Jor-El vs. Zod in Man of Steel Comments -


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Beardeer 10/20/2011 1:31:12 PM

Crowe's fighting ability in real life (pubs of the world) has proven lack-lustre, but onscrean, he wins fights even when he loses them!

Wiseguy 10/20/2011 1:49:19 PM

Hiring Russel Crow to play a pure scientist is like hiring Clint Eastwood to be an accountant.

I guess someone missed A Beautiful Mind where Russell does just that and to critical acclaim to boot.

wallyrus 10/20/2011 1:53:45 PM

 You KNOW Jor-El gets defeated in that fight but the fuzzy-grey area comes in when Jor-El launches Kal-El to Earth, ultimately growing up and defeating Zod once and for all.

wish 10/20/2011 4:12:44 PM

I guess someone can't see the difference between what kind of film "A beautiful Mind" is vs. "The Man of Steel"

And I ask again, does that suit he's wearing look like a lab coat?  I'm sure if they wanted a Jor-El character that was more scientist than warrior then they wouldn't have hired Russel Crowe, but this is Zack Snyder and there is no doubt in my mind that he got Crowe to be the badass he's known to be, not the delusional math freak that he once portrayed.  All I'm saying is don't be so quick to judge the kind of character he's gonna be, the reality is that none of us know what kind of film Zack has brewing but it's likely to be worlds different than the Donner version from 30 years ago.  I say Jor-El kicks the shit out of Zod and humiliates him so bad that he's willing to destroy entire planets to exact his revenge.

InnerSanctum 10/20/2011 5:06:48 PM

  EXCLUSIVE:  I found a copy of the script with the battle between Zor-El and Zod.

Scene:  Jor-El paces around in his hotel room in an angry manner.  

Enter Zod.

Zod:  I'm sorry sir, but we can't get you oysters on the menu.  They are out of season.

Jor-El goes into a fit of rage and throws thehotel phone at Zod (Later in the script Zod's lawyer sues Jor-El for physical abuse and emotional trama.)

Christian Bale makes an appearance and berates Zod for 30 minutes for entering the scene too early.  To top it off an inibriated Mel Gibson stumbles up behind Bale and calls Zod a "#$%! Kryptonian!"   

Epic battle.  End scene.  


Wiseguy 10/20/2011 5:20:45 PM

wish dude you basically were saying that Russell couldn't play a scientist and he has. People forget that regardless of the a-hole Crowe may have become the cat is/was one of the best actors out there with incredible range. So saying that he wouldn't be cast a scientist is just, with all due respect, dumb IMHO. Doesn't matter what the difference is between A Beautiful Mind and Superman.

And let me add that comparing him to Clint Eastwood who I love is again with all due respect, dumb, IMHO. Clint made his career playing 1 basic sort of guy, that was his bread and butter.

Btw Jor-El wasn't a scientist just for the Donner film, that's who he is/was in the comic books ever since he was introduced. So I doubt that they'll stray from that much if at all. And as far as the garb goes, that looks more ceremonial to me and even if not who says scientists have to wear a white lab coat at all times

LOL Sanctum, maybe they'll use that for the movie spoof I'm sure will follow



wish 10/20/2011 7:03:33 PM

  I didn't say he couldn't play a scientist, I merely implied that it was unlikely he'd be hired by Zack Snyder to play a pure scientist in a superman film, in a Ron Howard film it's a different story.  I agree with you about Crowe being one of the best around and he has long been a favorite of mine, I'd even go so far as to say he's so good, I'd watch him do math!  I didn't compare him to Clint Eastwood, I used Eastwood as a humourous analogy, attempted humour anyway.......but if we are going to point out dumb things about eachother, I think it's dumb to assume a general is a better fighter than a scientist, since when do generals fight?  They plan and play games, soldiers fight.  You think that costume looks ceremonial?  I say it looks pretty armoured to be worn to the office, maybe Zack's Jor-El is an asskicker for a change, and maybe that's why he got Crowe.......that's all I'm saying!

I also love Clint Eastwood, and it's always been my opinion that you and I share a lot of common interests when it comes to this site and entertainment in general so maybe an agreement to disagree with our speculations until this film hits the screens, would be the WISE thing to do eh?

we even agree on InnerSanctum's well crafted pitch!


Wiseguy 10/20/2011 7:15:23 PM

Maybe you're right about the direction things are going wish. It's all speculation right now anyway.

But assuming a general can beat up a scientist is a pretty safe assumption. A general has to work his way up the ranks meaning that at 1 time he was a lowly 2nd lieutenant and earning his bars not to mention his training. Of course that is going by stereotypical bookworm scientist, maybe Jor-El liked to hit the gym and take up some Krytonian martial arts lessons on the side

Btw, I meant no offense with my wordings

OmegaDean 10/20/2011 9:36:00 PM

Real simple, they battle... Zod should wipe the floor with Jor El... then Jor El place his hold card phatom zone projector.  Fight over Jor El wins sort of


DaForce1 10/21/2011 5:20:58 AM

 Read "The Last Days of Krypton" by Kevin Anderson. It fleshes out the whole Zod/Jor-El thing a bit better than it should have given Anderson's questionable writing. Especially for all of you thinking how a scientist could defeat a military dude. It's not as black and white as that.

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