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This thing was a fiasco from the get-go, from ill chosen policy violating principles we say we believe in as a nation, to policy based on fantasies entertained by the policy makers and lies foisted on the public.

But we are there and a pullout at this point would be more disasterous than sticking it out longer and trying to make it work.

Timetables? No. Benchmarks? Yes!

Light a fire under the fat asses of the Iraqi Parliamentarians who wanted to vacation for a month while there was a war on, with Americans and their own people dying in the street daily.

Talk about your devil and the deep blue sea. We must try to make this work. But never forget the no good bastards who got us here and the no good policy they got us into.