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Hollywood Writers and Mainstream Acceptance

By: Kurt Amacker
Date: Wednesday, April 11, 2007

Greetings, Comicscape faithful, and welcome to another edition of Wednesday weirdness.  My friend and confidante, D.C. Harbold of New Orleans’s More Fun Comics, inadvertently gave me the idea for this week’s column.  He remarked that a lot of readers had dropped Wonder Woman from their pull-lists.  Not only that, but he’d heard that other shops experienced the same thing.  We wondered if it had anything to do with Will Pfeifer’s fill-in issue – Wonder Woman beats up abusive husband – but I decided to look into the issue.  Lo and behold, I hadn’t paid attention very well in the past year to the huge delays plaguing Wonder Woman and DC’s decision to just change writers and postpone the conclusion of Allan Heinberg’s arc indefinitely.  After considering the move by DC, it occurred to me that the comic industry increasingly favors writers from other mediums for their immediate draw, both comic readers and not.  Like Rodney Dangerfield, the major publishers of American comics think they can’t get no respect.  Above all else, Marvel and DC want mainstream culture to accept comics in the same way that it accepts film, television, music, and books – not as a niche medium, but one that practically everyone enjoys.  Part of the industry’s clamor for that respectability includes hiring writers from other mediums.  From novelists such as Greg Rucka and Brad Meltzer; to television writers like Joss Whedon and Allan Heinberg; to actors like Thomas Jane and Bruce Campbell; and even musicians like Rob Zombie, the industry greets outside talent warmly for its instant marquee value.  But, the use of those writers raises a number of issues that we should explore. 

No one doubts the value of an established name.  When someone like Rob Zombie or Joss Whedon writes a comic, the publisher knows that some readers will buy the title on name recognition alone.  More than that, they really hope that recognition will compel new readers to try comics for the first time.  And yet, a television writer has yet to send the publishing arm of the comics industry soaring through the subterranean levels of fandom and into living rooms, placed comfortably next to TV Guide.  When Marvel announced that Joss Whedon would write Astonishing X-Men, everyone thought that viewers of Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Angel would flock to comic shops.  Of course, they didn’t – at least not at the hoped-for levels.  I hardly mean that as a stab at Whedon.  He remains one of the few television writers with a recognizable name outside of hardcore fandom, and probably the only one I would expect to sell comics to non-fans.  And, like other high profile projects with “outsider appeal” like Batman: The Dark Knight Strikes Again and The Dark Tower: The Gunslinger Born, Astonishing X-Men sold well initially and still moves respectably.  But, it didn’t instantly open the golden gates of mainstream acceptance.  

Trade paperbacks facilitate a much longer shelf life for comics than in years past, so I might be assessing The Dark Tower prematurely (which, I realize, Peter David scripted, and not Stephen King).  But, publishers understandably want a “magic bullet” that will instantly make everyone see comics as more than children’s literature.  Writers from other mediums doubtless look like a shortcut to that goal, but I’ve yet to see anything convince me that it really works.  When talent with marquee value from other mediums writes comics, it generates buzz within the industry.  A few non-fans might check it out.  But, comics by outsider talent usually just fade into the shelf, important mostly to fans of the established characters and those readers already enamored with that writer’s other work.  Most people outside of comic fandom simply fail to make the connection between “the Buffy guy” and Marvel Comics, even if it lands on CNN.  Most people only know the most prominent names in music, film, television, and writing.  Everyone knows Tom Cruise, but ask ten randomly selected people if they know about Kevin Smith.  At most, a couple will.  Stephen King remains a household name.  But, ask your mother who Chuck Palahniuk is.  Hell, if everyone that listened to Glenn Danzig or Rob Zombie collectively bought even a single issue of their comics, it would amaze the industry.  Granted, neither constitutes the most popular rock acts on the planet (at least not anymore), but the numbers of records they’ve sold over time rivals the sales of even the most popular titles from the last few years.  But, most people simply refuse to cross the line with comics, even if they recognize the writer from elsewhere.    

I think we can agree that no publisher will fire the “magic bullet” anytime soon with a television or film writer, let alone an actor or a rock star.  I hardly mean to denigrate anyone’s writing based on their primary occupation.  They may create amazing comics, but the public rarely cares.  Thus far, it seems the only thing close to magic bullets come from major events with stories – or, at least, ideas – so interesting that fans rally to them alongside lapsed readers that have come back to see what all the fuss is about.  Civil War and Captain America #25 sold well because Marvel accompanied their releases with a media blitz.  In those cases, the stories affected cultural icons so prominent that no one could ignore them – namely, Spider-Man’s unmasking and the death of Captain America.  DC garnered similar attention with the deaths of Jason Todd and Superman.  I suppose you have to kill someone for press.  Granted, The Dark Tower grabbed its share of mainstream attention, but Civil War #7, which came out the same month, still outsold it by almost 94,000 copies.  I don’t know for sure if those numbers would look any different had Stephen King scripted series, but I suspect they wouldn’t. 

In the worst case, these television or screen writers new to comics find themselves caught between schedules and unable to deliver scripts in a timely manner.  Whedon lagged on Astonishing X-Men for a long time before hitting a regular bimonthly schedule in 2006 and resuming monthly publication for September through November of that year.  And, another issue hasn’t surfaced since.  Allan Heinberg, a writer on Grey’s Anatomy and The O.C., began Young Avengers in April of 2005 and the relaunched Wonder Woman in June of 2006.  Because of constant delays, Marvel rescheduled Young Avengers from an ongoing series to a “season,” with the third arc curtailed by two issues and ending at issue #12.  After only four issues of Wonder Woman in eight months – the series launched as monthly and was then rescheduled as bimonthly – DC elected to postpone the fifth and final installment of Heinberg’s arc and leave the story unfinished.  Will Pfeifer wrote the aforementioned fifth issue as a standalone story, completely detached from the events of the previous four issues.  Supposedly, Heinberg’s final installment will appear as a special at some point.  But, DC had to keep the book on schedule in time for Jodi Picoult’s tie-in issues for Amazons Attack.  While we’re at it, Kevin Smith took a three-year break in between the third and fourth issues of Spider-Man/Black Cat: The Evil That Men Do.  Richard Donner’s run on Action Comics with Geoff Johns has dragged on for a few months now as well, postponed by an admittedly touching filler issue by Dwayne McDuffie – one that occurs in the background of the current arc.   

I mean no personal attacks toward any of these writers.  I don’t doubt they already work a great deal and have little time for other projects outside of their main focus.  But, everyone knows that, as periodicals, comics usually come out monthly or bimonthly, or at least on a set schedule.  Despite the industry’s increased tolerance of delays of months or even years, readers still expect titles to come out on time.  Plenty of professional comic writers fall in this trap as well. Six months have passed since the first issue of Grant Morrison’s Wildcats.  The final issue of Warren Ellis’s Planetary has yet to see print after the book moved from monthly to quarterly to whenever.  The same goes for Mark Millar’s Ultimates 2.  But, whether industry professional or outside talent, the solution remains the same: finish the issues before soliciting them.  If a television or screen writer wants to try his hand at comics, the publisher should first ask for an original graphic novel with a deadline attached. 

I should recognize those outside and former outside talents that, much like the Borg, the comic industry has assimilated.  Brad Meltzer and Greg Rucka started as novelists and have gained recognition as comic writers.  Meltzer still pens the occasional novel and has even worked in television during his career in comics.  Reginald Hudlin serves as president of Black Entertainment Television and still turns in Black Panther on time.  Bruce Campbell finished his adaptation of The Man with the Screaming Brain for Dark Horse on schedule, as well.  It can work.  I understand that everyone’s busy, but no writer should lead a publisher and its readership to expect a regular series, only to drag the entire affair out over months or years.  Many readers simply drop delayed titles and it makes the industry look unprofessional.  If the comic industry wants mainstream acceptance, calling attention to itself with outside writers and then allowing for inexcusable delays won’t help. 

The Spinner Rack

By Ben Johnson and Kurt Amacker   

DARK HORSE COMICS  

Blade Of The Immortal #124 (MR) $2.99 

BPRD Garden Of Souls #2 (of 5) $2.99 

Conan & The Midnight God #3 (of 5) $2.99

Ben: I don’t much care for Sword and Sorcery, but this has been a great series thus far.

Kurt: And thanks to 30 years of heavy metal, Dark Horse will never run out of titles for Conan miniseries. 

Star Wars Knights Of The Old Republic #15 $2.99 
 

DC COMICS 

52 Week #49 $2.50

Kurt: I should really get caught up on this. 

All Star Superman #7 $2.99

Ben: Finally!

Kurt: Speaking of delays, here we go.  Oh, well – it’s brilliant anyway. 

All Star Superman VOL 1 HC $19.99 

Batman Strikes #32 $2.25 

Cartoon Network Action Pack #12 $2.25 

Claw The Unconquered TP $17.99 

Crisis Aftermath The Spectre TP $12.99 

Densha Otoko Vol 3 $9.99 

Fables #60 (MR) $2.99 

Friday The 13th #5 (MR) $2.99

Ben: A New Beginning (How you like them apples?)

Kurt: We’re going to kill this joke until the tenth issue.  I can see that now. 

Gen 13 #7 $2.99

Ben: Gail Simone and Alvin Lee – The Deadpool team getting back together is a wonderful thing. 

Green Arrow #73 $2.99 

Green Lantern Corps #11 $2.99 

Grifter Midnighter #2 (of 6) $2.99 

JLA Classified #37 $2.99 

Justice League Of America 3rd PTG #1 $3.99 

Loveless #17 (MR) $2.99 

Mad Kids #7 $4.99

Kurt: What you get when you throw their PS3 out of the second-story window. 

Mad Magazine #477 $3.99 

Rush City #6 (of 6) $2.99

Ben: I hate everything about this comic.

Kurt: I haven’t even read it, and I agree.   

Sandman Mystery Theatre Sleep Of Reason #5 (of 5) (MR) $2.99 

Sandman Mystery Theatre VOL 5 Dr Death TP (MR) $19.99 

Stormwatch PHD #6 $2.99 

Tales Of The Unexpected #7 (of 8) $3.99 

Teen Titans #45 $2.99 

Tenjho Tenge VOL 13 $9.99 

Trials Of Shazam #6 (of 12) $2.99

Ben: We’ll let you off with a fine this time, but remember, just because it’s consensual doesn’t make it legal.

Kurt: Are you sure you really want to lay down the law with Captain Marvel?  I mean, think about this for a minute. 

Wonder Woman #7 $2.99

Kurt: Wow, look what picked up steam. 

IMAGE COMICS 

After The Cape #2 (of 3) $2.99

Ben: The first one was good enough to warrant continued purchase, but just barely.

Kurt: After the cape, comes the pants. 

Battle Pope VOL 3 TP Pillow Talk (MR) $12.99 

Bomb Queen III #2 (of 4) (MR) $3.50

Ben: Seriously? This is one of the worst books out. 

Dynamo 5 #2 $3.50

Brian K. Vaughn: "DYNAMO 5 is the perfect execution of an idea I really wish I had thought of.  Out of the gate, this is already one of the best superhero books on the stands”

Ben: How much does it cost to get BKV to lie for you? 

Fell #8 (RES) $1.99 

Ferro City VOL 1 TP $15.99 

Frank Frazettas Death Dealer #1 (MR) $3.99

Frank Frazetta: Psst, hey kid, you ever tried death before?  First one’s free.

Kurt: I think I’ll have to pick this up. 

Nightly News #5 (of 6) $2.99 

MARVEL COMICS 

Amazing Spider-Girl #7 $2.99 

Blade #8 $2.99

Ben: Is anyone else reading this?  It kinda kicks ass.

Kurt: Yeah, but just kinda.  I think I’m going to drop it.  E-Bay, here I come. 

Civil War TP $24.99 

Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man 2nd PTG VAR #17 (Pp #758) $2.99

Ben: You have got to be f****** kidding me. 

Ghost Rider #10 $2.99

Ben: I couldn’t come up with anything this week so fill in the appropriate insults: Ghost Rider can _____ my ______ and then ______ my _______.

Kurt: Dude, why the hate for the flaming skeleton on the motorcycle?  I mean, the movie sucked, but still. 

Heroes For Hire VOL 1 Civil War TP $13.99 

Iron Man #16 $2.99 

Iron Man 2nd PTG De La Torre VAR #15 $2.99 

Legion Of Monsters Man-Thing #1 $2.99

Ben: Who doesn’t love them some Man-Thing? 

Kurt: Um, I don’t.  I like, you know, Woman-Thing.  Get me? 

Loners #1 (of 6) $2.99 

Marvel Adventures Fantastic Four #23 $2.99 

Marvel Adventures FF VOL 5 All 4 One 4 For All Digest TP $6.99 

Marvel Illustrated Jungle Book $2.99

Ben: Are these Marvel Illustrated books worth reading? 

Marvel Masterworks Invincible Iron Man VOL 4 New ED HC $54.99 

Marvel Masterworks Invincible Iron Man VOL 4 VAR Ed 77 $54.99 

Marvel Select Flip Magazine #24 $4.99 

Marvel Tales Flip Magazine #23 $4.99 

New Avengers #29 CWI $2.99 

New X-Men #37 $2.99 

New Universal #5 $2.99 

Nova #1 $2.99

Ben: I cannot believe I am excited for a series staring Nova.

Kurt: It is just Nova, or is it the Man Called Nova?  I want to distinguish, here. 

Punisher War Journal #6 $2.99

Kurt: Okay, I’m excited.  This book has turned out far better than it had any right to be. 

Sensational Spider-Man 2nd PTG Crain VAR #35 (Pp #758) $2.99 

Sensational Spider-Man Feral TP $13.99 

She-Hulk 2 #17 $2.99 

Spider-Man Back In Black Handbook $3.99

Kurt: Jesus, you must be joking. 

Spider-Man Family 2nd PTG Kirk VAR #1 (Pp #758) $4.99 

Spider-Man Fantastic Four #1 (of 4) $2.99 

Spider-Man Loves Mary Jane #17 $2.99

Kurt: He also loves horse and blow, and, occasionally, whip-its. 

Spider-Man Magazine $5.99 

Spider-Man Reign Premiere HC $19.99

Ben: I hope you all read this.  Good stuff. 

Thunderbolts #113 CWI $2.99 

Thunderbolts Tan VAR #113 $2.99 

Uncanny X-Men #485 $2.99

Kurt: Wow, this week seems to be an amazing flood of Ed Brubaker and Warren Ellis.  Yessir, things are looking up. 

White Tiger #5 (of 6) $2.99 

Wolverine Origins #13 $2.99

Ben: At least we know they’ll sell two copies.

Kurt: Damn right.  I don’t understand all the hate. 

Questions? Comments? Let us know what you think at comicscape@mania.com.

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SinisterPryde • Apr 11, 2007, 03:53am •
Hey, I like Wolverine: Origins as well. This is the title that made me change my mind about the character. Y'know, overexposed, overhyped, and, uninteresting. This Wolverine is closer to the one Claremont and Byrne depicted (or would have without the comics code at the time. Well, and Jim Shooter).

From experience, I can honestly say it is almost impossible to convert a non-comics fan. I tried some people out on Preacher and Sandman. They thought Preacher was too over the top and adolescent while touting Sandman as being too mired in its own pretentiousness. In these cases, they would not even consider reading Batman: Year One or the Dark Knight Returns (despite being fans of the movies). So, I don't know what that says, but there you go!

smegforbrain • Apr 11, 2007, 07:49am •
It's interesting that you mention Peter David because, while he's not currently working in TV, the guy writes so many comics and novels that I swear he never sleeps.

Just recently he's had Fallen Angel, X-Factor, Friendly Neighborhood Spidey, the 1602: FF & Wonder Man minis, Spidey 3 novelization, an upcoming Star Trek novel, and an upcoming original novel.

And the best part? No freakin' delays with his work! :)

I just remembered: wasn't there supposed to be another volume of Ultimate Iron Man from Card?

nax37 • Apr 11, 2007, 08:22am •
Yeah there was.

Also, remember Ultimate Hulk Vs. Wolverine?

Merin • Apr 11, 2007, 11:58am •
Delays due to writers are almost inexcusable - the only legitimate excuse, IMO, is that the poor schmoe took too much onto his plate. A comic script is about the quickest, easiest thing to write there is - at least, I believe so. It is obviously far quicker and easier than a movie script or a novel, and I'd argue that a good short story or poem takes more time than a good comic script.

Artist delays are a bit more understandable, but only to a point.

I didn't realize that DC had several titles so far behind in their release schedule - I guess because Wonder Woman and Superman titles are not ones I normally buy. I knew of Astonishing's (and Fray's, to go back earlier) delays and the delays from Kevin Smith (I stopped buying his super-hero stuff about the time his HUGE delays started hitting) and sort of chalked that up to them being involved with tv shows and movies at the same time.

The problem here, though it is slowly changing I believe, is the general US public's view of comics (and video games, related.) Thanks to the success of super-hero movies, the comics are a little less stymied (plus the tossing out of the Comic's Code and an upsurge in popularity of indie and more dramatic, adult stories.) This will never translate into sales for super-hero comics, not really, because there's a prejudice amongst people that "once you grow up" you have to "put aside your fantasies" and accept the "cold harsh reality" we live in.

That concept, that ideal heroes are for children, that adults must instead like the reality of "everyone is flawed" and "sometimes you gotta be bad", is what will keep comics from becoming mainstream in the US.
At least, until either that attitude changes or the comic book industry ditches super-heroes entirely. The former is unlikely while sports are the "fantasy past-time" of so many, the latter all but suicide as it'll chop the existing customer base by at least half of those who prefer super-heroes to other stuff.

lister • Apr 11, 2007, 12:51pm •
The problem with Wonder Woman right now is that the story is a freaking mess. I would have pulled it from my pull list as well!

nax37 • Apr 11, 2007, 01:17pm •
Merin, do you have any experience writing a comic, movie, or television script? If not, it's fairly ignorant to claim writing a comic is obviously quicker and easier. If it was so easy, why don't writers who are solely comic book writers crack out dozens and dozens of scripts a month?

lister • Apr 11, 2007, 01:45pm •
nax, it's not such an ignorant claim as it was couched as an opinion.

Anyway, if you want to make the comparison solely between movie and TV scripts and comics, the Hollywood groupthink process is definitely a *much* harder obstacle for a creative writer to overcome than the medium of comics. Add in multiple writers on every TV show episode and multiple screenwriters and rewriters on every movie and it quickly gets out of hand.

Why don't comic book writers crank out dozens of scripts each month? They probably would if they were asked to!

kingvoyeur • Apr 11, 2007, 01:55pm •
I dropped Wonder Woman after #4 and the release F-up, and now I'm considering dropping Action Comics and Superman due to those delays as well. Honestly, if they have to delay something, I'd rather they not fill in with other stories, just not release anything. It's just too damn confusing, and if it's confusing to someone who reads comics regularly, think of how bad it would be for someone who's trying to jump in? No wonder they can't get new readers.

SinisterPryde • Apr 11, 2007, 02:00pm •
Well, I can honestly say from experience that it is much quicker to write a comic script than a screenplay. True, I am not a professional and have yet to have anything published or produced, but I have still written both. You can finish a comic script in a night if you weer so inclined (and depending on the amount of detail you put into the script). A screenplay, just by nature of its own length takes a bit more time but I guess you could do a reasonable first draft in a week. Of course, we're also talking about the difference between 16-20 pages and 120 pages.

Also, when talking about a television writer we have to assume they understand what deadline is. I've never written a television script, but I have to assume that a comic script is less restrictive and, therefore, less time consuming.

kgatchel • Apr 11, 2007, 02:32pm •
As an aspiring writer who's tried comic scripts and screenplays, comic scripts are easier to write. But that's assuming you're comparing an issue of a comic to a 120 page screenplay. And, still, that's a huge generalization.

As a former employee of a comic book shop, I can tell you that it's absolutely heartbreaking to tell someone their favorite comic book is delayed, especially if that's the only comic they buy or they traveled a long way to get it.

As a comic book fan, it sucks as well.

All this reminds me of how late Image comics were back in the 1990's, and I was told by those older than me that Camelot 3000 and Watchmen were months (if not, a full year) late as well. The problem with Image Comics was that they were so revolutionary at the time that people still bought them even if two issues came out a year. Only when sales are hurt dramatically, and they're hurting the devoted fans they still have, will things start to change. That, or there will be even more delays as the standard comic book just gets put straight into a tradepaperback.

And as much as I follow writers more than characters (for the most part) if I'm not interested in buying it when it's on the shelf, then it doesn't matter when it came in.

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