prophecy. "Not one can live while the other survives" thus harry<being a horcrux> must die to vanquish voldemort. . ... Whew!