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Wiseguy 12/14/2009 12:23:30 PM

TK, Grey Dawn is the episode, when they try to take away old people's driving licenses

Cartman: Oh God, memorial services are sooo boring.

Kyle: You insensitive asshole, Cartman! Nine people died!

Cartman: Yeah, but like, eight of them were hippies. Mostly hippies go to farmer's markets. Mostly…

Wyldstaar 12/14/2009 2:08:58 PM

Sadly TK421, you are correct.  Gone with the Wind may be #1 of all time, but Titanic is in the #2 slot for worldwide in adjusted dollars.  If it makes you feel any better though, it's way back at #6 on the all time domestic list. On that list, it's- 1- Gone with the Wind, 2- Star Wars: A New Hope, 3- The Sound of Music, 4- E.T.: The Extra Terrestrial, 5- The Ten Commandments, and then 6- Titanic, barely squeaking past 7- Jaws.

keithdaniel 12/14/2009 2:20:19 PM

I'd go with Cameron. I am proud of him as a fellow Canadian and I feel that he's more accomplished not only as a director but also as a writer and producer. Jackson so far,has the LOTR trilogy and King Kong. He's also produced District 9. Cameron has the Terminator films,Aliens,The Abyss,True Lies and Titanic. Although Cameron could've been more active(as a director)since Titanic,he has still written and or produced other work like documentaries as well as the film Solaris,and the tv series Dark Angel. I also give Cameron credit for making the first Terminator($6-7million)and Aliens($18-19million)within a relatively reasonable and might I add SANE budget even for there time! Since the LOTR,Jackson has always had big budgets to play with. Spare me the Heavenly Creatures or Dead Alive arguements because those weren't as big as Terminator or Aliens! However,both are outstanding talents and extremely successful and I'm a fan of both of them. Having said that,I think as much as both have entertained and contributed to film history,I do have some criticism of both. First off,why is it neccessary to keep increasing the budget of virtually every big genre film that comes out? According to Wikipedia,Terminator 2:JD was made for $102million. True Lies was $110m,Titanic was $200m and now Avatar $300m. The common denominator here is Cameron! Jackson with each of his LOTR films costing $94-96m,and King Kong costing $207m.  Yes,in my view he along with Cameron deserve criticism for spending way too much on film budgets. Where will this go? In the future,will there be another film that'll top Avatar's budget? What about the next one after that? By that time,it will likely reach $400m or more! They are also both guilty of using excessive and expensive CGI and that's likely why their film budgets are so high. As fun as CGI can be,a sense of realism can be lost. My overall point is that it's fiscally irresponsible to keep overspending on film budgets because the more they spend,the more money they'll have to make back and in the future they may end up making less genre films because of their great expense. Matt,for you to say that a little film like "The Reader" is more Oscar worthy because you deem it superior is your opinion and you're entitled to it. However,next time you say something like that you should back it up with an intelligent arguement instead of being snotty if you're able to! Last time I checked,genre films have had much more of an impact on our culture like Star Wars,LOTR,ET,,2001,Alien,and The Exorcist than The Reader! Who the hell built the earliest success of Hollywood? Monster and horror films like King Kong,The Phantom of the Opera,the Dracula,Frankenstein,and Wolfman films just to name a few! Matt,perhaps you and the other snotballs of the Academy Awards should bear that in mind once in a while!  

keithdaniel 12/14/2009 2:28:12 PM

I forgot one point. District 9 was made for about $30 million and grossed over $200 million worldwide so I have to give some credit to Jackson for that because they could've spent way more and it looks like they have! That's my point,the studios can choose to reign themselves in by doing more with less and that way they can keep making many genre films and also make more money for themselves in the process.

Wiseguy 12/14/2009 3:20:54 PM

Keith, maybe I'm misunderstanding Matt's statement but to me it appears to be sarcasm. I THINK Matt agrees with me that the old farts that give out awards mostly prefer straight up dramas like I said before.

I also disagree with your opinion on budgets and cgi, especially when Cameron has done it it's usually ground breaking. Some people may not notice it cause sometimes the achievement is more technical than visual. But the first time around, because the r&d, it's always expensive but like any technology it becomes cheaper the more it is used and as even newer tech comes into play.

Perfect example is the cheap cgi we see in syfy's movie of the week. If we would've gotten that as kids we would've been jumping for joy. In 20 years what we see in AVATAR will be commonplace and possibly cheap effects. Matrix is another perfect example, what they did in that film they do now for commercials.Someone has to break through those walls and it's always going to be expensive the first time around. 

karas1 12/14/2009 4:01:04 PM

Titanic was a great film.  It had great actors, a great story and terrific FX.  If love stories aren't your cup of tea, then you probably won't like most of the film.  But you've gotta admit, the part where the ship sinks is way cool.

As for the bit where they don't ask her what became of the diamond, they probably assumed that after she found it in her pocket she sold it to finance her new life.  Even if they knew she had it on her, they wouldn't be entitled to it.  It was her property, not salvage.

Kara S

shac2846 12/14/2009 5:06:25 PM

I thought Matt's reader comment was suppose to be sarcastic. Did you even read the article or did you just skim through it because it sounded pretty obvious. The sarcasm I mean.

And you're right keith daniel genre movies have had a bigger impact but those movies you mentioned are really, really good. You're likely to get maybe two of those types of movies a year now, if your lucky. That's why I'm so phyched about Avatar. It is truly an event worth getting excited about. 

WarCry 12/14/2009 5:14:08 PM

TKay42One said:

"...Isn't it odd how the most expensive movies made seem to get worse and worse.....Terminator 2.....Waterworld....Titanic....."

That's not a very good sign for Avatar, is it?


I disagree with your assesment of Titanic, but that's OK, to each his own. My problem with it wasn't so much the movie itself, though. My problem was with the educational system in the US. Why? When sitting in the theatre watching the movie, toward the climactic scene, I actually heard someone gasp "Oh, my God! They're actually gonna let the ship sink???"

Of course, the same can be said when I saw Fellowship of the Rings. When it ended, someone was just pissed. "That's it? What about the rest of the story???"


As for Cameron vs Jackson, are we counting producer-credits, or just directorials. Because if Strange Days is thrown in the mix, my decision goes to Cameron hands down, no questions at all (great, underrated movie if you ask me).

ninjaBam 12/14/2009 10:05:49 PM

 Cameron all the way, with Aliens, Terminator 1 & 2,True Lies,Abyss &  I hate to say Titanic. (just cause felt more like a chick flick). I like Pete Jackson, but like a couple of you guys are implying, besides LotR trilogy there's not much else to watch. Although if Lucas were to  ever get off his ass & PRODUCE the last of the Star Wars trilogy, Jackson should be a Number 1 on his list( & mine) as director.

karas1 12/15/2009 5:17:59 AM

It wasn't a love triangle.  Rose's fieance never loved her, he wanted to posess her.  And she never loved him.  She was afraid of him and didn't want to marry him but felt trapped by financial circumstances.

Then she met Jack, a pauper who could offer her nothing in the way of material goods but who showed her that she didn't have to be afraid, that she could be the captain of her own destiny.

It was a movie about self actualization.  That's why it was so popular with women.  That and the fact that Leonardo DiCaprio is really hot.

It was also a movie about a giant boat sinking into the Atlantic.  You can't tell me the part where the ship goes down isn't cool.  Or that the part where the ship's corodors were filling with water and they were trapped and might drown wasn't exciting. 

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