Game of Thrones: VALAR MORGHULIS Review Comments -


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isgrimner 6/6/2012 9:47:46 AM

violator - I don't know exactly what percentage from the books correlate to the series. Basically one book to one season so far, but the seasons have a lot less than a 100% of the books, they are understandably abridged. But at least in a few instances you get a little more from the series, for instance at this point in the books there was never a Rob point of view so I actually like Rob a little better. In the books, you only saw Rob through other characters point of view up to this point. I don't think its a big spoiler to say the first book/season the book point of view characters were Bran, Jon, Arya, Sansa, Catelyn, Ned, Tyrion, Daenerys and the Prologue was seen through NW deserter Gered's eyes. The second book continued these POV characters (except Ned) and added a couple more as did each subsequent book up till book five. Apparently the books will not get any new POV characters in the final two books, but I guess Martin could change his mind.

The third book is even bigger than the first two, and I had heard it might be split into two seasons. I didn't know it was confirmed to be split yet though, as Epitome stated it. They've also pushed some characters/scenes from the second book back to next season. Those characters have been due to the early casting news have revealed. So it makes sense on splitting the next book up over two seasons. Though the finale of the first split may turn out to not be a standard cl season finale depending on how they split it.
If they get the series to continue to where they are adapting the 4th book, I think they are going to have to combine parts of the 4th and 5th book over at least two seasons.

MrJawbreakingEquilibrium 6/6/2012 11:04:50 AM

I don't know what the show's going to be like when Peter Dinklage is gone.  You know because it turns out he's a Faceless Man and that they can also change sizes and he transforms into a Ned Stark lookalike.  That's going to be crazy.

momitchell7 6/6/2012 2:40:50 PM

Okay, I know I'm a bit late to the party, but I was just able to watch the season finale yesterday... A lot of my questions have been answered through skimming the comments, but one thing that I didn't quite understand was why Jon Snow killed the other Night'swatchmen? At first I thought they were just doing another diversion - they both had swords and I thought could have easily taken out the small Wildling group - when Snow throttled him I was like "What?!"


Can't wait for the next season! The season's seem so far apart, but then I thought about how similar it is to having to wait a year between each LOTR movie, the Harry Potter movies, etc... the big difference being that GOT is 10 hours, over ten weeks, rather than a 2.5 hour movie over 2.5 hours!

Wiseguy 6/6/2012 3:54:08 PM

To be honest I wasn't sure either momitchell. Th assumption we made here was that it was to avoid the impending torture or slow death. Igrette I believe did say that if they were captured they'd be lucky to have their heads chopped off, meaning a quick death. I can only guess at the alternative. Lucky for Jon they think he may be useful

I'm giving it a little time to breathe and sink in before re-watching the whole series thanks to HBOGO and on-demand

Epitome 6/6/2012 5:17:20 PM

momitchell7 that was the part that was handled poorly in the show. The way it played out in the books: half dozen men including halfhand and jon went to scout for wildlings, the bulk of the wildings found them and the nightswatch scouts began to lose one man at a time, one cool part not mentioned was where a nightswatchman gave up his life to climb up on a cliff to destory many (unknown how many) wildings because he was badass with a bow. One was sent ahead back to the watchmen on the fist of the first men (where Mormont and the 300 black brothers are about to be attacked at the end of the episode). That left the Halfhand who is believed to be the biggest baddass in all the knightswatch and Jon. They go underneath a mountain through a cave to lose the wildlings because one of them can see through eyes of an eagle (worg, not introduced in the show yet but Bran is starting to do it with his wolf Summer). The last night in the cave the halfhand told jon that if they are caught he needs to forgo his vows and join with the wildings to spy on them, and to not balk no matter what they ask of him.

So, when the get through the mountain they find the eagle perched waiting for them on the other side along with rattleshirt (guy wearing all the bones) and several dozen wildling raiders. Jon did as the halfhand asked and said he wished to leave the nightswatch and join them, the Halfhand cursed at Jon, calling him a bastard, etc (even though it is what he wanted Jon truely to do). To prove that Jon meant it Rattleshirt demanded he kill the halfhand...Jon hesitated but the halfhand attacked him (and could have easily killed Jon 100 times over) until Jon's direwolf ghost bit into the Halfhand's calf, at the same time Jon was swinging at the Halfhand's neck with Longclaw (valarian steel, extremely sharp shit). The blade left such a fine but 1 inch deep cut in the halfhands throat you didn't know he had cut him, till the halfhand cursed how sharp it was then collapse dead. 

My explanation is not near as dramatic as in the book but you really feel for what he had to go through and you respect the few men, especially the halfhand far more than you do watching the show.  I suggest nonreaders grab the audiobooks.  I can't read the books anymore, I only listen to them, about 5 times in a row.  The narrator happens to be the pyomancer in the show (Roy Dotrice).  At least listen to the ones up to where the show is at.

Wiseguy 6/7/2012 8:07:02 AM

Yeah that sounds too awesome. I can see that regardless of how good an adaptation the series is it still doesn't match the books just from that short sequence.

isgrimner 6/7/2012 8:10:18 AM

Expanding on what Epitome said, prior to those events Jon and his crew also did take Ygritte's group.  Jon actually killed Ygritte's husband/lover and was about to kill her when he found out she was a woman and he asked her to yield.  The rest of the party wanted her to be killed because they couldn't take her with them and didn't trust her not to alert other Wildlings.  So they did leave Jon to do the deed, but similar to the show he didn't.  However in the books Jon actually did let her go.   Ygritte also told a Wildling tale of Winterfell to the group while she was still in captivety with them recounting a Wildling named Bael the Bard who used to sneak in and out of Winterfell on a regular basis.  I don't know if that tale will be in the series or not.  I could see it still being told by another character next season, so I don't think I'll go into any detail. 

momitchell7 6/7/2012 10:45:36 AM

Thanks so much Epitome and Isgrimner - you went WAY above and beyond with your explanations - I appreciate it!

Man, it would totally make sense to do 90 minute episodes - they are having to cram so much into each episode, it's no wonder they're having to leave so much out.

violator14 6/7/2012 12:24:07 PM

hey now that Bronn has been relieved as the guard of the city, check out what he's been up to!

Youtube- "Robson & Jerome - Up On The Roof "

Epitome 6/7/2012 5:33:11 PM

Wow!  I had no idea he was a singer.  Epic, thanks for the recommendation violator14.

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